>>106922688
linux with training wheels for win10 refugees.

people are fucking sick of windows and bazzite promises it'll play games easily

>>106922730
Literally install any distro and install steam on it. Bazzite does nothing special

>>106922688
Replicates OS on Steam Deck.

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>>106922748
>Literally install any distro and install steam on it

That's too hard
I'm not kidding

>>106922728
If the alternative is them moving to Windows 11 for the next 5-10 years, this is good enough for me.

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>>106922767
this will always be funny

>>106922688
>LBBQ mascot
aaaand dropped... il'l stick with shitdows before even concidering troonux

>>106922767
>>106922782
>uninstalling the display server itself

He had no idea what he was doing.

>>106922688
You're behind the times, now CachyOS is the new OS being pushed by gaymers.

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>>106922782
it reminds me of when I used to work desktop support and people would ask you the dumbest fucking questions instead of just reading what it said on the screen.
"""""""tech reviewer""""""""""

>>106922688
Good gayming appliance distro.

>>106922798
That's what distros like Bazzite are for, people who have no idea what they're doing and will fuck everything up if given the opportunity. It's for people who only use their PC to play Steam games and can't be bothered to learn anything else.

i started with bazzite, but i've upgraded to omarchy now. my hyprland is gorgeous now.

>>106922730
What does Bazzit do that Mint or Fedora can't?

>>106923006
stop retards from breaking it by being immutable

>>106922688
Makes Linux safe and closed. Just like Winblows users like it.

>>106922767
>go to steam website
>download steam
>install it
there
>b-b-buh muh ragebait youtuber
not real

>>106923090

nah i'll stick to bazzite

but thx x

>>106923097
Sure, and what about in six months when the devs get bored and move on?

>>106922688
Should be Nobara

>>106923151
Maybe Windows will be good by then

>>106923220
And maybe pigs will sprout wings

>>106922688
Nobara > Cachy> Bazzite
Prove me wrong. Protip: you can't

>>106922767
Normans were a mistake

Immutable distros are incredibly gay

>>106923451
What about Charizard?

>>106922811
I'm pretty sure I was that dumb when I started but working with students is so weird. They need your help to set up anything but your help is literally just sitting there and reading the README out loud to them one step at a time or reading the error message
>could not find a package named foo
>Do you have foo installed?
>No
>Ok maybe install foo

>>106922688
Normie's can't break it
Just works
Fedora silverblue is goated

>>106922688
>pushed
Never heard of it in my life. More likely you are a paid shill pushing your shitty product.

>>106922688
>>106922730
>>106922767
>>106922827
>>106923097
Buy an ad, faggot.

Is it easy to add gamescope to another distro.like Ubuntu?

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>>106922767
How did this even happen? I have been using Pop!_OS with zero such problems.

>>106922688
Literal OS for faggots and trannies

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>>106922748
>install steam on it.
ain't even gotta do that anymore. there are steam appimages. truly nothing now can fuck up a gentoo install

>>106922688
>Bazzite
fedora trannies are attempting to down arch, again

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>>106922688
community Fedora Silverblue/Kinote variant with some of the retardation removed (no codecs and having to install RPM-Fusion vs preinstalled, having an official Fedora Flatpak repo full of outdated apps in addition to having to activate Flathub vs just using Flathub by default) and with gayming drivers and apps preinstalled.

It's the Linux Mint of Atomic Fedora instead of ubanto. It's actually pretty good.

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>BAZZite

>>106922688
does it run koikatsu party and pirated games like nosteam??

>>106922748
>and install steam on it
>(((steam)))
no thank you glownigger

>>106925469
iirc pop_os pushed a broken package or something and that broke everything else

>>106925742
For that you have Lutris literally.

>>106925786
isnt lutris just premade install scripts?
do they actually have scripts for pirated games?

>>106925786
I've seen /v/irgins in Linux threads saying to avoid Lutris and use Bottles instead, any reason for that?

>>106925794
Yes. You can install from executable or if you have zipped game then download installer.

>>106925797
>>106925826
interdasting fren

>>106922688
>Bazzite is designed for Linux newcomers and enthusiasts alike with Steam pre-installed, HDR & VRR support, improved CPU schedulers for responsive gameplay, and numerous community-developed tools and tweaks to streamline your gaming and streaming experience.

>Own games outside of Steam? Lutris (Pre-installed) and other launchers can not only run games from most game stores, but cleanly integrate them into Steam Gaming Mode, including: Xbox Game Pass (via battle.net), EA App, Epic Games Store, GOG.com, itch.io, Rockstar Games Launcher, Ubisoft Connect, your dad's old CDs, and more!

>Bazzite is image based meaning that after every update the previous version of the operating system is retained on your machine. Should an update cause any issues, you can select the previous image at boot time.

>Images of the operating system are retained in our repositories for ninety days and can be switched to via the terminal. Nvidia driver update broke something you needed? No worries, rebase to the last known good release and pin it so that it's retained as long as needed.

Beause this. It's a windowsfied linux which is what gamers want: windows

>>106922688
https://youtu.be/5O6tQYJSEMw
Tech tubers shilling

>>106923466
They are unironically future of linux because normies wants that and if you are making a distro you probably want people to use it so you will follow trends to appeal the wide normie audience and that requires an immutable distro and lots, lots, of gaming support

>>106925888
yeah i installed bazzite because the level1tech guy said so
didnt like it because nothing worked(which was probably because i tried launching games from my ntfs partition)
switched to cachy and now im happy

>>106925953
>(which was probably because i tried launching games from my ntfs partition)
Did you bother reading the docs? I am quite sure they do say ntfs bad

>>106925964
>Did you bother reading the docs
lol no
i read the cachy docs after i swapped tho

>>106925964
Different guy here, do they expect you to reformat and lose everything in the crossover then? That's absurd.

>>106925990
Backup your pirated games torrents and anime titties on an external drive like you should always do
It should not be a deal breaker, even for windows when doing a fresh install it's better to have the supposed OS drive nuked first

>>106925990
NTFS is not recommended for Linux. You should get another drive, format it to btrfs or ext4, copy your data to it, format the original drive, move data back if you want

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Because the left is crazy for troons and the amount of /g/entroonsmen are increasing. They even target children.

>>106926048
What is worse? Techtubers shills or /pol/schizotubers?

>>106922688
I want a Steam Deck experience that isnt exclusive to supported handhelds.
If Valve made its' OS work on anything, then we wouldn't need Bazzite anymore.

>>106926064
Troons that WNBAW are the worst.
YWNBAW!

Holy fucking shit came back to linux after 5 years and GNOME is absolute hot fucking garbage. Switched to Cinnamon ASAP. How the fuck do you expect people to just install linux and present them with a desktop with no control and everything hidden with apps obscured away.

Are linux users becoming more retarded over the years or is being a regular user now being a purist?

>>106922688
Distro for retarded gamers
https://youtu.be/fqIjUddUSo0
Tl;dw:
>for Nvdia user best performance
CachyOS
>con
Not 100% retardedproof
>best overall (retardproof+performance)
Nobara
>con
You might manage to break something but still very retardproof distro and you need to do some google when setting first time but not hard, not as good as CachyOS for Nvdia
>110% retardproof
Bazzite
>con
Worst performance between Cachy and Nobara.
Pretty much AMD exclusive distro, "convoluted installation" for Nvdia, Nobara just works better for both Nvdia and AMD

>>106926152
No, it's just Gnome. It's bafflingly dumb. Plenty of perfectly good desktop alternatives out there.

