>PC the size of a 3 slices of breadWhy have you not taken the minipcpill?
>>106987959>taller than 1URIPt. uses a rack mounted dell optiplex micro
>>106987959Had one, it ran hot as fuck.
Bretty gud
>>106988053Did yours not have a fan? Most do run hot under load but nothing that should exceed 80C>>106988042>>106988061Based minichads
>>106987959I have squares to spare, that's why
I use a 12v mini industrial fanless pc as my daily computer. It was originally going to go in my car.
>>106987959I'm waiting for the ones that can run fanless to get better. I don't think there have been too many improvements in Intel CPUs like that in the past couple of years though.
The soldered ITX boards are better.
>>106987959I need to be able to use a powerful enough GPU for Blender.
>>106987959Put your hand on it.
>>106988097No fan. What's the point of a mini PC with a fan? At that point just go mini ITX.
dumb thread just begging to get usecase?'d
>>106987959Because I can actually afford to run real enterprise hardware, pleb
>>106987959My PC being small doesn't really help me in any way.
>>106988183Next excuse?
Is Beelink the only decent mini PC brand?Any anons here have experience with GMKtec, Minisforum, Bosgame or Trigkey?
>>106987959if I wanted a small computer, I'd just get a laptop
>>106988345Laptop is reserved for MacBooks only as anything else is complete dogshit.
>>106988360>Laptop is reserved for MacBooks only as anything else is complete dogshit.Just don't install modern Windows and the dogshit part fades away.
>>106987959I have. Makes a good garage pc.
>>106987959I did in 2020, bought an M73 Tiny and upgraded the CPU to a 45-watt Xeon and the RAM to 16GB.The PC in your image is a piece of shit though if I had to guess, because it very likely uses a soldered laptop-style CPU. I also highly doubt you can upgrade the RAM.
>>106988282>GMKteci have the n100 plus modelit ran minecraft on a fresh install of windows, on max settings, over 100fpsim using it as my NAS now since i got a mac miniliterally $100 or something so youd have to have a reason *not* to buy one and have it on hand
>>106988257not the anon you replied to but at that point you might as well have a minitower
>>106988387The pic related in OP is>GMKtec Gaming Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 8845HS(Upgraded 8745HS) 64GB DDR5 1TB SSD Desktop Computer OCuLink, HDMI2.1, USB4.0, Dual NIC 2.5G, K8 PlusCosts around $600 USD
>>106988399>radeon 780M still gets crushed by the 5-year-old $300 Xbox Series S GPUkek
>>106988419>Mini PC for high end gamingAre you retarded? That's what game consoles are for not PCs
>>106988369yeah, just the battery is dogshit then
>>1069885184 teraflops is not exactly a high bar to clear. The Series S is also quite small.
Whats a good mini pc that can play Wuthering Waves?
>>106988524Avoid Intel and their dogshit CPU boosting algorithm. Ryzen is much better in this regard.
>>106988395The mini tower will be at least twice as tall and twice as deep.
i have, they arent as monumental as gtards would have you believe. they have the thermal characteristics of laptops and the throttling that comes with it. minimal exansion options. i would t invest too much into them but im proud of you for exanding your home network
>>106988610doubt.lots of mini ITX cases out there.
>>106988108what was the car idea? >>106988217oooo>>106987959thinking I might get two Beelink EQ14 as they're pretty cheap atm, one as firewall and one as server
>>106988597Avoid Intel.Go with any Mini PC that has a Radeon 680m or 780m iGPU.Currently I'm about to purchase this>Beelink Mini PC SER5 MAX with AMD Ryzen 7 6800H, 32GB LPDDR5 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD, DP/HDMI/Type-c Triple Display Output,WiFi6, BT5.2, W-11 Mini ComputerFrom footage I've seen the radeon 680m can get you up to 60 fps in Wuwa depending on settings.
>>106988695The miniITX will be twice as tall and far more complex to assemble. I've been down this road before but don't take my word for it.
