Firefox has been so slow to me. It lags when dragging the quick reply box for example. Chrome is silk smooth. I have a very good PC btw. Is there any point in using Firefox in 2025? It seems the rewrite ruined it.f
>>107032820https://github.com/yokoffing/Betterfox/blob/main/Fastfox.js
>>107032820I switched back to Chrome a few days ago. there's no point in using Firefox anymore, they are adding more and more AI slop, even partnered up with Perplexity, added more Google (Google Lens).It's like using Chrome but with a worse engine.
stop complaining and stick with what works. if that is chrome then toss firefox.>Is there any point in using Firefox in 2025?in your case, no.
>>107032923Why are you going for Chrome as opposed to another Chromium based browser with more privacy/features like Vivaldi? Was that a deliberate choice or did you just not think too hard about it?
>>107032820Firefox has a poor hardware acceleration. This is widely documented. It's not even entirely Firefox fault. It's all IHV collusion with Skia Graphite.https://www.shadertoy.com/view/dsGBzWFullscreen this between Firefox and Chrome and take note of the FPS/VRR FPS.
>>107032970I can't see the FPS while in fullscreen so idk. Both felt the same to me (144fps).
>>107032998Does your monitor not support gsync/freesync? they all have some VRR meter even my TV does.
>>107032820>so I use a botnet browser>t. nu/g/ 2025
>>107032998Are you using a 1080p display?
>>107033011Yes my monitor has freesync, no it does not have a VRR meter it's a very minimalist budget display
>>107032957Vivaldi uses Chromium, my decision was if I am using the evil then at least only one evil instead of two evils, in your case it would be vivaldi + chromium or like edge + chromium etc. if you understand what I mean.
>>107033034if it doesnt even have a refresh rate meter then i doubt it even has real freesync. its probably adaptive sync.
>>107033045But anon, Chromium is not an evil in and of itself. It's open source and can be integrated in browsers that respect privacy way more than Firefox (like Brave).Meanwhile Chrome is Chromium + Google's evil.Vivaldi is Chromium + Vivaldi's evil.But there is a big difference between Google and Vivaldi. Google thrives off selling data and ads (just like Brave). Vivaldi does not sell ads. They also use a version of Chromium that they modified to remove all features that they considered to be harmful to privacy.The other advantage Vivaldi has is that they are an European-based company. No American greed.
>>107032923I haven't seen any of these alleged featurest. Firefox ESR user (the default browser on Debian GNU Linux)
>>107033014if you really think firefox/mozilla is not botnet in 2025 you are a retard
at some point you realize using firefox is part of the same schizo agenda that tries to convince you windows is "spying on you" and will soon use their spyware data to give a list of pedos to the police (if this happened it wouldn't bother me but the funniest part is IT NEVER HAPPENED but these paranoid fucks keep promising the hammer will fall one day)
I fucking hate every single browser.Yes Firefox has the problem you described (terrible hardware acceleration overall) which makes even 4chan laggy.But Vivaldi has its own deal breaker. It completely freezes my browser for like 500ms when opening a large picture here. What the fuck is wrong with software engineers that they can't make a browser capable of browsing 4-fucking-chan?I'm starting to think the problem is with the 4chanxt extension.
>>107033084thanks for the info, maybe I will check out Vivaldi one day, I very like that it's european but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth when they use chromium.
>>107033137I am using 4chan-xt on chrome and firefox, nothing is lagging.but not the extension but the scripton firefox with violentmonkey and on chrome with scriptcat
>>107033151>>107033165Try opening the OP picture and immediately scroll downwards (like, right after clicking, before the picture fully opens)>>106959162My browser completely hangs up (can't scroll or even move the cursor) until the picture is fully loaded.This is a fresh Vivaldi install from 10 minutes ago and the only extensions I have running are violentmonkey, 4chanxt and ublock originFucking stupid browsers
>>107033178Wait holy shit I just realized it opens the picture normally from the inline link to the post.The problem is opening that dead thread as its own tab. That thread, specifically, has something going on that makes Vivaldi shit the bed.Not as bad as I thought but still bad.
>>107033178>Try opening the OP picture and immediately scroll downwardsI can't scroll when I open an image because I set up 4chan-xt different
>>107033189>>107033178I also just realized that when I open a picture and try to scroll but can't (because the browser is frozen) my PC makes two "beep" sounds that I had never heard beforeWhat the fuck is going on??????