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>>106926225
I wish this guy would do 2160p because that's all I game at with my 4090. So these benchmarks are basically useless to me.

>>106925469
>Did not update package manager prior to installing the Steam package, which is a standard practice
>Steam package has broken dependencies on the install iso
>Package manager sees the mismatch of what the package wants and what is installed and thinks that it should start uninstalling packages
>Package manager states that this would be pretty stupid and asks for confirmation
>Confirmation is given
>Starts a dependency cascade of uninstalling packages until it removes the entire DE
>>106926152
GNOME just isn't good and it's generally just corporate pushing that leaves it as the default DE.
>>106926225
Arch seems like it might be more retardproof overall if you intend on actually making use of your distro and you can add the CachyOS repos to it if you want.
Even with the Arch derivative CachyOS, you run into the issue of edge cases like CachyOS not being intended for VM use.

>>106926232
Gnome is the attempt by IBM & Microsoft to stop potential switchers to Linux

>>106925469
There was like a 6 hour window where Pop had a broken package and Linus had to just happen to stumble on it.
The timing is insane.

>>106922688
Fedora, now with bloat you cannot choose.

>>106928176
it's not bloat if you get a distro for gaming and comes with gaming utility preinstalled for normies
It's the entire whole premise of the distro

>>106922688
Probably because it has more hardware support for random handhelds than SteamOS and isn't as horrifically unstable as Cachy. I personally run Cachy on my gaming computer and my Ally, and it's superior, but goddamn does Cachy break all the fucking time. Also, hipsters who want to be able to say "I run Bazzite on my Deck" without having to deal with actually running an objectively better distro since the only other real option is Cachy, and again, it's a pain in the ass.
>>106922748
I thought Bazzite was primarily used for handhelds because of the handheld-like experience it offers, which is a huge pain the ass to set up manually on other distros if it works at all.
>>106923451
Cachy should (in theory; I've never used Nobara or run benchmarks) be better-optimized than Nobara, but I also bet Nobara is actually stable.

BAZZINGA!

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MOSSAD IS TRYING TO SABOTAGE THE LINUX DESKTOP
DO NOT FALL FOR THE SHILLING
SAVE YOUR LOVED ONES FROM THE JEWISH GRASP
Live free or die.

>>106928760
The Freemasons and the Irish Gardai are behind snap.

>>106922748
Not quite true desu, it also comes with a bunch of extra drivers for various controllers and gaming related peripherals, pre-configured to run Steam big picture mode on boot, and some kernel tweaks to improves gaming performance. As with any other distro, it's nothing that you couldn't do manually starting from something like uCore or Fedora Silverblue, but the whole point is having all of this set up for you out of the box.

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Linuxfags tell me if this is possible because it wasn't last time I try to use your dogshit OS.
I have two displays, one needs scaling the other one does not. Last time I tried you could either scale both or neither and that doesn't work for me. So can linux do something I could do in windows 8 *checks notes* 13 years ago?

>>106928308
Cachy is the fastest for the gaming and not even close but Nobara is also on paper more stable and baby first distro.
Both are better than Bazzite but Bazzite immutable nature makes it better for synthetic benchmark and the pure retardproof experience while being very slightly worse than Nobara

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>>106922767
to be fair linux is full of these "this could be dangerous are you sure" things
just opening a terminal screams danger
entering sudo su is also dangerous
and you need to do this to do ANYTHING on the system
even installing an app like edge or steam needs you to "hack into the system"
the terminal shows a bunch of gibberish that you have to study years to even get close to understanding what it all is and at the end it asks "you wanna do this?" YES I WANT TO DO THAT I WANT TO INSTALL STEAM
I'm a /g/entooman too but I'm absolutely standing with linus on this one, he did nothing wrong there

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>>106928847
>even installing an app like edge or steam needs you to "hack into the system"
the terminal shows a bunch of gibberish that you have to study years to even get close to understanding what it all is and at the end it asks "you wanna do this?" YES I WANT TO DO THAT I WANT TO INSTALL STEAM
The whole point of Bazzite and Nobara is that you don't have to do ANY of that.
You have a fucking LITERAL APPSTORE on Fedora
>search software
>click
>installed

>>106928847
>type "sudo su"
>close terminal immediately and turn off computer
>noise from the other room
>"Help! Dad!"
>A man has broken into my house and is raping my daughter
>I hit him over the head with the fire extinguisher so hard it bursts
>"Thanks, Dad. Hey, what's that smell?"
>I turn around and the house is suddenly on fire
>Jump out window, too late to save my daughter
>Go to hospital for treatment of smoke inhalation and broken legs
>Tests reveal I now have AIDS, hepatits C, and breast cancer
The command line is too dangerous.

>>106925953
>because i tried launching games from my ntfs partition)
LMAO WHAT THE FUCK??? zoomers really trying to do this??HAHAHAHA fucking hell

>>106928973
Why wouldn't this work? You can actually use NTFS as the root partition on Arch or Gentoo if you really, really want to. Serious question; I have no idea.

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>>106928980

kinda disappointed that linux has no piracy support or community; some repacks or cracks just refuse to work with wine.

I use Bazzite, because it's based off SteamOS which was made by a billion dollar profit-focused company and not a bunch of pedophilic 'muh use case' freetards.

>>106928986
You can enable Unix permissions on NTFS and you can indeed use it as the root partition. I store all my games on an ext4 partition like a normal person, which is why I don't know why games won't work on it. I'm aware that some games have problems with XFS. If you don't know, you can just say that.
>>106928993
If you see pirated software tagged with "works with Linux/Wine" or "especially for Steam Deck" on a torrent site, I feel like there's a good chance that means there's malware designed to infect a Linux computer specifically. Which is why I never download those.
Most repacks and cracks work fine for me provided I'm using Proton and not Wine, but some do require extra configuration. Only one game in recent memory I've had issues with, but Windows users were also complaining, so it probably doesn't mean anything.

>>106922688
wtf is the go with linux distro naming, id be embarrest to say i was using my laptop with an os call "bazzite".
I use a properly named distro called PC Linux OS on my laptop and FreeBSD on my desktop.

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>>106929023
>You can enable Unix permissions on NTFS and you can indeed use it as the root partition.
>If you don't know, you can just say that.
you are a real retard.

>>106929059
You can absolutely do this.
You're the retard.
https://github.com/CyanoHao/NTFS-as-rootfs

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>>106929070
lmao manjaro on ntfs
>You can absolutely do this.
i didn't say you couldnt. lol

>>106929059
theres a youtube vid of some guy i watched trying and failing to use ntfs on a gentoo install, cant remember the name it was over a year ago. It was funny shit though and the youtuber knew it wouldnt work but did it anyway to prove a point

>>106929078
You pretty strongly implied it.
>>106929059
Now you're just backtracking so you don't look like a fag.

>>106929079
By all accounts, it doesn't work very well at all, but it apparently does work. You might need to compile packages on a different partition and rsync it after the fact or something, though. I've never tried.

>>106929079
this is it. Immolo is the name
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdtLi8Rahnk

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>>106929089
you should just go back to windows

>>106929121
it doesnt work at all.
it can be done though.

