you dont, people have updated after years

I’m literally updating right now after 1.5 years without updating or even running pacman -Sy. I only remembered to update because of this thread

>>107003659
>I’m literally updating right now after 1.5 years
rip

>>107003644
>>107003659
Then why am I getting
>error: failed retrieving file 'community.db' from
from every fucking thing?

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>>107003639
>>If you don't update enough you lose the ability to update at all.
>Yea I'm sorry but this shit is stupid.

I update like once a week and nothing bad ever happened

sometimes true but i havent had that issue in awhile

>>107003678
Thats barely anything try a few months or a year

>>107003639
Agreed. Arch ist the only system that WILL brick itself guaranteed. Not even Microsoft managed that. It's a toy. Not an operating system

>>107003639
That is fixable. If you can't fix it, you're retarded and you should fuck off of Arch. Go back to Ubuntu

>>107003667
There is no community db anymore. Comment it out.

>>107003676
Nice self portrait.

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Obviously OP is a massive faggot. That aside, how do people deal with arch on a server? I regularly get kernel updates, and in order for the new kernel to be used I need to restart the system. Do arch servers use LTS kernels, or are they configured so that a loaded kernel gets updated in RAM?

The retard filter is working as expected

No one expects an arch install to last more than a couple months

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arch is a toy OS

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>>107003639
wait, all the Arch elitists who are telling me that they have the best OS are hiding the fact that their OS can self-destruct itself? LMAO don't give Microsoft any more ideas.

> update every week or so
> mostly goes right
> "dependancy: removing X breaks dependancy of Z"
> remove Z, and reinstall after if neccessary
> update went fine
whats the issue?
only if your system is ancient (not updated for 15+ years) might it be an issue

>>107003696
Well that fixed half the issue. Absolutely ridiculous that you still have to do this in the first place.

>>107003770
I didn't expect it to last a few months I was away from home.

>>107003778
Again this only addresses waiting for a short period of time.

>>107003736
no you would have to kexec or just reboot to load the new kernel

>>107003879
and if you look at the kexec archwiki its far from just working/easy with many gachas just fucking reboot on update or dont update the kernel till you are ready for a reboot i tend to only do updates either before or after a reboot cause some shit wont work, say you never mount a usb drive so the kernel module never got loaded, upgrade replaced the kernel modules and tou stick a thumbdrive in the module will fail to load and you cant mount usb drives now till you lod the new kernel/modules

>>107003837
jesus fucking christ just use linux mint fucking niger

>>107003774
The most dunning kruger of picrels

>>107004005
Thats what I use on my main laptop.

This is why I prefer NixOS over Arch, because every update isn't a logrolling contest on it like Arch where it'll just break the system.

>>107003942
exactly. this is merely an annoyance on a desktop, but I can't just reboot my server. seems like arch servers either use outdated kernels or have to be constantly rebooted.

>>107003639
dont user a rolling release distro then you fucking kumquat. some of you are too stupid for your own good.

>>107004303
First of all I didn't expect to be moving. Second of all I installed this years ago. Before I even knew half the shit about linux.

>>107003639
This is why I eventually switched to Debian.

There is nothing *fundamentally* wrong with bleeding edge rolling release, and Arch is arguably the best rolling release distro, but I got tired of keeping up and let's face it, many people, myself included, don't really need to have the very latest versions of software ASAP.

Although I must admit that Arch at least shits itself a lot less than Gentoo, which was a complete nightmare with PYTHON_TARGETS and all driving Portage insane.

With Debian (and most point release distros) you can go for months without updates without trouble.

>>107003639
rolling-release distro is retarded

>>107004377
>installed OS
>didn't use it for years
>now wants to get back to it
just delete everything except /etc and /home and run pacstrap again

>>107004377
it's like buying a car and only after years of driving it do you inspect all it's features and how to maintenance it.

>>107004480
I already solved this issue I'm just complaining about it.
>>107004485
Yea I don't service my own car, Don't intend to. I don't know or care how a car works. Only reason I have trouble shoot this piece of shit myself is no one services linux where I live.

>>107004544
>https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Frequently_asked_questions
>You may not want to use Arch, if:
>you do not have the ability/time/desire for a 'do-it-yourself' GNU/Linux distribution.
>you believe an operating system should configure itself, run out of the box, and include a complete default set of software and desktop environment on the installation media.
you chose the wrong distro, kid

>>107003639
i literally updated a year+ old system i had with no issues

>>107003837
dude if you dont want to know how things work or do things by yourself just use windows wtf

>>107004685
Other distros don't have this problem.

