Crypto “anonymity” is a meme.

Bitcoin is a public diary where every entry has your wallet name scribbled on it in permanent ink. Anyone with a block explorer can trace your entire financial life like CSI: Blockchain.

You buy BTC on an exchange? Congrats, you’re tagged forever. Send it to another wallet? Still traceable. Mixers get you flagged, bridges get you tracked, and chain analysis firms are basically NSA interns with too much caffeine.

>>107026847
If it's XMR, it's anonymous.
Anything else?
It's not

>>107026847
it's anonymous as long as you don't link your wallet to an exchange.

Just think of it like this:

>transfer money from bank to exchange or even some server to buy crypto
>ledger is created
>Do something with crypto

That chain of events alone will always lead back to you. Lets look at another method.

>Use someone to buy crypto for me and pay them cash
>Repeat process above

Now, eventually it leads back to someone, that someone may find a way to lead back to you unless you took some serious steps with risk. You find someone who doesn't know you there is a chance they take the money and never buy your crypto.

There is a third scenario, you buy some crypto.

You send them through thousands and thousands of wallets.

This is obsfucation, and all you're doing is making it too long and a alargw investment/time and cost of analysis, such that its not worth pursuing.

This just tells you, if they want to get you, they will.

As long as there is a server with logs or crypto with ledger they can get you.

>>107027284
nah you can get 100% anonymous crypto, but I'm not spoonfeeding retards

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>>107026847
>If I buy crypto and pay someone with crypto, can it be traced back to me?
anything you do can be traced back to you with enough resources

>>107027314
nah this is dumb

>monero
>dash
...

Warrant and seize the servers, as I said if they want to catch you they will. Idc who you are, as long as money is involved sent from a bank and its not cash its traceable. They seize your bank accounts and gone. Even BTC atms or other crypto atms with depositing features linked to anonymous wallet is traceable here is why even if you cover your face to prevent atm from recording you:

>Go to crypto atm
>Camera records you

>Cover face
>area proximity
>retrace your steps
>Look at all cars travelling from road cams between the time of wallet establishment or crypto transfer
>If no cars travelled then the person lives in close proximity
>Atrempts to get all camera footage

Any method you think boils down to luck and obsfucation when it comes to money.

Your best bet, is cash in hand and you cover yourself. Even that can be investigated but that has your highest chance of success in remaining anonymous. Investigation points for the original purchaser are:

>Who gave you the money?
>Where did this take place?
>What time?
>What did they look like? Height, etc..
>How much cash was exchanged they will look at bank transactions that match this amount within a given area or location radius.

Again, it will always boil down to how much they want to invest into catching you and the laws in place or how much they can get away with.

Lets say you VPN to an anoynmous exchange, it still requires a bank account. If its crypto transfer, they just find origin address and it will always link back to bank account where an initial transfer took place at least regarding online. If that exists on a server someonewhere you will always get done. So you're putting your trust in those who are declaring it will be anonymous. These are at the end of the day something you cannot verify.

>>107026847
Use the one on the very right. The rest are publicly tracable, by anyone

>>107027440
>monero
>Warrant and seize the servers
Good luck with that. You can't do shit against it. Last time you tried to attack it using some random shitcoin that we then ddosed to oblivion. You keep trying to act all mighty and powerful and such, so much so that is hilarious. Please, never stop. It's too entertaining

>>107027154
How do I spend XMR without paying taxes or alerting authorities then?

>>107026847
You can get away with using very small amounts of crypto anonymously. There are ways to buy XMR using prepaid gift cards, and vice versa. This can be used to spend/buy small amounts of crypto (under $2000). But if you're talking about house money, then you need to figure out an actual money laundering scheme to make your funds look legit. There's just no way to spend large amounts of money without attracting attention these days.

Alternatively, you could just not care about the fact that the feds know you have XMR, since they can't see what you're doing with it. Once it leaves the exchange, they can't see whether you traded it for drugs, held onto it, exchanged it for another crypto, and so on. If you used a KYC exchange, they can see is that you bought some amount of XMR at some point in time. They can't trace the coins all the way to their destination like they can with other less anonymous coins.

Having XMR in and of itself is not criminal or suspicious. The vast majority of people who own XMR are simply crypto investors looking to make a profit by buying low and selling high.

>>107027859
You use an anonymous exchange and convert BTC or USDT or whatever to XMR.
It's illegal in many western countries to buy and most exchanges don't list it or only let you hold a place holder and not withdraw, ut I've never heard of someone being arrested just because they bought XMR

>>107028358
I want to pay someone 20 or 30 dollars

>>107026847
Every cpu comes pre installed with an NSA back door. Even the Chink ones because they just copied the design. Point is they can just bypass what you think is secure encryption and find you if you're doing some illegal shit.
Or did you think that the NSA just open source an encryption algorithm to make their life harder out of the goodness of their heart.
Inb4 some glow nigger tries to tell me I'm wrong. Fuck off. Don't @ me.

The only anonymous crypto is Monero. The rest is pseudonymous at best, but because there's KYC everywhere the real situation is worse. https://eylenburg.github.io/payments.htm

>>107026847
At least 5.

It's anonymous in that database leaks won't affect you if you try to shop online with intact privacy. No need for names or card details. It's an extra layer of security.

>>107026847
Traceable and able to be used as evidence are two different things. It is not possible to prove ownership of a bitcoin wallet. If you have good enough opsec and you don't try do do something like cash in a bunch of bitcoin from drug sales without creating a legitimate reason to suddenly have a bunch of bitcoin you are good

>>107033010
What's a legitimate reason then? I just started a business and look someone just gave me bitcoin..