>>106988712I'll look into it, thanks for the tip!
>>106988600Ryzen laptop still have shit batteryIm on a Lenovo p14s and the battery life is 4 hours tops, more likely 2 and a half, if I disconnect all connections and just write txt i can maybe push 6that sucks (and its with the low power screen) tempted to get an ARM laptop or give up on laptops all together
>>106988737who the fuck gives a fuck about battery life, are you using your laptop in the park? even planes have outlets now you have literally no need for battery just plug it in
WHHOO, manufactures reasonably good quality low wattage PSU's that aren't obscenely expensive? I have an old am4 motherboard sitting here with an apu, i'd love to turn it into my little server /youtube pc, and ideally give it only what it needs power wise. will probably get a tiny micro atx case for it too, it's in a full tower case from its last usage.
>>106987959thermal status?My 8840HS stinkpad reaches 50℃ under maximum load. Can't imagine this mini-e-waste does any better.
>>106988805These little fucks sit around 45-55C at load but do bounce up to 70-80C if you're using the iGPU as well.They are pretty great honestly if you want something small, instead of a 30 pound suitcase sized tower PC.
>>106988718i also have been down the road, so to speak. thats why I commented - the minipc and dock are bulky, cooling is sub-optimal. I have a minipc (old HP EliteDesk) as my home theater box, I have an old Intel Mac Mini for messing around, and I have a full tower HP workstation with dual Xeons. And over the last 40 years have built many PCs with some Shuttle boxes being my old time favorites.i get that its a neat thing and actually have considered one (minipc+dock) but keep going back to the flexibility of just buying or building something in a small case to accommodate GFX card and decent desktop CPU.Sure it will be a little bigger but will be serviceable and upgradeable.
i bought one for my father, his usage of the computer is basically opening firefox in kubuntu to watch youtube. works well for that
back in 2008 or 2009 my grandma got oneWas great little thing I was able to play the Sims 3 and Spore on itmuch better than our computer at home
>>106988835>They are pretty great honestly if you want something small, instead of a 30 pound suitcase sized tower PC.indeed. i've been looking at the latest crop of minipcs with an eye towards retiring my >>106988859 HP tower, which weighs in at 68 lbs as configured. I don't need this thing for what I do day to day, it's better to convert it to a server.
>>106988835What if I want something small and good?I have a laptop if I want some igpu thing
>>106988859Honestly anon, if I had a man cave room to myself I would probably not even bother with it. I just didn't want an obnoxious tower dominating my desk and I have no space on the floor due to the under the table lockers on either side of me. I used to have bookshelves speakers but not anymore. The older I get the less distractions I tolerate.
>>106987959I still have my NUC5i5ryh anon.
>>106987959because these things cook themselves to death within 1-2 years and that's also why the manufacturers release like 20 versions of them every 6 months
>>106988915i'm blessed to have my own home office/hobby room. the old tower is mounted to the underside of my desk with an industrial duty mount.but it's old, a little noisy, consumes a lot of power (2x Xeon E5-2697 v4 so 36 cores total and 128GB of RAM), and as i am now retired it's never used to it's potential any longer. almost anything i buy will far outperform it's single-core speed and be much quieter.so i keep shopping for a replacement but cannot commit to buying anything because of decision paralysis.>>106988915>The older I get the less distractions I tolerate.dittoi'm off to put another coat of paint on some trim
>>106988764if I buy a laptop I care about battery life
>>106987959Disingenuous, because the power supply is one copy of Lord of the Rings.
>>106987959Used market is still in its infancy, so you cant get a powerful system for under $100.
>>106988597Look for ones with external Thunderbolt 3/4, USB4, or Oculink and make sure those support eGPU. Cause the mini PCs have great CPU, but GPUs are weak, but if you ever want to upgrade, GPU upgrade will be the best, so you want the eGPU port for easy access. Ofcourse you can use m.2 nvme slot for eGPU as well, but thats archaic and requires you to wire inside the case. Better to have external Oculink > Thunderbolt/USB4 that supports eGPU.
