Why does the red button not kill the application? Windows and linux have solved this problem for over 40 years. What is the use case of hiding a window and not actually killing the process? was steve jobs gay, retarded, or both?
>>107005413>the red button on the window closes the windowtruly a mystery…
>>107005425it hides it u dumb retarded nigger ape. clicking the button should do the following: kill app.
>>107005448it doesn't hide it, that's what cmd+h does>clicking the button should do the following: kill appwhy? it's a button on a specific window, why would you expect it to operate on the underlying process that spawned the window?
>>107005413this happens in windows and linux as well. plenty of apps that just minimize to the system tray.
>processes are the same things as windowswhat gui-centrism does to a mf
long story short, to make you comeback to the app faster, it doesn't eat much ram so whatever
iTODDLERS BTFO
>>107005413>windows solved this problem The fuck did it solve it. The close button means whatever the fuck the devs want it to do, there's zero consistency. Sometimes it will minimise to the tray. Sometimes the taskbar for some fucking reason (fucking Dimmer for example)Linux is just as bad these days.MacOS is quirky, but consistent. Red button closes the window, not the program. Close the program through menu bar or dock. Done.
>>107005413It made more sense 20 years ago when everyone was booting from a very slow mechanical disk.
>>107005413Use case for "killing" an "application"?If your system is efficient at managing RAM then there's literally no reason to close a program.>inb4 the program froze and need to restart itUse better "applications" then.
>wnjeet/linjeet got btfo again
>>107005617>Use case for "killing" an "application"?Reduces bloat.
>>107005413?
Full screen is also useless with the Macbook notch. The window control buttons are vestigial at this point.
>>107005413if you have several windows of the same program on windows or linux and press the x button, does it close all of the windows?x was never "shut down program" in any system, it has always been "close window">>107005448just say you are poor and never used macosif you press x and then click the program icon again, it opens a new window, not the same that was just hidden>>107005647>having my own programs that i use ready for using is bloat, and having hardware just there empty and unused is ok
>>107005984>things you're not currently using taking up memoryLiterally the definition of bloat.
>>107006022do you also think that when you turn on you pc only the wallpaper and clock are running and using memory?
>>107006054If your system runs a bunch of shit in the background that isn't essential to its proper functioning, as soon as you boot up, you are suffering from bloat by definition. And no, I don't really care about your strawman.
>>107006081ah so you install ram modules dynamically when you open programs and then yank them out when closing them, because "why have something there that i am not using right this instant" got it, no point in having things ready aheaddumb retard
@107006113>having resources available for use is bloatPlenty of mentally ill retards on this board as well.
>>107005984>if you have several windows of the same program on windows or linux and press the x button, does it close all of the windows?If they're dialog windows connected to the main window being close, yes. We also expect to be able to run two separate instances of the same app as two unique processes with their own window and UI controls. >just say you are poor Having $1200 in disposable income is not a flex.
>>107005617You’re one of those “let’s turn PCs into phones because all I understand is a phone” type of person aren’t you?
MDI == multiple-document interface.It's transcends and precedes macOS.
>>107005413Use Command+Q
>>107005522>Red button closes the window, not the program. Close the program through menu bar or dock. Done.Not really, I have a couple of programs that close after pressing X. Also some programs that dont close after pressing quit on the menu bar
>>107005413>Something that often trips up people new to macOS is that the system is application-oriented rather than window-oriented (as Windows is): on macOS apps “contain” their windows, while on Windows an app’s windows are the app. This single difference in philosophy explains why the Windows taskbar lists open windows (or at least used to), while the Mac’s Dock lists apps, which in turn list their windows when right-clicked. It’s also why the App Switcher () lists apps, while Windows’ Task Switcher (Alt+Tab) lists windows.>A frequent source of confusion for new Mac users is how apps don’t quit when you close their last window – when you close the last Safari window you still see “Safari” in the menu bar which only vanishes if you quit the app entirely. Though we now know why this is the case on a philosophical level, what’s the reason practically? Keep in mind that the menu bar is a central place listing every command available to the user: even with no windows open, having access to an app’s menu bar is still a useful thing! The menu bar provides access to the entirety of an app’s functionality, window or no window.
>>107005522>close window>don't see the window anymore>app keeps running>minimize window>don't see the window anymore>app keeps runningwhat's the point?
>>107006564If you can't tell the difference between closing a window and minimising it, you should probably stick with an ipad.
>>107005413because it's the red button not the kill the application button
>>107005425>>107005470wew>>107005487I don't believe for a second that Mac users even know what a CLI is.
>>107005413Because ironically Windows has had more radical UI changes over the different versions than Mac OS has. Even the latest Mac OS superficially looks like classic MacOS and has some of its UI paradigms. I don't think there's any other software product that's as overrated as Mac OS.
>>107005413Retard.
>>107006623>I don't believe for a second that Mac users even know what a CLI is.Didn't Winblows only get a decent terminal 5 years ago?
