Discord and other pure chat platforms are the future of the web. Twitter, Tiktok, Youtube, everything is becoming unusable due to the prevalence of bots, AI slop, ads and other corporate activity. People will gravitate towards apps where the internet is a little bit less dead.I don't wanna say that Discord will be the one because they want to go publicly traded in the near future and, as we know damn well by this point, that means it's only going to get worse for the foreseeable future.Servers will localize and get smaller so that corporations have less and less reasons to spend money to infiltrate them with bots to sell products.And, after all of the turbulence, we'll be back to the good days of the internet again.
>>106944787There is no way discord doesn't turn into unuseable slop in the next 5 years, maybe 10.I am hoping there is some sort of gradual "internet is played out" fatigue where the normies all leave and we can return to the ways things are meant to be.
so we going back on IRC?
what yall do on discord tho
>>106944787What? Discord is zoomer slop, why does it need to be like 30TB and have so much bullshit. I'm still using IRC with my bros.
>>106944787Idk the chat format has been exhausted.There's too much communication immediacy. We might see a return to forums, as retarded as this sounds. Why, because they're not so volatile and discardable.
>>106945017>>106945097Yeah, IRC-style chats and small, donation-funded forums might be the future of the web. No ads, no bots, no corporate interest.The social media model was sold based on an illusion of a more human-centric internet instead of a topic-centric one. Now, it has become clear that the social media age was corporate-centric, but it still retains users due to inertia. But more and more people are leaving inertia and realizing how bad all of this shit has been for them.
always have wanted to be that guy who thinks the internet was ruined the day myspace came along, but I've never been able to. I wasn't born back in the irc days and have fond memories of early social media.maybe now it's time to taste what the world used to be like, and see what I missed out on
>>106945318In some ways it was better and in many ways it was worse. I do wish people would use something other than corpo owned shit like discord though.IRC wasn't an overmoderated shithole at least. People just used other apps for voicechat.I don't get why people can't just use Steam for streaming and vc. Syncplay for watching movies and shows. Then IRC for everything else.Why is it so hard for people to click on a fucking link? Geez. Discord killed IRC and now Discord is killing free speech.
>>106944787I hope something like Veilidchat will become the next thing. Totally anonymous and uncensorable, but it has a long way to go unfortunately.Even they use discord for now until they get things up and running good, just to try to get as many new collaborators as possible.At first I thought it was super sad and made me angry, but then I realized it is the best way to get normies to learn about Veilid and use it eventually.Also, this is the best thread on /g/ right now. (Very easy to accomplish though)
>>106945069groom n' goon
>>106945294I think you really hit the nail on the head here with the topic-oriented / corporate-oriented dichotomy. The human-oriented model is only viable if someone is running it for free, aka paying so that we can have a good time, which will never happen in any meaningful capacity. Between the two viable alternatives, I would love the internet to become topic-oriented again.
>>106946243>Paying so we can have a good time which will never happen in any meaningful capacityPeople did and still run IRC servers for free, same with forums. Same with Catbox.moe (they do accept donations though).IRC at one point had around 200,000 users in the late 90s/early 00s if you add up all of the IRC networks at once.Matrix has millions and millions of users.Veilid is another good example.So what you're saying is demonstrably false.
>>106946359Sorry, I specifically meant the "social media" way of doing things, which uses up a lot more money. But maybe I'm wrong about that too. And thanks for citing Veilid. I had forgotten about them, now I might finally get on board.
I like the idea of people returning to IRC and forums. But what about Digital ID and inflitration attempts? I mean more and more communities have been gatekeeping "normies" for well into 15+ years now. What can be preventable measures to combat threat models to come or current ones that do exist today?
>>106946385Yeah I get what you're saying and I replied too hastily. I will just say the largest creations on the internet used to be run entirely for free.There's no reason networks at a massive scale can't be run by hobbyists for free or on donations.I think E-Hentai is another good example of something quite massive run entirely for free/on donations. However, the guy who runs it is literally probably a crypto billionaire at this point. I think the best way is to decentralize things like IRC did. I honestly need to try Matrix, but everyone says it sucks blah blah and to just use Discord.I feel like the issue isn't so much it's feasibility but people themselves these days. Pretty much all public Matrix instances have similar shitty rules to Discord though. I would run one with no rules other than no real CP or "true threats", if I thought people would use it.I would prefer to wait until something truly uncensorable with 100% plausible deniability like Veilid takes off though. Then I don't have to worry about dealing with reports of illegal content and can just avoid it by not going to such places instead of being responsible for it by hosting it.>>106946404Veilid. Digital ID becomes meaningless even if you needed to ID to download the apps using it. However, you could just download from Gitlab and compile it yourself. This isn't likely to become an issue in the US though. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/25a97_5h25.pdfBut just saying, even if it did.Eventually open source phone OSes will be a thing too, there's already GraphineOS.
