Has anyone in the history of the world ever installed this that wasn't a drug dealer or a massive pedophile?
>>107016926you know qubes isn't tor, right?...right?
It's like saying any company who doesn't run all their services on one server is dealing drugs. Or doesn't allow internet access to their VM hypervisor is a pedophile. Its just good security practice to have different internet connected services be disconnected from one another. Doesn't matter whether you're running server or client software. Both are vulnerable for attacks and can be a way in to the rest of your system and data. Having a good sandbox attackers can't escape from should be the norm, not the exception.
mekys glowfag
i hardly have enough cpu/ram for one computer
one instance of systemd is enough for one pc
but Snowden and Assange are heroes
It is the least paranoid setup I would use to store and transfer crypto. The more paranoid setup is multiple airgapped computers and this is a nice compromise on a single machine.
>>107016926who cares,i use xorg, chroot (with no process or uid isolation), my hard drive is unencrypted and i still have the openssl 1.0 libraries on my system purely for backwards compatibility.come at me bro(don't do what i do though, use lxc, and make sure any deprecated libraries are removed)
>>107019303zram
>only criminals lock their doors
>>107016926i wish I could run this, it was extremely comfy while sluggish at times. as a dev, I finally had the confidence to just download shit from npm and run it without too much care.
>>107021929What's stopping you?
>>107021943video performance is absolutely awful, and you really need 32gb of ram to do the kind of work that you could easily do on 8gb machine. having few 4-5 qubes open with editor and few tabs just caused some of them to hang too often. xfce is also something I dislike, even though I can see why they would choose to use it.
>>107022071just run them computers lxc containers.if you are that paranoid that you need a separate kernel for everything then you have a bigger problem than performance.as a box to test binaries or something, qubes might be worth it but so is xen on any other distro.maybe qubes provides better tools, that would be the only usecase if you ask me.
>>107016926me
>>107022193yeah there's nothing stopping you from basically rolling your own Qubes if that's what you want, but Qubes already comes pre-configured with a pretty robust setup, and it provides tools for things like copy/pasting, VM templates, creating proxy VMs etc. So if your goal is to create a similar setup, it would take a lot of work and effort to get it running as well and as seamlessly as Qubes
>>107022220>>107022222>>107022227oops sorry for triple posting, my client was bugging out
>>107022220if it can run normal containers too.i dont like overhead.
>>107022220>>107022222>>107022227Rolling your own qubes really isn't as easy as you seem to thinkTo roll your own qubes you need to use Xen, not run guests under Linux
if you're just running normal systems with no viruses or need for sandboxing then chroot has the least overhead of all. lxc is similar but more isolated. xen is full-on virtualization and is slower.it has to be worth it.
>>107022576If you want to use containers, use containersThat is completely irrelevant to Qubes though
>>107022576Yeah, it's probably not worth it for most people. I just like the level of control and isolation it provides. It gives me peace of mind. For instance, I never liked installing spyware crap like Discord on any of my systems. It tries to collect as much information as possible. It wants to see everything you're doing all the time, have access to all the files on your PC, have access to all your USB devices all the time. With Qubes I can install Discord in its own little virtual prison so I can talk to my friends without giving that shit carte blanche access to my whole system.
>>107016926> only drug dealers and pedophiles deserve a quality operating system experience
>>107016926It can if you use whonix
>>107022071> video performance is absolutely awfulVideo performance is as good as your onboard GPU since you can't use video cards with Qubes. My ancient business computer chokes a bit on 1080, but runs 720 fine. My other machine, which has a built in GPU plays 1080 fine, but chokes on 4K.Qubes can play video, but if you're doing anything that needs a GPU, you'll need a separate machine. This is not a secret.> you really need 32gb of ramNo, you need 16GB to be productive with Qubes, though you can squeeze it into 8GB if you're absolutely desperate. 32 gives a lot of wiggle room. I only ever use a lot of RAM when I'm running local LLMs on my CPU.> having few 4-5 qubes open with editor and few tabs just caused some of them to hang too often.If you're using Qubes with 8 or 16GB of RAM, you need to manage the memory for each qube. First, reduce the memory usage of dom0 to 2GB, and the sys qubes to 500MB each. Then set browser qubes to 2-2.5GB depending on your tab and video requirements. Editors probably only need 1GB. To play video you need more. You can change this in the settings dialog for each qube.This is how you get performance out of a 16GB system / make a 8GB system plausibly useful.> xfceI like XFCE.
>>107023038You can do GPU passthrough with Qubes. It requires extra hardware since you need a dedicated GPU/monitor just for that passthrough VM, but it works well, and is largely the same process as setting up GPU passthrough on a typical Linux installation. I can understand why someone wouldn't want something like Qubes if they're limited on time/hardware. I have a pretty powerful desktop computer that can handle it, though. I got 32 GB of RAM because RAM is cheap these days so why not? It only cost like $50 more compared to getting 16 GB of RAM. For something you use literally every day, like your computer, it's a worthy investment imo
