I am seeing too many people recommending distros that have a small userbase and/or are relatively new and too niche.My intention here is not to decide which distro is the best, but rather to discourage people from not recommending battle-tested and well-known distros.REAL DISTROS >Debian>Fedora>Arch>NixOS>Ubuntu>MintNICHE/TOOL DISTROS>QubesOS>Tails>Kali>Whonix>KicksecureThey serve their purpose well, but they are not made to be a daily driver.MEME DISTROS>CachyOSSure bro, an Arch-based distro that's going to stick! It's not like we had Manjaro, Endeavour, Artegos, Garuda, Artix and counting...At the end of the day, base Arch is your best bet if you wanna use something that is related to Arch. CachyOS is too hyped for placebo performance gain for general desktop usage.>Pop!_OSThey are focusing on their new desktop environment, COSMIC. It's currently in beta.In its current state, it uses a base from Ubuntu from 2022, meaning you will get very old versions of packages.>OpenSUSERPM packages are made with Fedora first in mind, so OpenSUSE also has the problem of a small userbase.>Universal Blue images (Bazzite, Bluefin, Aurora)The only one that is a bit worth it is Bazzite to setup a home theather (not your main desktop PC) for gaming.>SteamOSNot made to be used outside of the Steam Deck.>ZorinOSZorinOS appears to be somewhat nicer with their version 18, but it has a small userbase and Linux Mint is better known in the category of "best user-friendly distro".That's it, thanks for reading. If I didn't mention your distro (looking at you, Void Linux users), it's probably because it's too niche and has a small userbase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjGSMUep6_4
>>107029169The average user will probably not find any advantage for compiling their software (aside from frustation due to how long it takes).Aside from that, nice video!
>>107029158>DebianDidn't they have an actual child rapist working with them? The same one who also worked on Ubuntu? Why would I want the Ian Watkins of linux?
>>107029158>I am seeing too many people recommending distros that have a small userbase and/or are relatively new and too niche.>NICHE/TOOL DISTROS>>QubesOS>>Tails>>Kali>>Whonix>>Kicksecurei never see anyone recommending this shit its a huge memekali and tails are useful for their thing and very useful for that but youre making some non-issue up i think, on /g/ anyway>>107029169https://youtu.be/tAb7OID5lt8
>>107029158>UbuntuYou should try to use a distro for at least 30 minutes before recommending it.
Which distro should I convince my dad to take up? He's a Macfag who just uses his computer to send emails, browse the web, and watch YouTube videos.
>>107029533I prefer mint xfce
>>107029524https://os.gnome.org/
>>107029524does he turn the computer off? just make a session with mint and load those programs everytime he boots it up if its got nice hardware. otherwise just desktop icons to launch that stuff, ez. picking the desktop environment is an important factor, based on hardware
>>107029158>The only one that is a bit worth it is Bazzite to setup a home theather (not your main desktop PC) for gaming.Why don't you put it in NICHE/TOOL DISTROS then? My friend hates PC's and I installed Bazzite for him, now hes playing Steam Slop and Emulators on his TV.
>>107029551if you wanted to make it fancy for him make some conky stuff on the desktop that prints news headlines and stuff?setup an RSS frontend for him to see his youtube subscriptions?also be able to SSH into his system to these things can be updated and enhanced for him. honestly seems like a great thing to be able to do for your father.
>>107029562and "handheld" gayming PC's
>Noooo just keep recommending these insecure distros that are more insecure than winblows!Nigger. Kicksecure is just hardening on top of Debian. Why wouldn't that be a daily driver?Same shit with Secureblue, it's literally hardened Fedora, and comes with a hardened Chromium similar to GrapheneOS's Vanadium.Beginners should have a secure starting point otherwise what's the point of recommending Linux at all? They're better off using Windows.
>>107029533That looks too similar to the Windows UI. Do you have something a bit less on the minty side and more on the beefy side? idk, Linux Goulash? Linux Pierogi?>>107029543This looks pretty good. Is it easy to sync folders to cloud drives? I know my dad's big into putting all his phone's pictures on the cloud.>>107029551>picking the desktop environment is an important factor, based on hardwareidk he's big into fancy computers. He's had a Mac computer since I convinced him to get one 15 years ago and hasn't gone back since then. I'm not sure what specs his current iMac has, but I reckon they ought to be pretty dang good.