>>106929137
How exactly did he fail? It looks like he managed to get it working. (I just fast-forwarded to the end.)
>>106929146
You should go back to being silent. You mocked me for being right about something and looked stupid afterwards when it turns out you were wrong, and now you're trying to save face by posing old movie GIFs like the boomer you are. The end.

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>>106922688
It's fine if you want to quickly get a a living room pc set up. I don't use it for anything serious.

>>106929171
lmao ok pajeet calm down

>>106929205
No, I won't calm down. You were wrong about something on the internet. I'll fucking kill you. Also, I'm whiter than you.

>>106929171
>How exactly did he fail? It looks like he managed to get it working. (I just fast-forwarded to the end.)
there was another one he did where it didnt work.
anyhow using a vm is not conclusive.

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>>106929224
>You were wrong about something on the internet

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rog xbox ally runs faster with bazzite than windows 11 it ships with. its sad honestly for microsoft a trillion dollar company

>>106929023
pirated games or repacks or just anything not steam is no issue anymore since Lutris/Bottles

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>>106922688
>'ate Windows
>'ate Bill Gates
>'ate spying nonces
>luv me Bazzite
>simple as

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>>106929224
>Also, I'm whiter than you

>>106929270
>>106929765
You're gay.
There, you got your little response.

>>106922798
Well yes. He's Linus TorTips. The creator of Linux.

>>106928847
>he did nothing wrong there
Except not read the fucking warning it was giving him, sure.

Part of it was POP (they admitted they fucked up) but a lot of the fuck up was on Linus being a Windowsfag and going "YES, I AM THE ADMIN! I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING! LET ME NUKE MY DISPLAY SERVER TO INSTALL STEAM!" and then having it nuke the display server like it fucking warned.

If he wasn't such an ADHD retard, he could've spent two minutes reading the fucking warning and then looking up what it was warning about.

The ABSOLUTE STATE of Windows SysAdmins.

>>106922688
Just IBM/Redhat trying to pull everyone back into their fold. They intend to control the entire "linux ecosystem" and make it their own proprietary domain.

>>106929871
FUUUU-SIOOOON-HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

>>106929897
Pretty sure Mossad, the Freemasons, and the Black Pope are in on it, too.

>>106930058
>Pretty sure (((Mossad))), the (((Freemasons))), and the (((Black Pope))) are in on it, too.
This, but unironically.

>>106922798
he knew exactly what he was doing, he broke it for content
and it's still getting him attention

>>106922688
i plan to setup my own steam console for tv.
what would be the point in using bazzite vs arch+steam?

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I work in a factory, steel and shit business, same kind of place of all these chinese liveleaks and i get to use my PC monday to friday an amazing grand total of ~4 hours/day.
I am on windows and i am not planning leaving anytime soon because it just works and i don't have the time to trooning around my fucking OS to play some fucking video game
If i move to linux it will, no has to, be a distro that literally has to not make me open a terminal unless ultimately necessary and just works my video games on a simple fucking click of an icon
So i am getting the appeal of something like Bazzite because it seems to be made for someone like ME

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why is bazzite the only distro that let me do alt tab without crashing the whole desktop?
what does it do?
my current computer is nvidia (3090 i use it to generate the most cute hebes)

>>106931490
Bazzite is immutable so out of box you did nothing.
Other distro you fucked up something that bricked your desktop

>>106931750
no, even in vanilla ones when i'm playing a videogame and i press alt tab, it freezes my desktop and don't come back, if i keep pressing alt tab multiple times, it comes back some times.

>people cry about needing just werks distro
>give people distro that is more just werks than macos
>give people distro that is impossible to break
>give people distro that has access to every other distros packages
>/g/ screams around

>>106931490
Bazzite is Silverblue. It is setup to be just works and you cant fuck up configuration. In 99% of cases (and 100% in case of /g/ users) the user is at fault.

>>106930456
>tfw you realize that bazzite makes macos and especially windows "just works" look like a vietnamese sweat shop worker collapsing every minute

>>106922730
>bazzite promises it'll play games easily
any distro can play games for more than a decade and a half. there is no reddit "promise", you just learn to use wine which isn't a difficult program and has a thousand GUIs to make this easy. the only games that don't work are legit spyware like league.

>>106931991
>you just learn
no

>>106922688
Because it's the most
>"just works"
>"doesn't brick itself after updating"
>"doesn't require maintenance"
distro that exists at the moment. It's similar to why Ubuntu was pushed to beginners before 2012 and why Mint was pushed to beginners before 2022. Bazzite, Aurora and Bluefin are just the new ideal distros for non-technical people.

>>106923006
Fedora:
>Doesn't come with proprietary drivers or codecs.
>Has less pre-installed software which normies want.
>Doesn't keep itself up to date with the latest version of mesa (Bazzite actually does).
Mint:
>Packages outdated as fuck for most of it's lifespan (inconvenient to use 6-12 months after the major point release).
>Latest drivers and mesa are not included by default and require dicking around the settings and adding 3rd party repos.
>Choice of desktop environments that are shit and non-standard compared to KDE and GNOME.
Both:
>Not atomic (stable update system, no maintenance related to system updates)
>Not immutable (you need to jump through an extra hoop to brick your OS and any change you make is easy to revert)

>>106926225
>>106928837
>Cachy is the fastest for the gaming and not even close
>Bazzite... Worst performance between Cachy and Nobara.
According to almost all benchmarks I've seen all 3 perform pretty much the same with maybe 1-2% difference. From the last benchmarks I've seen each distro seems to outperform in a subset of games while underperforming in a different subset of games. When you average things out there isn't any real difference between these three.
It's just that CachyOS is targeting a tech savvy audience who don't mind tinkering or prefer tinkering, while Bazzite is targeting a general audience who just want the OS to stay out of the way of their game/app usage. Bazzite is something you could pre-install on laptops and desktops for normies to use, while CachyOS is more for people who want to manually configure shit.

>>106926795
>GNOME just isn't good
That's what i was thinking until i was forced to use it for a while.
Now i just use it as my main DE everywhere.

>>106928961
the man is spitting fax

>>106922728
training wheels that make it impossible to update or install anything xd

>>106926048
They infiltrate every space.
I wonder how much time until Fedora becomes Transdora, or Ubuntu becomes Troobuntu.

>>106931903
>people cry about needing just werks distro
>people cry about Bazzite existing
These are two entirely different groups of people.

>>106932632
This. I'm using Bluefin right now and GNOME is actually surprisingly good. Obviously it's still unusable without extensions, but with a handful of extensions it's a pretty nice DE. I would still use KDE everywhere but I don't dislike GNOME as much as I did and I don't mind my work machine being on GNOME.

>>106932694
>Bazzite haters are successfully spreading misinformation and tricking idiots into parroting the same misinformation
Sure anon. It's completely impossible to install or even update anything on Bazzite. In fact you can't even install Bazzite, you have to buy a Steam Deck to get the OS. And you have to pay a monthly subscription to use it.

>>106928805
This is possible on GNOME since around a year, on KDE since like 5+ years.

>>106928805
X11 is an ancient display protocol which didn't support this because it was never intended for multiple displays. It would just join all monitors into a single display surface which had to use the same refresh rate and scaling across all monitors. The relevant desktop environments have moved to Wayland.

>>106922767
>>106922782
>bazzite thread
>posts bullshit from other amateur distro from a few years ago

>>106932785
you can with integer scaling factors via xrandr. it's just fractional scaling that doesn't work.

