because America rushed it through without thinking of the long term implications, as usual.

>>107022289
America cut corners

>>107022481
>>107022512
I'm not an electrician. what's wrong with 240v? additionally why do they have 220v and 230v as separate systems? I think almost all electronics can tolerate give or take 10v.

>>107022289
it should be 480V desu

>>107022650
>what's wrong with 240v
Nothing. 240V in the US is two phase and should be compared with 400V three phase elsewhere in the world. Of course the NA three phase standard for industrial is 690V but you still need to lug around a 120V supply for all the other equipment you want to use.
>additionally why do they have 220v and 230v as separate systems?
They don't. 230V is new standard 220V is old standard. The bump to 230V was to be more compatible with the other 240V standard (Oceania) which is also adopting 230V as their new standard.
>I think almost all electronics can tolerate give or take 10v.
They can. Typical supply tolerances are more than +-5%.

Kek, Eurocucks got mogged

>>107022650
https://chatgpt.com/s/t_68ff7f7f3fd88191bec1db625c1e7e55
Here. I used to believe Amerocans couldn't have kettles, but it's not that.
It's not as efficient, and you need thicker wiring

>>107022650
Double the amps, double the heat, more energy loss at 120v vs 230 to power a 230v appliance

>>107022752
>>I think almost all electronics can tolerate give or take 10v.
>They can.
I should add that most 230V electronics won't be designed for a 240V US supply and lots won't be compatible. If they are designed for compatibility then it will take something like 100-250V and still may not be designed for a 240V US supply.

>>107022650
Nothing, the voltage margin in my country is 5% which at the rated 230V can go up 241V
Modern power supplies especially class D can tolerate much much more
My house has spikes of up to 250V sometimes in summer because I have 20 kW in solar panels and three different models of inverters (because I got them from scrap) and I have never had significant issues, most importantly my PC power supply has absolutely no complaints, no weird voltage spikes or anything like that, it's a heavy corsair brick that will outlive me so that's nice
You're more likely to have some retard mess up rebuilding your electrical box and pushing 420V into your refrigerator than for the innate instability of the power grid to fry anything, it really is the most impressive contraption humanity has ever thought of

>>107022807
>My house has spikes of up to 250V sometimes in summer because I have 20 kW in solar panels and three different models of inverters
Lmao how old are those things

>>107022650
>I think almost all electronics can tolerate give or take 10v.
10% not 10V. Typical 110V power supplies are rated 100-120V. The ones rated 100-120V (that work in Japan and USA equally) are rated 85-132VAC internally.
Same for 220V European power supplies, they were 220-240V normally, while the 220-240V ones can go as far as 170-264V internally.
These are values I've seen on actual power supplies mind you, not something randomly computed.

Normally when using higher voltage, you just have the power supply running slightly hotter, and that's about it. So when we had our system bumped from 220V to 230V, everything worked the same.

>>107022289
The US actually uses both but the 220V in houses is typically only for clothes dryers and electric stoves. It has a much larger plug and heavier wires.

>>107022845
>I have 20 kW in solar panels
nice

>>107022289
We invented electricity, and established the standard for it. Then eurofags decided to create their own standard for no reason. Maybe if you find one you can ask them why they don't like compatibility.

>>107023638
Maxwell wasn't American

>>107023659
nor was Tesla

>>107023638
>lets see all EM units,
>Tesla, Maxwell, Kirchhoff, Hertz, Ampère, Faraday, Gauẞ, Volta, Ørsted, Rühmkorff, Coulomb, Kelvin, Holtz were american
Impressive, I didn't know america was such a GLOBAL empire even before exist as a country (Volta).

>>107023678
He was. Europeans love to drive their people away, but still want to be able to claim them as their own afterwards.

>>107023729

>>107023858
> In his autobiography, Tesla stated the manager of the Edison Machine Works offered a $50,000 bonus to design "twenty-four different types of standard machines" "but it turned out to be a practical joke".[49] Later versions of this story have Thomas Edison himself offering and then reneging on the deal, quipping: "Tesla, you don't understand our American humor".
Americans, such a good people.

America invented electricity and we say what goes

>>107023946
Europeans have no business sense.

>>107023986
Truth

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>>107023986
This.
The rest of the world had the benefit of following the trail we forged with our pioneer spirit.
Meanwhile, we are still blazing new trails while the rest of the world waits to follow our lead.
Also, my American made clothes dryer runs on 220V and is 25 years old. Why is it that these old American appliances last forever? And why can’t we buy news ones made like this anymore?

>>107024017
"business sense."
Civilized countries calls that "american business sense": scam, con-artist, fraud, lack of integrity, etc

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This should be standard everywhere, I am not even british but this plug is so good.

>50Hz
oh so that's why their TVs sucked

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>100V
Let's laugh at these voltlets.

>>107024209
Japan is a good example of a legacy cluserfuck, like their train network (closely related to the power grid), only Brazil gets close to that chaos.

>>107024093
And, coincidentally, "civilized countries" are all dirt poor and have to beg americans for help.

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>>107024325
More like "unasked help" forced by the US to cause problems and maintain the status quo pos WWII.

>>107022650
There were concerns over safety vs reactive demand on transmission lines in the early days. 60Hz is easier to phase correct because shorter waves, but it cuts through the human body more easily so they halve the voltage. In Japan they have 100V 50Hz following the same logic.

