What is the usecase for AV2?
usecase for asking /g/.l?
>>107005345further reducing the YouTube 1080p bitrate from 1 mbps to 0.5 mbps
>>107005345to maybe finally beat mpeg2
>>107005345Honestly if you're poor AV2 may as well not even exist for you until like 2 decades from now. It was created because VR video below 8K FUCKING SUCKS but 8K video uses a gorrillion Mbps. AV2 was created to reduce 8K bitrates. That's it and it barely makes a dent in 1080p and below used by poorfags, it's 100% optimized for 8K and beyond.
its a stepping stone to av3
>usecase for AV2?ignore it like av1
They're dumping millions into this shit to save billions. It's corpo trash.
>>107006219AV1 is actually breddy gud because it has synthetic grain so those boomer movies don't require 100Mbps anymore.
>>107005345NTSC 480p30 cinema color
>>107005372/thread
AV3 when?
What's the improvement over AV1? Because that was a nothing burger compared to h265
Selling Pixel 11.
>>107007397see >>107006142Also AV1 does offer 30% better compression efficiency over HEVC. For example it's now possible to compress ~30 minute anime episodes to 6MB including audio with AV1.https://files.catbox.moe/1wc0kq.webmIf you think AV1 and HEVC are equals then you can show us HEVC doing the same. Remember, that's 6MB for both video and audio.
>>107005345> av2Never heard of it
>>107007496I use VR and at the same resolution (6000x3000) AV1 is 16-18ms decode time compared to h265 @ 150mbps.If you increase it to 200mbps or higher then AV1 shits the bed up to high 30ms+ and that's with a hardware decoderAV1 is practically useless right now, and I was the first to be super excited about it thinking it would reduce my compute or bandwidth need to achieve the same quality target.
>>107007521Okay, so may we see your 6MB ~30 minute anime episode with audio also included?
>>107007541You and I are on completely different plane of existence I'm afraid.
>>107007591I'm sorry fren, maybe you replied to the wrong person. There was this shit-for-brains anon stating that AV1 is no better than HEVC. So I posted a link to a 6MB ~30-minute anime AV1 episode with audio. I'm currently waiting for him to post his HEVC 6MB ~30-minute anime episode with audio confirming that AV1 and HEVC are in fact equals.Maybe he won't though, maybe he's just a giant pussy.
>>107007636You replied to me asking if AV2 is better than AV1 while quoting the other guy talking about 8K VR videos, then post a fucking 480*360 24fps video as some kind of gotcha.Real world application have AV1 lagging behind HEVC especially for high resolution and real time transcode. If you can't keep to the context of the replies then stop posting instead of getting butthurt. You're the only faggot that care about your transcoding tranime into low res low bitrate garbage.
>>107007681Yeah I think you're confusing me with some other anon. I don't see a link to a 6MB ~30-minute anime episode with audio encoded with HEVC.Good luck on your journey brother.
>>107007496impressive
>>107007713Unfortunately, 4chan fixed the duration limit bypass before AV1 got to be supported here, so my effort was in vain.I should probably up it a bit to fit Discord's limit now that AV1 can be embedded there.
>>107007496Bro that video looks like ass though. The 15k mono opus audio sucks too.Show me how much space it takes up to get to indistinguishable quality with the DVD.
>>107008470I'll try anon, but I need to torrent the DVD.iso first.
>>1070083479gag started sending me AV1 video in MP4 like a year ago. Though I'm not sure if they preserve your encode or rape it with preset 12 100kbps vbr.>>107008470That's not the point though, retards are claiming that AV1 = HEVC and they can't prove it. Either they're mpeg-la collaborators or hopelessly tech illiterate retards that accidentally stumbled upon /g/.Not sure which one is worse desu.
>>107005345Killing AV1
>>107007397I'm guessing a sort of SVT slicing, which will fuck with the end efficiencyreference may remain painfully slow king
>>107008687
>>107007496What about the opposite scenario though? I don't care about fitting anime episodes inside a flip phone, I want absolute best quality to watch on PC or TV.
>>107008718x264 crf 0 preset ultrafast
>>107008718TV: x264 crf 1 ultrafast10 second encode of the entire series
>>107006267codecs like av1 are only superior when you are encoding 1080p video at 11kbps because those extreme ass scenarios are the only thing the devs test. nobody cares if a potato video looks 1% less potato with your stupid fucking codec that takes 30 hours to encode.
>>107008718funny, isn't it? we get unmetered 1gbps speeds, but everything is compressed down to a shit quality.anyways, i dream of ByteDance releasing their vvc encoder at some point, as it's the only good one apparently, since the x266 jeets are struggling to deliver after losing the only employee who knew his shit.
>>107005372Complete and utter bullshit. You need like 1.5mbps just for 720p.
>>107008813He's bullshitting. I dl'd a 1080p60fps video and the avg bitrate is 3000kbps
>>107008687>>107008697>single digit deltas for 1 gorrillion times more encode timeHoly shit that's awful.
>>107007496God fucking damn I hate those groups (Cleo) that do 96kbps or even worse audio encodes as standard. Crappy image quality I can take, audio with metallic gurgling not. 128kbps should be the bare minimum.
>>107008718>>107008760Depends what VMAF range you would personally use. Ultra nerds created this to best align with perceptual human quality and most people generally agree that scores above 80 coincide with MOS 4/5.Anyways if you agree with VMAF then it's like really retarded to think that AV1 only does well at low quality. Maybe you're confusing AOM with Nvenc AV1????