>>106932857
Yeah so? Read the thread you fucking retard it demonstrates why people are picking Bazzite and not other distros. Moron.

>>106922688
Mint is garbage and normalfags need a distro to migrate to.

>>106933136
this is pretty much it

For me it's raw debian with KDE.

>>106932912
Seethe.

>>106922688
It just works.

>>106926152
have you tried hitting the super key

>>106933762
baww more retard

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>>106932738

>>106922688
I mean I keep getting Omarchy shilled at me right now

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>>106934338
Still seething?

>>106922688
The mascot is a troon, no thanks.

>>106926048
that explains it, thanks
fuck this jew tho

bazzite it's a problem because it can potentially act as a trojan horse for normie infiltration
Gatekeep people, always gatekeep

>>106929849
lol you are gay and don't even understand why I am laughing at using fucking ntfs on a linux system. its retarded.

there's nothing wrong with ntfs

>>106925794
Lutris is a frontend for wine, proton, basically all the things that make windows stuff work on linux.
It’s less a script and more like a windows emulator/translator.

>>106922688
It's not a bad OS. I prefer Mint but Bazzite is ok

>>106934937
Bauxite is already blocking because you need AyyMD to work right.

>>106935805
You can make it work on nvdia with a simple command line they have in their installation page on their website

should i use gnome or kde on bazzite?

>>106936064
Gnome, kde just crashes

>>106935545
No. My first post said "if you really, really want to", implying that I know damn well nobody would want to, and yours implied that you were laughing at the idea that POSIX permissions could be used with NTFS on Linux. Anyone who can read will know that. You can't save face here. Fuck you. I hope you die.

>>106935805
>you need AyyMD to work right

sudo rpm-ostree rebase ostree-unverified-registry:ghcr.io/ublue-os/bazzite-nvidia-open:stable

huh?

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>>106936125
lol what are you talking about? what you are doing is fucking stupid. No one denied you could use ntfs on linux. ah shit what am i doing.

>>106922688
I want bazzite but I want to play MS Flight Simulator

>>106936064
KDE if you like normal desktop interfaces. GNOME if you like smartphone interfaces.

>>106935805
It works fine on nVidia. It's just that some features are unsupported, like Waydroid, etc. But this is true for every single Linux distro. nVidia just sucks in general.

>>106934466
Kekked

>>106934466
>troon mascot
Bazed

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btrfs or ext4?

>>106936698
btrfs if you want storage efficiency, snapshots and protection from bit rot.
ext4 if you want faster read/write speeds and you don't care about CoW, built-in backups and corruption.

I got interested in linux but i am getting confused about having 2 ssd+ 1 hhd and telling linux to recognize all 3 of them and having ny games all installed on the bigger 4TB secondary nvme (my other 1TB nvme right now is used for Windpoop11 + general software)
Like by default lutris won't see that 4TB ssd if i put linux on the 1TB drive, though i don't really need the 1TB anymore either but i need the 8TB hdd i store on all my downloads and media

>>106936698
Ext4 if you game on it
Btrfs for sensible data and system snapshot

>>106937154
If you installed Lutris as a flatpak you need to use your system settings (or Flatseal) to give it the permission to access your other drives.

CachyOS is not perfect but it's less of a headache.

As an nvidia user I found CachyOS to be better, btw.
What kills me is that I do have to use GNOME. KDE Plasma has given me enough grief and pain for the last few months in regards to my current display.

>>106937948
Why?

>>106937992
A more detailed explanation:
I have a decent setup, and I like having both access to working HDR, VRR, and proper scaling, these brand new technologies never conceived until 2 months ago apparently.
HDR is a Wayland exclusive and it doesn't seem like that will change in the future. So I switched to Plasma on Wayland. Fractional scaling fucks my fonts up. I get constant desktop artifacts for no good reason, and if I set my display to a high refresh rate enough it starts doing weird shit as long as VRR is enabled. Tried many things, proprietary and open drivers, different distros, all sorts of shit, random environment variables that Plasma considers legacy, all sorts of crap. I am just about done with that.
So I thought "well maybe I can just switch to Plasma on Wayland -only- for HDR content". But I switch to the X11 session and I get desktop artifacts again.
I don't want those compromises, so I tried this approach of X11 desktop + gamescope-session to have something like Bazzite/Chimera. But VRR ain't working on that SteamOS interface either and it seems a bit silly.
I tested out GNOME on Wayland and everything works as it should to an extent.

>>106937933
Two different use cases. CachyOS is for people who want to tinker with the OS (ie most early Linux adopters). Bazzite is for people who don't want to spend time configuring anything (ie most people).

>>106922748
>>106934937
>>106930417
Steam is spyware, the software for Proton doesn’t work in games most of the time. No one should be forced to make an account for a corporation that refuses to release library files for said software to work.

Steam is the opposite of what should be gaming and they aren’t going to make gaming better. Never forget that Steam client is pointless and forced. Never forget how it took Australia Supreme Court to make Valve Corporation give is refunds. Never forget they sent lawyers in German courts to hide license declaration and never make it clear to anyone about licensing. Never forget the settlement agreement on gambling lawsuit. Valve corporation is still in a patent dispute that they stole.

Stop supporting the corporate greed, they never were the good guys.

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>>106922728
As a refugee from windows who needs training wheels, I can confirm.
Fedora is fine too, but there are tiny tweaks Bazzite makes that make a big difference for comfort of usability.
>Tried Cachy, holy shit that was a nightmare
>Steam os is finevbut I have no plans to use outside of my deck
A linux distro that comes pre installed with your video codecs, graphics drivers, audio drivers and working package managers with a UI that feels similar but not EXACTLY like windows is nice.

Dont make fun of my training wheels
>>106926048
Nothings perfect. Don't care so long as the Don't pull a windows and push pride flags every june i can't turn off

>>106938268
Steam literally does support LGBTQ groups. They always have some game being promoted in your face. Why did you lie about everything in your post.

>>106938268
Ignore distro flame wars. Some people are just autistic about their distro of choice and it's usually the very opinionated autistic people that are shitting on other distros. There's nothing wrong with using Bazzite if it provides you with the best experience.
The politics of distros is usually reserved to their forums or Discord groups. For example, when using Ubuntu you're not bombarded with any politics at all. But when you're applying to work at Canonical (the company behind Ubuntu) they're literally asking about your specific shade of skin color, ethnicity, religion, gender, pronouns, etc.

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>>106938292
Lie? Wut?
Bro I just said that nothing was perfect with the weird sexualized mascot and that I don't really care about muh tranny mascot so long as it doesn't bleed into usability of the product

>>106938191
That'd be ideal if Bazzite users never, ever came across any grievances that would make them want to have the bit of freedom required to fix them.
CachyOS is tinkery, but not to any extent more than something like Nobara is. It's not trying to pretend to be a "just works" distro to the same extent.

>>106925565
And thats a good thing

>>106938268
Both Nobara and Bazzite have given me more problems than Fedora.

