Despite being overtaken by faggots, debian and its derivatives like ubuntu are still the only distros worth using on a server if you don’t want to suck Red Hat’s dick (or its’ clones’ dicks). For all the talk of “Linux is a server OS, not a desktop OS”, it seems like 99% of Linux enthusiasm is about desktop oriented shit like arch or fedora. How do we fix this?
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>>106987827I'm still using windows CE 7.0
>>106987827Ubuntu made Linux a desktop OS in 2004. I still hold a grudge against Red Hat for ending home support one month after I paid for a year of it. (Before Fedora existed they offered home support for RHEL.)
>>106988224how was i using linux as my desktop os years before that?libranet beat ubuntu to the punch, btw. adminmenu made it easy for anyone.
>>106988256I was too. I mean Ubuntu made Linux accessible to normies... or at least anyone capable of installing Windows.
>>106987827It's a server OS? i just use it to play old games and watch anime instead
>>106987827I thought using debian as my main os, I mean it just makes sense, even apple uses annually big releases and so does M$ (21h2, 22h2 ...) But Linux evolved so much over the years, especially gayming and I need those kernel improvements, DE improvements and mesa updates. I read the debian docs and I suffer from shiny new thing syndrome and I would franken debian my system, because some things I wan't arent in the repo, so compiling from source + 3rd party repos. I love that debian is independend, but I love when a filthy company like Red Hat takes care of my security with secure boot ootb, SELinux, firewall etc... so yeah, opensuse and fedora are my go to distros.
>>106988295Oops, ESL'd too much again.
there is literally nothing wrong with red hat
>>106988104Itty-bitty-fippy-bippy!
>>106988275libranet did exactly that but the danzigs didn't have the marketing budget and reach of shuttlesworth. it was pure kino and had a very good community.
>>106988333Ch-ch-checked.
>>106987827People who mainly use Linux to get actual work done on servers are usually less interested in ricing the heckin flavor of the month window manager. I agree that Debian is the best choice.Desktop Linux enthusiasm is the nerd equivalent of women painting their nails and gluing crystals on them and shit and showing them off to each other.
>>106988340>the danzigsThe what?>>106988356If it wasn't for being part of a community that eventually ended up creating some AI powered wallpaper colour extractor to create shell themes matching wallpapers I probably wouldn't be in tech right now. Saying that I eventually just started putting up scrots of i3 + semi-transparent terminals just to mess with them.
>>106987827>worth using on a serverdebian is "stable" because there is no fucking maintainers left lmao and the ones left are mentally unstable anyways.it's full of CVEs everywhere and any serious company that has been tracking them is extremely seriously considering switching to alma or rocky at this point.I manage/find/fix CVEs for a living, debian security/safety in big 2k25 is abysmal, it has been banned from any deployed hardware for every product line at my company, avoid it like the plague for your server.troons forced out most maintainers, they just started a big campaign to recruit people, I've even received mails from debian people because I've dealt with some maintainers years ago, they're incredibly desperate to find idiots to do this fucking job for free.fuck them, troons killed it, it has to die now.I'd rather suck ibm dick than woman penis, atleast they deliver an actually useful product.
>>106988224>still hold a grudge against Red Hat for ending home support one month after I paid for a year of it.kek i remember you from years ago. let it go mate, you got scammed, happens.>>106988295>new thing syndromeyou got der gaymer, inoperable.
>>106988688john danzig and his sons at libranet. don't you know any history deeper than the top 3 biggest distros?
>>106988767are things really that bad or just FUD larp? on the surface or not so deep, debian seem as good as the other big two.
>>106988847I genuinely don't. I don't even know where I would bump into that and I'll admit I never really looked into the history of Linux that much. Only deep lore I know is that Ian got iceboxed for resisting the troonification and systemd.Can you hit me up some nuggets, unc?
>>106988983well, it's not worth digging back into, i just figure anyone who "was there back then" would have kept up with all kinds of linux news/happoonings and known about libranet. at the time it was maybe microrevolutionary. it was easy for noobs to install, and had their own thing called adminmenu that somewhat automated lots of various tasks and configs. otherwise it was pretty much stock debian with a custom icewm for the de. it drew a pretty strong crowd because it was so good for people who weren't coders or general ubernerds to be able to get linux on their boxes with everything working. it would get mentions on slashdot. i found it just from searching about linux as a beginner with interest.
>>106987827>servernegro pls, debian belongs on my desktop, stable, reliable and slow moving; the way a lazy fuck like me prefers.
>>106989107Damn, I only got as far as slackware, maybe the communities I hang out on back then were just too toxic. And I mean actually insidiously toxic and not the nu-age tossic. Thanks.
>>106988104what about ZFS?
