Are the "AI is a bubble" people retarded? AI is growing at an exponential rate exactly like people said it would. The models are improving, new tech keeps getting released, and there's no clear sign of a slowdown. What are they getting at?
>>107021814>AI is growing at an exponential rate exactly like people said it would.Unless you're taking the benchmarks at face value this hasn't been true for a while.
growing what, exactly?
>>107021814No you don't understand it, OP.They are fear mongering so a crash will happen.Something, something AI is stealing meh jebs.
>>107021832I'm not talking LLMs just Kurzweil’s singularity prediction for 2029 seems relatively on point so far.
>>107021814Can you show me where the growth happens in this picture?
>>107021911I don't see a problem.Is corporate trading not allowed in your communist utopia?
>>107021814you're right. sell your house and invest every penny into it
>>107021911It's only missing one big arrow coming from the Fed. The Fed's input arrow appears instantaneously from off on the complex plane.
>>107021928Communist utopia is actually exclusively about corporate (government) trading
>>107021894I'm so happy you still live with your parents and can't make financial choices
>>107021814Because it needs to generate cash flows to justify the enormous Capex, you dumb retard.American elites, aware that their empire is on its death throes and being surpassed by China, are under the delusion that they will be able to develop superintelligence before the Chinese and dominate the world for the rest of time. Problem is, LLMs don't scale that way, and this desperate attempt will fuck their own economies massively.
>>107022552There's no such thing as a corporation in communism. There are unions or communes or collectives or however you want to express it -- all of them are institutions where ownership is distributed solely among the workers. A corporation, as an independent entity owned by whoever has enough money to buy it, is almost the exact opposite. The corporation itself is a supra-person with rights strictly superior to the workers of that firm. In communism, the structure is the exact opposite: firms are not independent entities but expressions of collective labor.
>>107022605>There's no such thing as a corporation in communism
>>107021814>AI is growing at an exponential rateNo!
>>107022638It was never a communist country under any reasonable understanding of both communism and socialism. Socialism is the point where the means of production are owned "by the people" but there still exists a classful, stratified society. Communism is the point where the means of production are owned by the people and society is flat and classless.Leninism and especially Stalinism both interpreted "by the people" as state ownership rather than direct collective ownership. Russia also obviously never made it to a classless society. If ever there were a good-faith effort to transition from socialism into communism -- debatable -- those hypothetical good faith actors discovered that once the state has total power, there are very few incentives for the state to ever relinquish that power. It follows that the USSR had a brief flash of socialism and then collapsed into apolitical totalitarianism with communist symbolism.
>>107021814did the steroids make rich pina head bigger
>>107022672>it wasn't real communism>this westoid turboretardation is still a thingIt will never cease to be funny. t. slav
>>107022605Communism almost always devolves into a particularly corrupt pseudo-capitalism. Lenin's New Economic Policy set up special economic zones where State officials or his cronies could set up companies, or make deals with American and British corporations to sell Soviet (not russian) natural resources. That was only 3 years after the USSR took power. Even his fellow Bolsheviks were like "wtf are you doing," and he just said that's true communism. And sure enough, every single communist regime has followed the same pattern.
>>107022710Hey, I get it. Understanding things is wrong. If you make a good faith effort at understanding things you don't understand, you're in danger of having identity-centric ideas (e.g. "I'm a slav -- I know everything about communism") challenged. If that happened, the world might stop being a series of static blocks and start being a dynamic, constantly-evolving mass of chaos requiring active engagement instead of static references to known quantities. It's much easier to simply "refer back."
>>107022731I'm old enough to have a little red star on my birth certificate, anon. I'm not really interested in convincing some westerner dumbass about communism, I'm just saying that your stupidity is funny to anyone who actually had some experience with life under a communist regime.
>>107022723>almost alwaysThese statements hold more weight when you have an adequate sample size. You might have had a kind of thorn in the back of your mind when you typed out "almost always," because you're probably aware that the phenomenon of trying to adopt communism has only happened a handful of times in the history of our species, at least on national scales. An alternative frame is that prior failures are rich opportunities from which we can take lessons and apply them for the next iteration... and, as you say, probably one which avoids allowing cronyism to advantage itself in the socialist median period.