>>107003639
>>107003676
The people who complain about this are always dummies who can't figure out how to run it. Just use another OS, or stay away from computers.
>>107003774
Arch isn't the main OS I would choose for a server. Could say that instead of seething.

>>107004584
it was an arch "based" distro thoughbeit

>>107004750
Why should I HAVE to figure out anything? If the problem can be solved it should just solve itself automatically. Which is what every other os does btw. Also read the thread before you speak like a fool.

>>107004784
>automatically
this requires a developer implement something. who is supposed to work for you for free?

>>107004809
Who maintains every other distro? Theres your answer.

I dont respect anyone who works for free they remind me of jannies and reddit mods, this is why I dont use linux

>>107003639
Arch is a mindset, like a 20 year old white guy with dreads.

It's not easy to maintain and eventually you grow out of it, but while you are doing it, it's great.

>>107005071
redhat gets paid $$$

>>107005071
What's the alternative these days

>>107004675
i updated an arch desktop system (sway wm) running for 230+ days about 10-15 times without rebooting and kept using it that way

then i rebooted it as it forgot how to mount new drives due to a new kernel version and then it worked fine

i dont even consider other linux distributions real, besides debian (for servers)

why are some /g/ users really butthurt at arch?

i find rolling release more stable than fixed release. first of all in rolling release you dont have to reboot as much. also on fixed releases when you update to an entirely new version its a lot easier to break, than just using rolling release. linux mint says that if you want to upgrade to a totally new version, like 21 to 22, you should do a clean install rather than fully update the system. the GUI update manager doesnt even give the option, so that says a lot about how unstable an update can be with a fixed release. in general rolling release is more stable because your constantly keeping it up to date. its unintuitive but i think its true. constantly updating is more stable than doing it rarely. in Arch you are supposed to run pacman -Syu before you download any package, which i think people forget

>>107004422
>Arch is arguably the best rolling release distro
void does a better job with a small dev team and user base.

>>107005175
>mint
lol, lmao even.

I stopped using Arch on my ThinkPad because it locked up and needed to be forcefully restarted to work.
That was happening every 5-15 minutes.
Now I'm using Debian

>>107005171
>i updated an arch desktop system (sway wm) running for 230+ days about 10-15 times without rebooting
>>107005175
>first of all in rolling release you dont have to reboot as much.
you guys run an outdated kernel without security patches for months?

>>107005087
i find arch far easier to maintain. literally its just one command, pacman -Syu, thats it. other distros require more maintenance.

>>107004746
there's breaking changes in all software, retard.

>>107005241
yes. for more than half a year. it just works.

>>107005238
https://linuxreviews.org/Intel_graphics#Kernel_Parameters

>>107005245
yeah but other distros actually work and don't require much more

I still think Arch is great.

>>107005272
Thanks anon. I'll bookmark it for the next time I distro hop

>>107005241
arch is designed so that it still works even if you dont reboot. on distros like ubuntu you pretty much have to reboot with important updates (which is why it prompts you to do so). but on arch you can just keep working

of course its still good practice to do so regularly anyway. i mean its not like i leave on the computer for weeks or months. as long as you turn it off/restart every so often there shouldnt be a problem

>>107005407
>on distros like ubuntu you pretty much have to reboot with important updates (which is why it prompts you to do so).
what? last time I checked you execute apt update && apt upgrade, there is no prompt to reboot. Your take is debatable, as there are more kernel updates on arch than on debian (i don't really know about ubuntu, but I think this also applies to ubuntu). If you are not going to reboot after kernel update, then why even update in the first place? if you don't update, no distribution needs reboots, but that's not really the point

>>107003942
I might have too much experience with arch but that doesn't look too bad to me.

>>107003639
This is exactly what arch is intended for: gatekeeping retards like you. Go shit up every other distro with the rest of the troons.