>>106989203well to me back then slackware looked like too much trouble to get installed and working on all of my hardware so i didn't even bother. i was new to computers altogether and heard about linux and wanted to try it, so started searching and reading. to put even that in perspective, i think back then i used alta vista and dmoz for searching. i had never had or used a computer before at all, but one of the first books i bought told about linux and i immediately wanted to try it. i got a book with a red hat disk and tried it briefly, and can't even remember anything about it, but discovered libranet and it was as close to perfect for me as it got. being curious i also tried mandrake and suse back then. mandrake was sold in a box at a local game store even. and i had read the back of that box which helped increase my interest in trying linux. anyway, out of everything i tried, libranet was the easiest and most satisfying, and i used it until jon died and then i moved to pure debian ever since (every rare now and then i try other things like fedora, and did try ubuntu years ago too). i still look at slackware with a bit of awe, it's always been a symbol of users that are superior in knowledge and ability to mine.
>>106989203>>106989319oh, i just remembered an interesting one from the history back then, and i did try it. some other rich faggot tried to do a project with the goal of a linux that ran windows programs called lindows (he got sued my ms for that name, too). it was total ass, but big news at the time, getting any updates mentioned in slashot and cnet (cnet was a huge tech new site back then and not the absolute pile of garbage it's been for the last couple of decades or so). the guy was the owner of mp3 dot com.
>>106989319Yeah that's why I never went into Slackware or Gentoo as well. Tried Gentoo as well but I just gave up because I have things to do and money is harder to come by now. Interesting tidbit, thanks.
>>106989372gentoo became the ultimate of that in my mind, then slackware, then arch. i agree with you, you have to have a good reason for *investing* all of that time in minutia. being an actual coder and needing such levels of understanding of these machines is a great reason, but i'm just a computer user who hates megacorps.
>>106989176based
>>106988104>>106988104>an AI generated answer>NASASo two fake things
>>106988935You would probably have to work for a company running Debian or work at Debian itself to know for sure, but since debian 7.0, they have seemingly had a shit load of security problems. https://www.cvedetails.com/version-list/23/36/1/Debian-Debian-Linux.htmlNow I tihnk muh trannies is fud the way /g/ spams it however debian does have a ridiculous obsession with DEI hires and I have seen the job/intern postings myself to confirm it, where they literally will have an intern posting that demands you be some flavor of nigger-faggot to qualify. I don't use it as a server, only as dekstop OS, and as a desktop OS (been using it since 7.0 myself) it has been doing nothing but improving. But anon could be telling the truth, and even I myself, based on what I've seen, expect an eventual decline in debian just because there's no way to just transify your team into a bunch of crippled mystery meat faggots and not eventually face repercussions from just a lack of competent individuals since you've narrowed your hiring pool down to like a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the population. (must be a coder, must be a good coder, must be a nigger, must be a homosexual nigger who can code well) good luck trying to create a giant team full of people like that
>>106989685https://archive.is/9XCTp
>>106989176tsmt /threaddebian is THE universal operating system, after all
>>106989755this strikes me as a very reasonable, and in fact likely perfectly accurate, line of thinking. i remember seeing the redhat ceo talking about his dei policies a few years ago, too. with those two having so much influence over the entire linux ecosystem, both directly and indirectly, including lots of mystery "supply chain" microaspects, it seems it's all ultimately doomed without a major power shift throughout the entire "movement". rms declared himself to be the last survivor of a dying thing, and there's probably a substantial amount of truth in the notion.
>>106989372>>106989469slackware really showed how much time could be saved and it laid the group for other binary package based distros.even today its pretty cool to boot a fresh slackware install and find that almost everything you'd ever need is already installed by default and you can start compiling different languages from the start with libraries already there etc. or just watch a movie and listen to some music.slackware has not changed much all this time. there is a good builds repository called slackbuilds which has developed and grown considerably over the last 20 years.its primitive but it never disappoints with hardware support and it usually just works.very little or almost no automation to speak of.gentoo is totally different. gentoo is like freebsd deluxe but with the linux kernel.why freebsd? because of portage. it works extremely well when taken care of.source based distros changed forever when gentoo/emerge was developed. it saves so much time through heavy automation. i've recently used the freebsd ports system and pkgsrc from netbsd and they don't measure up to portage on gentoo.overall, gentoo is 21st century and slackware is 20th and it shows in how you operate them.slackware has that old car feel. it works well and the engine is brand new but all the tools and interior are old school and there is no computer chip in the car. its a luddite's dream.
I hate seeing zoomers on here everyday acting like Linux is somehow 'smart' and 'hard to use except for real computer guys'it's baby mode and has been for 10 yearsanyone who has been here for a while knows there was a HUGE uptick of debian posting when debian finally bent the knee and included wifi drivers in their install mediaand also more Arch users since they have graphical install now (making Arch the most embarrassing distro to use, it used to be a flex now it's safe to assume that it's a poser)
Help, Debian is being overtaken by OP.
>>106990839Most zoomers don't even own a computer so by definition the overton window has shifted to "Installing an OS = God mode computer programmer"