>>107021814>What are they getting at?sorry you lost, cope
>>107021814They're smarter in some ways but they still get shit tons of basic info wrong and go off the rails a few questions into a conversation.It's not good enough if it can't understand basic math or reasoning no matter how many fake benchmarks (all of which are designed by AI companies and funded by them) it can score well in.Like every week we see some insane case of AI bullshit absolutely fucking over the people trying to use it and no one actually having it shoved down their throats in the workplace wants it there. It also doesn't bring in noticeably better results for any company trying to use it "just because".
>entire AI bubble is built on top of circular investing>there is multiple trillions worth of investments floating around the startup space for AI companies>90% of which will likely never be returned as the vast majority of these companies will absolutely fail, as startups typically doYeah, totally not a bubble LMAOThe market crash is going to be absolutely fucking horrific and amusing.
>>107022761>capitalism gets implemented: it ends up being capitalism>fascism gets implemented: it ends up being fascism>monarchism gets implemented: it ends up being monarchism>gommunism gets implemented: well, that wasn't a real communism!Just shut the fuck up and go back to your containment board, you smelly faggot.
>>107021814They're scared of losing their jobs. Nobody can be objective about this since everybody has something at stake.
>>107022822do you believe that we today live in a capitalist society or something else? also monarchism was never "implemented" it is simply the default mode of governance of large societiesalso fascism was never implemented because it immediatly becomes apparent what a retarded and infantile ideology it isi passionately hate label wars, my ideology is that the economy needs some more regulation and that superpacs are the main driving force of the american goverment there's no label for that is there, huh cuck?
>>107022822I already explained to you exactly what communism is and why Russia has never been communist. The issue here is that we never actually get to discuss what Russia did wrong with respect to communism because we never manage to agree what communism actually is. Brainlets just get hung up on their inability to incorporate new information into their mental models and the whole thing ends up being tribal peacocking instead of healthy discussion.
AI it's BUSTEEED
>>107022579But I don't live with my parents
yeah exponential growth is a sure sign that something is not a bubble
>>107021814It is a bubble, and AI will redefine our lives. It's exactly like it was with the internet.
Has this nigger been in the ai threads lately? There are no proxies so nobody can use shit.The only model that can be realistically used by non-retards who don't blow large amount of money on chat bots is Deepseek. You can argue it doesn't have le SOVL or is bad at coding, but it's affordable slop that's good enough for companies that wanted slop anyways. Chinese AI will win.
>>107022924The invasion of Ukraine was not justified.
>>107021814OpenAIs subscribers are stagnant
>>107021814The only way to make it profitable is to scale it down so that it basically resembles a chatbot from the 90s. The bleeding edge stuff is basically only useful for replacing office workers. It's obviously going to change our lives but it's caused the scariest economic situation the western world has ever seen and it may be that the greater legacy will be that it does so much economic damage that we never fully recover.
>>107022745everything that he said just went over your head
>>107021814>Are the "AI is a bubble" people retarded?First that all Yes people are retarded for calling , auto-regressive transformer based Large Language models all AI.We have tons of specific task AI which is useful and dangerous, LLMs is just an small niche with a lot of hype and is not even powerful enough is just practically memorizing other-ones jobs.So what companies like openai are doing is artificial outsourcing tasks that their models imitate to do. The more people use it and give feedback the better it becomes memorizing. But guess what, the amount of transfer learning humans can do to this model is ending and these are incapable of generating real novel knowledge without human expertise guidance. So yes, Average humans are retarded, yes LLMs are a bubble and we need a new name for real AI to keep it away from the average low IQ monkey bubble blower next time.
>>107021814Do these AI companies actually generare profit, or is it just "revenue" by shuffling (or just promising to) the same 100 billion between themselves?
>>107024948nta, but the guy basically just said credibility by origin doesn't count. The other could easily be lying about being an authentic origin, strictly from the viewpoint of this thread. But this isn't even what "not you" is arguing against, and it ends up just saying personal opinions don't count as subjective criticism, which is fucking batshit.
>>107021814Yes. They are scared of being replaced. Fucking luddites
>>107021814>AI is growing at an exponential rate exactly like people said it would.I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I call bullshit, specifically corpo marketing bullshit.We are light-years from AGI. We're going to reach 2029 or whatever they predict and then it will be a nothingburger. Alternatively, they'll keep moving the goalpost ("we were wrong, AGI next year :o ") year after year until the sheep quit listening and the journalists stop giving them attention, kek
>>107025559No one needs AI to replace humans in an industrialized civilization, as the past four centuries have each shown time and again.