>>106988282>GMKtecI've been running one for 6 months.The default fan settings were pure retardation but since the initial config it's running just fine.
>>106989191I see. Last I checked years ago, eGPUs couldn't use 100% of the GPU's potential, has that been fixed?
>>106989215It doesn't matter because PCIe 5+ is the standard now. PCIe 5 x 4, thats what Oculink uses for ex, provides 16 GB/s bandwidth. Thats same as PCIe 3.0 x 16 slot. Or PCIe 4 x 8. So basically bandwidth issue is minimal. With a Ryzen 8000 series 8c+ CPU, you'd get ~80-90% of the performance of your GPU for the most case gaming. That is still 5X more GPU power than iGPU will provide. And if you're doing Blender or AI or Crypto mining work, this is mostly a non-issue.
>>106988764well then what is the point of the battery at all?
>>106989268Thank you for the update.
>>106987959MiniPCs legitimately feel like admitting defeat. I'm dead serious.I've always had a desktop, I've always had the space for a desktop and any serious consideration for a miniPC means some aspect of my life is being downgraded if I feel it's necessary.
>>106987959bought one for my parents, it cost less than one month of their cable bill so they're going to cancel it and buy more for their other tvsi feel proud of my piracy family
kneel
>>106989765BASED APPLE CHADDDDDDS
>>106989747Did the same thing as you anon. Cancelled the cable and got a couple $40 Amazon FireTV sticks with Stremio/Piratebay/FreeUSATV added on.Here in Canada the cocksuckers have a monopoly on ISPs so the cable was around $100 a month, rip off.
>>106987959my network port died in a lightning strike and if I didnt have a full tower there'd be no good way to add another port and no shitty usb is not good enough
>>1069893381. Being able to be plugged in almost all the time doesn't mean it's plugged in all the time, you don't want it to be completely turned off when carrying from place to place and it needs power in sleep mode. It's still a portable device.2. Acts as a built in UPS3. Acts as an emergency power supply for if you need to do something quick in the car for whatever reasonBut 99%of people arent hiking in the siberian tundra while holding the laptop in one hand and gaming at the same time and thus don't need 18 hours of battery life it's so utterly stupid stupid who people go >only 4 hours of battery life? FUCKING WORTHLESS while pretending they are ever in a situation where they don't have access to an outlet for more than 4 hours and need to use their laptop that entire time
>>106989919>network port died in a lightning strike? Do you not have surge protectors? Or was that a bolt from fucking Zeus himself lmao
>>106989956kek most surge "protectors" are simple MOVs that won't do shit if lightning hits your feed anywhere near your home.
>>106988737>if I disconnect all connections and just write txt i can maybe push 6That's on Windows right?
>>106990059aw shit really that blows anon. thankfully I've never had one directly hit my tool shed.
>>106990059lightning jumps an air gap of like a milewhat do you think ANY surge protector can do to stop that voltage in the space of less than a foot?
I'm thinking about buying a couple of these to run Plasma Bigscreen and Waydroid apps. Will they handle it well enough?
>>106990180i don't think any consumer grade surge protector is worth a damn, thats why i commented on them. i think you meant your comment for >>106989919i use APC SMT1000 UPS for my desktop and it's attached stuff, an APC SUA1500 for my server stuff, and two APC BackUPS XS 1500s, one for the LAN/WAN gear (cable modem and router) and one for my home theater, plus my wifes office has an APC BackUPS Pro 1350 S and i don't think for a moment any of them would survive or block a lightning strike that fed into my house. They do protect from voltage "swings" and of course power outages. i live in the sticks (literally bears wander through my yard) and while power problems are infrequent they do happen.i got on the UPS bandwagon when i lost a WRT54G router and a Seasonic power supply to a transformer that blew up in a neighborhood i used to live in.