>>107022752
>240V in the US is two phase
No. Split phase means they split the same phase. It's a 240V, center tap transformer. There are like 6 companies in Boston running actual 2 phase power, built by old man Westinghouse himself.

>>107024360
Nobody cares about your electro-babble nonsense.

>>107022783
>double the heat
if the amperage is double and the wattage is halved then the power dissipation (i.e. heat generation) is the same by definition

>>107024550
*voltage, not wattage, fuck

>>107024556
No, because you have higher energy loss rates with higher amps vs volts.
It's why a tiny prong on a stun gun can be x1000 volts, but higher amps will melt the cables.

>>107024550
240v at 1 amp is more efficient than 120v at 2 amps, because your wiring can handle basically whatever amount of voltage, but not amps. If you touch electrical wiring in your house and die, it's the amps, not the voltage that will kill you.

>>107022289
If US is "120V /240V" then YUROP is 230V / 400V, get on our level amerifats.
>>107022650
>additionally why do they have 220v and 230v as separate systems?
We don't. It used to be 220V then the standard got raised to 230V at one point.
While in the UK it was 240V until dropping to 230V to consolidate with the rest of the EU.

>>107024550
line losses are in RI^2. Double the amperage = quadruple the line losses, assuming equal resistance.

>>107022289
Why can't NA use the metric system? Why can't UK and NZ drive on the right side?

>>107024828
They actually use SI for everything except their protected set of memeunits.

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ill agree to this if you give up metric

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i have only one question for metric faggots. what time is it?

>>107024124
the plug is good because the wiring in the walls is crap.

50Hz was the biggest mistake ever they still air 1080p50 here totally retarded shit

>>107025074
Daily reminder that the NTSC/60Hz bros created the 23.97600 fps

>>107022845
>I have 20 kW in solar panels
great, that's like 1 kW on an average semi cloudy day.

>>107024124
Australian is better

>>107024912
>Babylonian system of time
>looks inside
>reduced to metric seconds
The rest was spared of a 10-based system because the calendar will not be fixed (Maya calendar is horrible) and you don't need years/days/hours/min for a SI system that only needs 3 basic units: second, meter, and gram.
Meanwhile the US despite being a minor nation in science when the metric system was created actively refused to stop using memeunits, even after being forcefully converted to metric system (1" = 0.00254 m, exact)

>>107026352
Nah the japs are right. Unpolarized NEMA 1-15 is all you need. Everything beyond that is facilitating shit design.

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>>107026546
Yeah nah

>>107024124
>good
It is one of the worst, even the American one is better. It's dangerous and cumbersome.

>>107022650
>I'm not an electrician. what's wrong with 240v?
Nothing. And it's what sane parts of the world - i.e. Europe et al - actually use for a single phase.
European homes typically receive three phases of 240V each whereas US homes only receive two phases of 120V each.
As a consequence, In Europe one can have much heavier appliances running concurently without blowing a fuse.

>additionally why do they have 220v and 230v as separate systems?
They don't. It's a sliding scale of "somewhere between 220V and 230V" and actually that metric is about a decade and a half behind the times.
Europe largely pushed itself to 220V - 240V instead.

The US standardizes on 120 V at 60 Hz and offers two phases, combining to 240V maximum consumption if you have a fuse box wired correctly such that an appliance can bundle both phases. Combining phases in this system is shitty though and much MUCH more prone to failure and blown fuses than in the European three-phase system.
The European system standardized originally on 220V at 50 Hz over three phases, which upscaled slowly to 240V at 50 Hz over time combining to ~520V maximum consumption due to partially overlapping phases but leveling out load a bit and making the entire system more resilient against blown fuses if appliances have decent enough power train to load-level across phases,

The reason Europe went for higher voltage and lower frequency is it suffers less from the skin effect, i.e. less actual power loss during transmission over time.
The reason the US went for 60Hz is because it allows transformers to be physically smaller and use cheaper parts and less resources. As is usual with these things, the US went with short term gain over long term gain.

>>107024134
Most EU sets after the first few generations supported PAL60 or SECAM, which had 60 Hz output combined with all the benefits of color fidelity and visual clarity that the PAL signal composition had over the shitty ill-devised NTSC signal.

Also 50 Hz is actually closer to the 23.976 used for film, which meant PAL regions actually got an experience with movies far, FAR closer to their native recording rate than NTSC where all kinds of fuckery was needed to make it work. PAL could just upscale the entire movie's speed by slightly over a single frame per second which is all but unnoticeable. Whereas NTSC required pulldown trickery, frame removal, and frame duplication. Often leading to jitter, judder, and stilted motion in badly mastered materials.

>>107022650
>I think almost all electronics can tolerate give or take 10v.
They can and voltages are never that precise.
Roll out a long wire and you'll easily drop 10V.
As mentioned most countries settled for "230V" now as a good middle ground that all equipment handle but when you actually measure it at the outlet it might be 235V or 225V or even a bigger deviation.

>>107024791
>While in the UK it was 240V until dropping to 230V to consolidate with the rest of the EU.
EU is moving towards 240V as well.

>>107022752
>Its another 'Europe's entire identity as a collective consists entirely of bitching about everything America does and then doing it differently just to be obtuse' episode
>Meanwhile in America, we don't think about you at all

>>107024751
>it's the amps, not the voltage that will kill you.
Why do people that don't know anything about electrical safty keep repeating this shit. Where did this start?
Amps and volts don't kill, ventricular fibrillation kills you!

