Sonnet 4.5 is ridiculously good and you can prompt it so fucking much despite it being so productive.What the fuck is the future going to be when its gotten this good in span of few years
>>106998218Damn, I wish I could experience it myself first hand.
It's okay, but Instill hit thread limits and then got rate limited after telling it to fox obvious problems three times for every prompt.Now it will refer to past chats. Which helps somewhat except that it wants to look at all past chat session which means a lot of irrelevant shit gets brought into the initial prompt. It might be best to start freah with the minimum info needed to resume.>>106998234What did you do anon?
>>106998234>review of your recent activitiestf does 'review' mean and tf you did?
>>106998218I'm a senior SWE and in no way a "vibe-coder", but this field is really doomed.In the company I work for we just switched from Copilot to CC and everyone is using it.Actually, the heads of engineering push everyone to work with it.There are no more juniors in my company. From middle to staff, everyone is pushing out tasks like never before.Most of times CC goes from the initial prompt to opening a PR in a couple of steps, sometimes in a single pass.
>>106998370Thanks to you vibe coders five years down the line everything will be full of bugs and no one has any idea how to fix them
>>106998370Same, CC has completely taken over our company, they are even using AI in upper management.If you're not a senior at this point, it's unironically over.
>>106998370But how do you know if the code is correct? Do you write tests?
>>106998457CC can do tests and you just need a quick review to see if it isn't fucking up.You just need to tard wrangle it.
>>106998370Here, I used AI to create a video from your frog image.
>>106998370>>106998453I highly doubt this is true that you can just turn your brain off and have AI do the ticketand I dont count it if you just used AI to help you get to the solution yourself
>>106998474Where does the mysterious yellow liquid disappear to?
Does LLM say "nuclear option" because of reddit or does reddit say it because it is LLM?
Now is the time to be a tech entrepreneur. Why bother trying to be some company's slave when you can just start your own company?
>>106998491None is turning their brain off, every little thing the AI does is evaluated by a human, but all the scutwork is handled by CC that the job has become tard wrangling a hyperactive autistic savant, the mistakes are usually pretty easy to spot. The problem is all the seniors are gonna get old eventually and we'll need new blood, but I guess at that point, we'll have models that can do our jobs too.
>>106998500The former, LLMs are essentially the ultimate redditors.
>>106998540just take the L and hire juniors man even the capabilities of juniors have risen as long as they are competentnothing is worse than work place full of middle aged people who would just want to be managers
>>106998527Because there are a billion other people trying to do the same thing. And money to pay rent.
>>106998527to be an entrepreneur you need to have a certain mindseti could never be one since I dont really believe in things entrepreneurs usually believe. they tend to have very pro technological progress kind of thinking and I wouldnt mind if we returned to monkey
>>106998572Not in my power, or my interest, I already have one foot in the door, anywayThis industry is terrible, and I want no more of it.
>>106998370It's a vicious cycle, the more jobs are AI assisted the more data AI companies have to train systems to replace peopleWe're cooked
>>106998457>But how do you know if the code is correct? Do you write tests?CC takes care of tests too. You just need to guardrail it a bit, but it's improving really fast.Obviously engineers can tell if the code makes sense and it's correct, but as the other anon said, we are becoming more like supervisors than actual developers.
Should've unionized and enforced labour licensing and other protections. Between letting big tech meme everyone into going into coding and now this, software engineers just allowed themselves to get cucked and stolen from.
>>106998665so what happens when they decide that since CC is replacing developers they can charge close to but still under a developer's salary for it?
>>106998547You're on exactly the right track with that line of thinking!The best part? Everything I reply with has been scraped from reddit.
my company uses claude sonnet 4.5, they have uploaded some maritime rule books and regulations as official assistants. Its reasoning is still ultimately shit.chatgpt, despite having less sources on the topic, gives better answers in almost all cases.
>>106998598Neither of those things are stopping me though. Also you underestimate the average person's ability to actually succeed in tech. There's a ton of people telling ChatGPT, "Hey, code an app for me that'll make me a millionaire." Very few of them are actually drawing up detailed and intricate plans for the software they want to create and how to monetize it.
>>106998731overestimate**
>>106998491>I highly doubt this is true that you can just turn your brain off and have AI do the ticket>and I dont count it if you just used AI to help you get to the solution yourselfI didn't say I can turn my brain off.That's the difference between an actual software engineer and a vibe-coder.But I can for sure go afk to take a coffee, come back and analyze what it's been done. Sometimes you need to do some fixes, or suggest a different approach.However, there is no denying that LLMs, specifically CC right now, completely take care of coding with an extremely impressive understanding of the codebase.In Claude Code you /init in your project and the thing analyzes your project entirely.From there, with a little guardrail and experience in design patterns, you can hand over almost any task to it.