How does building and installing software, or doing modifications (like a custom EDID to fix issues with a monitor) work on something like Bazzite? Are you cucked to software provided through flatpaks?
Does it have btrfs with snapshots that you can boot from grub/limine?
See, when I bought a Steam Deck I had a lot of trouble installing a visual novel because I required mounting a game that was in .mds/.mdf format. I had no way of installing any proper application other than by disabling steamos-readonly and installing it this way. Thankfully I didn't need that application so on an update if anything got deleted, it wouldn't be an annoyance. But still, I see this as an Appleified distro. Like it got SIP enabled and all that crap that doesn't let you touch anything. Can you easily change this?

>>106938606
Let me give you an example:
I have a great gamepad that unfortunately, is chinese.
The only way I have to make that gamepad work correctly, is if I add an udev rule and a system boot parameter to grub/systemd-boot/limine/whatever the fuck. It's the only way because otherwise the controller goes into a weird safe mode where it sort of "works" but there's no vibration, no custom keys, it's a very standard controller that many games won't even recognize without steam input and extra bindings.

>>106922688

Basically, you download windows exe files, double click and it happens.

There maybe a few configs or codecs that need to be downloaded or changed.

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>>106922688
>troonite

>>106938491
What freedom are you missing on Bazzite?

>>106938606
>Are you cucked to software provided through flatpaks?
Not really. Aside from all universal formats (Flatpak, Appimage, Homebrew, Nix) you can also just install regular packages by doing "rpm-ostree install something". The only difference between something like rpm-ostree and dnf is that rpm-ostree is slower and requires a system reboot since it's technically creating a new system similar to how forking software works.
>doing modifications (like a custom EDID to fix issues with a monitor)
I have no idea where this is done, but anything that's in your "/etc" or "/var" can be modified. And "/usr/local", "/opt/", "/srv/", "/root/" and "/mnt/" are linked into "/var" so they're all writable. Some of these require you to use rpm-ostree to persist the changes between reboots and system updates, but it's well documented how to do this.

>>106938649
"/etc/udev/rules.d/" is writable and you can change boot params, but just like SteamOS they'll be overwritten after an update. However, unlike SteamOS, Fedora Atomic gives you full control over this with rpm-ostree as mentioned above. So you can do something like "sudo rpm-ostree kargs --append='your_parameter_here'" to persist your changes even after updates.

Is Cachy really the only option for modern gaming rigs outside of bazshite

>>106938606
>>106938491
You can install packages and drivers on immutable distros directly. In addition Silverblue distros (like Bazzite) allow you to install any other distros packages on Silverblue/Bazzite.

>>106938673
>i am a guillable retard who trusts the person who spams the most online
putin is proud

>>106922688
because they think it being an atomic distro will make it usable for normie niggercattle
spoiler alert: it still breaks and then they're even more fucked on fixing it BECAUSE it's immutable lol

>>106938708
putin unironically did nothing wrong though?

>>106938709
>immutable OS breaks
>copy home folder to USB
>reinstall OS in 5 minutes
>paste home folder from USB
>fixed
wow that was a toughie ;)

>>106938719
instead of making a separate /home directory the standard which would make that even fucking easier

>>106938755
retard

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>>106938709
Just rollback to latest stable?

>>106938709
if it breaks they just revert back to the previous version of ostree. if anything this is even easier than it is on non-immutable distros. you've literally made an argument FOR bazzite.

It's a solution looking for a problem.

Immutable distros are for braindead retards who can't into computers. Just buy a console if you're this dumb

>>106938981
it's for handheld pc consoles.

>>106938318
That’s not how software works. The machine doesn’t make you do things without your permission. What you described is a virus, not bad software like HP subscription ink.

>>106938981
Using a non-configured OS that breaks itself constantly to the point where you have to fix it yourself doesn't make you smart. If anything you're an idiot for using stuff that doesn't "just werk" and wasting your life on pointless tinkertranny distros.

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What is that gian "back to gaming mode" icon on the bazzite desktop?
What does it do? Nothing happens when i click it

>>106938810
>not having a home, a primary root, and a secondary root to try other distros on
ngmi

>>106939066
It should log you out and switch you to what's effectively steam big picture mode. It's what the Steam Deck uses by default instead of logging you into Plasma. If you're on nVidia it won't work, which is why the distro is saying nVidia is partially unsupported.

>>106922748
It's intended to be a replacement for SteamOS, if you've never used SteamOS and have no idea what it does then shut your whore mouth

>>106938853
>>106938919
I literally watched it inexplicably break on my new to linux friend's system lol Endeavour did no such things for him meanwhile

>>106939078
is your friend cute? do you hang out with a lot?

>>106939077
I don't like that it's based on Fedora, valve had the right idea basing it on Arch

>>106939085
Distro doesn't matter, only the software suite and out-of-the-box config, which is vastly different from just installing mint and Steam or whatever, as your typical Bazzite setup boots directly into gaming mode (with no desktop environment) like a steam deck or steam machine

>>106939078
I don't know what to tell you. My install still works after over a year. I'm using all 3 of their major distros (Bazzite, Aurora, Bluefin) and none of them have broken for me.

>>106939085
Why do you think so?

>>106939102
>your typical Bazzite setup boots directly into gaming mode (with no desktop environment) like a steam deck or steam machine
You have to manually pick the "Steam Gaming Mode" image for this to be true. I'm not sure if that's the most popular setup. Nobody I know uses it over the regular non-gaming mode version.

>>106938672
EDID modifications reside in /lib/firmware/edid (this last folder has to be created). Afterwards an initramfs image has to be generated to include that.

>>106939112
>Nobody I know uses it over the
I do

>>106938559
No, trannies doing anything besides going an hero (or anti hero in their case) is a bad thing.
Just die mentally ill fag
alt+s

>>106939119
Oh right. I forgot I know you mr. Anonymous.

>>106939085
>valve had the right idea basing it on Arch
Why?

>>106939187
Because i can run it and still claim "i use arch tbw"

>>106939200
Fedora is better because you can actually respond to everything with
>tips fedora
Using Arch is not really a flex now that every normie can just watch a Youtube video on how to install Arch, or just install EndeavourOS.

>>106939218
cachy vs endos, who wins?

>>106922688
I've only ever heard of it hear and people only make fun of it.

>>106939102
>upstream doesn't matter
>>106939112
Because Fedora is more or less subject to redhat and thus to retarded decisions like that time they almost threw out all 32bit library support (which would have killed your distro because it would have killed steam on all fedora systems)
>>106939187
Because Arch is community driven rather than corporate and thus valve is less subjugated to the will of other corporations and can even participate in the upstream community process; the entire reason SteamOS is a thing and half of us here are on Linux is because Valve decided to not let Microsoft enslave them

>>106939247
CachyOS is essentially a more preconfigured EOS. EOS is clean and pristine arch with just a couple of things done to make it easier to get started. Cachy is a thing between Arch and Manjaro. It's never as shitty as Manjaro, but it does a bit of heavy lifting on getting things like nvidia drivers/custom kernel tweaks/btrfs snapshots/gayming package installation a little bit simpler from the get go. Hell I'd say it's the second easiest distro I found to get btrfs snapshots to work right away without any particular setup, all you have to do is select limine as bootloader and btrfs as the filesystem and it's not a lot different from how openSUSE does it.
If you use EOS you don't even have to distrohop anyways. It's not difficult to just add the cachy repos and kernels and basically get the same thing.

the AUR is shit thoughbeit

>>106939324
You don't need the AUR to enjoy the benefits of Arch, the best of the AUR makes it to official repos...