>>107029524Ubuntu, move the dock to the bottom of the screen.
>>107029524You're going to give your dad an unnecessary headache. Everything with his current setup "just works" for him. It would be absolutely retarded to make him use Linux.
>>107029667>It would be absolutely retarded to make him use Linux.Oh well. Another 20 years of Apple computers it is for him, then.
>>107029158Blame the developers, not users. It's incredible there is even 20 distros, let alone at least 100. Fuckers could be fixing bugs, or UI issues, but fuckers have to have their special wheels.
>>107029524Ubuntu. don't listen to anybody else.
>>107029683My dad pays cable/isp $400 usd a month simply because he refuses to give up 1 channel he can't get without it. But its worth it to him. Just gotta live with it.he could never leave the apple ecosystem either because all of his email, contacts, calendar are captured.
I started out with Fedora and used it for years. It pissed me off enough that I distro hopped for a while. Debian package management is kind of ass, Ubuntu is cancer, PopOS is a dumb meme, and Mint is like Ubuntu but somehow worse. I ultimately ended up back on Fedora, but I'm not really happy about it.
>>107029807If you didn't like debian why did you try it another 3 times?
>>107029807You hopped from Debian to a bunch of Debian derivative distros. There are other independent options, but honestly Fedora or one of its derivatives is the best option right now. What don't you like about it?
>>107029819I tried Ubuntu and Mint before Debian.They're basically Debian with extra cancer.
>>107029831The question still stands.
>>107029774>My dad pays cable/isp $400 usd a month simply because he refuses to give up 1 channel he can't get without it. But its worth it to him.I feel your pain, bro. My dad still pays a subscription to our local newspaper even though he only reads like one article a day at most.I hope it takes me a long while to get to that point, but I fear that it may arrive sooner than I hope for.
>so OpenSUSE also has the problem of a small userbase.lmao fuck off. I've never had an issue with opensuse tumbleweed since using it daily for the past 2yrs.
>>107029158>CachyOS>meme distroActually true.I'm still on Day 3/7 of my CachyOS evaluation period but I'm not really seeing any significant differences from plain old Arch
>>107029158Real distros are only Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, and (unfortunately) Arch
>>107029888He's right though, and I've been using Tumbleweed for a few years up until recently
>>107030463it doesn't have a small userbase tf you talking about
>>107029807Should've gone with Arch, bro. Seems right of your alley.
>>107029829>>107029843Debian would honestly be great if you could get packages from this decade without having to enable experimental repos.
>>107030728I was looking around for a debian distro that had updated packages for at least KDE. if I remember there are two of them but one of them is maintained by 1 german guy
>>107029158cachyOS is kinda goated actuallyi think vanila arch is going to scare away newbs. Debian and debian based is unusable outside of servers, which leaves us with that and fedora (which i dont have much experience with)
>>107029460Because you're based.
>>107030705Then why are 3rd party programs always targeting Fedora/RHEL with rpms and systematically ignoring Opensuse?
>>107030776>Debian and debian based is unusable outside of serversWhy? Elaborate.
>>107030728Nice hyperbole. Enjoy your bugs, stupid updooters. Also flatpaks and backports exist.
>>107029158I'm going to use Endeavour and you can't stop me
>>107030810their packages are so old they single handedly created flatpaks/sn*ps as a concept
>>107030833>their packages are so old they single handedly created flatpaks/sn*ps as a conceptWho is "they"? Are "they" in a room with you right now?
Honestly if you 1. have a brain2. aren't desperatereading this board is the best argument for never switching to Linux, every distro sucks according to /g/ and they just might be right.
>>107030841debian based distributionsretard lmao
>>107030850this is true but only because all software sucksI have to use win11 at work and its awful. good thing wsl exists lol
>>107030855What packages are old in Debian? You're aware that Debian Sid exists, right? If you need unstable rolling release things you can just update to it and have the same messy experience as in arch.
>>107030879what advantage does that give me over using a good distribution?
>>107030885Every. There are good distros, and there's the best distribution, which is Debian. But enjoy using average things, Mr MidwitLol
>>107030906so there are no advantages, got it. I think ill stick to arch for the time being
>>107030932What time being will be happy if you use Arch?
