I want to settle down and stick to one distro for general pc usage, shitposting, local AI, gayming.>FedoraI like the 6 months cycle + 12 months support, up to date kernel, mesa and DE. But I hate the fact, that it's Red Hat/IBM and not fully community driven like Debian or Arch. And I like the security with SELinux and other hardening.>DebianStable, clean, community driven. 2 years cycle sounds good, but the Linux world is evolving so fast right now. I have FOMO on the latest kernel, mesa and DE improvements.Maby I don't see the bigger picture here, whats your choice, anon? Other pros/cons? And no, I don't want fucking windows 7, a mac or other distros.
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Fedora is used by serious people who solve real problems. Debian is used by communist trannies. I hope you find this information useful.
>>107046459I used to use Fedora but I switched to arch.The reason for the swltch was because my nvidia drivers would crash randomly for some reason(doesnt happen on arch) and while Fedora packages are up-to-date compared to other dlstros, theyre still not as up-to-date as I would like.A new nvidia driver would release and I would have to wait 2-3 weeks before it was on the rpm fusion repo
>>107046459I vote for Debian, more and better packagesFedora is just a beta tester distro for IBM/Redhat Enterprise
>>107046459fedora atomic is the way>that it's Red Hat/IBM and not fully community driven like Debian or Archthats a good thing, there's actual fulltime paid developers working on the thing
>>107046459i prefer debian its what i am used to and older software has not been an issue for me yet
>>107046560>I vote for Debian, more and better packagesI had to enable so many 3rd party repos on Debian... for ROCm and Waydroid for exampe, those things were packaged on Fedora.>Fedora is just a beta tester distro for IBM/Redhat EnterpriseI hate that feeling, but on the other hand Fedora is still relatively stable and has good security.
>>107046599Fedora/Redhat = corporate datamining spywareI dont give a damn if IBM is an american company and Fedora/Redhat is Linux, fuck em I dont trust them
>>107046708>corporate datamining spywareproof?
>>107046652I don't mind older general use packages, because I can always use flatpaks or appimages, if I need more recent software. It's just about the Kernel and Mesa driver.
>>107046459Both are systemd/gnu/linux projects, just with different package managers and update strategies. They aren't that different.>I like the security with SELinux and other hardening.SELinux is largely pointless on a single-user home system.>2 years cycle sounds good, but the Linux world is evolving so fast right now.Like what, using current Debian stable, and then updooting to the next Debian stable after 2 years?I guess you could do that, but Debian testing exists.>>107046496> debian is clearly superiorNah, it depends on your use case.
>>107046708https://src.fedoraproject.org/please point me to the datamining/spyware part>20+ years old distro>full time paid developers responsible for it meaning they got skin in the game. if they do sketchy/bad shit their careers and reputation is on the linemaybe its just me but id rather have this as my fulltime desktop than someone's hobby project. that being said debian project also has a level of security from it's long history so it's not a good comparison. but id take fedora/debian over any hobby distro that's some dude's side hustle and the reason i prefer fedora is its just newer/faster updating and has the security of atomic distros
You can get Debian up to par for the most part but it requires more work and doesn't hold your hand as much. Fedora is significantly easier out of the box especially for gaming and one of the best to pair with something like KDE Plasma. I think it comes down to whether your tism about Red Hat wins out over wanting the fanciest toys.
>>107046459Fedora has approved AI assisted coding, prepare for a Jeetdows-tier experience
>>107047033well said
>>107046836he may be a full time paid expert, but his job consists of making free packages from people working for free. supply chain attacks can't always be stopped by distro maintainers. especially if you use fedora rolling variant where some shit will eventually get bundled sooner or later. and that without even relying on 3rd parties, like melpa, cpan, pip, npm etc..
>>107047148Newsflash: every opensource project has AI assisted coding whether it's approved or not.
>>107048409So the problem with Fedora is the same problem as with every single other distribution.
>>107048816yes, with software distribution in general.you may have downloaded signed and trusted python from your distro. but when you use python -m pip your distribution has no control over what is on that 3rd party repository.
>>107046459Neither. openSUSE is all you need.
>>107046708>Fedora/Redhat = corporate datamining spywareYou can literally audit the codebase and opt out of any telemetry. Holy shit kill yourself you imbeciles
>>107048879Looks like the perfect distro on paper, sadly not all the software I need/want is there.
>>107048794AI-assisted coding has been so common that FEDora decided to make the announcement that they're going to start using it? I don't think so, Ranjeet. We are witnessing the Windowsification of Linux.
>>107048979>You can literally audit the codebase and opt out of any telemetryI can't :/
Is debian even good for home usage? I heard it's better for servers and systems that want to stay completely stable for software compatibility like on workstations.
>>107049060It's best for mature hardware, there are many usecases to run debian.>>107046558Seeing how the latest nvidia drivers broke several games I wish I waited with my bleeding edge hardware.
>>107049075Thanks, but what about outdated mesa drivers? In case of AMD? If I run an emulator as AppImage, it will use my systems mesa, which will be outdated soon... I mean there are flatpaks with their own mesa, but still, some things arent available as flatpak... and what about steam? Steam as .deb will also use my systems mesa... idk what to do... I wanna kms... FEDora or Debby?