>>107026745
>time combining to ~520V maximum consumption
And FWIW - that's about the theoretical ideal maximum. No system in practice is going to actually be engineered to require that. Everything tops out at 400~440V instead, which means combining phases rarely if ever leads to problems with blown fuses. If that happens, you're dealing with a badly engineered appliance or a badly wired fuse box.

As an electrician once told me: there's roughly speaking three ways to wire a three-phase fuse box:
1. The right way
2. The wrong way which can result in fuses being blown.
3. The wrong way which can result in your house catching fire.

(The latter two are nearly exclusively used by either a) idiots that don't actually know what they're doing, or b) asshole construction firm contractors that know those bad ways take less time to wire and cost less material, i.e. are cheaper.)

>>107026745
Pretty sure 50Hz vs. 60Hz wasn't a conscious decision.
Both worked and some equipment maker happened to use 50Hz and others happened to use 60Hz.

Just like with railway gauges it was initially all small local systems and nobody thought about linking them up.
And when they did finally link up the systems they just used whatever happened to be most dominant, not what was best.

Japan happened to end up with 50Hz on one side of the country and 60Hz on the other side.
IIRC this was because one side used mostly Westinghouse equipment and the other side mostly General Electric.

>>107026883
>Pretty sure 50Hz vs. 60Hz wasn't a conscious decision.
It actually was.

Back in Europe at the time AEG established the standard of 50 Hz because it operated better with less overall flicker in lightbulbs than the 40 Hz used in earlier trials on experimental power grids and it propagated from there. Their choice was based on retaining the low-voltage, high current paradigm as much as possible.

Westinghouse in the US meanwhile, pushed for 60 Hz because it allowed reuse of existing AC motors in industrial applications and existing arc lighting solutions. And as a convenience, it allowed cheaper AC to DC conversion.
General Electric concurrently had a project running at Mill Creek to establish a grid as well, planned for 50 Hz, but were under pressure to align with Westinghouse so they caved and for reasons of marketability decided to bend the knee and adopt Westinghouse's 60 Hz standard.

>>107022752
240 is single phase, that's leg to leg, 120 to 120 in a delta configuration. There's no two phase. It's single, between two legs, and 3 phase between 3 legs.

>>107024912
6.3223?

>>107026669
Most appliances don't actually need to be grounded. The few that do need a low impedance ground path, which screw terminals do much more reliably.

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Enough of 50Hz vs 60Hz, behold 16.7 Hz

>>107026745
>US homes only receive two phases of 120V each
Why are euros such retards with electricity?

>>107022289
the NA plugs are dangerous and I wouldn't want to put 230 through that

They're arguing about voltage again even though it doesn't even matter...

>>107025013
I never said the we should wire out homes like the british.

>>107026998
That's still pretty random.
If G.E. caved to Westinghouse instead then America would have had 50Hz.
And if AEG decided 50Hz was still too much flicker Europe might have had 55Hz or 60Hz or 65Hz or whatever.

It was just what random companies preferred and not some well thought out standard based on science or policy making.

>>107027148
>behold 16.7 Hz
ACTUALLY, it is 16. 2/3 Hz!
Yes, 16 and two thirds.

>>107022650
>I think almost all electronics can tolerate give or take 10v.
Brb, overvolting my DDR4 to 11.2V

>>107027173
Meh, 230V won't kill you unless you're taking a bath or something.

>>107022289
Just replace the majority of the consumer electrical on an entire fucking continent, no big deal.
North America already uses 240V/480V for high power applications, with at least 240V being available in every house. The remaining things that only use 120V don't realistically need any more.

>>107022650
Shitty wiring will start fires twice as quickly, more volts = more potential for shorts

>>107027271
It's 50/3
If it were 16.7 that would truly be insane.

>>107027139
>Most appliances don't actually need to be grounded.
I only have one grounded receptacle in my apartment. My microwave refuses to work on any other outlet. Also beingungrounded causes my desktop PC' ethernet port to disable itself every few days. Shutting down the PC and discharging my PSU's capacitors fixes the ethernet temporarily.
Grounding is not a meme.

>>107027347
It's the other way around.
Lower voltage = higher current needed to run same load = higher risk of fire.

>>107027271
>16. 2/3 Hz
And now to get your mind blown:
16.2/3 x 3 = 50.0Hz exactly
It's all connected...

>>107024209
100V in Japan means even a toddler could wire a house and not have it set on fire. The problem though is mostly poorly done electrical work for decades across the country would immediately start fires if they ever raised it

>>107027363
Any metal pipe can be a ground point

>>107027363
Just get a bucket if dirt and stick a wire in it

>>107027363
It would be safer if no outlets were grounded.
If you touch an ungrounded appliance with an insulation fault with one hand and a grounded appliance with your other hand the current goes straight across your heart.

The one grounded outlet should be in a room with no other outlets to make this scenario unlikely.

>>107026745
>The reason Europe went for higher voltage and lower frequency is it suffers less from the skin effect, i.e. less actual power loss during transmission over time.
Transmission systems don't run at residential voltages, claiming it has any relation is flat out wrong.
The one "legitimate" reason was so people could cheap out on house wiring, same reason for the retarded ring mains of British houses.

>>107027387
Yep, you can ground your PC by connecting the case to a water pipe for example.

>>107026669
Implying anyone ever uses the cucklug. I know someone who had that earth lug accidentally go into the neutral when they plugged in something, explosion happened

>>107027386
Raising it just by 20V like burgers isn't gonna burn any insulation (otherwise it would burn with every spike), but many appliances built only for the japanese market could overheat or last less

>>107027417
>so people could cheap out on house wiring
They didn't though.
Standard breaker in Europe is 16A.