>>107006626MacOS being NextStep in a fruit themed skinsuit is a feature, not a bug.
>>107006747I mean even the original System 1.On the one hand I respect their commitment on the other they've painted themselves in a corner.
>>107006729>I MUST GOOOOOONGod you AGP coomers are pathetic
>>107006626Apple got it right the first time with the menu bar. It’s a stroke of UI genius that solves several problems at the same time. The Mac is nothing without the menu bar.Microsoft, for whatever reason (maybe legal threats from Apple in the 80s and 90s), never had a Mac-style menu bar, which is why Windows has always been and will always be dogshit, no matter how many clownish attempts Microsoft makes at redesigning it.
>>107007087Imagine being this new
>>107006747>>107007067do you guys even look at your own screenshots?modern macos has a completely different file browser:no miller columns like in next.no spatial file browser like on classic mac.
>>107007188macOS / OS X has always had Miller columns in the Finder as one of its viewing modes. It was one of Steve Jobs’s favorite NeXTSTEP features so of course they would bring it over.
>>107005617I don't need it to be there hogging performance if I'm finished using it, anon. Do you think CPUs have infinite threads?
>>107007132The taskbar was perfect on Windows XP.Microsoft keeps fucking up their perfect invention more and more.
>>107005413there's an app for thatbut default behaviour is retarded desu
>>107007188The fuck are you on about anon
>>107007132>It’s a stroke of UI genius that solves several problems at the same time.Such as? I'd argue it introduces new problems too.
>>107007188>>107007284Also recommend looking into Rhapsody OS if you want to see the exact point in history where NextStep was turned into OSX
>>107005413It's an os made for literal toddlers who don't care. You can't even download certain programs without doing some arbitrary shit to allow "untrusted" developers, and even then it still sometimes refuses to launch unless you click cmd + h or some shit lmao. The average itoddler is so retarded they're only ever going to be downloading stuff from the app store anyway.You also can't configure the swap the os has by default and it literally rapes the ssd 24/7 from what I've seen, way more than windows or linux.
>>107006389Is it universal across all applications?
>>107005413true. another annoying thing is alt tab doesn't show separate windows, so if you two firefox apps open, it won't show all of them. can't tile windows, can't create a file in finder, can't show thumbnails in alt tab, disgusting OS designed by retarded pajeet niggers
>>107007339no, some apps like the built in finder don't even quit when you command q KEK
>>107007296It’s a single consistent place in the UI for:* seeing the name of the app that is currently in focus* discovering all commands / modes that can be performed / accessed in the current app in an organized layout* discovering all default and user-custom keyboard shortcuts for an app’s menu bar items* managing windows belonging to the current app* searching the entire menu bar hierarchy via the Help menu* accessing an app’s settings panel* finding the app’s version number* hiding or quitting the current app (or hiding all other apps instead)also the Apple menu on the left edge has really handy menu items for quickly getting system info and force-quitting troublesome apps
>>107007357Why would you ever quit a graphical desktop OS’s graphical desktop shell?
>>107007357woah thats crazy you tellin me explorer doesnt stop when you close all windows
>>107005413it's why they're called itoddlers, for retarded low iq people
>>107005413Possible its a design decision from the days of HDDs where loading an application into memory would take longer, and kept the behavior for consistency
>>107007488I'm pretty sure program files can still reside cached in unused RAM even if they're not actually running, it's purely a UI paradigm that Apple sticks to.I've given Mac OS a couple of genuine tries and it's just not for me, Cinnamon and KDE are the most sensible GUIs imho.
>Windoids cannot understand the concepts of closing a file but quitting a program. “Close” is used promiscuously in Windows to refer to everything from removing a file from active use to shutting down software, the latter of which is often deemed “exit.” As such, Windoids have a great deal of trouble relating to the idea that a program may stay up and running in the background with no documents open because you closed all those documents without quitting the program. One explanation: Some software quits when you close the last document, while other software starts a new document after you close the last one. (I shit you not. These nonsensical, baffling, even infuriating habits are readily found in Windows programs, including rivals Word and WordPerfect.)>The unmemorable keystrokes Alt-F4 and Ctrl-F4 make matters worse. What happens with each?>I know Windoids are not clear on what “close” really means because I have witnessed one of them mime folding over the flaps of a cardboard box when trying to communicate what he meant by “close the program.” (Is the program still taking up space with its lid closed? Is it still running?) Conceptually, Windows users associate closing a program with, say, closing up a cottage for the winter or closing a failing business – hardly apt analogies. https://blog.fawny.org/2011/04/16/windoids/
>>107007450>has more complex behavior>it's for retardsLet me guess, you get mad about the differentiation between opt+tab and opt+~ vs alt+tab don't you?
>>107005470yeah so all your apps are in the wordcel list lmao chud you want pictures?
>>107007705>The app looks funny, some of the words on top you can't click on or are gonevs>I can see the words on top and some are different, but the thingy below is missingthe same problem exists on mac as pc
>>107005413because of the amazing document architecture