I've just been chilling with brave for the past couple of years. It syncs across all my platforms, blocks ads and trackers, and still supports my extensions. Sure, it has had some issues, but i would consider it less evil than the competition.
Helium's pretty nice so far.Simple, more private than ungoogled chromium, and has a few convenient features.
>>107033201>>107033178>>107033189Another interesting find is that with 4chanx disabled the default 4chan image hover and inline expansion do not work. The website can only open the image in a new tab. This happens both in Firefox and in Chrome.Also the system beeps are hardware failure warnings signs.I hope someone more tech savy can help understand what is going on. On Firefox none of this happens btw.
>>107033285Apparently the problem is archived threads on Chrome running 4chanxt. They make Chrome shit the bed for some reason
>>107032820ffa lot of settings make it slow because of memory saving, setting unchanged from the past that dealt with old servers/sites, compatibility etc.Right now most sites are on very fast servers, low latency, there is no reason to have those settings like that anymore.I was like I'll make it fast like idm, up the max conn/server, and yea the download speed improved but the latency stayed the same.ff is not as snappy as chrome because of thatabout:config has a whole lot more options than ://flags so figure it out dude
>>107032970>https://www.shadertoy.com/view/dsGBzWThis gives me 90-100 in Firefox and 90-110 in Edge. Does Edge have the same problem?My biggest issue with Firefox is that it adds scrollbars where there shouldn't be any. I remember there being some config setting that fixes it but can't find it anymore.
>>107033355>Firefox is that it adds scrollbars where there shouldn't be anyI actually edited the css so I can add even MORE scrollbars, but they autohide and are very thin
>>107032820>Chrome + uBO LiteNormie stuff, college/work/socials/other gmail accounts related, barely do anything on it except that.>Firefox + uBOHobbies and pseudonym/anonym stuff.Works fine for me, Firefox is obviously a bit slower, clunkier, and some sites straight up don't work well or at all. But out of the mainstream browsers it's the only option that really has any appeal because of how clean and simple it's UI and settings are, as well as support for proper uBO integration and decent amount of customization available in about:config. Opera is chineseware, Yandex is russianware, Edge is a bloated nuisance that refuses to stop nagging, Samsung/Safari isn't on Windows, and thus you're just left with Chrome for chromium compatibility and Firefox for pseudo-privacy/independance of big tech.
>>107033303>Apparently the problem is archived threads on Chrome running 4chanxt. They make Chrome shit the bed for some reasoncan't reproduce this.>>107033448>Firefox for independance of big techhuh?
>>107033500>huh?Mozilla foundation is pretty tiny compared to giants like Google/Microsoft/Apple, and it's at least not directly owned by auth foreign governments like Yandex/Opera are. It's not perfect, but there's a reason why tor browser uses firefox and duckduckgo search as it's base. It's about as good as you can get as long as you are aware that there's no such thing as complete privacy or anonymity on the internet. But the main draw over everything else is that there's little nagging in the browser, and that the UI looks clean and uBO works well. I don't care about politics behind software, all idealogues trying to psyop me to further their agendas are scum. I'd use Brave if I found it to be more reputable, but in piracy and privacy circles it's still considered a bit shady and too new, and I really can't stand it's UI decisions, the browser settings and menus just look vomit inducing and there's no way to properly tidy them up. I'm not interested or comfortable in running meme browsers (un)maintained by 2 neckbeards in a basement in Ohio.
>it's muh hw accel!lmao nice cope, i have it disable on all my browsers and chromium based ones are still simply much faster and aren't prone to memory leak uncontrollably
>>107033370It shows them on a single line of text and it scrolls for like a single pixel. Something with how font heights are handled I guess.
>>107032820>Is there any point in using Firefox in 2025?It's not necessarily about firefox, it's about the fact that ublock origin us the only thing that makes the modern internet usable
>>107032820Firefox was doomed the moment they cancelled Servo. Rewriting the browser was the only way to salvage it but they flinched and ended up with a half-baked mess instead. Just use a Chromium fork and let the fox die already.
>>107032820im a hipster i can't use what everybody else uses
>>107032820I'm using Edge, and I'm pretty happy.