>>107029158>Meme distros which are basically the same as most commonly used distros but comes with preset drivers, configs, suited for gaming, or everyday use hassle free>The REAL distros, basically same as above but vanilla>X is Y because Z>Y is better than X because fak u gooby>Conveniently ignore that all of the above is miles better than Winjeet 11 from Microschlop >Conveniently ignore and forget that all of the above is not jam packed full of Microschlop malvertisement bloatware You see, this is why nobody listens to any of you. The main reason why everyone's here is to get away from the gross slop that's currently in the market.Just pick a distro, whether it be vanilla or not, see how it works. If it don't work out, okay try a different one, only takes you 10 minutes to swap. If none of them works well gee i guess apple sounds better for you then.
>>107029158CachyOS is actually the most popular Linux distro right now anon
>>107029158Try TempleOS then
>>107030809was meant for >>107030615
>>107031118lol, lmao even
>>107031194>SchizoOSpass.
>>107030809They are not among the big distros. But they aren't small either. There's a lot of 3rd party software that also specifically targets openSUSE's.Pic related: LibreWolf
>>107029460Lol what a faggot. I don't care who writes the software, as long as it's good(and FOSS). ReiserFS (from hans Reiser) was one of the best filesystems back then and he killed his wife. And uninstall all your Java stuff the co founder is a pdf
>>1070291581 Mint for noobs2 Debian for most use cases3 Slackware for custom stuff & expereminting & tinkering
try AumOShttps://archive.org/details/aum-os
>>107029158>RPM packages are made with Fedora first in mind, so OpenSUSE also has the problem of a small userbase.I switched to openSUSE precisely because I had problems with Fedora and openSUSE just worked. Also even if it wouldn't work well you can always rollback to a previous snapshot if there's a problem. If anything I don't know why people use Fedora when openSUSE is the same thing but better. Also if the problem is just a small userbase then it's a self-correcting problem when people start using it. The popular meme distro changes all the time anyway so people don't have a problem migrating from one distro to another. They should just try openSUSE and it would end all distrohopping.
>>107031572I wouldn't even say the OpenSUSE userbase is small. It's just not loud.It's not the best for absolute beginners, so it doesn't get recommended as beginner distro. But it's also not an "advanced" distro either, because it doesn't require a lot of maintenance, it just works once set up. It's more for people somewhat familiar with linux who want the OS to be out of their way. Which doesn't generate a lot of discussion.
>>107029158swap nix for gentoo
There's nothing wrong with a derivative distro as long as it's appropriate for the usecase.>>107029524Universal Blue Bluefin.Auto updates.Flatpak + Bazaar so you can gui install packages, that are contained in the user space so he can't fuck shit up.Also Gnome is probably more familiar for a mac user.Just disable developer mode, because he doesn't need dev tools.
>>107031488is this even real?I can't find anything on this.
>>107031339You're right. It's a small*er* userbase/distro then.
>>107031682yes i think is real, is discover that in one thread in 2ch.sc
>>107031635>Dinosaurs with feathers Ewwww
>>107029158This. Lay off the Gentoo meme.
>>107031415>uninstall all your Java stuffI'm not indian so thats already not an issue
>>107031623Which is exactly why it ends all distrohopping. You already know how to use Linux since you tried other distros and then you try openSUSE and can't for the life of you figure out a decent reason to distrohop again.>packages are new>snapshot system built-in>package manager uses similar words to apt and yum>KDE is well supported and works better than in most distros>can install RPM packages>cool lizard logo instead of some abstract sneeze on a napkin like other logos
>>107029158>>SteamOS>Not made to be used outside of the Steam Deck.Dumb fuck they literally support the ally x, legion go s, and legion go out of the box. And you named Bazzite as being worth it yet shit on it. Just KYS
>>107029158>Mint>fork of a fork with fork minus fork for an alternative>real distro>OpenSUSE>meme distroOP is a faggot. A **disgusting** one at that.
>>107029158Just use Debian stable, testing, or sid.
>>107032989This
Terrible take from OP, actually mad.