>>107026847
You will be told to use monero, which is a meme and a honeypot, the real answer is to learn to use bitcoin privately, and realize that having one identity per interaction is the best model

>>107026847
Its inbetween cash and bank run/owned credit schemes like credit card, checking, banking, etc.

Cash is only as anonymous as the transaction point in which you trade the cash with the other person.
Crypto is only as anonymous as the same as cash. And the receipt is seen on the internet. However there's no middle man

>>107035196
>monero, which is a meme and a honeypot, the real answer is to learn to use bitcoin privately
retarded bitcoin maxi detected; bitcoin can't even be used as a non-private payment because the network fees are way too high. hence the "digital gold" cope because it's useless

It's as anonymous as email.

>>107034749
Nfts, purchase stuff that does not exist on eBay with crypto, accept bitcoin as a payment option at a food truck, etc. I don't know all the methods people use but suddenly crypto is not viable even with monero

>>107034749
The adult industry, gambling, gaming

>>107026847
Every transaction is permanently logged into a ledger anyone can view, it's literally the opposite of anonymous and that's by design.

>>107035196
Glowniggerest post in this thread. No matter what tricks you use, Bitcoin will never be as anonymous/untraceable as Monero.

But still, people need to be aware that you can leak some metadata when using a remote node on Monero, which in some cases can be used to trace your transactions. So don't be lazy. Run your own node locally. All of the chainalysis techniques on Monero depend on using leaked metadata from remote node users. When using XMR, if you want the most anonymity and privacy possible, you should always run your own node locally. That's how XMR is intended to be used. Using a remote node is a compromise.

Owning and holding XMR isn't illegal. But you should still follow best practices if you don't want anybody to know what you did with your XMR.

There's also a way you can get small amounts of crypto anonymously: mining it yourself. It's pretty wasteful and inefficient, and it takes a long time, but it's possible.

>>107028434
>illegal
No its not, you just cant buy it on a regular exchange so normies just avoid it

>>107026847
Buy Monero
>How anonymous is it?
Quite anonymous as long as you:
* Host your own node
* Wait several blocks from the moment you receive it until you decide to spend it
* Your system isn't compromised

The weakest link is your own NSA-controlled computer or cellphone. Even if it's possible, no one will spend the needed resources to decrypt your attempts at buying drugs or avoiding taxes.

The thing I would be worried about is how surveillance technology develops in the future in regards to crypto. You have to consider that the blockchain is for 5ever, it will never get deleted, as such all your transaction will be documented 5ever, even with XMR. XMRfags don't like to hear this, but if there's an inherent flaw in the protocol of XMR found somewhere in the future, all past transaction are open to see for everyone. This is in the nature of the blockchain and cannot be changed by any design decision. Even the fanciest encryption and hash algorithms are worth nothing if somehow the protocol is flawed, and given enough time, there will be found something, as the feds are dedicating all their budget at breaking these, which you won't be able to delete, since it's decentralized and spread across hundreds or thousands (?) of nodes.

>>107026847
Treat it as the same as VPNs and onions, not meant for hiding shit from the feds but more for stopping corpo faggots from denying you services.
fuck paypal

>>107035196
Hey mossad
>just use transparent chain goym
>it is private, don't worry we don't look

>>107037148
What info is available on the ledger, just that a purchase has been made? Not what type of purchase, how, what platforms, location etc?

>>107026924
>chain analysis firms are basically NSA interns with too much caffeine
Kek'd

>>107026847
>BTC, ETH, LTC and others
Everything is 100% visible to everyone and can be checked at any point forever.

>Monero
Actually private, entire nation states have offered large unclaimed bounties to break its transaction encryption methods and real terrorist groups only take donations in monero because its the only way to send money securely and without people prying into your shit
>but thats just schizo talk
Just look at how many big centralized exchanges delisted monero at the request of world governments and tell me its a lie.

>>107035196
I agree that having one identity per transaction is one of the better models, but Monero has been battle tested to the point three letter agencies have all but admitted they can't fight it or track it.
By all means feel free to have one (BTC/ETH/LTC) identity per transaction since those cryptos are easier to use in general but make sure you swap XMR for them via a non-KYC source.

Buy LTC -> Swap into MONERO (XMR)

>>107026847
Monero is anonymous.

>>107026924
>Congrats, you’re tagged forever.
Just like posting on 4chan.

>Send it to another wallet? Still traceable.
And when you exchange for Monero the trail ends.

>>107038273
How is hosting your own node safe?
I have hard time wrapping my head around that.
1. I own my node, which means my own transactions pass by my own node. How is that virtually safe if everything traces back to me?
2. Some bad actor uses my node for his own fantasies, metadata gets leaked (or some other things that I dont know about) and I get blamed.

Am I missing something?
Even the monero website says to run your own node, but doesnt talk about all the potential risks.

>>107040454
kys

>>107035196
There’s a reason why the feds shut down local monero and why law enforcement resells all crypto they seize but not monero.

>>107044427
>1. I own my node, which means my own transactions pass by my own node. How is that virtually safe if everything traces back to me?
You can (and should) configure your node to make all of its connections through Tor. I believe this is enabled by default on the GUI client. I might be wrong, though. Either way, it's a good observation: location/IP anonymizing is important. This can be solved by using Tails or Whonix along with Monero. Whonix will prevent any possible IP leaks while running Monero. That way, nobody on the Monero network will be able to see your real IP address. I believe that's included in the node software by default, but I'm not sure. Either way, using Whonix eliminates nearly all of the risk with IP leaks.
>2. Some bad actor uses my node for his own fantasies, metadata gets leaked (or some other things that I dont know about) and I get blamed.
This can't happen. When you host a node locally, it can only be used by you, unless you open your firewall and specifically configure it to accept incoming connections.

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