>>106998737how do you use claude code in practice? just do the command in terminal or do you use an ai editor?so far I've just used claude in my browser because the AI editors look like a distraction
>>106998218I hate street-shitter hyperbole so much it's unreal.
>>106998218Sonnet 4.5 is in a league of it's own. I sometimes wonder if people are using other models for coding because they are retarded or because they can't afford cc. I'm still seeing people use 4o and Gemini, even seeing faggots use glm 4.6 and qwen all the time. Are they retarded?
>>106998737Init doesn't give you much, takes a lot of editing CLAUDE.md but you're mostly right, you can just tell cc to edit the CLAUDE.md to avoid A,B or C etc.
>>106999031even claude fucks up routinely. I'm convinced people who can get claude to do their work 100% of the time are doing stupid CRUD jobs that any monkey could do. When I try to get it to do anything Vulkan or compute shader related it shits itself.I also refuse to allow myself to be roped into a scheme where I have to rent access to an LLM forever to be productive. I would rather be slower but independent. My local llms are useful but I don't trust them beyond "can you debug this" or "can you suggest alternative approaches"
>>106998370same, senior SWE, they got rid of all the juniors at our company, and they pay for our CCsome days i can just copy paste what the product people wrote into CC and go make lunch, play games, go out shopping, come back, open PR, reply to two slack messagesthere's no way we're gonna be paid six figures for this foreveri'm going for a blacksmithing course early next year, need to figure out my exit plan
>>106999162>When I try to get it to do anything Vulkan or compute shader related it shits itself.well duh
>>106999162agree, it's still pretty hopeless for anything graphics-related still. only a matter of time though.
>>106999181>i'm going for a blacksmithing course early next year, need to figure out my exit planyeah like thats gonna work out
>>106999183why are you saying duh? everyone said that it was going to replace devs and that if you get bad results you're just not prompting it right. It has definitely gotten close to making shaders that are usable . gpt-oss-120b and glm-air-4.5 are decent if you have the ram to spare for graphics, but about 75% of the time still it suggests garbage and I have to go to my pencil, paper, and renderdoc and debug it manually
Mom cancel my meetings, Claude deleted my project files
>>106999215I will say it how it isAI is not gonna write vulkan shit for decades and if you want a career plan there is that but again not many people can do it for a reason
>>106998873>how do you use claude code in practice? just do the command in terminal or do you use an ai editor?You use it from the terminal within your IDE.It basically works in agent mode, looks into dirs, analyzes the code, propose a solution and asks you if it can proceed. It will also read the project config files, know how to launch commands, how to perform tests and so on.
>>106999196aye brother. ironically people made fun of frontend devs for ages for being css monkeys but try getting an LLM to any kind of interactive visual or UI work and it shits itself more than an indian call centre employee
>>106999238>commit WIP commit so Claude can't undo what it's done so far (it works well, just some last touches needed>Prompt next thing>Claude has melty, deletes entire repo, including .git directory
>>106999215I don't work on that stuff so I don't know, but even if you are right it's just a matter of time before it catches up.Point is, it's evolving quickly.Anthropic spent 100% of its revenue on AWS, almost 3 billion dollars.Right now, the only case where AI doesn’t move forward and developers aren’t entirely replaced is if companies can’t figure out a viable return-on-investment plan.I wouldn't count on it though.
>>106999243hmmi wonder if it would be smarter to not show your power level with this tool
>>106998218based. Total codetroon death
>>106998234Wtf did you do
>>106999397I would never admit to using ai to code to my job
>>106999465yeah well if you are fully remote than I guess thats possible
I got my Claude account banned because I use a VPN.Should I pay for Cursor since it has Claude included or it's better to recreate an account?
>>106998218i got banned from chatGPT before anyone else was even using it. cant remember how i found it, but i was wanting to fuck around with my bot for IRC friends and yeah. we would tell it about klikes and whatnot, got banned in a month because i didnt turn it off after the warnings
>>107000209cant you just make a new one?
>>106999243How can you revert its changes easily? Does it give you a log for what it's changed? These are my main concerns when using it. It seems like it can just change random shit since it has access to all files, and you wouldn't even know about it.
