Since signal relies on AWS and went down because of it, are there any private messaging apps that don't? Maybe Briar, simpleX?
host xmpp at home with tor
>>106954253This + Matrix
>>106954253>>106954266only neets and trannies use those though.
Matrix is decentralized and resists this kind of outage
>>106954231telegram works fine
>>106954663telegram would go down if their datacenter went down, it's also shitty
>>106954231Briar, Session, Jami, Simplex, MatrixIn no particular order, these are the current best private messengers. Nothing comes close.Which exactly is superior is highly debatable, because they all are flawed, each in it's own way. Research each one of them, try them, compare, pick the one that suits you best>>106954663>telegramenjoy your messages being read by that russian twink Durov ;)
>>106954231Yes. It's called pen and paper. You won't find it in the app store.
>>106954663Telegram isn't private
>>106954699>enjoy your messages being read by that russian twink Durov ;)I would rather trust a stoic larper slavic autist than your glowies
>>106954750ok Pavel, sure I will install your app and send my girl dick pics so that you may enjoy them too :)
Session tbqh.Durov is sketchy and Telegram servers are hosted in UAE which is essentially an FSB playground.Matrix meanwhile was created by Amdocs Limited, an Israeli telecommunication corporation that was accused of spying by both the CIA, NSA and the South African intelligence.
>>106954253I do it with snikket, but it gets confusing as to which xmpp extensions to enable. do u use prosodu, ejabberd, snikket, or something else entirely?
>>106955442session calls only work like 5% of the time, though. and it sucks for actually messaging because delivery doesnt always go through. message someone and it doesnt go through for 2 hours. lol garbage and a crypto scam on top of that.
>>106954699session is a loki crypto memesimplex doesnt even use PFS lol
>>106955759prosodyXEP-0045: Multi-User Chat: AvailableXEP-0054: vcard-temp: AvailableXEP-0077: In-Band Registration: Not availableXEP-0163: Personal Eventing Protocol: AvailableXEP-0163: #publish-options: AvailableXEP-0191: Blocking Command: Available (urn:xmpp:blocking)XEP-0198: Stream Management: Available (urn:xmpp:sm:3)XEP-0258: Security Labels in XMPP: Not available (urn:xmpp:sec-label:0)XEP-0280: Message Carbons: Available (urn:xmpp:carbons:2)XEP-0313: Message Archive Management: Not availableXEP-0398: Avatar Conversion: AvailableXEP-0411: Bookmarks Conversion: AvailableXEP-0402: Bookmarks Compat: AvailableXEP-0402: Bookmarks Compat PEP: Available
>>106956626thanks senpai :)
>>106955938SimpleX uses PFS. Session doesn't.But even if you have PFS, as soon as your key (device) is compromised, they're going to have all your old messages anyway.
>>106956626>available>Not available>available>Not availableWow, I LOVE fragmentation, installing xmpp and matrix right now
conversations vs. monocles (droid)?siskin vs monad (ifruit)?dino vs gaim (troonix)?
>BriarIt's good if you don't need the following>video calls>voice calls>voice messages
The new and upcoming underdog www.tincanapp.org
>>106959491>XMPP memeI fucking love FRAGMENTATION!!!!! :)
>>106959759you would enjoy fragmentation of your anal cavity, wouldn't you?
>>106954231apple push notification service runs on aws. all messaging apps on iphone will stop working when aws is down.
>>106954231Jami
>>106960106I would indeed, but unfortunately for you, that feature is not implemented in your client
>>106955938>session is a loki crypto memeSo, what of it? It's encrypted, leaks almost no metadata, and requires no personal information to use. The NSA could be running the servers/"nodes" (they are) and all they'd get about you is how many messages you recieve per day, not even from who
>>106954231host nextcloud and use nextcloud talkit also supports federation
>>106954663Telegram isn't private messaging. Authorities are able to see your chats.
wechat.
>>106954231worked fine for me. was just a bit slow at times
>>106959491conversationsmonadgajim
>>106954266>let's trust the company who installed spyware in the white house during the clinton admin to make our chat applications without ever looking at the source.your nose glows so bright, won't you guide my sleigh tonight?
>>106962281>Authorities are able to see your chats.they are not
>>106954253>xmppConsidered harmful
>>106963360source?
>>106954231There are probably some that use some other cloud service but in the end you're relying on a third party server unless you're doing something like selfhosting matrix. Which is actually not a terrible idea if you're after independence from third parties. YOU are responsible for uptime though which sucks.
>>106963059not OP, but doesnt gajim have less security features than dino?
>>106963894>Which is actually not a terrible idea if you're after independence from third parties.that's a terrible idea for a mobile device. keeping a connection open to your special snowflake service will kill your battery. both google and apple banned this for apps on their stores.
>>106955759>Snikket's server component uses Prosody plus a handful of custom modules for specific featuresjust don't be retarded
>>106963859soatok.blog/2024/08/04/against-xmppomemo/
>>106963859just like the orange ledditors anti-pgp stance, much ado about nothing, pushing glowie signal etc
>>106965389No retard you just poll it every 30 minutes or something
>>106965531snikket has push that lets your device know when to poll server for notification info (it's not passing content in push like the huge signal fuckup recently), battery life pretty much unaffected
>>106965531you cannot do this. background processes are restricted and will get killed due to battery considerations.
>>106965549graphene only calls google's push notification service efficient
>>106965483this post is retarded from a signal shill furry, also a lot of people have good rebuttals https://www.moparisthebest.com/tim-henkes-omemo-response.txt
>>106965803who gives a fuck what schizo thinks
>>106965825that's not much of a rebuttal but just some justification for their retarded choices.signal's the-ecosystem-is-moving philosophy is the only sane choice.https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/
>>106965549>it's not passing content in push like the huge signal fuckup recentlysignal doesn't do this
>>106965825yeah the campaign of FUD against xmpp/pgp aimed at normies is absurdly obvious, just use signal bro, ignore that our super secret communicator was sending all our super secret chats in plain text through apple/google push servers all this time, we're safer than omemo/pgp kekke
>>106965927it used to until the news broke, so all those anti-pgp/omemo shills got their victims, it was a huge honeypot and still is, muh quantum encryption, oops lets send content to push servers in plaintext
>>106965939>we need to develop quantum encryptionin the meantime my pgp encrypted emails from 20 years ago are still safe while our quantum cracking is full of shit:>This paper presents implementations that match and, where possible, exceed current quantum factorisation records using a VIC-20 8-bit home computer from 1981, an abacus, and a dog. We hope that this work will inspire future efforts to match any further quantum factorisation records, should they arise.https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2025/07/cheating-on-quantum-computing-benchmarks.html
>>106965939this never happened. eod.
>>106954547>neetsawesome then it should work for you>tranniestwo birds one stone?
>>106963342Telegram doesn't work. I don't use it like that.
Bump
You could always try hosting your own matrix instance.
>>106960316>apple outsourcing their services when they have unlimited moneygrim
>>106954699>Simplexhttps://www.reddit.com/r/SimpleXChat/comments/1n85wsr/whats_simplexs_team_approach_to_csam_and_chat/>we will comply with chat control, if it passes, but it probably won't so you have nothing to worry about ;) And NO, we will NOT withdraw from the EU like those crazy Signal guys claim that they will.Do you really think a venture capital funded polish jew will save you? If you do, it's too late for your bloodline.
>>106954231host it yourself
>>106966703ahhaha
>>106954266I want to get into matrix, can you recommend a starting point? Linux/Windows?