>>107027366
I’m talking about before a load is even placed on the circuit, but you are right. I mean shitty wiring junctions and dusty plugs etc., the kinds of things I see in 110/100V counties but don’t see in 240V countries

>>107022289
>>107022650
220, 230, 240V in Europe is all the same thing
Voltage isn't an exact constant

>>107027401
Use case for operating two appliances at the same time?

>>107027448
Some countries are on 10A or 13A

>>107027417
>Transmission systems don't run at residential voltages, claiming it has any relation is flat out wrong.
The high voltage grid across Europe still runs at 50 Hz. It's the pairing of lower frequency with higher voltage to carry comparable power levels to the US's 60 Hz, while reducing the skin effect which matters.

>>107027387
Brb, moving my gaymen pc to the bathroom

>>107026851
>Drowning doesn't kill you! Not getting oxygen is what kills you!
Because the alternative is being a pedantic faggot when it's not needed

>>107027472
I'm pretty sure most electrical fires happen because the circuit gets overloaded.

Sparks because of poor junctions are a possibility but they should normally only happen inside junctions boxes where they shouldn't be able to start a fire.

>>107027472
Being submerged in concrete with concrete dust is also better than loosely run wire on wood with wood dust

>>107026851
actually what happens is the brain stops getting oxygen because reverse revers osmosis in the lungs

>>107022289
because amerimutts are special snowflakes. see this as an example >>107023638
>We invented electricity
imagine believing you "invented electricity"...

>>107023638
well done, subtle, not too obvious.
4/10

>>107027148
Imagine being electrocuted with 16.66666666666666666666666666666666 Hz
Hellish.

>>107024912
half past 6 :^)

America based their entire electrical system on the fact that incandescent lamps would last longer with 120v.
They never imagined that electricity could have other uses other than light incandescent lamps.

>>107027139
>Most appliances don't actually need to be grounded.
You are so fucking dumb.

>>107027401
I know this is bait but in first world countries appliances without a ground are required to be double insulated

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>>107027877
He's right tho, TVs, computers and fridges are the exception, most appliances are double insulated (both the case, generally a polymer, and the low voltage side).

>>107022289
Because EVs threaten oil companies.

>>107026805
Seriously? The fuck?

>>107026805
why

>>107026805
They're not tho

>>107022289
Jews. Oh wait, serious answer? I don't know. I'd rather just have like 48V DC outlets at this point.

>>107022289
AC won't make it another 50 years. We're all moving to DC. Get on board now Eurocucks, maybe you can be a part of the future.

>>107027139
What a clueless dumbass.
Japs use TT earthing so it's already high impedance and will not trip a standard breaker. The connection of the appliance is meme-tier next to that.
>>107027363
>Also beingungrounded causes my desktop PC' ethernet port to disable itself every few days. Shutting down the PC and discharging my PSU's capacitors fixes the ethernet temporarily.
I have no fucking idea how that would happen but I know PC PSUs leak a little to earth as part of the noise filtering circuit and that's the only thing I can think of that could possibly cause such a thing.
Take the socket out and jumper the earth and neutral pins. If you don't have an earth contact get a socket with one and install it like that. It'll solve that problem.
This shouldn't produce mustard gas if your neutral connections are all reliable.
It beats nothing.

>>107027387
Tell me you don't know what "ground" means without telling me.
Literally a good chance that won't even do the main job of protecting you from a shock.

>>107028665
>Japs use TT earthing so it's already high impedance and will not trip a standard breaker. The connection of the appliance is meme-tier next to that.
This is both afactual and completely missing the point of grounding in modern appliances.

>>107022289
Why do Europeans get so angry when people don't conform to their ways?

Because we electrified long before europoors and 120V is what we standardized on. You don't uproot your entire electrical system just to fit in with a continent of homosexual retirees.

>>107027226
Yes - electrical standardization existed to basically cause the least friction with what was already in place.

Welcome to the world of infrastructure, where you don't simply upend 150 years of status quo because some people on the other side of the world are doing things slightly differently

>>107022756
no anon, we got mogged. Edison and Westinghouse should be rotting in their grave proper.

>>107024912
time had to deal with a ton of legacy bullshit like daylight savings, leap seconds, leap years. people also really wanted to keep the correlation between the movement of the earth, sun and moon, and tied it to their daily experience too, so you had timezones. dates are messy because timekeeping is messy.

>>107022289
>>107029117
In this case there IS a physics reason why 230/240v is the sensible choice, but 60Hz would still be the better resonance.

Everyone is partially wrong.

>>107026851
>don't know anything about electrical safty keep repeating this shit.
my dads an electrical engineer and he says this shit constantly

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American light globes are the objectively superior design over britbong bayonet globes at very least

>metal thread on metal thread, just screw it in until firm
>metal peg on shitty plastic hook housing that crumbles and breaks after being exposed to heat for too long

>>107026530
Kilogram, not gram, is the base unit, because metric is retarded.

>>107028653
We still have 2 phase stations from the 19th century. It'll probably be 300 years before a full top down DC conversion.

>>107022289
Much of Europe was 120V in the past. Doubling the voltage allowed reuse of undersized mains infrastructure, a benefit to an impoverished post-war continent. 120V is safer, and is still mandated on job sites in the UK and Ireland (yellow CEE sockets). 230V is a cope: efficiency/cost savings in exchange for lower safety.

