Why are Linux DE's still incapable of looking as professional as Windows 95 or Windows 2000? It feels like this extends to programs as well.
>>107023148Why is windows incapable of doing the same?
>>107023148Because of the exact same reasons the soviet blocks were shitholes and nothing good ever came out of them.
>>107023148Notice how you had to show a decades old UI, because modern Windows is objectively worse than KDE?
>>107023516That's the whole point you retarded animal. He specifically mentioned the old ones because everything that abandoned the classic look afterwards looked like trash, but troonix has never looked good to begin with.
>>107023148Windows 2000 was peak Windows UI, what was this style design called? Was it skeuomorphism?
>>107023609the icons are skeumorphic, yeah. i remember the win9x (incl. 2k) UI design being described as "3D". that is to say the way everything has shadows/highlights around the edges of elements give everything a recognisable separation of depth. it's like you can tell how it would feel if you were to run your finger over it
>>107023392We lost the technology.
>>107023148https://store.kde.org/p/2138468
>>107023891amateurish
>skeusomthingZoomer word, opinion discarded.
>>107023148I've found computers in the past to be scary
>>107023148Everyone in design fell for the flat meme
>>107023495Soviet blocks are objectively shit, and they look shit too but windows classic theme is PEAK.
>>107024159Amen and amen.
>>107023557This.
>>107023891KDE is not the DE to recreate the old Windows look with. Try using XFCE or LXQt instead
>>107024368I tried xfce and it's way worse than kde
>>107023148>>107023878>this little rodent solves the UI problem
>>107023557
>>107024548maybe back in 2012today it's just an ugly bloated cope with no features
>>107024608Ghastly nigger brown OS. Do not redeem.
>>107023148>Why are Linux DE's still incapable of looking as professional as Windows 95 or Windows 2000?https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95
use case for having the gay so bad your brain is unable to see how perfect the gnome interface is.
>>107025537Usecase for gnome when Xfce exists?
>>107025483Exactly the point. The only way for troonix not to look awful is to mimick classic windows.
>>107024548Chicago95 is XFCE4 and still has limitations inherent to Linux, namely not ever being able to get the scaling and spacing fucking right.
>>107023148>Why are Linux DE'sIt's your job to theme, or as some FUCKING RETARDS here say, "rice" it, like you want. I'll tell you how.WARNING. HARD TASK AHEAD. READ CAREFULLY.Download 2k theme. Apply 2k theme. Enjoy.
>>107025601>why can't linux look like windows, waaaaah>why does linux look like windows, waaaaah
>>107025802there's a better one on icewm called ice2k, I think that's the closest recreation I've seen on linux.
>>107025601You babyducks will come up with any excuse. Do you still run Windows 7 as well?
>>107025889Yep. I'm still impressed that IceWM, out of all the more "modern" fucking options options, is the one that has achieved the most authentic 2K look...
>>107025889lol i know the dude behind it since 2019 or soi actually know of an even more accurate one made with tde (see picrel) than that but the dude behind it (a different one) has yet to release it, only proof of existence i know of is on the unixporn discord and i dont browse reddit
>>107024935okay, is bluecurve more your kinda shit or you seethe and disintegrate at the mention of a red hat? are you genuinely THAT joyless? let me know bro
>>107025483You will never be Windows/Woman/Woman+Windows
>>107025880>>107025911Cope and seethe, Windows XP in it's heydey was infinitely more customizable than Linux is today.
>>107026449>picThere's no fucking way that is Linux. It looks too perfect. >>107025889https://toiletflusher.neocities.org/ice2k/God damn it, I should pay him to develop this. Who knew that replacing the desktop environment was the best solution for Linux.
>>107025483Why doesn't mine look like that image? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5UeSj2F-yc
>>107023148I mean objectively CDE looks more ""professional"" than Win98 but also much harder to use (can anyone tell how was it?). Also you can make KDE look like Win Classic piss easily.