>>106946457*probably literally*GrapheneOS
>>106944787I don't know but I do know www.tincanapp.org will literally make your dick bigger
>>106944787Corpo and government activity will force a correction where things will localize again. Anti trust lawsuits against Google and Microshit might help so they don't get to default themselves into everything though
>>106946506I've seen that shilled here before, but it appears to be closed source and seems sketchy as hell.I searched very hard and could find no other info on it.If there was a web interface I could use I might give it a shot, but how would it be different than Discord in the end? Totally centralized and controlled by one company/person.>>106946584>Anti-trustNot going to happen and wouldn't really help anyway, because the issue is the current generation of people not caring enough. It would do nothing to fix Youtube etc.
>>106944787>everything is becoming unusable due to the prevalence of bots, AI slop, ads and other corporate activity>People will gravitate towards apps where the internet is a little bit less dead.Why did you post a screenshot of IRC, which died of exactly what you claim is killing the internet?
>>106946715>Why did you post a screenshot of IRC, which died of exactly what you claim is killing the internet?How? It died because everyone moved to Discord and it's too hard for zoomies to use. There is no AI shit, ads or corpo activity on IRC.Have you even used IRC?Also, how is it even AI's fault really? The issue is people going for the most convenient route which corpos have been better at providing. That and normies. Normies do not use IRC though.
>>106946715Every time some corpo tried to take over any IRC network the operators who ran the network rebelled and started their own network that everyone moved to.
>>106944787this thread is glowing harder than the sundiscord is essentially a honeypot for spooks. The app is straight up spyware, it scans your processes, the company keeps all chatlogs and process logs, and it's impossible to use anonymously, they'll ban you if you tryuse IRC over tor like a fucking adult and quit handing your data to nosy glowfags
>>106944787Discord? A proprietary platform? The future, nah don't think so
>>106944787>admitting that you use discord on the tech board>doubling down and calling it the future of the internetcommit an hero, OP
>>1069449945? 5 what, months? it's happening at light speed.>>106945017no, likely xmpp server + client of choice. matrix is also an option but its very bloated and their offering of a centralized .org connection hub is almost definitely a government honeypot. only problem is most xmpp clients suck ass. i was halfway involved in a project to improve one but it went nowhere. will likely kick back up once discord becomes any more enshittified. >>106945097chats under topics are literally just forums without having to hit the refresh button. however due to the archive-ability of forums it does make sense for some discussion to be in that format. After all, if it weren't for forums and reddit, what would feed the AI beast?>>106945318yeah kinda. it was never really ruined because it had never reached its honest potential in the first place. instead of people making tools that made web hosting more accessible, everyone guarded it like a secret and started service and hosting businesses instead, like geocities. you can argue that it was benevolent but at the end of the day it arbitrated necessary skills for people to learn and replaced it with blindly trusting someone else to do the internet stuff for them, and look where that got us. myspace was just a degraded geocities with a friends list and it got worse and worse from there.>>106946781this
>I've seen that shilled here before, but it appears to be closed source and seems sketchy as hell.Because it's an ongoing progressing project by a solo dev. I put updates weekly, just recently added fully hosted servers versus previously only user hosted servers were the only way to setup chat channels. I like shilling it here sometimes in the alpha pre-beta stages of development to see what happens.>I searched very hard and could find no other info on it.I've only ever posted it here and don't plan to pay for ads or serious marketing until it's reached a certain point in development.>If there was a web interface I could use I might give it a shot, but how would it be different than Discord in the end? Totally centralized and controlled by one company/person.There is a web interface. I think pic related might be you. It's very different from Discord as you can self host and the desktop client has integrated encryption functionality. You can go full schizo mode and self host a server where you only hand out the AES keys in-person to trusted people, or you can go full normie and just start your gayming clan channel.Also the software doesn't have built in spyware and isn't constantly scanning your system.
>>106946707Dammit >>106948470
are there any good IRC servers left?
irc is fucking bloated, tried it once, too complicated
>>106949236go back to using discord retard
>>106945017IRC never went anywhere.
>>106945294>small, donation-funded forums might be the future of the web. No ads, no bots, no corporate interest.These forums must also be *invite-only*.
>>106945096>I'm still using IRC with my bros.Based. Hopefully none of them ever propose moving to Discord. That thinking is like a cancer: it only needs to happen once and spreads quickly and mercilessly.
>>106945069Chatting with my boys on the typescript server
Jesus christ I hate zoomers.
>>106950545Don't use the Lord's name in vain, tranny.
>>106948470If I could just run it on my own VPS I would like it better. I would also like it better if it was on github, gitlab or something. I would actually consider using it then.
>>106948470>Also the software doesn't have built in spyware and isn't constantly scanning your system.Says the shady closed source app dev with their proprietary chat system
please be bait