Of course every comment in this thread boils down to "whatever we have in my country is the only non-retarded option"

>>107024209
truly sucks.
when i switch on my amp or projector, for a second, my ups actually switches on and the lights dim.

>>107030196
That's incorrect and really just a massive mutt cope post.

>>107028653
At typical supply voltages AC is more efficient and cheaper. Power electronics are continuously dropping in price and increasing in capability which is only solidifying the future of AC at the distribution level.

>>107024124
I like the switches on the wall. I never need to remember to unplug anything. Just flip and go to work

>>107024134
my Samsung monitor is 120Hz. This is not an issue in the 21st century

>>107030100
>scientist/engineers had to adapt the system to simplify calculus
>the only change was using a prefix multiple
>problem solved
Try to do the same with the ameri-pseudounit

>looks inside the ameri-pseudounits system
>the original was so complex that they had to drop most units (like mass, but not liquid lmao)
>it's essentially a metric system with a retarded legacy wrapping to make it less useful, more retarded, stupidly nationalistic and excellent excuse to crash space probes
>most textbook problems are related to unit conversion
Clownery should have a limit.

>>107024350
boohoo you lost

>>107026745
>fuses
eurangutans are in the stone age

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>>107026790
>SECAM
lmao

>>107032317
we get it, you're still mad about the moon landing
>the original was so complex that they had to drop most units (like mass, but not liquid lmao
Mass is measured in slugs. It's not difficult or especially obscure. We just don't use mass and weight interchangeably like metric midwits because they're not the same.

>>107026790
>Whereas NTSC required pulldown trickery, frame removal, and frame duplication
It may be harder for you to understand, but the actual time delta is less and it's invisible to the user either way. PAL just sucked. Having better picture in a region where nobody could afford better picture is not a positive. Shit just goes from cope to seethe.

>>107026790
24fps on 50Hz will have a lot of judder too.
PAL was a dogshit standard, NTSC a slightly less dogshit one. We've moved on to 120Hz which works for 24, 30 and 60 fps content perfectly. Meanwhile the retarded 50fps shit from PAL doesn't.

>>107032317
Metric is superior because it's more convenient but both are arbitrary. You're simply converting a bunch of units. Normal people just use both. Autists argue about arithmetic.

>>107034525
It's easier to understand, but not necessarily convenient in physical space. Metric carpentry just sucks.

>>107027160
If that statement is false then explain how it is.

My house, like all small residential buildings, gets three phase wires and a neutral wire from a transformer nearby. Phase to neutral is 230 V. Phase to phase is 400 V. Lines at a frequency of 50 Hz and offset by 120 degrees from each other. All my stuff runs on 230 V single phase, 230 V three phase, or 400 V three phase.

Now I've been trying to figure out how the burger system works, but supposedly it's such a clusterfuck that no one can seem to give a simple explanation.

>>107034789
There're 2 ways to connect 3-phase transformers, Δ (3 phases floating, they might have a center pole for each phase) and Y (3 phases + shared neutral pole).

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>>107034789
It's single phase transformer with a 120/240V center tapped secondary. Electricians like to call it 'split phase', which makes people imagine there's more than one for some reason. In a 2 phase system the phases are 90 degrees different instead of 180.

>>107034956
Might have?

Does that mean you have residential transformers at both delta and star configurations? Are the phases always 240 VAC @ 60 Hz?

>>107035041
Americans don't have residential 3 phase transformers.

>>107022481
How's that working out for them? Oh they're #1 and you live in a shithole country? Ok carry on.

>>107035138
Both have their share of problems. The American system is more expensive but Europeans live in fear of reactive loads.

>>107023729
Tesla is American, he's an American citizen, worked in America and created all his inventions in America.

>>107035186
>Being Serbian in Austria-Hungary
>Study the new field of electricity and its applications in Austria-Hungary and later France
>Work in France and invent in France
>Move to the US to do some extra money and patent his ideas there
>after less than 10 years the schizophrenia and coexistence with scammers ends his carrieer
>spends the next 40 years writing schizo slop
>totally american bro
You're fucking stupid.

>>107035568
europooreans so mad at murica for existing they invent secret mind virus to explain typical ee behavior

>>107035746
Nice projection, lmao even.

>>107032317
The only advantage to metric is that it's easier to calculate manually, which is a moot point now that literally everyone has a calculator at all times. Most of the units are awkward to use in actual practice.
>meter is awkwardly long, centimeter is awkwardly short (the base unit should've been the light-nanosecond)
>kilogram is awkwardly heavy, gram is awkwardly light, but at least the metric ton is a useful unit by pure chance
>liter is simultaneously awkwardly too big and too small, so everything important uses either cubic meters or cubic centimeters
At least we managed to dodge adopting metric time. Can you imagine having to use kiloseconds in everyday life? What a shuddersome thought.

>>107022289
If you were not retarded you would realize we are using 240 in north america but it is split into two phases.

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Why almost no country uses 220V 60Hz?

>>107036345
>If you were not retarded you would realize
that we are using 400V three phases in most of the rest of the world.
Also, split phase is the most retarded thing ever.

>>107036641
It's actually a lot less dumb from a grid perspective to load secondary windings differently than separate phases. Whatever extra stress your unbalanced load creates ends with that transformer.

>>107036345
see >>107035024

>>107034689
>Metric carpentry just sucks.
You must be Murican.