>>107027082cde is older and was advanced for the time. You can still install and use it today, picrel is my install running on fedora. I wouldn't recommend it though, it's definitely tough to use. The dock at the bottom for example is a part of the window manager itself and programs constantly cover it if you want to maximize things, and I found it a pain to cycle through different programs I had open to use what I want.Check out nscde, it's a recreation of this with fvwm and functions much better. It's still a bit jarring at first but you can easily get used to it and modify it to run as a daily driver. I used it for a couple of weeks not to long ago. My favorite retro environment though is probably windowmaker and I've used that for much longer.>>107026449that looks very good too. I haven't ever used tde, I should boot it up sometime. I use xfce a lot but I generally prefer qt over gtk.>>107027060if you have the cash then you should. I'm in his discord and he shows what he's doing there but iirc said he was a bit unmotivated when I asked him. It's not finished but it still seems to be mostly good enough to use.>>107027071post a pic
>>107023609Memphis.
>>107023516>KDE is better than windowsI wish this shit wasn't true...How can Winniggers live like this?
>>107027609Not even close.
>>107024548A FUCKING RAT
I should download Mint XFCE edition and see how Chicago95 looks on it for myself. I only ever used Cinnamon Mint. Maybe it will be fun.
>>107027039no it wasn't lmao. Look up some of the things people were doing with compiz on youtube when xp was a thing. Most of those things windows can't even do today.
>>107027082>objectively looks more professionallol
>>107027560>It's not finished but it still seems to be mostly good enough to use.how much of it is unfinished exactly and where is that evident
It looks more professional because like a dog or niggercattle you were trained to associate it in such a manner. Now you cope, seethe, piss and shit yourself because 20 years ago was the high point of your life.
>>107027639Windows 8 and 10 made people put up with anything
>>107027827What's the point you are trying to make you double-nigger? You're probably writing to people who weren't even born yet 20 years ago.
>>107027827No of course modern kde plasma is more professional sir
Wake me up when you can do a total conversion of current Firefox versions to look like Netscape navigator again. What's the point of doing this if the web is infested with shitty design derived from Microsoft's abortion of an interface after 2012?
>>107024423LXQt then. KDE is not the desktop to make it look like an old OS. The way it handles aliasing of fonts is terrible and the general direction of KDE is to "modernize" it
>>107027852So you're seething about KDE that I didn't mention indicating the DE that buckbroke you.>>107027845And you're seething about a time you weren't alive and like a woman you're upset that some DE doesn't validate some vague "feeling" you have. I thought the point was self evident. You don't realize how dumb you are
>>107028123KDE is the closest to what can be considered "windows experience" that's why I mentioned it.
>>107026508Looks better without the brown, but I'm more of an OS/2 type nerd myself: https://winworldpc.com/product/os-2-warp-4/os-2-warp-40That's where it's at for me.
>>107027560I just asked the dude behind ice2k if he would accept payment (I mean hey what if he’s interested in donations) and he says he’s already technically being paid because of a hack club
>>107028153Cinnamon is closer to Windows imo. All Linux newfags should try Linux Mint Cinnamon first. It just works
>>107023148>professionalTotally subjective.
>>107028447>CinnamonYes, very>Mintlol no. Use AlmaLinux or Rocky and get Cinnamon from EPEL
>>107027560nsCDE is abandoned and CDE has compilation issues with newer versions of gcc.
>>107028732>nsCDE is abandoned it's already a complete project. You can use it with fvwm3 and I only noticed a single bug, which you can fix by changing a line in one of the cfg files.>CDE has compilation issues with newer versions of gccI compiled it from source a few weeks ago. They update the git with fixes and you can usually fix the errors you get with a command or two.
>>107023609>what was this style design called?Windows Classic. Hardly much else to call it. It's that "faux 3D edges, 90 degree angles everywhere" UI that pretty much died with the turn of the millennium. Mac OS did that too with Platinum. Look at Linux/UNIX desktops from the time they all had a similar design.It's really fucking good cause it means excellent definition of UI elements but is mostly a product of the hardware limitations of its time.Windows 10 is a sorta gayed the fuck up relative to it since it too has absolutely no round corners anywhere but it lacks all the definition of Windows Classic so it's just a colossal pile of shit.>Was it skeuomorphism?Skeumorphism is pretty much Apple's thing from 2007-2014, little else can fit under that definition.What it means is, the UI's design apes its real life function's equivalents. Things like the camera having a shutter animation and making the sound of an actual camera when you take a pic.Like this, it's a news reader thing that iOS 6 had and it looks like an actual fucking wooden bookshelf with your shit on it, angled back and all.
