>>106929118
>rtngs.com only give all green ratings to OLEDs.
if you don't mind buying a new one every few years they're the best screens available

>>106929170
even for non-gamers?

>>106929118
>what about burn in? eye strain? what gives
Burn in is an issue, but modern panels take so long to burn in that you'll probably have upgraded anyways if you're going to buy OLED in the first place.
Eye-strain is a meme, they don't literally flash the panel only as fast as their refresh frequency.

>>106929170
>they're the best screens available
All around least shit*
FTFY

>>106929185
>Burn in is an issue, but modern panels take so long to burn in that you'll probably have upgraded anyways if you're going to buy OLED in the first place.
well has this been quantitatively measured? let's suppose an autist spends 14 hours of every day on 4chan. what happens?

>>106929118
OLED looks objectively better. Factoring in burn in is difficult since it takes several months to measure.

>>106929192
That would make them the best, yes

>>106929212
There are a lot of tests but most tards run them at 100% brightness for even desktop use, which burns them in much faster than something like 25%, which is closer to standard panel brightness for desktop use.
My C4 has over 3000 hours on it, bought last year and it has zero burn in, in actual burn in tests.

>>106929229
>objectively better
Value is subjective you fucking retard

I guess Oleds arent selling with all these oled ads lol

>>106929118
Rtings is an elitist website that mostly exists to sell overpriced screens to spec chasers. They literally do not review cheap products at all

>>106929185
lol
i had super noticeable burn in in 6 months
if you turn brightness up at all they degrade super fast
if u dont theyre super dim

its green energy tech. rtings gets paid to advertise and only a child wouldnt figure that out

>>106929315
that was my first thought too
I need a new 4k, text/media/browser only, no games. I was considering 27 inch (have 32 but it's just so fucking big, I can't get enough distance from it and this can't be good)
was thinking U2725QE

>>106929118
It's just poorfag cope. OLEDs are great, get one if you can afford it. I'll never buy another LCD for any reason.

>>106929476
i never needed to buy another tn panel because my vg248 is great. you will need to buy many more oled monitors though :-)

you spend money frivolously like a brown

>>106929118
I'm being completely honest when I say I have never had burn in on an Oled screen. The worst I've had was weird discoloration after 10-12 years on my launch model PS Vita, which I think is reasonable considering the age and how much older Oled tech was back then.
I have 5 Oled screens in the house and haven't had a single issue or any burn in with any of them. To be fair, I don't tend to play the same game for thousands of hours, so maybe that's what it takes to get a hud burnt in.

>>106929291
I wasn't talking about value but objective image quality, retard

>>106929466
hey anon fyi the U2725QE has a really noticeable yellow tint that is hard to calibrate out.

it's not a terrible monitor, but it's super noticeable next to my older gen U2723QE, which looks significantly better. I think they are over-driving the panel or something to hit 120hz. also fwiw, it's not a "good" 120hz, it's a very smeary IPS.

If you have the space or can afford it, I'd get a separate monitor for gaming (the dells are really nice for text clarity tho).

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i havent even disabled the task bar on my oled, no burn in or anything after over a year, 400hrs of oled protect apparently, no idea what that means because the protect lasts like 5 mins and it does it once or twice a day when i turn off my pc at night

>what about burn in?
>>106929551
It's pretty much a non-issue. Even with 100% static parts like a status or taskbar. Only in a 100% dark room could I see it at all after a few years. 0/5 OLED screens with noticable burn-in. Will see with my OLED laptop in a few years I guess since I mostly leave it on static screens.

I have however had bad IPS ghosting on TWO displays. Much worse than any oled I have seen in real life. That makes it 2/4 IPS screens. Sure it's "temporary" but it's very noticable and lasts for hours.

>>106929170
>every few years
>set brightness to 40-60%
>hide taskbar
>slideshow desktop backgrounds
>use it for multiple things
>lasts as long as LCD
woah that was hard

>>106930079
You made a value statement you fucking moron. You said, "better". They'd a value statement and it's subjective

>>106931422
thanks anon
>it's not a "good" 120hz, it's a very smeary IPS
that wouldn't come into play while watching videos on youtube or movies, would it? you're just talking about gaming right

>>106929118
bros, what is the best 1440p OLED? I am looking into the XG27AQDMG but I wanna hear your takes. Budget is around $600

>also does anyone know when the Gigabyte MO27Q28G is coming out in the US? can't find it anywhere here

>>106931836
>you fucking moron
>They'd a value statement
You stupid little thing

>>106929170
This, although I hard disagree with them rating the G80S as anything other than peak samshit. I went through 3 of them in 2 months due to firmware bugs. Returned it and bought 3 of the Acer nitro p3s for less than the price of the single G80. The premium OLEDs are the best displays in any kind of objective metric, but they aren't double and triple the quality of a high end IPS panel.