>>106988053no they don't. if they run hot it's because the fan and heatsink are clogged with dust, or because the thermal paste has dried up.put some PTM (chinese ptm is just as good) instead of thermal paste, and clean the dust out.with those fixes mine is able to handle over 2x the original TDP. it was supposed to be a 15w processor but now it draws 40w at full load without throttling.
>>106990370doubt
>>106990558i happen to be compressing some videos right now so i can take a screenshot
I'm on a beelink right now. It's pretty good for 300$. But I only got it because I don't feel like taking out a loan for an actual computer right now.
>>106990335yes I meant it for the guy you replied to
>tempted to get rid of all my desktop PC hardware forever and just get a Strix Halo MiniPC for desktop, low power N100 tier miniPC and a USB enclosure for NAS plus laptop obviously.I mean it would be retarded and I'd lose a fair bit of performance particularly for gaming, but it's still tempting.
>>106987959I want high performance gaming pc to be the size of a smartphone and run on 5v, 15 wats tops. I want to just plug my phone into a docking station and play games at 1080p. The future is now, old man.
>>106988195If i could buy a mini itx board, that would be great.Every time I check on pc part picker there are always none.
>>106987959>all the noise, lack of upgradability, limited performance of a laptop>all the disadvantages of a desktop
For me, it's the mini mac
>>106987959>2 (Two) USB ports>1 USB-C>2 NIC (????)
>>106988282moom...
>>106988282apple
>>106990711>taking out a loan for an actual computer right now.do ameripoors really
>>106990764but you would gain SPACE
>>106991038When is moomay coming back bro..
>>106987959>>106988712Enjoy not receiving a single BIOS update ever.
nopeI own a big yard, big colonial and a big PCKill yourself immediately, bugmen
>>106991286I mean even on my current retardedly huge desktop I haven't receive a BIOS update since 2019
I've got a friend who wants to make a mini server to host all of minecraft on. He keeps sending me pcs he think would be a good idea, but they're all really low power or rank shittier on single thread performance than a i7-6700K.Is there such a mini computer that has better performance than a i7-6770K that's cheaper than his budget of $250-300?I keep thinking it's impossible, but I thought maybe some anons might know something.
>>106987959I have space under my desk for a massive PC case, and when I want a small puter, I have laptops for that, which don't require being hooked up to pretty much anything to be used.
>>106988387most of them use sodimm, not soldered ramt. got one and upgraded it to 96 GB
beelink EQR5 has an unfixed firmware bug that makes it sometimes hang after waking from sleep. they have not updated the firmware a single time since launch. avoid these chinese shitters
>>106987959if computer be size of two 14cm fans where does computer fit in there
>>106992004>using sleep everthis is your own faulta fucking shitload of mobo manufacturers have problems with sleep, especially on linux because linux acts like they don't while i believe normally windows does something that nearly completely avoids hardware sleep features because of the problem
>>106987959Got a cheap NUC8i7HVK intel hades canyon/amd hybrid a couple of years ago. Oldie but goodie.
>>106988600just disable any intel feature runs cool and nice
>>106992023>it's actually no big deal that this feature that used to work no longer works, goy! you will own nothing and be happy!
>>106992091the feature has literally never workedand the few people i've talked to about firmware hacking here via custom ACPI have said that it's always been an absolute disasterdon't use sleep, don't use hibernate, don't use hybrid sleep, don't use fast boot, don't use anything like that
>>106988257How do you cool the gpu thoughever
>>106990873maybe try milling metal block size of phone and add three watt power resistor innit eventually very hot
>>106991017you can run squid server for kids computers with 2 ethernets and see what pron man checks out
I'd rather get a mini tower because getting a GPU or using it as a home server ends up looking retarded >>106988257t. m920q owner
>i want to build an inferior, overheating shit box instead of an actual PC
>>106987959I bought a second hand Thinkcentre m73 tiny with a i5 from 2013 in great condition for 40 euros, updated it with a 512gb SSD and put 16gb ddr3 ram. I'm running Windows 10 IoT LTSC 2021 on it.Plugged this shit into my 4K 65 inch TV with displayport. Instead of 4K 60Hz, I actually preferred to use it in 1080p 120Hz and I run all of my media on it, emulation up to Dreamcast works flawlessly and Xbox Game Pass streaming also works great.With the updates and cables it totalled out to 90 euros, couldn't be happier. Mini PCs are fucking awesome.