>>107029076Or OS X 10.8 and its harming of virtual cows. The leather window decorations, the torn paper hanging from it, it had paper animations too when changing pages.
>>107023702"Rectilinear faux 3d" or "embossed rectilinear" for the control boundaries and window decorations.Yeah isomorphic paletized cartoon skeuomorphism for the icons.
>>107027082>>107029123The big thing we really lost that actually mattered was CUA (common user access) which was the design language which meant all the GUIs worked more or less the same.The iPhone killed that.
>>107023148I mean... Chicago95 theme exists for like every WM/DE
Does anyone know a really good windows xp DE for linux that might also have the sound effects when you shut off the pc?
>>107023148>looking as professional as Windows 95 or Windows 2000?You misspelled "Windows Vista"
>>107029243That's 10 and that's DISGUSTING
you can install WindowMaker right nowwhy haven't you?
>>107029243Windows 10 will never overcome its UWP and Metro hell
>>107029148It exists for Cinnamon now too?>>
Why couldn't someone just port the serenityos desktop to linux and bsd?
>>107028447This looks great. Wish Mint Cinnamon looked like this out of the box.
I just want an OS UI that makes sense and has coherent, easily identifiable controls instead looking like of an abstract minimalist art piece designed by third-world preschoolers.Why is that so hard?
>>107029148and they all look like shit. there does not exist a single pixel-perfect 9x recreation WM.
>>107031765muh legacy sustems or something is microshats answer as to why they cant make windows consistent
>>107023148Probably something to with how they are always trying to ape whatever Microsoft and Apple are doing and devs would prefer to work on new thing over old thing, therefore never having a chance to mature.Of course, you can always install FVWM/MWM/Windowmaker if you want the old-school UNIX experience.
>>107023148Bloat, literally
>>107025483looks like shit>>107025998>era appropriate WM and toolkit (FOX) can mimick windows 2000 better than modern DEs that have scaling in mindno shit>>107026449looks nice, they should mess with the tqt theme though
>>107028479No. Shutup. He was talking about winrefugees. I've used Linux for around 15 years and I have no idea what obscure shit you're taking about. Contain your autism.
>>107029148how'd you get the window in the top right
>>107023148Because picrel is linux code.
>>107023148They can look exactly like that, you retarded waste of space.
>>107024608>menu bar has too much padding>toolbar has too much padding>second toolbar buttons have padding and margin>places has too much padding>the fucking status bar has too much padding>the scroll bar has marginHow the fuck do you even design something this fucking retarded?
>>107023392retrobar + openshell
>>107027827The 90s were the high point of the lives of literally everyone alive today who was also alive in the 90s.
>>107027082Came here to say thisI used it a teeny bit on Solaris and didn’t like it>>107031708I hear the Serenity people write **everything** from scratchso there’s a lot of code to port over, including lots of text stuff>>107037586This is std::vector::push_back()Linus hates C++ with a passionThat’s not Linux code
>>107026449What's Catscape?
How would the perfect UI look like? I think like a mix between MacOS Snow Leopard and Windows Longhorn, maybe with some Windows Whistler
Gnome looks professional
>>107023148Linux is an embedded OS for ISP-supplied modems, IoT lightbulbs and other $1-per-unit-in-orders-of-1000+ garbage.Literally everything about the system reflects this.
>>107037651and exploererpatcher. Man it made such a difference to have sharp windows again.
>>107026449Why are more people not aware of IceWM? This is nuts.
>>107041951make a new thread with this truth nuke as the OP
>>107041951>linux is used in embedded applicationstrue, it's also used in every other application, too
>>107037622You could configure GNOME to move the toolbar labels to the right or remove them, back then.
>>107026449I found out by coincidence I'm in a (sorta closed) d*scord server that he's also in. Because he knows of the libadwaita maintainer's amateur porn publishings, that I heard of here. The fuck.Small world.
>>107042620>b-buh 500 computersLow-IQ troontards always fall into this hole.Imagine thinking it's some kind of flex to announce your OS can only be useful when you have dozens of highly-trained, highly-paid supercomputer programmers and engineers there 24/7 to work on it.It's one of the more hilarious footguns freetards do in their desperation to seem like their toy OS is relevant - the other being "b-buh muh webserver", thinking handing out "~/My Favorite Cereal Box site/default.html" four times a year makes them important.