>>107036685
I've talked to several Canadians who tried both and came to the same conclusion. Having fractions built in is actually a convenience in a lot of cases, and 1/32 is a smaller base unit than mm.

>>107022481
>without thinking of the long term implications
Tell me, how are you going to charge your electric toothbrush? How cheap's the hair dryer? What if you want to install a night light in your bathroom?

>>107024042
>And why can’t we buy news ones made like this anymore?
Because no one has pride in what they actually do right, they only have anger for what people do wrong.

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>>107036720
If americans only know how to use fractions

>>107036666
But here in three phase land all big consumers are also three phase. So creating a significant inbalance with only small devices is very difficult.

But the real benefit is to net get a zero-crossing, and therefor no power, 120 times per second.

>>107036837
We still use 3 phase for transmission and big customers, just not residential.

>>107036837
>So creating a significant inbalance with only small devices is very difficult
Apparently it is an issue because you keep having to pass phase correction on to residential.

>>107036720
>1/32 is a smaller base unit than mm
How can 1/32 be a base unit. The /32 is in the name. If mm us too big for you, try um. Btw, meter is the base unit not milli meter.

>>107022289
infrastructure is expensive so old decisions last forever
iirc us power lines already deliver 240v and it gets split by residential breakers into 120v lines
devices that require 240v get wired in directly or use dedicated lines

>>107024042
>And why can’t we buy news ones made like this anymore?
Because we're fucking poor now. Speed Queen and Maytag still make them but nobody wants to pay $1400 for a top loader.

>>107036891
Because in physical reality mm and 32nds are the smallest unit you can on the tools. Metric midwits foiled by surface level comprehension yet again.

>>107036864
I know. I worked on electronics connecting to it. It's a completed clusterfuck nightmare. Ever heard of cornerd ground? How about combining this with PE? And now your designe is fucked...

>>107036964
>mm ... are the smallest unit you can on the tools.
Maybe on your shitty tools. I do 0.25mm for wood and 0.1mm for metall all the time and don't even consider it precise.

>>107037044
right show us this circular saw that's marked out to 0.1mm

>>107037065
Some table saws have 1/5mm -> 0.2mm
Also CNC has been a thing for about 40 years now.

>>107037065
what circular saw has 0.1mm precision?

>>107022289
277/480 volt wye should be the universal power standard.

>>107027148

how fast train move at 50 again

>>107037177
This is the first based post itt.

>>107037118
Yeah they use mils for that in the states. The point is to work longer without switching to gigabux stationary tools or calipers.

>>107022289
>Why can't 240v be the only standard
Because the only country that matters doesn't use it

>>107037126

table saw with guide and check lumber

>>107037242
show me what table saw can do cuts with less than 0.1mm tolerance

>>107037214
You're right, China uses 220v

>>107027148
>danes being shitheads as usual

>>107030196
Just don't touch the wires retard.

>>107022650
working on 110V will give you a bad hair day if you fuck up
working on 220V if you fuck up will put you in the morgue
as much as I like to sneer at the Brits for their loicense bullshit, you kind of need to really know your shit for 220V, but there’s no on-ramp to try out easy shit at home in your own home
it’s professional or bust
and no we don’t care that teakettles heat up way faster

>>107026530
Imperial will always be superior for daily human-scale things (what temperature is it, how big is that beer, etc)
you wanna use your base-10 system for muh science, fine. But leave me the fuck alone

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>>107038208
500 mL will always beat a US pint.
BYE

>>107038208
Honestly I'd say only Fahrenheit is better for everyday use. Metric is either better or the same.

>>107036720
Dunno who the fuck you were talking to, but I'm a Canadian who's tried both can confidently say and imperial sucks. Nearly everyone here I've discussed it with agrees.
The majority of people who cling to imperial are those who learned it before Canada largely switched to metric, and were never willing to fully adopt it.

>>107022289
we get 220v but most common appliances are 127v and to get 220v to an outlet you need to double your thingo in the wall
its stupid

>>107024267
>only Brazil gets close to that chaos
Elaborate? I thought Brazil (and most of South America) was on 220v.

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>>107038208
>Imperial will always be superior for daily human-scale things
narrow worldview retard. jesus christ, you should be embarrasses to parrot that in 2025

>>107038565
They're still a mix of 127 or some weird shit like that. Japan having regions stuck on 100V 50Hz is a superpower on the global market. If your full range PS works in Japan it's 500 feet tall and bulletproof anywhere else.

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>>107038565
>2/3 different voltages
>2 different types of transformer connections
>no standardized domestic sockets until recently (imagine 5 times of incompatible sockets)
>60 Hz in a region of 50 Hz and with high dependency of energy exchange (renewable energy), the Southern Cone's partially unified power grid (Brazil, Paraguay, Argentina, Uruguay) has a lot of frequency converter stations/HVDC line to balance power generation
In a sense it's similar to Japan but with worse safety.

>>107038554
>fully adopt grade school arithmetic
solo metric is a cult you need to spend at least 12 years in wef brainwashing camp to join

>>107038208
kek'd at this. Peak American moment.

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>>107038208
>Imperial will always be superior for daily burger-related things (if the shopping buggy is charged, how fat is that woman, etc) or however burgers gets fried

>>107023638
Amerimutt education at its finest.

>>107038208
>mutts: NO KINGS
>also mutts: lets stick to this measuring system based on how big the gaps were between some medieval kings birth defects
>or how much blood he lost per hour because of his genetic faults from centuries of inbreeding
kek

>>107022481
aren’t you guys the ones who don’t have air conditions? why’s that?