>>107033710Every once in a while I turn it off just to remind myself how fucking horrible things have gotten. If for some reason we lose adblocking, I will have to stop using the internet outside of p2p
>>107032820librewolf just werks for me, no lag here
>>107033710>>107035057Why are people under the impression you can't install ublock origin on chromium? I just did it on Vivaldi
Any Chromium browser that has containers and better vertical tabs?
>>107033094proofs?
>>107036268How's the adblocker? Is it at least as good as uBO? Does it have useful extensions equivalent to unhook, sponsorblock and sci-hub?
>>107036443What about the rest? Removing youtube shorts, mixes and auto skipping sponsors?
>>107032820Chrome doesn't have vertical tabs.
>>107036268>no telemetryAbsolutely retarded
>>107036268Why not Librewolf?
>>107036268>no WebP converter extensionWhelp.
>>107036609>commie devs
>>107036646No no I believe it has no telemetryI am saying that being afraid of telemetry is retarded
There isn't a single browser that doesn't suck these days. It all comes down to whether you prefer the experience of Chromium-based browsers or Gecko-based browsers.Prefer Chromium? Then go with Ungoogled Chromium, Qutebrowser or even le shill lion.Prefer Firefox? Then stick with Mullvad Browser, Librewolf or regular Firefox + Arkenfox/Phoenix user.js
>>107036800>I am saying that being afraid of telemetry is retardedYou vill eat ze bugs and you vill be happy.
>>107036726just disable the Communism in about:config bro
>>107033045Then you should be using plain Chromium. Because Chrome would be google + chromium.
i use firefox because i can configure it to have minimal ui in a way that i haven't been able to do in chrome, because as a dwm user i've come to tolerate zero clutter on my screen. such a simple thing it's retarded that all browsers in 2025 don't have an easy accessible way to customize such things. i really don't give a shit if my browser is a few ms slower than it could be, lol
>>107032820>>107032923I haven't had any of these issues.I exclusively use Tor Browser and Firefox ESR which was included with my operating system distribution.Firefox ESR literally just works for me and I've never had any of these issues people are describing.Like I'm really wondering what it is that people are doing on the web that's supposedly fucking them up so bad.>online banking/crapto trading/etc.no issue>watching YouTube videosworks fine, but I use Freetube anyway>general web browsing, shitpostingzero issue, I'm dragging around the quick reply window right now and there's no lag>watching porn videosjust works for meWhat's something I can do right now to demonstrate the supposed inferiority of Firefox?
>>107032820Firefox runs faster than Chrome on my PC, however, Edge runs faster than both.
>>107037340Post config
it's firefox and a bunch of scripts/add-ons for me
>>107036521this was a deal breaker for me, but I can't find a better browser than ungoogled chromium now. Every single one is shit... every single one.brave bundles all sorts of shit I dont want and every update I had to manually disable it.firefox is slow as shit + it bundles AI spyware now.librewolf is just slow as shit.chrome actively spys on you and trys to force you to watch adschromium has google telemetryUngoogled chromium is the only one that seems to be alright for now, but doesnt have vertical tabs.
>>107037889>Firefox>it bundles AI spyware nowYou can turn the AI/ML stuff off in about:config.browser.ml.enable = false
browser.ml.enable = false
>>107037441>>107037264>NOOOOO MY BROWSER IS COLLECTING ANONYMIZED TELEMETRY DATA TO FIX BUGS AND IMPROVE THE CODE
>>107037940still slow as fuck. the engine is just awful.
>>107037889Vivaldi. Though it does have way too many features and you'll have to disable or opt out of many of them.
>>107038005I might try it what needs to get disabled?
Personally, even with an ultrawide I think vertical tabs are overblown as fuck, even with a ton of tabs open at once.But yeah, ungoogled chromium is really the only sane option if you care enough about performance, because firefox is still years behind in that regard and by the looks of it, always will be. Mozilla is just trying to get some AI money squeezed in before they fall apart.I've heard pretty good things about Helium, its built off of ungoogled chrome, but it includes stuff like split view, and has some privacy features baked in that ungoogled doesn't.
>>107038074meant for >>107037889
>>107038074i've tried it. its very performant and works well, but just missing a few features I enjoy such as gtk/qt theming. If you don't give a fuck about that I think its not a bad option, but it just feels like ungoogled chromium + a bit more privacy options.
>>107032820Interesting. Mind sharing your gpu opengl level?
