>Chromium has over 70% market share>WebKit is only relevant because of the iPhone>Mozilla has to literally get bankrolled by Google in order to stay afloat>any potential competitors are lightyears awayHow did it get this bad?
Just do an ungoogled build.
there is only one web. why should there be more than one web browser?
im using Arch and i thought that something was wrong, because my internet was slow. Like I thought something was wrong with my computer because firefox was really chuggy. But then I switched to chromium and it was a good deal faster so chromium is now my main web browser. i dont know whats going on with firefox but it seems pretty shitty right now.
>>107008518>i dont know whats going on with firefox but it seems pretty shitty right nowthey added so much AI slop lately it must be this. fuck mozilla
>>107008539I've been a Firefox user since the days of Vista, and now I use Winhoes 11 & Ubuntu. I'm keeping Firefox.
>>107008472senseless faggotry, and Mozilla's execs are literal cartoons trying to pass for humans, and Google has to maintain them financially so the feds don't come down on them harder for monopolizing the web browser scene
>>107008472>How did it get this bad?Google pestering every single person that uses their search engine with any browser that isn't Chrome.
>>107008493To keep the browser maker(s) in check with somewhat neutral standards>>107008546This
>>107008613no need for standards if there's only one browser though.
>>107008802>t. Microsoft in the 90s
>>107008802One Lord, One Faith, One Google
>>107008613>>107008802Google already breaks web standards all the time by shipping their own shit and all other browsers have to follow or they will lose even more market share. It's such a pain in the ass developing for this undocumented shit that isn't even supported by half of all browser engines.
>>107008518same. a 12400f and 1gbps should not be this slow for a web browser. I'll switch to chrome eventually when this shit tips me over the edge.
Whats wrong with chromium based browsers. Been using opera GX for a while.
>>107008472Why can't the US govt pull a Telecom act of 1996 on Google?
>>107009525First, Google controls the direction of the whole Internet. If they say "no more adblocker extensions, this time we mean it" then that's what every other Chromium browser like Edge has to comply with unless you want to go full fork (which means no more security updates from Google).Second, the lack of diversity is just bad in general. It's like a lack of diversity in crops that leads to huge fungal outbreaks. If every browser is Chromium based, then that means some little security bug has a far wider reach than it really should.
>>107008483
>>107008472>Mozilla has to literally get bankrolled by Google in order to stay afloatit's crazy when you think about it given that firefox is a 5-10 white males project, they could survive on a 10m revenue stream and probably 4m in server and bandwidth.instead all the money goes towards subhuman execs who bring 0 added-value to the companymuttopia really needs to do something about non-profits that act as for-profits while not generating any profit and about non-profits that manage for-profits that don't generate any profit, mozilla would not be able to exist in any first-world country and its leadership would be in jail for money laundering.
Because we are inferior to random monkeys.Complacency of the first browser and ape-coercion.
>>107009455wrong
>>107009455>Google already breaks web standards all the time by shipping their own shit and all other browsers have to follow or they will lose even more market share. It's such a pain in the ass developing for this undocumented shit that isn't even supported by half of all browser engines.This is what convinced Microsoft to cease development on EdgeHTML and switch to Chromium. They were spending all their time trying to get shit like YouTube to work that it wasn't worth the effort.
>>107009525As a rule, more competition is better for the consumer and worse for business, because there's stronger competitive pressures to deliver on value to the consumer because, otherwise, you will lose customers to other companies that can deliver on value. As an industry becomes more consolidated, there is less pressure to compete and more ability for corporations to collude in activities like price fixing, cartel organization, geographic demarcation (like, how internet service providers will cooperate in the US so, for any one area, you have one choice for an ISP), and a new concept I hope to introduce: Feature fixing: wherein all sellers of a product, deliberately or not, all act to limit the functionality and user-value of their products (think of how no modern phones have changeable batteries, and how every modern car has bullshit DRM and sells your data to insurance companies) and, the industry, being dominated by a handful of firms, can push this value capture through because everyone is doing it and there is no meaningful way for the customer to reject it. Essentially, when you're the only game in town, you can do whatever you want and your customers get to eat shit as you capture all the value in the market for yourself. This is why a monopolistic market position is the ideal position a corporation wants to occupy, why cartels are formed (which are essentially monopolistic in nature), and why anti-trust legislation exists: Otherwise one company could just buy or merge with all its rivals and completely dominate, like Standard Oil.
>>107009548Because that would literally weaken America
>>107010089>like, how internet service providers will cooperate in the US so, for any one area, you have one choice for an ISPIt's usually one choice for each of the two types of service per area. One telecom, one cable TV. Though that depends on the proximity to a city/town, and for idiotic reasons apartment complexes are allowed to sign exclusive agreements with the former but not the latter. On that note, fuck AT&T.
>>107009689t. Google employee
>>107008472If you downloaded all of Wikipedia and printed every Wikipedia article on real paper it would have less pages than the web standards. Web standards have grown so much that it's impossible for anyone to implement all of them from scratch.Google not only has the best support, they also add nonstandard extensions to the web and force them onto users through their websites and their libraries, so users running other browsers get broken websites and blame the browser, then move to Chrome. Chrome itself gets free advertising from Google websites and on top of that Google has been known to purposedly sabotage the performance of their websites on non-Chrome browsers.Mozilla had a real chance to create a new, better web browser but the woman CEO killed the project to raise her salary (in fact all of modern Mozilla's problems can be traced back to that bitch sabotaging Mozilla from the inside.)Microsoft had their own web engine with Edge and it worked pretty well, but Google purposedly broke YouTube and Gmail on Edge every other week and Microsoft grew tired of playing cat and mouse so they went through the path of least resistance and moved to Chromium.Opera's Presto was infamous for breaking websites (in reality it adhered too well to web standards and didn't add shitty hacks for undocumented behaviors that developers were relying on) and then got sold to chinks in 2012.
