What the fuck were they thinking?
>>107038792Money and fear of being left behind
>>107038801>and fear of being left behindI don't think anyone other than Microsoft was doing hybrid desktops at the time. The iPad has always been a mobile device.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1zxDa3t0fg
>>107038792Windows 8 was a decade ahead of the hardware. Imagine how well win8 would have run on Snapdragon X. All MS had to do was include a mode switch between the TouchUI and Desktop.
>>107038792>evernoteI wiped and rebooted my old lg g5 recently and this was there by default, the first time in a long time I remembered it even existedseems like in the 2010s they were constantly trying to push it, what was up with that?
>>107038792I loved this so much and all my inhouse programs use SolidJS + FLIP to mimic windows 8 tiles ;_;
>>107038792There was an idea at the time that tablets were going to completely replace conventional computers. So Ol' Baller Ballmer bet it all on green and permanently fucked up Windows forever.
>>107038836aka a bloated piece of shit
>>107038899skill issue
It was nice for tablets, but their mistake was using a full-screen touch interface for mouse and keyboard. Thankfully they fixed that in Windows 10 but it was three years past due.
Touchscreen interfaces. It's not necessarily a bad design. It's shitted up by ads.
>>107038792i thought after install update 3 on 8.1 i could bring startmenu and taskbar back. and its a lie.it's only avalable on table only not desktop.
>>107038792Like many other people (me included) they thought tablets would replace laptops, then desktops too. It didn't happen.
>>107038792They were counting on touchscreen computing taking off. It's too bad they didn't hedge their gamble because 8.1 with a start menu was unironically the best version of Windows ever made. I wish I could go back...
>>107038832you don't remember the propaganda of the time. it was the "end of the PC era"
>>107039176>>107039191except it did, look at what was considered a tablet in 2012, now look at modern phones. they're nearly the same thing
>>107039191>They were counting on touchscreen computing taking off.That and the notion of Windows on everything. So it had the issue of one thing trying to do everything, just not well.Apple kept MacOS on desktop, and iOS/iPadOS on mobile. And as they matured, found ways to gradually merge the two.
>>107038792That they could dethrone iPads and iPhones. All while having zero developer support and betraying, neglecting their main customers on the desktop.Sad, really. Windows phone and 8 weren't half bad for their usecases. But ms rushed the fuck out with them without solid ground. As always.
>>107039222except they're still not used for any real computingmaking and editing spreadsheets on a phone/tablet remains a complete humiliation ritual and 3D cad/almost any engineering software is a non-starter
>>107039280i didn't say they were
>>107038792failed soul
>>107039285ok so they didn't replace laptops and pcs, and there's no 'except it did' about it like you originally claimed
>>107039308for most people they did
>>107039308Nta, but they did. The vast majority of people only want an internet machine and for that, tablet computers are far more intuitive than desktops ever were.
>>107038792>should I teach zoomer to use a mouse?>no, let's make desktop a smartphone
>>107039321'most people' use a phone for personal stuff and a laptop/pc to get actual work done, there's still no replacing hereyou are a retarded mongoloid
The idea worked on phones but it also filled the screen, maybe instead of all the surrounding empty space they filled it up while keeping a normal taskbar it might have been better received
>>107039335For most people, their work PC is at work. Not everyone is an artist or engineer.
>>107039335you keep trying to put it towards "not all" or "but muh work", but all i said was that touchscreen computing /did/ take off, can you really say this is false?
>>107039217That part came true thoughbeit. The only people under 50 who still own a desktop PC are obese hardcore PC gaymers. Everybody else does all their computing on a phone, tablet or Macbook.
>>107039360it really depends on how you define "computing"people don't do any real computation on their mobile devices
>>107038792I forgot how awful it was until I tried 8 years later in a vm. Never again
>>107038792We'll never know to be fair just like that time Windows thought it was a good idea to make Windows phones and it completely backfiredWindows 8 & 8.1 might have been terrible but it "just worked" when you got used to it.
>>107039507>just like that time Windows thought it was a good idea to make Windows phones and it completely backfiredthey lasted over 10 years, not that bad for phones
>>107038792>We want the phone (iToddler, Andjeet) audience.>We want Windows everywhereGood thing it was soundly rejected because Windows past 7 blows.
>>107038833Unironically, the Surface line is probably one of the best things Nutella did. But then he fucked it up like everything MS does hardware wise.
>>107039520True got to give it to them it could've been something especially after they rolled out Windows 10 and now Windows 11 it mght have worked for Microsoft phones if they made them bigger
>>107039520They would've lasted much longer if not for their sheer incompetence, WP had genuine potential.