>>106939328
>Arch is good because community and it's not a slave to some faceless corp
>uhhhh don't use the community repo just wait for the good stuff to go on the corpo repo
really makes you think...

>>106926152
Gnome went full retard and said
>Windows 8 before 8.1 was actually amazing, let's do that, but make it look like OSX, they won't be able to sue us if we do something retarded like that

>>106939318
explain btrfs snapshots

>>106939247
They're both the same. CachyOS just has their own tweaked packages which have minor performance improvements and they ship some packages sooner. EndeavourOS is just regular Arch with a GUI installer.

>>106939311
>they almost threw out all 32bit library support
It was an open discussion on suggestions when 32bit will be killed. They listened to feedback and decided they'll wait a year or two longer. Killing 32bit support is something that will eventually happen on a global level across all operating systems and Linux distros within the next 10 years. It was just a question of should support be dropped in late 2026 or a couple years later.

GNOME really does look like shit

>>106925797
I couldn't get a rip copy of silent hill 2 remake to work with bottles. In the end, it worked under Heroic.

>>106922688
Mostly this >>106922728
But he's not wrong.
It's
> Gaming centric
> Has steam os game mode for all of the handheld x86 gamers out there.
> Basically a full distro over regular steam os but maintains immutability.
> Immutability so easy roll backs (I know about btrfs snapshots)
> Large community and broad dev base so good support
> On supported hardware it's very good (I own an ally x and an Asus laptop. Both are used to smoke test builds).
But most importantly it's a good Linux experience on training wheels that's very polished. It was my first foray into Linux after not using it since 2006 when Linux was objective shit.
I went from struggling to remember Linux commands to being an intermediate user of a command line in about 4 months. I now use Linux as a daily driver alongside windows on my regular computer and of course my ally x has some flavor of Linux.
I've curiously run Bazzite longer on my desktop because it just works but I distro hop regularly on my gaming handheld. Still can't decide between Cachy OS or Bazzite. CachyOS definitely edges out Bazzite in performance but Bazzite is way more polished.
I have a soft spot for arch thanks to Cachy and a part of me enjoys the tinker toy aspect but Cachy's devs have borked their own updates a few times and while they say they support my ally x, they clearly don't do a lot of testing for some of the stuff they've pushed through their update channels.
And I say all of this as someone who also really enjoys Windows 11. I have an outlook account I sign into windows with. I own 2 windows 11 pro serials and an office 2019 serial. I coincidentally use office on the desktop pretty regularly so nice to have.
I also really like Microsoft Edge since they've snubbed Google and are maintaining manifest v2 allowing ublock to continue working.
As someone who was a huge computer guy back in the day who has moved on from IT, I really appreciate how mature and polished everything is these days.

>>106939355
Backups that don't take much space and are done instantly.
The way distros like openSUSE or CachyOS set these up by default, anything in your system (not your home folder) gets backups. Whenever you install or remove something, a backup is done. If you mess up, you can revert back to a previous state quite easily with a command.
If your system doesn't boot properly, but you can access the bootloader, you can choose one of those snapshots, boot from it in a state that's read-only (so you can't make any changes, it's just to check it works) and if you're satisfied with it, use a command to use that snapshot once you reboot. But this has to be setup fairly manually in different distros, while these two I mentioned set them up for you. So when you install let's say, GNOME alongside KDE, and you think it's bullshit and you don't like it, but you can't be bothered to check what packages GNOME installed and it's all a convoluted mess, you can just revert to the snapshot created before it got installed and there you go, all you'd need to do is delete a bunch of config files in your home folder, sometimes not even that.
>Can't I just do normal backups any other way
Yep, but not as fast, not as compressed. btrfs has a few advantages over ext4 but I think the best reason to use it is this.

>>106926110
Valve's distro would actually work on certain non handheld hardware but it's using wildly old packages and they only test it on specific hardware.
You'll get more mileage out of Bazzite or cachy

>>106939368
you are downstream of a distro and reliant on a program which has put zero effort into forcing itself on the new libraries, bazzite dies unless steam somehow gets more of a will to force onto 64 bit libraries which lol

>>106939447
thanks

>>106928308
>Cachy break all the fucking time
FML it does. I love Cachy and arch in general but the devs who maintain Cachy have an awful QC process. I have an ally x and my wife has a steamdeck. Cachy on the steamdeck is way more stable than the ally x and doesn't break which tells me that they don't smoke test the ally x as hard as the steamdeck.

>>106939417
Linux was shit when I started using it in 2015. It only improved around 2020. And Universal Blue distros are the closest thing Linux has to a usable desktop OS to the point I'd say Linux is finally objectively better than Windows and macOS.

>(K/X)ubuntu, Mint
Shit. Outdated apps. You have to do workarounds to get some basic shit done. Pretty much requires the use of a terminal. Ubuntu breaks after each major update.
>Zorin, PopOS
Ubuntu but worse.
>Debian
They only recently changed their website so that people can find the iso installer. Debian stable is something I'd ever run on a server since it has the same flaws Ubuntu does, but it's worse. And running Sid makes no sense because Arch exists.
>Fedora
Freetard distro.
>Arch, Manjaro, Cachy, Endeavour
I want an OS that doesn't randomly break or require maintenance, thanks.

>>106928993
Only repacks worth using are fitgirl. But yeah sometimes you need to use windows to run the crack unpacker and then just copy it into bottles or lutris.

>>106939501
so what are you using?

>>106939564
>Universal Blue distros

>>106922688
gamers. I don't use it but I'm glad it exists. if it gets gamers on Linux, that's great for the cause.

How well does Bazzite play ball with a laptop that has dual gpus? My laptop has optimus graphics with an nvidia chip, will that cause problems?

>>106939564
Windows 11 25H2 Home edition

>>106939078
endeavor managed to break itself immediately after installing by just doing a normal software update

>>106939594
I remember optimus being shit on Linux years ago when I first started using it. But apparently support is "fine" nowadays, even on Bazzite.
The only thing I remember is that you had to run the X11 session instead of Wayland. And since nVidia abandoned optimus I doubt the situation changed. So worst case scenario you'll have to run "rpm-ostree install plasma-workspace-x11" to install the X11 version of KDE Plasma.

I do have a multi-GPU system with Bazzite on it but both dedicated GPUs and the integrated one are AMD. I have 0 issues, but again, it's AMD.

>>106939501
You're probably younger than me, but I have fond memories of trying to get Gentoo to build on my desktop late Friday nights in high school circa 2006.
The thing that made Linux shit then was package managers were non-existent. You had to build software from the source on tarballs which then lead to dependency hell.
I think I spent almost 2 days trying to get fucking mplayer to work to play my God damn music collection. Holy hell that sucked.
If I recall correctly, I ultimately settled on fedora , 1 because they had RPM files and their apt system which was helpful but definitely NOT as mature as it is today.
Ironically I could never decide on whether I liked KDE or gnome better. Even today, it's hard to decide. Once I learned how the devs intended to use modern day gnome, it's not half bad though I have extensions that allow the use of icons on the desktop and an app launcher that's similar to osx. I use that on my ally x because gnome has great touch screen support .
While I lament that knowing computers isn't really dark magic like it used to be back then, it is nice that they are largely self managing.