>>107008789VVC is DOA because of kike fees associated with it. Some people consider it WORSE than HEVC kike fees because I heard you have to pay to multiple giga jews now.
picrel proofs of VMAF and MOS relationship for anyone wondering.https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8924618/metrics#metrics
>>107009036None of this apply to you and me (well, hardware decoders/encoders aside). When x265 became good enough (with some tuning), we just used it.ByteDance has a good VVC encoder, and they have been shipping with it for years. If YT is a showcase of major worldwide AV1 adoption, so is TikTok with VVC.
>>107009029>Nvenc AV1Well. I don't wanna be a party pooper but realistically that's the only one that's being used.
>>107009085What makes you say that? Encoding AV1 thought SVT-AV1 is now LITERALLY faster than encoding H264 through x264.https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106327782It's downright absurd when you stop and think about it. Like it would have been more than enough for SVT-AV1 to encode faster than x265. Like that's all it had to do to be good.It fucking slayed the x264 boomer encoder anyway...
>>107009077After what mpeg-la did to webm, I'm never going to use VVC on principle alone. No company should have that much say in our daily lives.
>>107009100I actually I take it back. Youtube spends a lot of compute to encode everything to AV1. But the average geek? Heh... not so much.
>>107009121LOLNO. Youtube uses hardware accelerated AV1 encoders not SVT-AV1. For example they could never produce the webm in >>107007496Like I'm not even sure if hardware accelerated AV1 encoders can even dip below 100 kbps.Anyway it's pretty cool that most people will be able to encode their own 6MB ~30 minute anime episodes with AV1 now that SVT-AV1 is now officially faster and more efficient than the x264 boomer encoder.
when is this shithole gonna allow AV1 though?
>>107009230Brother, we are in a sinking ship. AN HIRO hasn't even talked to us in years.
>>107005345keeping media engineers employed by making them recompile everything
>>107009120what company? lolthe whole problem is that there is no one company, or even one pool of companies.
>>107008975In what audio codec anon? 128 was a nice standard for MP3. Ever since AAC encoders got good 96 was equivalent. Opus at 64kbps is about the same to me.
>>107009230maybe when hiro sells to the saudis
h264 solved encoding and almost all of the patents have expired by nowyou don't need more
To get another set of patent trolling lawsuits plus to sell more hardware with it "enabled". Expect AV3 in five years.
>>107005345all depends on grain retention.if its like av1 i cant use it
>>107010104Cleo uses 96kbps AAC and it sounds like shit. Even Youtube has 130kbps'ish for both AAC and Opus. 192kbps MP3 is the lowest I'd go for.
it doesn't matter how good codecs become, fansubbing/encoding is dead anyway
>>107011573Okay so why do 99% of the MP4 videos on 4chan look like they came out of a dog's ass?
>>107006142>It was created because VRsource: i made it all the fuck upkys faggot
>>107007496>daiz retardation
>>107008697av1 should be way faster to encode than hevc at a similar quality target so they're just using the reference aom encoder instead of svt-av1, this post is pointless.but vvc doesn't have an acceptably fast encoder yet yeah, and probably never will because no one will bother doing work for a doa format.
>>107008735good luck getting your tv to play 4:4:4 predictive, moron.>>107008746this guy gets it.
>>107012400qaac/opus at 96 kbps is literally comparable to 192 kbps mp3 so what you're saying makes no sense at all>Even Youtube has 130kbps'ish for both AAC and Opus.the fact that youtube uses a stupidly high bitrate for Opus which often exceeds the video bitrate for resolutions lower than 480p doesn't mean that it makes sense.
>>107008687Since when is the "white male asian female porn" subgenre a metric for quality?How does it differ from lesbian porn?
>>10700923020 years after webm and mp4 with audio became a thing.
>>107014298>If you think AV1 and HEVC are equals then you can show us HEVC doing the same. Remember, that's 6MB for both video and audio.
>>107005345Reducing bandwidth for billion dollar streaming companies by giving you the same, shitty quality for fewer GB.
>>107014399If you're a data hoarder then you can spend a few month converting all your movies to AV1 and save a few gigabyte there. Not sure if it's worth the power bill of having high end cpus running 24/7 however.
>>107014412A REAL Data horder would never reencode one lossy format to another. It just combines artifacts from both into one.
>>107014379...I never claimed any of thatwhat the fuck are you talking about
16k Streaming over the webs
>>107009036>I heard you have to pay to multiple giga jews nowAFAIK that was already the case with HEVC.
Planned obsolescence.
>>107005345I think high res stuff that we don't really have any use for yet. AV1 is what you want for everything current.
Wait for AV3.
>>107020649Why?Just use h264
>>107007496can make hevc not blurry, can't av1
>>107021312>svt-av1-psy and all of its forks don't existretard
>>107021233*mpeg2
>>107025111**mpreg2
https://aomedia.org/press%20releases/AV1-Video-Codec-Wins-an-IBC2025-Innovation-Award/AV1 WONMPEG SHILLS BTFO
>>107005345Can current GPUs decode it?
>>107025830no lol
>>107025830"do current gpus have hardware decoding blocks for a codec which is still in development and doesn't even exist yet"how fucking retarded do you have to be to ask such questions
>>107026877>he didn't time warp to get his udna2 rx 11070 xt3dNgmi.
>>107005345We haven't even completed the transition to AV1 yet.
>>107005345>this shit thread again
>>107007496How do you encode like this?
>>107027456dunno, ask the sneeder tripfag here. He made it.
>>107027049for me, it'll be the 400$ rx 11060 8 gb running on pcie 5.0 x4you don't need more, modern gayming sucks.
>>107027456Very carefully with Av1an. PSY AOM branches might be 80% as good too.