Windows died after 7 but really 2000 was the best one. People like 10 for some reason but it still had the problem of settings being split into 2 places.
>>107039546what? WP is what killed it, i was talking about winmo
>>107039561>People like 10 for some reasonI think they mostly tolerate it after suffering through 8. Nobody speaks of 10 with the same fondness they speak of 7, XP, and NT/2000.
>>107038792I still enjoy the tile design on the start menu of W10. Another thing that pissed me off from W11, ms removing it completely for regular icon thumbnails
>>107039191only win7
>>107038792Pretty much brought it back in win11 with its horrible taskbar and start menu and they aren’t going to return the classic like they did with 8.1.
>>107039676super cool story, bro, but I already have sci-fi novels if I want a really cool piece of fiction
>>107038792Saw the iphone and went all in on their tablet shit cause that's what execs liked at the time
>>107038792Saw the iphone and went all in on their tablet shit cause that's what execs liked at the time. Why you would not test on your actual userbase and instead just let c-suites make technical decisions I have no clue.
>>107039191False win 7 or xp was the best version of windows during their hardware era. For most users they still don't need any more.
>>107039865Because mircosoft became, as Jobs referred, an equivalent to pepsi-cola. They don't care about the product being good, they care about being on people's mouths. However promises the more sells is the one promoted at these companies.
>>107038792Same thing they were thinking with Windows phone and killing off Nokia.
>>107038792It was kino on phones, but shitty on computers.
>>107039561>People like 10 for some reasonstockholm syndrome. I hated it when I first used it but I've gotten used to it. When you compare it to 11 it looks pretty good
They were thinking big.
>>107038792tablet toddler related bullshittery
>>107038792Windows tablet that died you retard.
>>107038792pretty sure the guy who made this was fired
>>107038792Holy shit what distro is this? This looks really cool.
>>107041773Microsoft® Windows™ 8 Beta build 8171 (and some later ones)why this one? the wallpaper, it's a flattened version of the 7 beta wallpaper introduced in that win8 beta build
>>107038792built for tablets (and a coffee table)
>>107038792In hindsight TwinUI was the best approach.You could do everything in the regular desktop mode without ever touching the metro apps and vice versa.Windows 10 tried to merge the two interfaces and it's dogshit, control panel applets are hijacked and redirect to the settings app which don't contain all the settings and there's usually a option that opens the old control panel applet that you wanted to open in the first place.Windows 11 is somehow even fucking worse with the UI redundancy and lack of feature parity with the old implementation.
>>107038792Somehow, Microsoft's research showed that tablets would overtake desktop and laptop PCs in a matter of weeks. They believed this so vehemently, even the server versions of windows had the metro interface, they honestly thought people would be managing windows servers with a tablet.
>>107038792it was era when touch screen boat or car computer was cool like furuno and others
>>107038792they thought that the reason they lost the mobile phones was because they didnt have big buttonslosers are always fighting the last, lost battles instead of focusing on what they won which is kinda funny in this case
>>107038792I actually liked using it on desktop, specifically when tools to customize tiles got released.
I remember I had Windows 8.1 on my desktop at one point. It was ok but I don't miss it.
>>107038832>I don't think anyone other than Microsoft was doing hybrid desktops at the time.Gnome 3. Whatever the Ubuntu version was called. Even Apple started testing the waters with launchpad.
>>107038836It was actually the best iteration, I hated it but looking at what we got now, it's objectively better even the home screen built for tablets felt better than what we got on 11
what the fuck were they thinking?
>>107044382Nothing wrong when screen resolutions were small the context menu used to be as big as the new one.
>>107038792Reflecting on your comments on the Start screen - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs https://web.archive.org/web/20120907222248/http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/11/reflecting-on-your-comments-on-the-start-screen.aspxThis is what they were thinking. You see, back then, they used to actually communicate and (attempt) to justify their changes.
>>107043037I had to spend 15 minutes trying to figure out how to open the time and format control panel on 11, until I have up and just used the god mode to open it directly, glad that still works at least
>>107044706No one's actually going to read this are they?
>>107038832Windows is a phone OS.
Why did they have to put the tablet interface on windows server though
>>107038792They thought 2 in 1 devices were the future, so they went all in on touch without consideration for mouse users. Windows phone was primarily just a timing issue, It could've went somewhere if it was released 2-3 years earlier. But it probably also still failed, because it didn't have the same polish as iphone.
>>107044491I think the problem is the show more options button
