Steinberg changes VST3 licensing to MIThttps://forums.steinberg.net/t/vst-3-8-0-sdk-released/1011988https://github.com/steinbergmedia/vst3sdk/commit/9fad977CLAP and open source won
Nice, this is huge for music and audio production.
Didn't click but might not be legal to relicense unless they had some sort of contributor agreement giving him ownership
>>106981810dumb retard
>>106980867Do they still have that obnoxious dual licensing where you need to sign your life away if you want to make anything paid/private?When they first offered an "open source" license, it was restrictive to the point of being nearly useless.
>>106980867Literally who.
>>106982762>wait guys, this is actual technology and not fortinte/porn
>>106981810The creator can have as many licenses as he wants. He can even have individual license agreements with each consumer. Creator can change license agreements at any point.You are a retard.
What does this mean for non-programmers?
>>106982823It means nothing to both programmers and non-programmers.
>>106982746Well I'll be damned.Guess they finally pulled their heads out of their asses and realized their draconian licensing was hurting them.
>>106981810>>106982776The creator can change the license in anyway he wants. But if it was licensed under the GPL and there were external contributors, the project will not be able to change the license, unless all that code is removed OR the contributors specifically allowed the project to relicense the code they contributed.I would never contribute to a project that requires me to do that. GPL gives freedom to everyone and I won't allow the owner to relicense my code to a proprietary or permissive license. I'm not writing code voluntarily just so a corporation can distribute it under a proprietary license and not contribute back.
>>106980905Nothing even uses VST3 anymore since like 2008, it would be like Microsoft open sourcing the AVI format
>>106982881>there were external contributorsI highly doubt there was. It was still subject to their awful proprietary license if you made a single cent from it, which wouldn't be practical without all devs being under their umbrella.
>>106982990>Nothing even uses VST3 anymoreWhat the fuck else do people use?I thought adoption was low simply because VST2 was preferred.
>>106982990>it would be like Microsoft open sourcing the AVI formatthe AVI file format specification was "open source" from the start
>>106983012Yes and Microsoft "open sourcing" it now would have the same effect as Steinberg "open sourcing" VST3
>>106983011it's bullshit, devs had no choice but to use vst3 ever since vst2 was killed
>>106980867>>106980905It's a nothingburger.VST2 is the only interface that matters, and they literally killed it successfully. This is one of the biggest software scams of the century, and it's messed up how there's no legal way to get around it.
>>106983648What's wrong with 3?
>>106983699Nobody asked for it. Everything already supports 2, and it just works. They killed it by force even though everybody was happy with 2. The universal adoption was the point of the whole thing.2 uses fewer resources too as far as I know.Oh and 3 also makes my 10 year old DAW unstable as fuck.
>>106982774That does not answer my question.
>>106985001You have two hands, ten fingers and a google to fuck off and knock yourself.
>>106980867>CLAPDidn't find out about this until now. How does it compare to VST?Have wanted to try making a synth plugin for a while, but always hated steinberg's terms. Turns out my DAW supports CLAP as well so I'm wondering if it's a better choice.
>>106983011That person is lying. A bunch of devs had to use VST3 because eventually Steinberg made it so if you didn't sign a contract agreement with them, you couldn't use the VST2 SDK for distributing plugins.This is really good news and shows CLAP forced their hand to improve.
I thought this was some sort of high quality VST collection.so are there any good VST's that are under MIT?
>>106985983Practically none of the good ones are MIT licensed.There are lots of great free VSTs though (as in free beer).
>>106985983Airwindows
>>106986915based
>>106982990>Nothing even uses VST3 anymore since like 2008Huh? Almost every new major virtual instrument and effect I see now has a VST3 version, including Kontakt 8, Reaktor 6, FM8, EastWest Opus, Pianoteq, etc.Pianoteq 9 just came out last week and it doesn't even have a VST2 version anymore like Pianoteq 8 did.
>>106985983Now there's a better chance that more things will be released under MIT.Juce and a lot of audio processing code are GPLv3. You could keep your core in MIT but had to license the entire plugin as GPL. Not sure if Juce is going to change after this.
>>106982990* nobody WANTS to use VST3, but devs use it anyways because Steinberg will literally sue and DMCA those who don't "upgrade".Source: I received a Steinberg DMCA for a VST2 plugin. OK, it's a special case because it's open source, but the point is that they have zero problems deliberately sabotaging audio devs
thank fuck>>106983699my only complaints were the licensing (no longer a problem) and the fact renoise 2.8 does not support it
>>106985805It's designed by devs and probably a better investment since it's not controlled by Steinberg. The interface itself is the least important part, start working on making plugins and learn that later
>>106989974>I received a Steinberg DMCA for a VST2 pluginjust ignore it
>>106980867WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO HUGE VICTORY FOR UUUUHHHHHHHuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhoh wait nobody uses VST3 except steinberg themselves because it's a fucking piece of shit lol
>>106987122>Huh? Almost every new major virtual instrument and effect I see now has a VST3 versionyes and nobody actually uses it
>>106980867>they put it under the cuck licensetime to make a legally distinct fork they can't sue anyone over
>>106989974>sue and DMCA???under what agreement?>the Steinberg VST 3 Plug-In SDK Licensing Agreement that you have to sign if you want to develop or host VST 3 plug-ins.So it's not MIT then
>>106980867>Stein(((berg)))I have no idea what any of this is but I do know that's a jew.
>>106982776>The creatorWithout a CLA that would be everyone who's contributed, not just the BDFL or original author. If you change the license without a CLA you're violating the copyright of the other contributors.
>>106992106They only deleted the old license 4 days ago. They must have missed that line.
>>106992130dumb retard
>>106980867it's still a GPL compatible license, and a permissive license like this will let others abuse it and hold their improvements hostage, a sane choice for something like this would be lgpl
>>106992130>>106992173They don't accept third party contributions.
>>106991637most of my library is still vst2 as well, i didn't see any improvements with the introduction of vst3 at all. MPE is a tech demo meme
>>106992242>MPEanyone who touts MPE as the second coming of Jesus isn't a musician, just a salesmani guarantee that those who shill it the most are the ones who use it the least>waow it's like per-note aftertouch!!!!when WAS the last time you used the aftertouch?