>>106929118
>>106929178
>>106929466
Their budget 4k ratings include the Acer Nitro P3 which is an excellent choice. You can get them refurbished on amazon. The current price is 350 dollars. I bought mine for 310. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CMZB8TGR

The local dimming is complete dogshit, and the OSD is genuinely one of the worst piles of garbage you'll ever use, but the monitor itself is an insanely good value at that price. My suggestion for them is to hook them up, reset the settings to default (refurbs aren't always default), and then the first thing you should do is go into the OSD settings and bump the timeout to close to 30 seconds. The buttons aren't labeled, they're all the same size, and they're on the bottom, so if you ever lift your fingers off you have to fumble around and count where you are or you'll accidentally shut the screen off.

The stock color profiles are mostly trash, but you can start with a custom one and if you did a full rest it should default to pretty neutral. Tweak it a bit to suit your preferences if desired. I don't run my displays at full brightness, and as already mentioned, the local dimming is complete ass and should be turned off.

Ultimately it's an insanely good screen for that price. I wouldn't lean on it for professional media creation or anything like that, but I was happy enough with mine that I bought more. We've got 6 of them in the house now, and all told it cost me less than 2 grand. Really cannot complain. Every friend that I've recommended them to has been favorably impressed.

>>106932302
continued

>>106929358
They do, but budget competition is very stiff. The best budget displays are usually buying certified refurbs of IPS units that have been on the market for a while or are about to be rotated out with a new model. See the above. It would be very difficult to find a 160hz flicker freesync capable display that rivals the Nitro P3. Once in a while you can find great deals on open box oleds, but even those are rarely more than 20% off the price.

Oh and something I forgot to mention is that those displays are only 160hz over display port. They're 144 over HDMI due to an older HDMI standard. Not a huge issue, but something to keep in mind. Again, OLEDs are better, but they sure as fuck aren't 3x the cost better, especially if you get framerate stutters in some games. Decent IPS panels don't flicker, all OLEDs will.

What about the blurry text rendering? Is that fixed by now?

>>106931836
Anon, you are objectively retarded.

>>106931422
>noticeable yellow tint
>super noticeable next to
Are you sure your two screens don't just have a different color temperature?

>>106932343
I think that was only ever an issue with TV's, not with monitors.
TV's aren't optimized for text rendering.

>>106932402
really? I read a lot of posts of people complaining about oled monitors having issues with text fringing (something about the subpixel layout it says), but I cant tell if its blown out of proportion like the burn in thing or if its fixed already

>>106932443
maybe some dumb fuck was running cleartype on oled g9

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>>106932443
its such a convenient technology you have to do all this babying and configuring to make sure it works at a basic level for MUH TRUE BLACKS
if i spend 1200 dollars on a monitor it should just work and not burn my taskbar and browser bar in after a few months

oled shilling is so inorganic because its a truly underwhelming picture for how much it can cost. no one could care that much unless they are in full buyer's remorse mode

its such a non issue you can google literally any model + burn in and get many results of people complaining about it on reddit, with pictures included

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this is 3 month burn in btw
dont worry linus tech tips told you its a solved issue though. why would a guy recveiving money to review the product lie to you??

>>106931808
>do all this shit to baby your $1000 monitor
I'm just going to buy a mini led

>>106929118
My samsung phone oled looks awesome, no eye-strain. I suppose that tech is phone only?
on my pc I use an old panasonic tv (one of the 3d ones) i fished out of the bin at work. It looks nice but is only 1080 and only just does 60hz.

>>106932944
actually you set brightness to max and have like few different modes like "trueblack 400 or 1000" and switch between those depending on what you want

using it for various different media is what you want to do anyway
hiding taskbar is one option, I use windhak to give me vertical + translucent taskbar which is preferable
slideshow wallpapers is nice but takes work if you want good ones

miniled is fine for low end but not as good as oled

>>106929405
No you didn't. You're a coping poorfag who can't afford an OLED so spends his time seething about them online. We already have ongoing burn-in tests from multiple sources and you're not going to be noticing burn-in after six months even at max brightness and using it exclusively for desktop work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whuHuM9h88M

Sorry turd world bro, but you'll have to make do with your monitor not being able to display the color black and having abysmal motion clarity.