>>106939594
Poorly. Don't bother running Linux with a Nvidia GPU. Thats on Nvidia . I have an Asus laptop that has an AMD GPU and CPU on it and it handles the switching perfectly because AMD actively engages the Linux community. Stick to windows if you want to run Nvidia OR be ready for jenky.
If you want to run Linux , just save yourself the headache and buy hardware that is known to work and be well supported.

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Now what?

>>106933136
>Mint is garbage
Only retards believe this

>tfw all these muh nvidia spammers dont realize bazzite ships an image with the open nvidia driver which works flawlessly even with cuda and games

>>106939727
>not bazzite
you are unemployed and want to showcase your desktop on g instead of using your desktop. you have enough time to figure out on your own.

>>106940155
AMD cope that they are finally not irrelevant for Linux users now the Nvidia driver is good. The merger handful of sales to linuxfags that AMD was getting are finally going to dwindle away.

>>106940031
Compared to Silverblue distros everything is a pile of hot garbage straight out of the 90s including macos and windows. The only reason not to use immutable distros is because you are old good new bad. Immutable distros are specifically best for the ends of the spectrum ie absolute normies due to the stability but also the power user dev because you get transparent access to all other distros and containers. I can see 90-110iq users not understanding the benefits as it is not for tinkering.

>>106939070
>rpm-ostree rebase to test latest nigger FOTM shit
>rpm-ostree rollback

oooof that was hard, this is why Google will VVIN when they release AndroidOS.
FOSS has been plagued by "leftism" retardness longer than normies would believe.

>>106940183
Half a decade I spent on atomic distros, they are the final redpill, I'd never ever go back to package-based mutable dogshit.
I can't believe I ever listened to drooling retards telling me in the first months it was hard and you couldn't change shit.

>>106940243
>Half a decade I spent on atomic distros, they are the final redpill, I'd never ever go back to package-based mutable dogshit.
Based. Same. I can't believe people are still using shitware like Mint and pretending it's good.

>>106940215
>locking yourself into one corpo ecosystem

>>106940243
>I love only being able to run flatpaks or appimages

>>106940593
Do you think the desktop environment is installed as a flatpak or an appimage?

>>106940587
>Sent from my systemd machine ;)

>inb4 I don't use systemd
yes you do lol

>>106939085
>>106939218
>>106939311
Valve literally only got that OS because of the cheap inaccessible hardware that doesn’t fix anything in Linux gaming. Just so they can make Proton a mandatory requirement. They should have released different versions for each Linux, just like Steam Client but no they decided that profits are better.

>>106940647
systemd actually works though much to my offence against schizos lol
the same cannot be said of Wayland.
>>106940646
>running a distro where you cannot install packages and the official way to run anything that doesn't ship with it is through flathub
>>106940693
>company is profit driven
waow who would have expected this? At least Valve isn't doing retarded shit like trying to kill the more stable display server for everyone. Inshallah x11libre shall win, wayland is shit and xorg is zogged

>>106940712
>>running a distro where you cannot install packages and the official way to run anything that doesn't ship with it is through flathub
What are you even talking about. You can install non-flatpak software.

>>106940712
toolbx, distrobox or homebrew

layering or installing thousands of packages is a mental illness.

>>106940766
pacman just works dude I see something i like and I watch pacman eat the dots its really cool and epic
>>106940723
was bazzite not more or less flatpak (or appimage) only?

I am going to dualboot Cachy and Windows 10 LTSC.

>>106940766

gonna have to agree with this. plus it increases security. fedora silverblue is stable, and having everything seperate to your root is smart as fuck.

no obsolete packages, dependencies etc cluttering everything or having to do system maintenance. great for my home desktop pc wher ei just want to sit, do work and game. i don't wanna bother with extra fluff. plus if i do get the urge to dive into some experimentation, i don't accidentally brick my entire system.

it kind of reminds me of QubesOS in a way. ofcourse you can argue against it being offered by redhat/systemd/fedora etc, but the principle of having everything seperate to your root system is somewhat similar. great for security.


>>106940830

no, you can use ubuntu, arch, fedora, debian etc and get their respective packages and export them to your host.
https://docs.bazzite.gg/Installing_and_Managing_Software/Distrobox/

>>106940830
>was bazzite not more or less flatpak (or appimage) only?
This is like saying Ubuntu is limited to Flatpaks and Snaps even though you can do "sudo apt install..."

NAME
       rpm-ostree - Hybrid image/package system for host operating system
       updates

SYNOPSIS

       rpm-ostree {COMMAND} [OPTIONS...]
       
...

       install
           Takes one or more packages as arguments. The packages are fetched
           from the enabled repositories in /etc/yum.repos.d/ and are overlayed
           on top of a new deployment. It is also possible to specify a local
           RPM package that resides on the host. Overlayed packages can later
           be removed with the uninstall command.

This installs what people consider as "native" packages.

NixOS is good for gaymen

>>106940892
>>106940830

this as well, rpm-ostree basically layers software on top. i had issues using syncthing through distrobox to connect from my laptop to my desktop.

so i just layered it through rpm-ostree and it works just fine. it will always be there, even if the whole system updates to a new version, whatever you layer will always be there and updated for you.

>>106940894
why

layering is a last resort though, keep that in mind. it's mostly meant for system components.

>>106939727
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg7uclIuETQ&t=1145s&pp=ygUTZ2FtaW5nIG9uIGNhY2h5IG9zIA%3D%3D

the short of it is paste this into terminal:
sudo pacman -S cachyos-gaming-meta

>>106940885
can you use this to change your display server or desktop environment
>KDE Wayland is a horrible combo on my particular setup despite it being new hardware
>much prefer x11+xfce as I can actually get uptimes beyond 18h before my display output freezes without producing any actionable logs
>>106940892
>>106940910
ok that's kinda neat actually

>>106940966
can it run genshin impact though

>>106941050
Any distro can run Genshin in Bottles or Lutris

>>106940885
And we're only talking about the atomic aspect, RedHat's shit is the only thing with SELinux and sane OOB policies.
Shit that's been introduced in Android KitKat, when was that... 2013?

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>>106925779
>>106928084
>Using Linux is just rolling the dice to see if your OS uninstalls itself because they pushed a bad package
That's the 'it just werks' solution to windows???

>>106940986
i don't think you can change the display server. since its based on atomic fedora and they all ships with wayland as the default. bazzite and the other ublue versions are basically tweaks of fedora atomic.

But yes you can rebase from any version of an atomic fedora spin to another. i can literally go from bazzite back to regular fedora silverblue, then rebase to fedora kinoite or sway atomic. or maybe i want to rebase from bazzite to bluefin and vice versa. making it easy to try different DE versions or if lets say KDE gets a new update...i can rebase to that, and keep all of my home packages and software still installed.

basically you have to think of your ''base'' as a completely seperate entity that gets updated with images, retaining the previous image if anything goes wrong. and you can rewrite this entire blank canvas to whatever suits your needs. i love that idea.

it kind of works like nixos, but not quite.
there is no config file to manage. but you can still deal with kernel parameters. or layer software on top if you need to do it, that come along with your base image. but as >>106940920 said, its a last resort.

i might try out bluefin, looks great as a dev focused distro compared to the troonslop nonsense like ''omarchy'' being pushed on the algorithms. but thats the beauty of linux, we can do whatever the fucc we want.
https://projectbluefin.io/

>>106929892
>Pop admitted that it was their fault because they rolled out a back package that broke his system
>It's still his fault somehow
Linux cuck cope is next-level

>>106941136

didn't windows brick local host the past few days with their new saar-pilot update? and also bricked a ton of SSDs because of some firmware shenanigans?
this shit happens on every single OS....atleast on linux you have finer control, and if you wish to change systems you can do it instantly since its free without needing a license key..