>>107049094I don't use debian for gaming
>>107049046Why can't you?
devuan or bazzite you mean
>>107049094you can use debian sid
>>107049570what the fuck even is the point of debian sid when you can just use a proper rolling release distro like arch
>>107049817this
>>107049094there is a newer mesa in the backports repo
>>107049942Thats nice, because iirc I read that mesa usually doesn't get backported. How do you enable a mesa backport for example?
>>107048879Opensuse 16 is a disaster. Was my favorite distro for daily use but after yast removal and that cockpit bullshit I'm really thinking about switching to back to Debian after 10 years.
>>107049178Well, according to the picture he's using Debian.
>>107046459Fedora for laptops. Debian for everything else.
>>107050004i followed this page and it worked https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ basically just create the new file and copy and paste i have installed a newer kernel and mesa from backports and every thing seems to have been going well
>>107046459>I have FOMO on the latest kernelunwarranted unless you use bleeding edge hardware>DE improvementsMost of the time thesea) are so incremental you can live without themorb) break stuff/make the system unstableFor example I think KDE Plasma is a great DE, but I wouldn't run it on anything other than Debian stable because new releases are often buggy (as the "krashes" crowd likes to remind you every time it comes up)
>>107046708Low iq post
>>107046459apt > dnfDebian is less bloatedIf you want a distro that is always changing just use arch which is right now the biggest and most updated distro on the marketTLDR: If you use fedora use arch otherwise use Debian
>>107050581Thank you, you sound very white, based and mature. I think I will go with Debian now. But I don't think the KDE argument is good, because KDE doesn't have stable releases for any distro iirc, and yes the "Krashes" is not a meme, it instantly *krashes* when I download a fucking global theme on FEDora.
>>107046459>debian>on the dektop>gamingpain and misery
you even know the answer you're just stuck in cope and "big company daddy please save me!" mentalityit's archit's always going to be arch
>>107050975>Gaming on debian = pain and miseryI was just about to install debian... are you fucking kidding me?>>107050981you're just stuck in cope and "big company daddy please save me!" mentalitytrue, but I don't want to run arch on my main system. I'd rather suck the company D and run fedora.
>>107050975Why would you game on a distro made for server management and business
>>107046459debian is great, and my personal favorite, but there is better out there for your usecase
>>107051003Why didn't you say you wanted to game in the first place? If you want to game most the linux gaming tools are on ARCH
>>107051003>but I don't want to run archWhy? With archinstall even normies like you can install ti
>>107051033I used archinstall before. I like the AUR, but I also hate it and there are some packages I need. And I don't want to deal with yay or paru breakage ever again. I just want a reliable and secure system, it's not about being "too hard" it's just about a comfy system.
>>107051053>comfy systemMint not Debian. Debian is for IT people Mint is for comfy people
>>107050127He can audit the Debian codebase and there is no telemetry, are you confusing Debian for Ubuntu?
>>107046708>Fedora/Redhat = corporate datamining spywareso you boycott freedesktop, pipewire, flatpak, xorg and wayland?
>>107046459>DebianIf you need something stable to give to your parents/grandparents. Set it and forget it. People who use Debian only need it for web browsing and Email checking.>FedoraFor the group of people who want the "cutting edge" updates on Linux, but don't want to deal with the "bleeding edge" risk like Arch. As a semi-rolling setup, it has both stability and up-to-date features. It's for the productive user, not the power user.>ArchFor the "power user". Updates are always first here and everything can be manually tweaked. If you use Arch, you likely want to tinker with everything and you're fully prepared to break and fix a few things to obtain your desired setupThis is how I've always looked at these three. I'm a Fedora/KDE guy. I changed a few settings to get the basic DE setup I wanted, nothing fancy like the Arch bros. I use my PC for gaming and average productivity..
>>107051003If you just want to game, but don't want the Arch/Debian experience, install Nobara. It's Fedora with the gaming shit prepackaged and setup for you.It's maintained by "Glorious Eggroll", the guy who works on the Steam Proton tool.
>>107046459neither provide any performance bonus or any coding advantage. so I am neutral on both
I had problems with Debian's use of outdated kernel in the past and my hardware was not even that new at the time.But if it works for you and you know you will not be needing to run anything new stability is a good thing to have.
>>107052277Want to try Anti WOKE distro openmandriv
>>107052292I daily Hannah Montana Linux nowadays
Both are a pain in the ass to get to work with nvidia
>>107051427The joke is that there is none. Hence he can't
>>107050103I'm using Tumbleweed and the only difference I see is... uh... Myrlyn?
Whats wrong with ubuntu?
>>107052531Snaps and OOMs
>>107052531Name one good thing about it
>>107052575It solves all these problems by not being autistic about opensource
>>107046708I love how this is said about Ubuntu and nobody bats an eye, say it about Fedora and you get all the (You)svery natural shilling as we can see
>>107052434The new installer runs over firefox, the partition management is confusing as fuck and for some reason wiped off my bootloader and even updating grub after install didn't recovered it.Awful experience.