>>107032850Soostranny seethe
>op has no source based distrostell me you have no clue without telling me
>>107029158>>Pop!_OSI'm daily driving the 24.04 beta with COSMIC and it mostly just werks. Not something I would recommend right now, but when it comes out, it will be my go-to recommendation.Right now though? Just use Fedora KDE or something.
>>107029524Why? Will that benefit him in any way or do you just want to bring more people to Linux?
OpenSuse runs better on my hardware (Dell 2-in-1) than Fedora or Zorin. I really like the distro but it took me awhile to try it out.
>>107029158>Sure bro, an Arch-based distro that's going to stick! It's not like we had Manjaro, Endeavour, Artegos, Garuda, Artix and counting...Wait, whats wrong with artix? I was going to try it out so i can have arch with dinit
>>107034090>FedoraWhy would I use AI-assisted corposlop? Just use Arch and stop being a baby around computers.
>>107034090Do you use it for gaming? Thinking of installing it on a second drive for single player games and maybe messing around with a local lllm. Only recent Linux experience is messing with a pi.
>>107034639No, I only play on my Steam Deck these days.
>>107029158>REAL DISTROSOne word:GenToo
Pika Os
Linuxtards recommend meme distros as a way of gatekeeping because it ensures that newcomers get frustrated and leave
>>107035620I say this and i do this. Install Omarchy, CachyOS or Pop OS! -- oldfag using Debian Stable
>>107029158i use mx and i will keep recommending it to everyonesimple as
>>107029158>>Pop!_OS>In its current state, it uses a base from Ubuntu from 2022, meaning you will get very old versions of packages.false.
My mom asked me to install Linux on her PC, now that Win 10 is unsupported.All she needs is a browser.All I need is to never get called by her for tech support.Which distro do I use that's stable and updates automatically? Should I just install Debian and set up unattended upgrades for everything, or is there a better option?
>>107036005Mint is the best for this purpose.
>>107035941Based and Redpilled©! MX was the OS that saved me from Mint's OOM crashes and make me like Linux again! Fuck Mint!
>>107029158Honestly have to agree with this list.Ive been using Linux on and off for work & home projects for close to 20 years now. In regards to "which distro is best?" (Without mentioning niche distros for very specific SBC/IOT hardware) I'd say: >Debian Best for server applications because its just so damn stable if you follow best practises . Plus it's been around for so long and TONS of distros use it as their base, so there's no shortage of documentation.>Ubuntu/Mint/Fedora Probably the best choice for someone that's never used linux before & just needs something that's approachable and user friendly. (Bonus points to these because of their massive communities coupled with the fact they're using either Debian or RHEL as their baseline)>Arch Great for hobbyists with bleeding edge hardware or want to learn as much as possible regarding how linux works.I haven't tried NixOS, but everything I've read online from people who've tried it all say its not a meme at all and a game changer in deployed environments Kali Linux is a total meme. Literally everything in that distro can be easily installed on pretty much any other major distro (This is par for the course for almost all meme distros). Anyone who recommends Kali is basically a wannabe Hack0r with no knowledge of computer networking or programming. Just find the name of the tool you actually need for pen-testing & install it. You don't need a specialised distro lolopenSUSE is okay, but feels a janky compared to it's competitors. Like you've said, it has a user base that's way too small compared to similar distros like Fedora.
what about systemd-free distros like devuan, artix, independent like void
>>107036856mxlinux plays dvds in default install
>>107036894why mxlinux is relevant in generalim willing to believe you it is just curious
>>107029158>No mention of gnu guixReally anon?
>>107035955>beta slopEnjoy dealing with 10000 bugs until 2026
>>107036856Not worth the hassle. Just use whatever is most popular. SystemD works, that's what matters.Devuan, Artix and Void are niche and not popular. Void Linux users, all the three of you.I recommend you to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz8Ldw-s8_Q .
>>107037332Niche. Small userbase.I've heard that they have packages older than Debian Stable, which is probably an achievement that no other distro managed to do intentionally.IIRC, it's declarative; if that's what you like, use NixOS.
>>107036005I'd say anything that is rolling so you don't need to come every six months to re install everything. That is without a doubt one of the worst characteristics of linux.Either that or a LTS distro at least.So I am saying OpenSUSE or Kubuntu LTS.I am going through the same thing with my mother. She only needs to watch telenovelas and write the odd letter in a word processor.
