LLMs one shotted zoomers…a cs degree is as good as a philosophy degree now
>>106913058>flood market with cs students>"no guys its totally the AI please our datacentre is hungry please buy a chatgpt subscription please man just two more weeks"
>>106913058ngl two semesters to go and I still don't properly know git
>>106913058>a cs degree is as good as a philosophy degree nowin both degrees getting a decent job highly depends on practical experience you get during college, i.e. internships and networking. I wouldn't shit on philosophy that easily because I've seen graduates get into well paying consultant positions or government jobs. Obviously if you sit on your ass doing the bare minimum in both fields then your grades won't even matter because u dont have shit to show to the employer. A philosophyfag with something to show on his CV is more valuable on the job market than a cs with no experience. Use your college time to get 100% all of the doors open that are available. You may have to do a lot of research and contact people on linkedin, but it's more important than the degree itself. I've learned this lesson too late as somebody who dabbled in both. Don't be a retard like me.
>>106913112This sounds retarded but i was in the same boat and switching to linux gave me a better view on how git works…
>>106913112Spend 5 minutes or so in between your next 2 classes and you'll be good to go.
i think zoomers legitimately struggle to grasp that they're supposed to do things on their own.
>>106913058I don't understand what CS students learn
>>106913405A bunch of shit about time complexity; then, they wet fart full stack js slop or spend 5 years doing SELECT * FROM gay_people;
>>106913112I spent half an hour to learn the basics before my first job and I was fine. Nobody is expecting anything fancy from a junior. As long as you can create pull requests and resolve conflicts you're good.
>growing up saw all these people making $200k+ with just a bachelors or sometimes even dropouts>finally graduate with a cs degree>I'm only making $90kjust die in my sleep already
>>106913405they buy thinkpads and tell everyone they're studying cs
>>1069131123 years in my work and i dont use the cli at all i just use vstudio ui i dont give a shit
>>106913069this. i was working in gaming in 2013. obama wanted to pack schools with cs students. im like thats going to flood the market. a decade later. i was proven right.
>>106914040nopethere weren't / aren't enough cs grads in America, that's why we need to bring in highly skilled tech geniuses from Indiaif you want to compete try working for less?
>>106913058That's how it's been forever... CS was the useless 'science of computers' degree, Software Engineering was the one where you learn how to actually do things.
>>106913058Is this what they actually believe in India?Still?
>>106914993>_____ scienceBullshit job 100% of the time, always has been, always will be.>_____ engineeringHas a good chance of being a real job, but the title is becoming increasingly diluted.
>>106913069>have mature products>need an excuse to fire a shitload of low end developer codemonkeys who aren't needed anymore without looking like your company is shrinking>"bro magic beans AI is totally 10xing our productivity on our product that doesnt need more than occasional patches anymore"
>>106913058At least getting my philosophy degree was fun.
>>106913112That's pretty normal:https://missing.csail.mit.edu/
>>106913058>a cs degree is as good as a philosophy degree now>nowAlways has been.The thing about software development and coding is that you don't need any sort of certification/license/ to practice the profession. It's not like medicine that you need a license and years of formal training.It's not like law that you need to pass the bar exam. It's not like high end engineering fields like medical in which you need to be a ISO/IEC/IEEE certified expert.It's not like traditional engineering fields like civil, mechanical or electrical that you need a license either.You just need to read books, documentation and practice.Literally anyone that graduated elementary school and with a computer can do it. And just like art, experience and portfolio matters a lot more than a worthless degree. CS degree is and always has been a fucking scam.
>>106914993SE in university is a complete joke because in 99% of the cases it's ran by people who have no clue what is actually going on in the industry and if you're lucky you're going to study shit that's only 10 years behind. Or if not, you're going to have UML charts shoved down your throat for a whole semester. At least CS gives you a good foundation for the basic math and other core concepts in computing and will never really be obsolete.
>>106914993>science of computersI thought it wasn't about computers and wasn't a science either, but rather just metrics, heuristics, and some theory about computing and theoretical tape readers.>>106915070>>_____ engineeringYOU *slap* AINT *slap* AN *slap* ENGINEER *slap* UNLESS *slap* YOU *slap* WORKIN * slap* ON *slap* ENGINES
>>106915494>CS degree is and always has been a fucking scam.Speak for yourself. I got my money's worth tenfold. By your retarded logic people shouldn't study math in university either because anyone with a pen and a notebook can do it at home.
>>106913058More like LLMs made pretty much all formal education obsolete. Whats the point of teachers and professors anymore when any topic can be instantly explained to you in a manner you can understand with all the time and patience in the world?
>>106913405CS senior atm, I’ll break it down:Year 1: Learned a 2 week code camp’s worth of info, but actually valuable stuff. Data types, data structures, coding structure, basically code monkey shit.Year 2: Basics of how a computer works on a lower level; assembly language, digital logic, big O comparisons, queues, stacks, etc. Also some computer ethics.Year 3: Software Engineering (coding with corpo standards of organization), OOP, more on how a computer organizes memory. Elected to learn about classic machine learning.Year 4: Network security (elective), more software slog bullshit, almost every class is group projects and PowerPoints and ChatGPT prompted deliverables now.All in all it’s not terrible in hindsight, but the things that would really matter and set you apart from a codecamper like memory efficiency and how a compiler works isn’t pushed hard enough, students here only know enough to nod and say “yeah I’ve heard of that.” Now as a senior almost everything I learn from is just setting personal goals on projects, solving problems in the robotics club, tutoring other students, doing work-studies, and fucking around with shit on my own. Classes themselves don’t really do anything anymore and my time is better spent elsewhere.
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>>106915579>you cant study math at home with pen and paper reeeeeYou are the retarded one. Uni is almost always useless for math, unless you plan for an academic career. Profs just give you assignments from text books, everything else you can ask online and be better for it.
>>106913112My university has a git class for one of the semesters (and an Hg class for the semester after). It taught me the basics, but I didn't truly learn to use it until I used it for a personal project.
>>106915660Very similar to how it was for me.>how a compiler works isn’t pushed hard enoughWe actually had a course where we wrote a compiler in groups of 2 or 3. Shit almost got me expelled for underperforming.
>>106913112that's finea CS degree is not supposed to be job trainingby all rights you shouldn't "have" to know all of this shit before going into your first job.yeah it's nice if you do, and considering how apocalyptic the job market is you probably shouldbut you should never consider not knowing job stuff to be an intellectual failurefocus on algorithms.If you have endless free time, I recommend diving into a popular open source project you like and try to reverse engineer the explicit requirements, implied requirements and other decisions that led them to the design they came up with.Get into their heads. Don't be afraid to dive into unfamiliar code.
>>106913058What are you talking about re "a philosophy degree"? You mean a BA?CS mooks work for BA holders.
>>106915912i work for PhDs
>>106914978American CS wages were not realistic though. Tech companies had 0 % interesr loans and free billions from investment and they uses that to inflate wages and hire too many people as part of their growth strategies.Now that all of that is gone CS wages will normalize and they will be similar to European CS wages, which are more realistic.The new bubble right now is AI. Those billion dollar wages are unsustainable.