>>106987959>Why have you not taken the minipcpill?Because it has all the disadvantages of a desktop or laptop and none of the advantages.
>>106987959i have a steam deck thats good enough
>>106989737not everything requires a EATX tower with megalithic GPU and 1200W PSUa mini pc makes way more sense for a cheap firewall router or a file server the shittest AMD or Intel desktop is going to cost double, at least, and the power draw will be morethe only shit thing about mini PC is that some of the parts are likely trash and difficult to repair or replace
>>10698995318 hours of UPS sounds better than 3 or 4simply not having to look for an outlet is a benefit
>>106990068it's on windows true, but previously I found windows had better power management than debian
>>106992547It wasn't power management.It's Debian being a retarded concept which uses software that's 10 years old.100% it was just kernel not having drivers for your very new 5 year old laptop, not power management.
The pod life beckons you
>>106988257>t. m920qUnironically satisfying. Reminds me of the Hades Canyon NUC
>>106992131.
>>106988282ive seen people talk about minisforum online a bunch i assume those are good, a bunch off brands made machine this those new ayymd aimax chips too those all seem decent
>>106990059yes but might save your gear if lunatic neighbor run van den graaf or cs network over powerline
>>106988387i thought xeons didnt have intel integrated graphics? sounds cool though might pick one up i love xeons
>>106987959>can't adjust ram timings, power limits or even the fan speedyou can keep your lil shitbox, nigger
>>106987959I like big deskside cases so I'm corporate e-waste enjoyer.
>>106987959I like it big. Like my men
>>106992752id use that one as my case
>>106989765I wish the autist who reverse engineered the hardware to work with linux didn't have a meltdown and quit
>>106990764retarded consumer cattle
>>106992759unfortunately proprietary psu and proprietary front panel ports/buttons which have their own controller/firmware
behold
>>106990764buy one with one of those ryzen 9 375+ AI APUs. The same APU that AMD refuses to sell a desktop variant too even though everyone is salivating over it. It's an APU with a mid-range gpu that's approaching the one solitary fuck given tier.
>>106992759>>106992824I got a lenovo think centre with a nice case that I can't use because it's made specifically for lenovo mobos.
>>106992840didn't even check the mbo, always assumed it had atx compatible mounting holes minus the proprietary power connector
>>106987959>Talking about computer >WHILST THINKING ABOUT FOODWhy are Americans like this?
>>106987959The engineering sample versions are dirt cheap on ali tbf, in exchange there are zero microcode updates.Considered them myself, but went the slightly more costly desktop AM5 path instead due to future upgradability.>muh muh who needs moreIts basically laptop hardware in a small form factor: there are instances when its perfect, but mostly you are better off going with either a regular laptop or a desktop.>muh muh le occulink egpu maymaynot bad, but the 4x speeds will bite your ass in the long run
>>106987959kys shill
>>106991286>dead-end mobile platform with no apparent showstopper bug, upgrade option or locked feature>Chang flashes bios version: "4.20.justwerkz-final">MOMMA I CAN'T... UPDOOT...Windows handles microcode updates since the meltdown story... unless you got sketchy ES variant chips, which this isn't.
why not get a decent 13 inch laptop and a dock? you can get a little shelf to put your laptop/dock under and put the monitor ontop of the shelf so it takes up really no more extra space on your desk or floor. that way you have something you can take around
>>106993006>The engineering sample versions are dirt cheap on ali tbf, in exchange there are zero microcode updates.link?