>>107029158>Stop recommending meme/niche Linux distrosMore like "stop making unnecessary forks just to add trivial stuff".Like, if CachyOS/Bazzite devs could've just made a script to add their shitty proton configs or drivers to Arch/Fedora then they would've saved a lot of time and resources. But no, Linux devs have to fling their dicks around for no reason, adding to distro bloat.Just make fucking scripts, programs, apps w/e for the base distros! Be fucking normal god damnit or Linux will never catch on.
>>107029158How's Mint a "real" OS but OpenSUSE isn't? Manjaro deserves credit because it brought Arch to a wider audience. CachyOS is the only meme distro that gives the rest a run for their money.
>>107029158Good beginner distros:Mint for normalfags who just want to use Chrome.Endeavour for windows power users who want to learn Linux and some day upgrade to Arch.
>>107038669Valve is already ensuring that Linux will be the most prevalent OS of the future. Just sit back and relax.
>>107038720CachyOS made EndeavourOS and possibly Arch itself redundant
Fedora KDE or GNOME?I want something stable
>>107038704I consider Mint a real distro because it actually fixes something, it's Ubuntu but not shit. And cinnamon is a very good DE imo. But I'd argue bot Ubuntu and Mint are distro bloat too, just use Debian and add Ubuntu drivers to it.
>>107038735By making "SteamOS" aka just Arch+scripts.
>>107038753both are very stable. Depends of your hardware tho.In my laptop Fedora KDE works flawlessly, but GNOME is buggy.I'd test both and see which you like more, and which works better on your system.
>>107038771I have a nvidia gpu, I think it's bad on linux or smt?
>>107038780Fedora should work relatively well, even with Nvidia. You will have to test it tho. Only make sure to enable "third party repositories" at startup to download the proprietary drivers.
Can someone actually provide personal experience on cachyos (placebo os) vs any other distro? (fps and shit)
>>107029460I refuse to use Debian because I can tell from their logo that something is up. People called me crazy but in the end I was proven right.
>>107030816>just install the entire kde desktop from flatpak bro
>>107030879Debian Sid is 100x more unstable than Arch.
>>107038761By putting lots of resources into developing Proton so that gaming on Linux is a smooth experience.
>>107038946>>Arch>good for serversWhat are you doing?
>>107039055may God hear you, anon.
>>107039112Linux from Scratch
>>107039112Growler Linux (Arch)https://growlerlinux.org
>>107029158>>>Universal Blue images (Bazzite, Bluefin, Aurora)>The only one that is a bit worth it is Bazzite to setup a home theather (not your main desktop PC) for gaming.those are perfectly fine for general use on a desktop, in fact they are extremely rebust/hard to break and have lots of shit built in with 0 setup required theyre NOT meme distrosit's just riced/bloated atomic fedora>>>ZorinOS>ZorinOS appears to be somewhat nicer with their version 18, but it has a small userbase and Linux Mint is better known in the category of "best user-friendly distro".zorin is by FAR the most polished and normie-friendly one in terms of onboarding and ui. if you're installing a linux distro on your grandma's computer this is the one you'll put there (either that or mint/bluefin/aurora)
>>107039112>>107039555Do it faggot!
>>107039618I second atomic distros. It would be perfect for normies to just ship atomic flavors with the tweaks for gaming performance, then normies will flock to Linux.
>>107039680The problem is that modern games are shite. People just want to play classic good games but some still have issues that proton, dxvk etc are working to fix.
>>107039680I have my serious doubts about that. I've met some junior game devs and game dev students, and they don't seem to have ANY interest in Linux whatsoever. Some of them even outright refuse it with heated passion (funnily enough since some haven't even tried it).I know my case sample is very small (like 15 people) but it made me think if zoomer/alphoomers are so brain washed to use windows that they don't fucking care about being raped by jeetcrosoft. They don't even care about things like optimizations and performance, as long as it runs, it's good enough.Fucking grim.