>>106929118
How much power do OLED's use? I live in a caravan because fuck Australian house prices.
Also no 24" OLED's so I don't care.

>>106933197
they should be better than led/lcd especially if you turn the brightness down. Im in au aswell and plan on quitting my full time job and living in the car.

cheap out on monitors. nice monitors are for macfag artists. I use AI for art and IPS panels for gaymen

>>106933271
oled typically use more energy because each pixel is driven individually

>>106933271
Tbh I haven't looked into it but figured someone here might know.
Caravan life is pretty chill. I live off of dividends from stocks. Worst case I try get onto centrelink.
Commies want to put another tax onto heavy vehicles, including caravans because they are "damaging the roads more" and "bad for the environment".

>>106932936
You got what you deserved for watching CNN

>>106929118
No one ever talks about the real elephant in the room with regards to OLED and gaming:

FUCKING VRR FLICKER

The single most important innovation in smooth, lag-free gaming and OLED fucking ruins it
I guess when your brain is already smooth you have no need for smooth gameplay

>>106933488
it happens with fps fluctuations and theres ways to mitigate it
samsung has option that disables vrr when the fps goes under certain limit
you can set the game to have higher fps by changing settings

>>106933526
Disabling VRR defeats the whole fucking purpose of it
God I hate you excuse-making disingenuous faggots so much

>>106933542
buy a better gpu

>>106929118
Don't modern OLED have obligatory humiliation ritual of shutting itself off every 4 hours or so?

>>106933699
no
typically it runs a pixel refresh automatically on its own when you stop using the monitor

>>106933564
Even the fastest GPU on planet earth can't avoid uneven frame times and input lag or screen tearing, you dumb motherfucker.

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>>106933176
you are literally brown and being paid a dollar an hour to shill

[link to paid advertisement youtube chnanel]

Mrmmm very true saar i buying oled now

tunak tunak tun tunak tunak tun da da daa~

>>106933807
what gpu do you own currently

>>106931808
>used to hide the taskbar anyway but decided to change it up after switching to a 3-screen layout and now prefer it that way
>have slideshow backgrounds but never see them because I'd rather have something actually useful on screen by default
>have to drop those habits just to make Thief and maybe a few other games look better
It's tempting but no.

>>106933873
4090 because the 50 series is a shitshow
Nigger

>>106933898
and in what scenario does 4090 have vrr flicker in games

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>>106931882
2 months of usage burn in on this model :D

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>>106931882
>>106933911
monitor damaged from the webcam sitting on top of it

any of the indian shills here want to share the product theyre pushing this month so i can google for burn in on it? literally every model has posts on reddit of people going "what the heck happened... why do i have burn in i paid so much :("


the biggest joke of this all is that companies are being pushed to produce these because they are greener to make and have less power consumption. you are buying an inferior product that is much more expensive which receives a really high amount of subsidies so that we can have a better planet. and to be honest, that alone is worth it my fellow human beings.

>>106933139
I would rather wait for miniled to catchup than think about doing "monitor maintenance" ever. The black levels being better are not worth the tradeoffs (for me). And no I don't think people who choose oled are stupid I'm not a /g/ autist.

>>106933176
>monitor used for 1.5 years for the most normal, basic bitch, document editing office work imaginable
>already burned in
>OLED subhumanoids think this is a good thing actually
fucking lol

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>retards: OLED's are... le bad!
>same retards using OLED's for hours and hours every day for years with their smartphones without issues

>>106934396
You're right, my phone is 2 years old and I can see the ghost retention of gboard when I'm in an all white app. A display that breaks itself if you look at the same thing for too long is planned obsolescence.

>>106932252
Kek going after typos like a little bitch
>>106932353
sorry you're so upset

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>>106934447
I believe you.

Meanwhile, I will be enjoying my new 32" 4K 240hz OLED monitor to game.

>>106929118
as rting has shown other displays also have burn in and image retention problems
curious

>>106934396
esl moment

>>106932919
>buy a new car
>redline it all the time
>never change the oil

>UM WTF WHY DID MY CAR BREAK DOWN IT SHOULD JUST FIX AND PERFORM MAINTANENCE ON ITSELF

If you don't know how to take care of things you probably should just stick to idiot-proof things.

>>106934531
its more like a car that shits the bed at 30k miles when predecessor cars dont do that because they werent designed with technology that degrades upon use

buying oled is like when your kind stands in front of trains when people tell you not to because its retarded

>>106934487
Gay'me on!

>>106934566
buy a new car and don't change the oil for 30k miles, see what happens

>>106934608
at least you get thick yummy mushy afterwards.