>>107005590
but kexec doesn't even help when I try to avoid reboots because I need to keep up services. as far as I understand it, it's just a quicker reboot, but it's still a disruption. so lts kernel is probably the way to go for arch servers, maybe I will give it a try

>>107004784
You're not entitled to have every single OS handhold you and cater to your retardation. If Arch is too hard for you, then don't fucking use Arch. It's not for you

>>107004746
Yes they do expect you to do some things by yourself, Ubuntu is specially infamous for its dependency hell

>>107005241
Yes, I don't keep installing things I don't trust nor do I run random binaries

>>107006069
Hello time traveler from 2003, how is it going?

>>107005769
>if you don't update every 5 minutes, you're stupid
Arch is a filter, just not in the way you think it is.

>>107006094
Morons still fuck up dependencies in spite of how good its gotten

>>107006189
Name 5 of these morons.

>>107003639
Funny how linuxtroons joke about Windows updates when Linux updates are 100x worse.
Every time you update Linux, you have to pray the whole system doesn't brick.

>>107004259
you have the same problem with other distros.

>>107006374
I don't know how often other distros get kernel updates. I checked my /var/log/pacman.log, and as a quick estimation I get a new kernel approximately once a week, but of course sometimes it's 3 days, sometimes 8 days. I now switched to the lts kernel (was easier than I thought), now I'll be watching how many updates this gets.

>>107006111
ya youre right, i wish all application software was 2 years out of date like on debian

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Arch is for the pseudo competent.

makepkg/PKGBUILD/AUR are nice but not worth the job onboarding to maintain Arch. There are a few smart people who use it, but most sane people have settled on Ubuntu/Debian/Fedora.

>>107003639
made by updootards for updootards

>>107004685
>>107004005
souless

>>107005245
umm
pacman -Rdd linux-firmware
vim /etc/pacman.conf and remove [community], [community-testing], [testing], [testing-debug], [staging], [staging-debug].
etc etc. it's a new surprise command every 4 months

>>107003639
i update my server that runs arch once a month

I swear to god people who enter these threads have never actually interacted with anything they talk about, they just parrot memes because "everyone knows nothing works on arch amirite I'm such a tech bro haha". Nowadays shit just works, while windows 11 is having issues with shit that wasn't an issue ever before. I plug an ultrawide monitor into my laptop with arch and it just works. I plug a TV and it just works.
I do the same with my windows, and it won't let me choose the correct resolution unless I manually select the correct Hz, or won't display anything on the TV while detecting it until I disable HDMI deep color or whatever.

>>107006202
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>>107007190
Should I set up my server with arch? or debian? what's really the difference on the long term anon?

Just use Debian and be done with computing.

>>107003736
I use archlinux arm on my rpi, for local services, and had no issues. kernel is on lts tho, 6.12 atm

>>107003774
the no secureboot or real apparmor/selinux support is one of the major reasons i don't use arch
unironically

>>107003639
Linux distro enthusiasm is just someone following a tutorial to install some crap like Arch on a cheap laptop, putting a generic anime girl or "aesthetic" wallpaper on it, then running neofetch.

Arch is an inferior computing system and should never be used. Debian based distros are more prod-ready.

How can you even avoid kernel rebooting for servers? I don't think that's possible, you'll always be forced to reboot on kernel update (excluding kexec non-perfect solution)

>>107008434
Don't be a chronic updooter

>>107003639
>>107004809
i can hear the whiny faggotry laden within your voice like when you shitstomp your sibling in a game and they start yelling that youre cheating.
I dont use arch anymore because im just not interested after having it for a year or so and switching, but to bitch and moan that T H E DIY OS might require you to learn a little bit about what youre doing and do things yourself is so retarded its unreal.

>>107003639
Arsch.

>>107007922
You're mentioning the benefits of Linux vs Windows, not Arch. Arch is honestly much less practical than say Ubuntu, despite being an okay way to learn Linux.

>>107003837
Use a different distro, gramps.

>>107008434
If your devops is so bad that you cannot afford to reboot a server then you are destined to fail

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debian/fedora linked up

>>107008434
I think Ubuntu can do it. It's just a genuinely good system if you don't mind not getting to have the latest Podman and stuff like that.

>>107003775
>Arch elitists
Has anyone ever met one of these?

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>>107008482
What about CVEs? Updooting (and vaxxing) should be mandatory.

>>107003639
thanks for reminding me to pacman -Syu after 2 weeks

>>107003639
>>107003717
BTFO'd samefag OP.

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>>107004956
So use one of those. Problem (skill issue) solved.