Reminder that Bill Gates was tortured over Internet Explorer only for Chromium to do the same thing.
Use case for having more than 3 popular rendering engines?
>>107011686Is Chromium the default browser anywhere ?
>>107008472Alpha version of this should be coming out next year.
>>107008864ein volk, ein reich, ein führer
>>107011789Google Chrome and Android
>leading browser engine>open source>C++>BSD/LGPL>can freely make your own browser based on it>many perfectly usable projects do just thatUsecase for needing more?
>>107008472Let indians have the modern internet and make an intranet that requires a melanin scanner to get in
>>107009460surprised to hear you have this issue, Firefox is slow on my core 2 duo machine but identical to chrome on my10900k. It's definitely slower, I;d say like 40% slower than chrome but only on really shitty hardware I've found. Wonder what they fucked up this time to cause a 12400 to shit the bed
>>107008472They are paid to not be competitive. It's that simple. Same with Linux in general. It's all about money. Like always. As soon as something good gets done bunch of fags in suits shows up and ruins it, like years ago with Xorg, it was finally getting good but then they decided to assassinate it and started reinventing the wheel wasting time for more than 10 years. Money, its always about money.
>>107011912there are light skinned indians tho
>>107011653>Google is following the IE playbook word for word>ZERO antitrust action over itIs this the power of good PR?
The web is dead
>>107011789What is Windows?
>>107013522It's the power of the US government bbeung useless. Corporations do as they please and the government continually relaxes regulations.
>>107008518The browser itself has basically seen no development in ages so it's no wonder it's falling more and more behind. No the 28374th UI rebuild doesn't count as actual browser development.
>>107011861Ublock orgin support
>>107013158You will never not be a shitskin
>>107014887Firefox is actually seeing a lot of development and right now they're working on webgpu support witch i personally hate but it will solve the issues these faggots are talking about >>107009460 >>107008518
>>107015273I'm gonna be honest I'm not holding out hope until I see it, not the first time they'd scrap development last minute.
>>107015376>workGoogle already did all that. All trannies have to do now is copy and paste.
>>107015273if you use nightly. webgpu is already there.
>>107015443That's cool but i don't even follow their development. I only use firefox because i have always used it. When is the nightly build being merged with the stable? And is webgpu on by default or did you have to mess with the config?
>>107015486https://mozillagfx.wordpress.com/2025/07/15/shipping-webgpu-on-windows-in-firefox-141/
try this in firefox :-)https://webgpu.github.io/webgpu-samples/?sample=metaballs
>>107015576Wtf it uses my gpu
>>107008472Google Skia Graphite/Angle.IHVs are all in on it for why there's no Chromium competitor.
>>107015682doesn't run in my firefox
firefox users can also try thesehttps://www.shadertoy.com/view/dsGBzWhttps://www.shadertoy.com/view/lcV3Dt
>>107015779but shadertoy is GLSL on WebGL, isn't it?
>>107015779Still just werks for me
>>107015956how much fps do you get when you fullscreen the first one
>>107015956does this work for you?https://webgpu.github.io/webgpu-samples/?sample=spookyball
>>107015979around 32fps on firefox and 144fps on chromium>>107016163This one doesn't work. You finally found one kek.
>>107015979>>107016199Now i wonder why was firefox performance so much lower when it was clearly able to access the gpu for acceleration. Did it always have some gpu acceleration capability for shaders but it was shit or what?
>>107016231see>>107015743GPU drivers optimize for chrome hw acceleration more than firefox hw acceleration. its the same thing on phone and desktop, firefox will be slower in that test than chrome.
>>107016311But the difference is really shocking. Firefox is really struggling while chomium is only limited by my monitors refresh rate. Is there a way to even fix it?
>>107016365>Is there a way to even fix it?Hope that Ladybird and/or Servo catch on
>>107016365The fix is for IHV driver writers and firefox to work together but thats not happening. firefox has 3% marketshare globally and losing it. good luck convincing trillion dollar company like nvidia to care.
>>107016391>>107016594Now that everything is increasingly just a web app, it's over isn't it?
>>107016594>>107016637firefox has started to advertise on twitch, they are trying to get the zoomers, maybe there is still a chance for firefox to grow
only reason i use firefox is cuz its got built-in autoscroll and better hotkeys
>>107016637>>107016643yah nah its all over. hw acceleration is very important to a modern browser in 2025. it requires explicit gpu support not from firefox but also the driver makers. firefox can slowly leech on the open source stuff from chrome but that wont make IHVs care to optimize their drivers better. they only optimize for the majority and thats chrome aka skia graphite.
Are there any Chromium browsers that DONT abide by the Manifest v3 stuff? I don't want to lock in on Brave again but Firefox runs fucking slow as shit on Youtube and other sites and the version of Ladybird I've built off their git is slow as fuck when it comes to rendering.
>>107016819I think Edge is the only chromium fork that still supports mv2