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>>106934608
hmmm i still dont get it can you explain this again in terms of cars even though monitors are not cars? and can you include the part where oled costs twice as much for minimal picture improvement, while needing to be babied? compared to ips tn and va panels which do not self destruct in months? that might help me understand it better

can you also explain why guys in your country fuck cows? that is also pertinent to understanding where you are coming from in this conversation

>>106934636
>minimal picture improvement
not reading the rest of your post, lmao

>>106929118
If you live in the US you can buy a 5 year burn in warranty at Best Buy. That basically solves that issue. The rest I've heard mixed reports about, seems situational depending on use. I just bought my first one an lg c5, its 48 inches which I found out afterwards isn't as bright as the other sizes. But I'm pretty sensitive to bright light anyways so hoping it will be enough. It was pretty impressive in the store.

>>106929118
>what about burn in?
Not their problem.

>>106929185
yeah so fucking long, like 1 year, that's basically forever, right?

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>>106934680
>anon just got the notification he needs to pixel refresh for the next hour

>>106934699
just dont have a monitor for 3 weeks while they ship it out bro


btw this is all worth it beacuse the COLORS are so good even though if sunlight gets on it it will damage the panel and if you turn the brightness up it will damage the panel and if you leave it on too long it will damage the panel and if dont do the pixel refreshes it will damage the panel

>>106929118
>what about burn in?
They literally have a warehouse stuffed with hundreds of monitors displaying shit 24/7, and take photos of all of them periodically to objectively test burn-in.
>eye strain?
meme

OLEDs are the best monitor technology on the market, and it's not even close. The downside is that they don't last forever. If you're going to use one heavily, get a brand with a reasonably long warranty that covers burn-in, and plan to use the warranty for a replacement just before it runs out.
I've got a Dell AW3423DW with a warranty that covers burn-in, and lasts until Feb 2030. When that's about to run out, one call to support and they'll literally overnight me an advanced RMA, and they'll take back my old one with 30k hours or whatever on it, no questions asked. When that one starts to show burn-in in another 5 years, by 2035, there will be better OLEDs, and maybe even affordable microLEDs or whatever.

Not interested when I can get barely used and two year old top of the line Eizo monitors for 200 bucks.

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>>106934852
>They literally have a warehouse stuffed with hundreds of monitors displaying shit 24/7, and take photos of all of them periodically to objectively test burn-in.

l o l.

>no questions asked.

l o l.

evne when they accept the rma they send you used panels btw

>>106934881
Skill issue.

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>>106933907
Literally any game that doesn't properly precompute shaders for whatever retarded reason.

A lot of older OLEDs flicker when they drop down into the 50Hz range for more than a frame or two, which is high enough to cause minor strobing with any kind of random stutter due to shitty game logic loops.

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>>106934927
this guy wasnt skilled enough either

I'm convinced the jews have tech that would allow for image quality as good as OLED but without any degradation/longevity issues, but they're purposefully sitting on it because they don't want to sell you something that you'd buy one of and then never need to buy again. Instead they shit out incremental upgrades and OLEDs that have built-in planned obsolescence so you keep having to come back.

>>106934988
source?

>>106934997
that mightve been the case during the 2010's when monitor tech was stuck in 144hz ish ips panels and minileds were somehow unfeasible

>>106934997
This is very likely the case. The evidence for it is that LED lighting, which was "supposed to last ten years" has a tiny 5 cent part on the tiny PCB inside the LED that burns out first. By spec'ing that part as one that typically burns out in 3-4 years, they get you to buy another light. The part that would last the full ten years costs 5 cents more. That is some hand-rubbing right there...

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>>106934988
Don't know what to tell you, man. I've warrantied dozens of things over the years, from PC parts, to appliances, even guns, whatever. I've literally never once had a bad experience with an RMA from any company. Even when I've had problems that are explicitly exempt from warranty, or stuff that's maybe a year past warranty, I have always managed to talk to customer support, and have gotten them to issue me a "one time exception", or something to that effect.
It's not like I'm some charisma god, or sociopathic master manipulator. I'm literally a sperg who dump statted CHA in character creation. I have to assume that most of those sob stories you see posted on Reddit are from spastic manchildren who throw a tantrum, and are surprised when customer support doesn't want to deal with their shit and tells them to fuck off. In the post you screenshotted, that guy literally admits that support called him "rude, abrasive or abusive".
Literally all you have to do is clearly explain your problem, don't over-share irrelevant or 'problematic' details (e.g. admitting accidental/physical damage), be polite, but make sure you subtly frame it like whatever went wrong is the manufacturer's fault somehow. Be a pleasure to deal with, and customer service will *want* to help you.
So, yes, skill issue.