>>106993214>battery bloats and explodes two years after buyingoop
>>106992511Not saying everything needs to be full sized desktop, but If I'm replacing my desktop with a miniPC, I'd have to question what went wrong.
>>106993222Saw similar listings to these a few weeks before, going for about 290 USD with shipping for the 8945HS ES variants.Seems like they raised the price since, and even sold out on other pages: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009930479584.htmlhttps://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008235925284.html
>>106992511>not everything requires a EATX tower with megalithic GPU and 1200W PSUi use a sapphire rapids xeon for watching youtube>>106993309still cool i love engineering sample stuff might pick one up
>>106992511>1200W PSUyou do realize that the power the psu can deliver isn't what it constantly consumes, correct?
>>106993263 My laptop battery is 10 years old hasn't exploded
>>106988282>Minisforumbought a 7945hx-based minipc from them (for a linux server, it was drawing 45w at idle). 3 weeks later it refused to POST so i sent it back. i still see reviews on their 7945hx products that same shit still happens, so their QC must be ass cheeks>GMKtecbought an N100 minipc from them solely for running as an opnsense router. seems to do the job, no complaints
>>106991826>better performance than a i7-6770K that's cheaper than his budget of $250-300?No. Maybe used on eBay.>>106992004My mini PC from AliExpress came with the dummy AMI platform key that is literally called "DO NOT TRUST", and I have no way of replacing it. Zero firmware updates.
>>106987959Why do they all come with SODIMM when most of them are more than large enough to fit real RAM?
>>106994765>"Why do chink manufacturers go the easy route for a CPU meant for mobile platforms instead of pandering for my retarded needs, sacrificing the price and size in the process???"lol, lmao even.
>>106991826I have no idea where you found a modern cpu with lower single core than that intel shitter from 10 years agoPretty much anything beats it other than the 5W garbage models that are like $100
>>106994904>implying these only come with N100sprojecting a bit too hard with the retarded needs kiddo
>>106990888minisforum sells ITX boards
>>106987959Bought a SER7, it died after 9 months, Beelink replaced it no trouble. New one has lasted, played through Cyberpunk 2077, RDR2 etc on it no problem, not top settings obviously but plenty good for 1080p.Now i've fixed it to the back of my monitor and put Omarchy on it. It's really nice.
>>106987959I don't think my 5090 would fit in that.
>>106995455>sir7
>>106987959I have. My Beelink SER8 works flawlessly and I don't miss my old ATX tower one bit.Modern dGPUs are basically a Ponzi scheme.
>>106995593Thank you! Owning more than that level of compute should be limited to registered and monitored professionals.
>>106987959I use mini-itx for my NAS server, the excuse being that it is headless and easily transported if I need to. My main computer is a behemoth by design with two video cards for VFIO and, so far, six drives in it. And if I could I'd have pic related as my case.
>>106995608Unironically yes. Letting normalfags owning computers was a mistake.How are things in India btw?
>>106992565Go back fighting AUR breaches.
>>106987959I'm seriously considering it if the next iteration of Oculink is enough to handle high tier GPU bandwidth. Even then, I would still rather have better cooling for my CPU
>>106992105what do you think is attached to the gpu, anon?
>pay more to get less>less upgradability>worse deal than a laptop
>>106996115A mini pc but I don't see how that helps
>>106996134Do you also upgrade your body to look more feminine?
>>106996250
>>106987959I don't see the use case. It's not portable enough to carry around like a laptop. It's going to always be sitting in one spot anyway. Why not just get a tower that can fit beefy hardware inside of it?
>>106996271Blast from the past....
>>106988282GMKTec N100/g3 doesn't get bios updates.Has some insane bios with options you never heard about though.
>>106987959I'd rather bring back thinITX and CPUs that target 32-45 watts in the consumer space.