>>107039859
because measuring leather cuts in terms of how far light can travel in an arbitrary fraction of a second is much more reasonable
metroons are deranged

>>107039885
>air conditions
saar

>>107039911
In that case imperial uses the same definition basis.

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>>107038208
>base-10 system for muh science
>science
You have 10 fingers and 10 toes.
Unless Americans are so inbred that they have 12?

>>107041094
I think you've cracked it, anon.

why are Americans so obsessed with measuring things based on the size of some Old English king's foot

im still waiting for an americunt to defend "gauge" measurements
>its uuhhhh the how many 1 inch orbs of it fit in a pound of them
absolute devilry

>>107038208
celsius is better since 0 is where water freezes and it only snows around 0. beer glasses havent been standardized properly in years so it doesnt matter for that, you just get "a glass" no matter where you are.

>>107037211
a pair of calipers is 10$ nigga even i have one of those "carbon fiber" digital ones and it cost me nothing

>>107023638
sometimes I'm just amazed at how stupid americunts are

>>107042152
>im still waiting for an americunt to defend "gauge" measurements
>its uuhhhh the how many 1 inch orbs of it fit in a pound of them
That's a gunsmith's gauge. It tells you how much lead you're sending down range. Actually very reasonable. Wire gauge is completely insane.
>a pair of calipers is 10$
Yeah just have the cabinet guy whip those out every time he makes a cut. I'm sure they'll be accurate and totally won't get bent to shit.

>>107023858
He wasn't. He was a Serb.

>>107042402
>gauge
im pretty sure wire/sheet gauge predates gunsmith gauge and even gunsmith gauge is stupid because not every projectile is a ball (and perfect balls were historically really hard to make) and combined weight of shot is a more useful measurement to estimate Terminal Ballistic Performance (which is why sane countries would just say "it's an x-pound shot for a y-caliber cannon" and use of solely "x pound shot" fell out of favor once barrels started being actually straight (instead of slightly conical for muzzle-loading)

>Yeah just have the cabinet guy whip those out every time he makes a cut.
a T-square and a set of shim style gauges are 3$ each

>>107024751
>it's the amps, not the voltage that will kill you
midwit take. Even if you had a magic generator that generated 1V 100A of electricity somehow, it would do nothing to you because of your body's high resistance, current won't flow to your body amps will be low.
A flyback transformer inside a 12V portable CRT TV generating 10kV 1,2mA of electricity on the other hand...

>>107042544
1.2 mA is below the lethal threshold. Electrostatic discharge don't kill people, at least not usually and it's 5 - 50 kV but low charge because neurons don't 'react' to voltage but to current (and it depends of ΔT), it's obvious you need a min voltage to reach that current, but skin resistance is the main factor and it varies a lot depending on the conditions (from few hundred Ω to ~10kΩ iirc), beyond 50-60 V it's dangerous (worst case) but a pacemaker barely needs 12-20V at maximum to control the cardiac muscle.

>>107026790
>PAL could just upscale the entire movie's speed by slightly over a single frame per second which is all but unnoticeable
You're fucking delusional. I could instantly recognize that a clip from American Psycho on Youtube came from a PAL encoding. And sure enough, the uploader was from Denmark.

>>107042633
>and it depends of ΔT
anyone who says this instead of just "time" is a fart huffing retard and needs to get got

same for faggots who say ΔV instead of "fuel" btw

>>107042659
Time ≠ time interval
My condolences about your """education"""

>>107042544
>body's high resistance
And this is important to understand because that resistance (technically it's impedance here) can change.
A shock that didn't kill you when you got in contact with dry hands, might kill you if you touched it with sweaty hands instead.

>>107042679
then just say time interval (or duration/phase/frequency/whatever nonsense you meant despite not understanding it)

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>>107042794
Doing that will not fix your obstinate ignorance.

>>107042544
you are the midwit. 50,000 volts wont kill you. 0.7a will. your little fantasy magic generator does not disprove the saying, and im pretty sure 1v 100a would in fact kill you.

>>107042846
If 0,7A would kill you then just touching a phone charger would have been enough to fry most people.
>50,000 volts wont kill you
if that is the case go find a job in the electric sector and handle high voltage wires. You must have an impressive resistance (pun intended) against high voltages.

>>107036322
this has to be the most retarded reasoning on why metric is worse i have ever read lmao

>>107042846
You would never ever get a current of 100A through your highly resistant body with just 1V.
1V @ 100A would mean the total resistance would only be 0.01 Ohm. It would just not happen, your whole premise is impossible.

A meter long thin copper cable has higher resistance than that.

>>107042846
>1v 100a
what is ohms law my dude

you would grab both ends of the wire and receive like 0.000000000001a because your resistance is very high compared to whatever you're touching that has that kind of current at such a low voltage

>>107042474
>im pretty sure wire/sheet gauge predates gunsmith gauge
They weren't making standardized sheet metal or wires with machines in the 15th century.
>and perfect balls were historically really hard to make
Just melt lead and let the droplets fall 2 stories into a bucket of water. Not perfect circles but perfect enough for shotgun work. Want a larger ball for your rifle? Make a brass mold. Very simple stuff.

>>107042474
>a T-square and a set of shim style gauges are 3$ each
Yeah the imperial ones are marked with better resolution than the metric ones.