btw https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/longevity-burn-in-test-updates-and-results

>>106933134
>My samsung phone oled looks awesome, no eye-strain. I suppose that tech is phone only?
no, they flicker like crazy too
but they take up less of the total space of your vision, and aren't lighting up to compete with the main light sources of the room

>>106935015
>>106934988
Found the source
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/1kxuan5/dell_refusing_warranty_after_oled_burnin_3year/
old reddit without subreddit theme link
>https://old.reddit.com/r/Alienware+none/comments/1kxuan5/dell_refusing_warranty_after_oled_burnin_3year/

Anyone who spends this much time getting dicked needs to learn the beauty of chargebacks. This is why I use Amex. I've done chargebacks for 5 year old products before. Provide them with some decent proof of a good faith effort on your part to seek warranties, and as long as you aren't doing multiple charegbacks per month, Amex won't give a fuck.

No idea if they take it out of the retailer's pocket or the manufacturer. Not my fucking problem either way.

>>106935325
>btw paid advertisement link

MRMM VERY GOOD SAAR

>>106931808
No it's not gonna last as long as an LCD lmao. I use a 24 year old LCD screen (IPS) and there's no way OLED will last that long even if you do all that.

>>106935325
Anyway to further analyze, it looks like where that guy went wrong, beyond an obvious lack of patience, was to forget that he was talking to a series of individual employees, not just "Dell". Any large corporation's CS department probably hates the corporation WAY more than you do, and actively enjoys wasting their employer's money if they can get away with it, but you have to work with them. They usually have an extremely rigid series of hoops they have to jump through before they're allowed to help you.
I've seen the kind of shit these people have to put up with, and there's an excellent chance that they're working with completely fucked software, or more often, several pieces of fucked software at once. For example:
>1980s era command line COBOL program, written by a dead graybeard, that runs in a tiny windowed DOS VM, which technically works fine but is slow to interact with and is also somehow the backbone of the entire CS system, which nobody is brave enough to touch because the last time they tried, they accidentally broke some critical, arcane, self-modifying code the graybeard wrote for a laugh, and the entire system went down for 3 days until they flew in a $2,000/hr consultant to fix it
>2002 era C++ program written using raw Win32 calls, which worked great 15 years ago, but hasn't seen serious maintenance since 2013
>some extremely shitty javascript web interface written by retarded pajeets, that silently eats form submissions 23% of the time, so those notes that someone tried to save yesterday are just gone
>some modern vibe coded AI garbage that literally nobody understands
etc
Just cooperate, and don't Karen it up. Maybe you have to answer the same question 5 times, and maybe the person you're talking to is being lazy or retarded, but maybe there's actually a reason for it, which you'd never find out because they could get fired for complaining about it to a customer. Either way, shouting at them and not cooperating is never going to help.

>>106934738
>yeah so fucking long, like 1 year, that's basically forever, right?
I'm an alcoholic neet, so I basically use mine 3 months in a row, like 18 hours a day and then 1 month just standing there and mine is still good to go from last summer.

So is it true OLED are the best screens available if i don't care about money?

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jesus fucking christ the cope levels in this thread are insane. just insane.
some of my favorites:
>>106931808
>slideshow desktop backgrounds
>>106933176
>ongoing burn-in tests
>from multiple sources
>multiple sources
>not going to be noticing burn-in after six months
>six months
>>106934699
>you can buy a 5 year burn in warranty
>you can buy
>buy
>>106934852
>they don't last forever
and my absolute favorite:
>>106934852
>no questions asked
that was a good laugh thanks

The only problem I have with my OLED screens is that the screens are so thin that if you want to mount certain kinds of hardware to your screen (like a Tobii eye tracker 5 for instance), good luck getting it to stay on

>>106936323
Try to prove something wrong I know with my own eyes?

>>106929118
Burn is is probably a lie. I haven't seen it since using my Samsung S10 for many years almost all day every day as people do, on high brightness as people also do.

honestly at some point this is insane
you're not married to a display

a normal person might walk up to a store and buy the tv that looks good + what the clerk recommends and dole out thousands for it while pc monitors are in the 300-700€ range and people take up ideological positions for something so insignificant
Then I bet some people discussing oled tech are 3rdies and arent in the target audience to begin with, yet they spend dozens of hours at it.

>>106936199
For most applications, yes.

If you need flicker free with low framerates, no. If you need extremely high brightness for a room with lots of light, no. If you need the maximum possible refresh rates, no.