>>107000268Are there any burner phone sites available to complete the registration?
this entire thread is full of anthropic niggersclaude is a one-trick pony at best, it has no actual intelligence other than slopping out thousands of lines of "best practices" code with no actual thought
>>107001251>best practices" code with no actual thoughtthats programming yeah
It's funny, six years ago I said here that I'd passed a selection process for a job as a civil servant. You said I'd be paid little and that the job wasn't very challenging. For a long time, I listened to your bullshit, but I see I made the right decision. While you're tearing your hair out, wondering if you'll have a job in a year or two, I'm here enjoying a good, lifelong position that I can only be fired for if I mess up really badly.I don't mind the low salary; it's enough to pay my bills. At least I won't have to go hungry when the lean times come.
>>107001560Doing what
>>106998719is that Charles
>>107001574It's basically a department within the Ministry of Health. The current module I'm working on is a rewrite of a very old COBOL system that we're gradually rewriting in C#. The system handles general queues. We manage queues for blood donations, organ donations, surgeries, and so on. We have a single healthcare system, so even private hospitals need to integrate with our platform.
>>107001517i'm glad we agree it doesn't take intelligence to hold a programming job
this threads reads like all the people do is some CRUD work or some other garbage shit that has a lot of training data. Try writing a FEM simulation from scratch with Claude and report back it fails 100% of the time. If it was so good someone would have used it already to make a competitor product.
>>107000523Git
>>106998234you were generating cp weren't you?
>>106998218it's shit and you're just a braindead zombie.
>>106998873Claude desktop can write files directly. It can also overwrite all your code with a complete fuck up.
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>>107001755literally my thoughts, while i was reading these >>106998370, >>106998218, >>106999031, >>106999181. this gotta be webshits.
>>10700175590% of dev jobs are like that, if not more.
>>106998704To supervise anything you need to be able to do it well on your own first
>>107003651so why are programmers supervised by managers who know nothing about coding?
>>106998218i tried it yesterday, its worse than gpt5. both mostly provide dogshit solutions to simple issues. like 1/5th of the time it will be helpful to some degree on a task.if you dont do shit or work on greenfield projects that dont need to be maintained AI will seem like highly useful magic.
>>106998370i see you mexianon
>>106998474what did you use to make this?
>>107001755Most programming jobs are just CRUD drudgework. Assuming people who are in CRUD jobs are able to adapt and move to more complex domains, this will still massively impact what remains of the job market.
>>106998218It's still shit for anything that's not done to shit already. Also lmao at all the people using cc for both code and tests. Unless you're doing yet another crud, cc will do all sorts of wild shit to make tests pass.
>>107001755You don't even need to go that far. Ai code assistants still shit the bed as soon as you try anything nontrivial in VBA.
>>107003921>Miners, journalists, taxi drivers, etc should learn to code>Now coders should learn to fix electronics, install drywall, fix plumbing What will be the next job meme meant to drive down wages by exploiting people's desperation?
>>107004403I never liked the learn to code meme and I think programmers are incredibly naïve for helping perpetuate it instead of seeing it as a direct attack on their profession which they should have responded to by unionizing and formalizing their profession in a way that makes them hold more accountability over their work in exchange for occupational closure. In the future we probably will see an emergence of two kinds of programming jobs: unprotected jobs where AI can be freely used without any regulatory red tape, and jobs where programmers have to be held accountable and thereby *engineer* software using significantly different processes compared to the former group ("true" software engineering). There might also be a third group of programmers who are domain experts who are also good with computers and can program them to do things relevant to the domain they are working in (think physics simulation, computational fluid dynamics, quants, bioinformatics), which AIs are pretty bad at currently. The limiting factor here is not exactly needing the software to be robust, be to have someone who is good at a field that AIs are not very reliable in.
>>106999162One problem is that its training is not up to date on documentation.Btw do you know if chromium supports Vulkan on Wayland yet?
>>107004636>I never liked the learn to code meme and I think programmers are incredibly naïve for helping perpetuate itPS: User-facing open source software is idiotic for exactly this reason. Publishing very technical libraries for other programmers, like zlib or sqlite3 or whatever, is fine. But why would you publish code for non-trivial user-facing programs? Why do you want to want to drive the worth of your work down to 0? This was a problem even before we learned that tech conglomerates trained their stochastic parrots on all that code that people felt so good about putting out because they thought only other humans would look at it. lol.
>>106998218I just tried it for something that's not included in boilerplate template #13561512 and it immediately violated basic SRP.
>>107003746He meant like Lead role developers. Managers are paid to be people persons.
>>107004636I think the only ones in the profession that pushed the learn to code were the overpaid bootcampers in the first place.It was always pushed by the corporations to lower labor costs, and I think any competent programmer saw it for what it was.For that same reason, I don't see "true" software engineering being protected. They will want to lower labor costs across the board. They outsourced the programmers for aviation control software to India for Christ's sake.