>>107043162
>t-the lines are b-better on muh king's foot measure sticc
giga cope

>>107039885
You want the real answer?
Until recently Europe did not have enough hot days to make AC necessary. Looking at averages, the hottest parts of Europe are comparable to the coldest parts of the mainland US. In the last 3 years all houses in my neighborhood installed ACs.

>>107043152
>They weren't making standardized sheet metal or wires
yeah which is why you'd have to say "I need a 16ga wire for my wire rope" and then i guess the wire man has to ascend the goat tower to drop molten steel into a bucket to figure out how wide 16ga steel wire would be for the bridge up the road

even in terms of shot it's retarded. your 8ga shotgun fires slugs which aren't 8ga themselves because of varying designs of slugs

>>107043205
AC is really there to control humidity. You can always insulate more.

>>107043224
>you'd have to say "I need a 16ga wire for my wire rope" and then i guess the wire man has to ascend the goat tower to drop molten steel into a bucket
Wire gauge isn't shot gauge dumbass.
>your 8ga shotgun fires slugs which aren't 8ga themselves
Because if it was made to fire slugs it would be a musket, and the bore would be measured in inches.

>>107042882
The threshold is 70 milliamps.

And no 50 kilovolts would not necessary kill you if the source can't supply enough current.. Though I suspect a 50 kV stun gun would properly fuck you up

>>107027347
Electricity can arc about 1mm per 1000V in air.
With that the difference would be 0.1mm. I don't think that would reasonably increase the potential for shorts.

>>107027386
The lower the voltage the higher the fire risk tho. Overheating wires are the danger.

>>107035138
EU lives on resourceless peninsula where there isn’t enough fossil fuel to go around and who lost the tech monopoly in WW2. US lives on low density populated continent with no enemies, every natural resource in abundance and tech/innovation monopoly (US has the most innovative top universities which means the best foreign students go there which then causes that school to be more innovative, which attracts more top foreign students). You didn’t have to build your suburbs the way you do, and you didn’t have to destroy your public transport the way you did.

>>107043460
The problem with the US is we have niggers. So yes, the suburbs have to be car dependent so cracked out niggers won't just wander in, and I invite any fans of universal public transit to ride the subway in Atlanta. Wear a GoPro.

>>107043536
>>107043460
>thread about electricity
>/pol/ chimps out about blacks and indians
lol

>>107042645
>youre fucking delusional. im an autistic faggot and this is literally the only thing ive ever done independently in my so called "life" so ill shout about it
fify

>>107043621
truly the eurokek will turn to any boogeyman rather than face his own inadequacy

>>107043629
>NTs seething about their own ignorance
Always funny no matter how many times you see it

>>107043444
Not him.
"Low" voltage was relevant before the cheap polymers and better coatings (like enamels), cheap wire insulation was restricted to oil-impregnated cloth or paper (that could be chemically treated) and not really thick, of good integrity or clean.
Quality and materials improved well before WWII though even before polymers like PVC.

>>107042633
Getting shocked by static electricity can be multiple amps of current at high voltage, it's just not for a long enough duration to be lethal.

>>107034493
The difference between NTC 60Hz (aka 60 fields interlaced / 30 frames progressive) and film's 24p (24 frames per second, progressive) is 6 frames per second.
The difference between PAL 50Hz (aka 50 fields interlaces / 25 frames progressive) and film's 24p is only one frame per second.

In PAL's case, film could simply be sped up to 25 while retaining all footage. An increment of ~4% that is almost imperceptible.
In NTSC's case, the gap is too big and closing it that way is a 20% speed increase which is VERY noticeable. That meant you needed to use more complicated pulldown and frame decimation methods to make the 24p port over to 30 FPS progressive / 60 Hz interlaced.


Also, PAL both had higher resolution AND greater color fidelity than NTSC did.
As for the world having moved on to 120 Hz: in actuality the world has moved on to fluid panel refresh rates with GSync and Freesync. Which means PAL-50 material plays back perfectly fine. No problem whatsoever. (Also; you forgot to rant about PAL-60, which is the much higher quality PAL signal at NTSC's 60 Hz.)

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>people arguing about voltage/current lethality again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGD-oSwJv3E

>>107043460
>EU lives on resourceless peninsula where there isn’t enough fossil fuel to go around
Europe has fucktons of coal in Germany and the Netherlands is sitting on top of one the largest repositories of natural gas in the entire fucking world.

The problem isn't the availability of the resources. It's the extraction of them causing irrepairable environmental damage and the problem of population density giving that a fairly if not immediately direct effect on the health and wellbeing of the populace.

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>>107029117
They used to be in charge of the world and now they're American vassal states. You'd be ornery too.

>>107045118
nimby poorfags lmao
enjoy getting buttfucked by unc for the next 200 years

>>107045378

is there anything good that actually came out from usa is : Bugers and their humor.

>>107045378
this is what americans actually believe

>>107045452
Perhaps. I actually look forward to the day when people can stop looking to America to save the day or lead the next big thing.

>>107045595
>look forward to the day when people can stop looking to America to save the day or lead the next big thing.
that already happened, during or just after coof

>>107045542
It's true though. Celsius is worthless for temperatures under 50 if you're accustomed to using both.
>but what about freezing
Who cares? -40 is the same on both. If it's over -40 it's not that cold.

>>107045595
Well then America's going to have to stop throwing hissy fits every time somebody does something without them lol

>>107045524
(Ham)burger are from Hamburg, germany.