What the FUCK went wrong?Genuinely, how did it get THIS bad?
>>107023686They got too cocky with their "my way or the highway" approach to the desktop which turned Valve away cause gnome shell looked too alien for their whole plans to convince windows users to switch and gave KDE probably their strongest supporter.Now all they have worthwhile is the ebussy posts.
Use case for things going right?
>>107023686If you actually use it the way it was designed to use it's fantastic (on a touch screen)(No I haven't used it)
>>107023686It was never really that good, just slightly better than KDE for a while, but not anymore.
This will make ebussy kill himself once it goes stable and takes over GNOME's place.
>>107023686GTK3
>>107023686just werkslooks cutedoesnt krashhas huge third party developer hypedefault in enterprise (rhel, sles, ubuntu)fixes linuxnot made in india
>>107023787>turned Valve awayvalve never used gnome desui worked for them for like a year as a contractor and everything internally is written in qt so it makes sense they chose a de they can contribute to
>>107023686GNOME bad saaarrplease redeem and use KDE saaarr
>>107023686>What the FUCK went wrong?Gnome 3 was released in 2011. I'm honestly shocked they've managed to keep limping along for this amount of time.
>>107023686Trvke on GNOME:>Red Hat Enterprise = GNOME>SUSE Enterprise = GNOME>Ubuntu Pro = GNOME>German Government donated 1 mil to GNOME>GNOME is stable (see enterprise)>"Every" App is GTK. Also other desktops (XFCE, Mint)
>>107023686Gnome is the standard t̶e̶x̶t̶ ̶e̶d̶i̶t̶o̶r̶ desktop environment. Also, you don't install the whole Gnome suite, but just gdm and gnome-shell. Since I use it, every version update made it a little bit better (with a slight regression in the last update where they started begging for donations in the notifications; inb4 kde, they already did that before gnome). Meanwhile I started using their calendar, contacts, and weather app, and it integrates very well with the desktop. Also it is true that the settings menu is a bit tidier than KDEs, but there are many customization options in gsettings on the command-line. Also, it is not resource hungry at all if you did the minimal installation I suggested; I run it on an X220 without any problems.
What is supposedly bad about GNOME? Does anyone sane really give a damn about stuff like square corners vs round corners?I don't like the 'Starred' thing on files and wish they'd let me hide that column on the file display but that's hardly a deal breaker, it's just mildly annoying.
>>107023686What went right?>written in C by extreme gatekeeping autists>complete software stack with bindings available for most popular languages>free of useless visual clutter>supports all of the wayland meme features like vrr, hdr, fractional scaling, vr headsets, etc>works well across keyboard, mouse, trackpad, touch>powerful extension system for adding random things you wantUnironically my favorite part of linux. Tried different DEs and WMs before settling on it ~3.18 and it's only gotten better.
This bad?GNOME is predicatbly bad. I know how to handle its issues. Plasma got shittier and shittier and shittier. I remember being fond of Plasma 5 towards the end. I use GNOME right now -because- of Plasma 6. And because there's no other Wayland desktop.
>>107023686They fell for the touchscreen meme.
>>107023686Removing the minimize window button was quite a bold move. It's one major reason I can't recommend vanilla GNOME to newcomers because they'll likely become frustrated at it.
>>107023871As I tested myself not really. GNOME is purely designed for keyboard + touchpad setups. So laptops. I tested this on one of those surface go tablets and I can tell you it's some dogshit. But I tested gnome on my laptop and it's exactly as usable as it needs to be.
>>107025611minimizing windows is really a midwit thing. high-iq individuals don't minimize because they use workspaces. low-iq normies don't minimize because all they know is how to operate a phone. so for me it's gnome, and for my mom it's also gnome; never once has she asked me how to minimize a window
it's the most zen. it's as close to perfect as can be achieved at our present level of humanity. you might find it awkward to begin with, but once you use it for a while and build the new neural pathways you'll see how retarded you were before gnome. gnome literally rescues you from retardation. gnome bleaches you.