>>107029158the reason why linux sucks is because it doesn't have the ONE distro. anything not debian is dog water and should be ignored.
you people install your os how cute
>>107039638if you installed bazzite/aurora/bluefin on your grandma's computer or some normie gamer's at launch they would have started in fedora 38 and would be upgraded to fedora 42 now without having to interact\do anything just restart the computer occasionally. no other distro can do that i think, regular fedora gives you a whole ass manual with terminal commands and shit to upgrade between versions.either way atomic is far from meme-tier and zorin is far from meme-tier for general desktop use
>>107039715>anything not debian is dog water and should be ignoredPC gaming is shit on debian, and that's one of the few reasons left to actually use a PC
>>107029158Fatdog linux is the best linux and it is not a memehttps://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/
>>107039770>zorinAs much as I don't really like Zorin, you're right. Zorin has made something most distros can't: appeal to normies. Even something as simple as having working wifi drivers for problematic cards is essential to most people (even tech savvy ones). I'm not for distro bloat but I can appreciate when they try to solve real problems.
>>107038418fucking moron suggesting a rolling distro for a retarded old woman kekput debiannever update ititll work forever
>>107029195>The average useWill get what they fucking deserve.
>>107039715>the ONE distroWhy? It'd just become enshittified like Ubuntu. The best part about Linux is that you can simply hop somewhere else if you want.>DebianThe only reason why it's not a meme distro is because it's useful for server shit and Ubuntu itself is even worse for general use. Mint is better and not just because it's a grandma tier distro.
>>107029158>best desktopsMintPop Os>best serverDebian>ToolsKaliTails>Hobby DistrosGentooArch>memesTempleOSThat's itThe amount of people who don't understand this is baffling
>>107041084yes, the distro called PoopOS that hasn't been updated in 3.5 years is as good as it gets
>>107041168>I must updoot!
>>107029460>Didn't they have an actual child rapist working with them?Thats based
>>107029158OpenSUSE is the best distro. Y'all niggas just hate it because y'all corny.
>>107029158>Stop recommending meme/niche Linux distrosTotally agree, but let me fix that:REAL DISTROS>Debian>Fedora>Arch>UbuntuMEME DISTROS>literally everything elseNICHE/TOOL DISTROS>whichever you find that satisfies your specific needs that the ones above would not, raises from meme to niche/toolHonorable mention to Mint, which is the one true "just werks" distro that everyone coming from Windows should use (or anyone that just want a functional & decent OS to get shit done).One foot deeper, pick from the four "real" ones.Deeper? Find your niche (and rethink what the fuck you are doing).
>>107041316>Ubuntu????
>>107029158Which distro lets me LARP as a hacker?Keep in mind I can't even program.
>>107041427https://hackertyper.net/all of them buddy just go here and spam type while normies watch and they'll consider you a god
>>107041439Holy shit bro thanks so much.I will get all the girls on campus wet now. I will dedicate my first coitus to you my friend.
I prefer void, the installer isn't totally retarded like most other distros besides debian while being minimal
>>107041538>he needs an installer
>>107029158>NixOS>Mintnice try, memedistro faggot
>>107041544Yes. Fuck your life
>>107041544>Be me>Try to install arch>do all the steps>it didn't fucking make it>do it again>it didn't fucking make it>use arch install>it works
>>107029158>REAL DISTROS>Debian>NixOSYou're retarded. I hope nobody listens to your shit-tier advice.
>>107038669Nobody is running some random post-install scripts. 90% of people just want a pre-installed system. The other 9% want a full featured ISO that matches their preferences out of the box as much as possible. And the 1% are fine with tinkering or running scripts.
>>107029158pufferfish wit da big ass lip
Somehow all /g/ knows is to complain about what other people are running on their computers.
>>107029158But the puppy linux is cool.
>>107029460>Didn't they have an actual child rapist working with them?Stop it with the transphobia
>>107041695It's a meme. One that kills a person's PC. For beginners in the BSDverse, I would recommend GhostBSD instead, because it's the Linux Mint of BSD.>>107032989>There's even Debian Gnu/HURD for those who hate the Linux kernelLooks like Debian Foundation wants to monopolize, and I'm thinking about switching due to Tumbleweed becoming like Arch pestering me with *daily* updoot notifications
>>107041316>ubuntustf the only real distro are AumOS
>>107039714Whenever I think about modern slop games I can’t help but think about the efforts naughty dog went through to be as efficient and as optimised as possible and think about how far we’ve fallen. Devs are simply lazy now. High speed/widespread internet has enabled the laziness too.