PopOS is meh tho, nothing special.

>>106941192
saar please do not be speaking of the microsoft this way

>>106941223
i hope they ship copilot with indian accent. would be the megalolz

>>106941152
>i don't think you can change the display server.
And you'd be wrong.

rpm-ostree install plasma-workspace-x11
#This installs the X11 version of KDE Plasma.

>>106940986
>can you use this to change your display server or desktop environment
Yes, you can install any DE or WM you want just like you would on a normal distro.

>>106941238
oh awesome, i didn't know x11 was even a choice. thanks.

>>106941238
so theoretically I could put XFCE with xorg which is neat. I am however contemplating becoming an x11libre early adopter and I doubt anyone has that able to run on bazzite lol
I'm glad it works for you in all honestly and it looks neat but I have a setup where I can just replace my OS if it breaks with another OS and lose no user or application data and thus far... haven't needed to replace my install

>>106941171
Both are dumb.
It should never have tried to uninstall a critical package.
That said, the obvious answer to a prompt randomly in no uncertain terms asking if you want to screw up the system is "fuck no", and doing anything else is incompetence. Can't even call that tech illiteracy, that's complete illiteracy full stop.

>>106941399
>It should never have tried to uninstall a critical package.
It didn't try to do it. It checked the dependency tree, realized it would delete a critical package, and then threw an error message instead of proceeding.
The only reason critical packages got deleted is because he opened the terminal and executed a command (as root) that did this. This is the equivalent of logging into an admin account on Windows, disabling UAC/Defender and executing a PowerShell command (as admin) that deletes System32. Or the same as rooting an Android phone and doing an rm -rf /.
A normal user would never do this. They'd click "install", see Steam fails to install and then complain and wait until the problem is fixed.

>>106939594
I have a dual-gpu laptop (AMD+Nvidia) and Bazzite worked for me out of the box without any configuration required at all

>>106941192
So if Linux is just as bad as windows 11 why would anyone switch over instead of just staying on the previous version?

>>106941517
>Complain and wait until the problem is fixed
They'd drop the platform entirely and use that experience as a talking point as to why Linux will never be competitive.
They'd be completely justified in doing it, too.

>>106932738
>And you have to pay a monthly subscription to use it.
And a chunk of that money goes straight into Bill Gates's pockets. Linux only exists to push people to windows, just don't bother

Tell me, why would I switch to bazzite if I already use Cachy?
Genuine question. What do I gain?

>>106942152
you're not the target audience

>>106942152
le immutable system

>>106942152
system updates that don't fuck things up and an OS that doesn't need as much tinkering

>>106931991
>just
you underestimate the number of 80 and below IQs on the internet that are incapable of just anything. they don't know the difference between linux and linus tech tips.
>just learn
the number of sub 90s that can just something still can't just learn

most normies don't even know you can install windows or understand that computers just dont come like that

>>106942152
more time doing stuff instead of fellating your pc

>>106922688
do the "Why is Bazzite being pushed so much" threads count as pushing Bazzite?

>>106942228
I'll never understand this.
Does it take you more than a couple of hours to set up something like cachy?
What prevents you from just installing flatpaks there if it's so complicated to do sudo pacman -S whatever the fuck (or yay/paru whatever)?
What is so time wasting about using one command that installs practically everything required to play games on linux?
You don't need to update your system 3 times a day. If you're unsure, Cachy sets up snapshots for you if you choose the right filesystem/bootloader, and you can even enable offline updates (you know that bullshit where in order to minimize chances of breaking, it behaves like windows and it installs updates when restarting).
What's more, in most cases you're not figuring out how to install something random you've seen on the internet because someone very likely has already added it to the AUR for you to quickly install if you wanna try it.
You act like maintenance is a constant thing on Cachy but it's basically the same shit with a couple of steps more, if that.

this thread makes me feel great that i'm christ with the terminal so i can fix mostly anything and i can gayme under void linux
i swear you faggots are retards, how come you niggers are not able to fix your garbage and have to use a fucking bloat useless distro like gayzzite or faggyos instead of using whatever shit and fixing your shit?
in my experience using >muh complex distros instead of prebuilt garbage gave was less painful

>>106942299
are you ESL?

>>106942317
yes im from sri lanka sir

>>106942295
It's a distro literally made for tinkering. Last time I checked it it was overwhelming the user with irrelevant and unexplained choices immediately after the install. And updating it is always a gamble; the user should NEVER have to worry about an OS update fucking up their system and their day. So, to answer your question
>Does it take you more than a couple of hours to set up something like cachy?
Yes, when you collectively take into account all the learning the user is forced to go through and all the un-fucking of system updates. Over the course of several years of usage that accumulates to hours and hours of time wasted on irrelevant bullshit.

>>106922767
I get it gave him the warning and he just didn't read it but why didn't it work and what should he have done instead?

>>106942363
What unfucking of system updates? It's not 2016 anymore. Unless you fuck up the process yourself (by doing partial updates frequently for instance or installing all sorts of garbage through the AUR when it might not be necessary) it's not likely to be an issue. If it somehow becomes an issue, rollback.
Hell that's what you recommend users over there too. People often have trouble with the updating process, I hear again and again about Bazzite not being all that amazingly pristine and stable
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bazzite/comments/1k3802n/steam_updates_never_work/
Maybe if you fixed your shit I'd be more inclined to support your argument

>>106942363
Also, everything on CachyOS that CachyOS hello presents is on the Wiki. The wiki is as concise as it gets, it has nothing on the Arch wiki, but it doesn't need to, it has precisely the amount of information you need to see what tweaks are applied or you can apply. There's not a lot, I tick a whole two fucking buttons after an install.

I already have OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, I don't need anything else.

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>>106942299
KEK everyone can see you're a loser anon

>>106942363
>he user should NEVER have to worry about an OS update fucking up their system and their day.
NTA, but this is one main reason I finally made a switch to Linux, tired of checking what new is fucked with the latest forced update on me

>>106922688
Fedora is good. Debian is the only other realistic choice.

Installing codecs is a pain.

Atomic distros are very stable.

>>106922688
Because normies literally cannot think outside "I need SteamOS"

>>106925640
Fedora's lack of codecs is AIDS. Debian it's easy to install. Fedora has no idea where to store its codecs or how to install all of them

>>106922730
which is a lie because every linux user I know switched from bazzite to CachyOS because bazzite was shit.

>>106923451
I can prove you wrong actually. CachyOS is more stable and better performance with Nvidia GPU's. Nobara is better for all AMD builds.

Since most users are on Nvidia graphics the real list is Cachy>Nobara>50ft. of JEET semen>Bazzite

This does not change until most people are using AMD graphics. you are objectively wrong sir.

>>106926655
the performance metrics are the exact same regardless of GPU power. Cachy runs best with modern nvidia cards so by default thats the distro you should be looking at with a 4090

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>>106945471
Isn't Nobara fedora based like Bazzite? whats so different beside harder to setup for a normie?
>first thing welcoming you on the website
>99% of the project is run by one man
Not looking good honestly

>>106922767
this is why we need immutable distros for normies