>>107025709It's just like... my experience with SID3 in Furnace Tracker. I got a hard time adapting to it, because of "too many features" but once I got used to it... MIND = BLOWN, it's awesome!
>>107023990explains a lot of things
>>107025589>And because there's no other Wayland desktop.You forgot about me already uncle?
everything went wrong when they separated from gnu
>>107023686read this entire post, tl;dr gtk3 adoption back in the day was shit so the entire gtk/gnome team shut out everyone else.>https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/horrible-gtk3-gnome-ui-design-is-leaking-into-ubuntu-mate-applications-in-20-04/22028/58>>107025243If I ever try gnome again (I like the CONCEPT of gnome but the execution is piss poor) I'll probably do that. Did they ever fix the weather app visual bugs?> bit tidier than KDEsTo the point where its an active hindrance, why do we need three different settings applications (settings, tweaks, and dconf) just for the desktop environment.>>107025455It has a perpetual feel of being half finished and you can't change the size of the header bar or change icon themes easily.>extensionsmemeshit.
GNOME classic mode still fucks
It's nearly perfect. Once you get over the adjustment period and stop trying to force incompatible workflows on it, you're rewarded with what is the closest thing to a modernized Windows 2000 "function dictating form" experience that stays out the way. I don't even do things the Windows way on Windows anymore, the minimize button, taskbar, and desktop icons are simply inferior.
>>107023686any specifics kde tranny?
Why do tinker trannies hate gnome so much?
>>107026557yes, I forgot the 47 keyboard shortcuts required to do anything basic
>>107023981can't sort app grid alphabetically without an extension or doing dconf shit which they'll probably remove soon.no shortcut to center active window.
Nautilus fucking sucks and WinTIle should be a standard function. I moved away from it because I simply don't have a use case for fucking with workspaces as a normal casul that spends most of my time full screened in a game, video, or browser.
>>107023686GNOME is terrible, but the fact that the alternatives are all even worse is really just sad.
>>107023686its incredible how absolutely dog shit font rendering is in GTK4/libadwaita softwareand it's all because ebussy couldn't see a use case for readable text on a typical PC monitor with 100% scaling
>2025>no proper fractional scaling support>experimental scaling breaks videogamesincredible
>>107024916>limpingOver 80% of all Linux desktops run GNOME.
>>107027958>2025>both work fine>kdetard kalendar krashed and xhe thinks its 2020
>>107027881Non-grayscale subpixel rendering is basically impossible to make work with the rotation and affine translation animations GNOME supports, breaks when scaled or under color transformations, and only works on RGB/BGR striped displays. It's not supported for practical reasons, not out of spite.
Gnome is great for desktop when extensions are used. Gnome takes a higher intelligence than your typical KDE user. The individual must be able to read and understand how to implement extensions.
To me Gnome 40 was worse than Gnome 3. Most people dont seem to think so. But I find it bizarre how they moved the dock from the left to the bottom. it made more sense on the left because the button to reveal it is in the top left, so your mouse is right there. Instead they moved it to the bottom very far away from the top corner. so it kind of boggles my mind.Now when I try modern Gnome I just dont get its design or workflow at all. To me it seems completely pointless and unintuitive. Gnome 3 was also kinda bad, but I sort of got the logic behind it. Gnome 4 just made it worse. I feel like Im missing something because I find it unusable. It is unusable with a mouse. People say its keyboard focused but if thats true then why even bother retaining elements of a mouse UI and having a bunch of GUI settings?Its a shame because I think Gnome looks pretty nice and clean. But I dont think it very nice to use
>>107023981What is xfce, lxqt.Fuck you too.
>>107023686i used gnome until they got rid of the minimize/close buttons because it was "clutter" lmao.never fucking looked back yet had to deal with their genuinely retarded asses for goddamn years as they repeatedly held up wayland development over fucking window decorations and freezing every little piece of progress with NACKs every goddamn five minutespieces of fucking shit. i'm sick of it.
>>107029942what is abandonware?
>>107029956No, but even if so,GNOME is ebussy giving elaborate permutations of "fuck you" to the end user needs.
>>107023990>Valve never used gnomeDid you forget about the old debian steamos?