>>107038073Whatever you don't want to use duh
>>107032970Both gave me cinematic 60 fps, you liar.Chrome got jeeted and Firefox got trooned.
>>107037993>TO FIX BUGS AND IMPROVE THE CODE
lol chrome updated to 142 today and ubo still worksnothing ever happens
>>107032820I really want to like Firefox but it really is way behind chromium these days. I feel like Mozilla's been trying to fix it but they still have a long way to go.In the mean time I've trying other browsers like Brave, Vivaldi, and whatnot. I'm currently convinced that plan vanilla Chromium is your best bet for a no-fuss browser. Even if uBlock is cucked on it.Vivaldi kinda seems like the less shady of the bunch but god damnit the UI is horrible at least in my opinion. At least the built-in adblock is nice.
Redpill me on Midori
>>107037817Yeah, Edge is very well optimized on Windows. Sadly it is bloated, nagging and annoying to hell and back.
I built a custom optimized ungoogled version of chromium and it smoked librewolf on benchmark tests.
>slowerwhy would you care? oh no site loads in 0.8 seconds not 0.4 my life is ruined
>>107040340Launch firefox or chromium without hardware acceleragion and find outI don't mean video decode, the canvas and everything will be rendered on the cpu. Use as weak hardware as possible.
>>107036663>>107037461you fucking retards
>>107040355LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1
>>107038444>chrome updated to 142 today What's with all the tech peasants on this board?
>>107040355>Launch firefox or chromium without hardware acceleragion>Use as weak hardware as possiblewhy would I do that?
We are truiy witnessing tech feudalism. You serf wait for somebody else to do everything and then complain it isn't enough. Meanwhile you're too lazy to build let alone contribute any code. You get what you deserve
Tip for those who want a lean browser for a weak PC:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkon
>>107040421You were wondering why OP is feeling upset enough to make a thread
I use Chrome for normie stuff - work, banking, investing shit like that. For shitposting and other bullshit activities I use Brave. Most of my time is spent in Brave by the way. I see no reason to tie yourself to one browser completely. I often share my screen because of work, or just use my laptop in front of other people and for that I use Chrome.
>>107040355ok now launch any site with ff + ublock vs simple chromium and watch how your faster loading is utterly nullified by the fact you get to see ads load faster too
>>107040486brave is chrome with extra corporate bloat
>>107040486this is the way>>107040621So is every other browser. Even Firefox.
>>107040634ff uses gecko chrome and derivates all use blink
>>107032820>Is there any point in using Firefox in 2025?Nope. Floorp is way better because it's Japanese and Japan is the number 1 country in the world.
>>107040654>ff uses geckothat's just shitty chromium with tranny bloat
>>107040865no it's not?entirely separate engine and highly customizable tooplus the only one that allows ublock on mobile
>>107033737used to use that icon for ff
>>107033737
>>107037394>What's something I can do right now to demonstrate the supposed inferiority of Firefox?https://webgpu.github.io/webgpu-samples/?sample=helloTriangle
>>107037394>>watching YouTube videos>works fine>What's something I can do right now to demonstrate the supposed inferiority of Firefox?leave the browser open for more than a dayand god forbid you accidentally visit a bloated JS site while surfing the webi practically only use firefox (mullvad browser) for 4chan and other bookmarked sites i know are light and need proxy container/RFP/privacy features for because it memory leaks uncontrollably otherwise. especially with youtube.>>107041559hw accel is the least of its issues. you should turn it off on all browsers out of principle because it will NEVER be reliable. driver bugs and crashes are inevitable.
>>107041698I never had any bugs or crashes with hw accel enabled and I have it enabled like forever
why can't I click on webms on FF to close them like in chrome
I use both FF & Chromium. I still use FF as my main because I love how granular I can get with the settings and because of projects like https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/which will harden your profile. I don't pay attention to whatever defaults FF comes with because I'm going to modify them anyway, plus install privacy addons. Same with chromium.With how customizable is is, I feel like you can make FF into whatever you want. Not sure if you can easily do the same with chromium without re-compiling it
My fav is when you finally harden up a browser to make it more secure.... and then you can't login to do your banking anymore... so you have to go back and disable your security... and now you can login to your bank. :/
>>107042199Just keep a spare browser for banking, retard? I don't think you even should be using your main browser for banking anyway.
>>107032820Slop vs Plop
