>>107049120honestly based
Man really said "I did it because I got paid to do it, eat shit faggots".
>>107049120fake news, only half the start menu is done in react native (which renders xaml components anyway, not webshit)https://youtu.be/kMJNEFHj8b8?t=4m47s
>>107049120>Tremblaythis has to be a quebecker
>>107049120Philippe didn't do the needful.
>>107049120who the fuck cares?it is fucking windows,a fucking toy os that only morons and children use
>>107049120
>>107049222rewrite it in C and asm, retvrn to tradition
>>107049120What is the use case of great work?
reminder: Microsoft made windows so godawful that they had to also make it effectively free to maintain userbase, when they stopped enforcing windows activation.Now even making it free with support for existing software no longer matters - the OS is so godawful that people are either going for other free OS options (linux/bsd/etc) or paying to not deal with windows (macos)
>>107049222Heh. This disregard for efficiency and performance doesn't happen in any other industry. The waste is incredible, but negated in the eyes of the end user by fancy effects and more powerful hardware.
>>107049120meanwhile on linux, my entire desktop:
>>107049120Man got hit with the "you never stopped to think if you should" and honestly responded with:>Everything I make is so amazing that I don't need to thinkThis is your brain on vibecoding
i really dont understand how windows users can even complain. they are getting fucked in the ass on repeat and a react native app is the deal breaker? not the ai integration, not the forced updates, windows "defender", but the startmenu that spikes cpu usage for a millisecond. they will be first in line for the wangblows 12 update anyway.
>>107049120What would happen if you used an autoclicker on the start menu? Would be hilarious if it froze the entire system
>have opportunity to ask a genuine question from the dev of the thing you're shitting on>be a total smart-ass insteadyeah i dont blame that dev for checking out of that thread, weird.
>>107049222Checked. I love this quote.
>>107050546its all the little things like that that add up to a massive annoyancethe start menu being slow as fuck to opensearch not working properlyretarded menus like control panel getting more annoying and retardedthe obvious things like aislop, ads, telemetry are shit but everyone will turn them off, the godawful broken ui you are stuck with
>>1070491850% of any operating system should be created with React Native
>>107049120Honorary Aryan
>>107049120"So you're missing a basic requirement for 'great' software and proud?"
>>107049120> that "person" gets paid 10x if not 100x of what you makeTND TKD
>>107049120stop at onceOS GUI is not a shitty Todo app on chromium
>>107050818>the start menu being slow as fuck to openWhat is slow as fuck about this?
>>107051145On Linux it's there instantly literally on the next frame not after 0.2 seconds
>>107051145in old versions of windows you could press windows key on your keyboard and start typing instantly, and what you type would go into the searchnow its laggy as shit and will drop some of the characters you type unless you wait for it to finish opening the start menu before you type
>>107049120>I'm a carpenter so I use a saw to mince my garlic.>Any other questions?
>>107051333I tested this and it doesn't happen to me>>107051313You mean the animation? You can turn animations off in the accessibility settings.
>>107050653>make something objectively worse>heh, i don't consider such things when improving themHow does this not make the dev look retarded?
>>107051500>it's 0.002 sec late because animation. winshit is too laggythe startmenu being a poojeet webshit aside, I thought poonix users were le smart
>>107051454Based
>>107050208kde, qt and gtk4 apps are all some flavor of javascript webshit
Yall midwits. React is simply the best way to handle UI state. It's not just webshit, Roblox for example ported it to Lua. You can use it for any type of UI
>>107047163>https://x.com/philtrem22/status/1927492502845812762>this was a joke
>>107051620what about the fact that your ui renders on a web browser?
>>107049120not my problem, why would it make me mad?
>>107050546Defender is good though. GNU needs an real antivirus software to deal with all the new GNU malware that's being developed plus the Windows malware that users run through WINE.
>>107051584but that anon uses dwm...
>>107051620It's a much better pattern for UI than imperative. The main problem with react is that it does a ton of unnecessary work that other JS frameworks like svelte or solid can avoid (re-rendering the entire component tree and diffing it all on every tiny change? Retarded.)And that it runs on JS. JS is horribly inefficient. How many JIT compilers is v8 running on different threads, at the same time, just so that the actual JS code can run... somewhat fast?
>>107051679and? dwm is just a windows decorator, the apps are webshit
>>107049120start menu doesn't have cpu spikes for me but the shitty windows update does. It runs constantly idk what it does and it never fucking ever finishes.
>>107051584neither qt nor gtk applications use javascript (except if they are written in javascript). Qt has a stylesheet language and gtk4 uses css yes, but it's just for defining the style, it's not related to javascript nor webshit.
>>107051749>whats qml>QML (Qt Meta-object Language[4]) is a user interface markup language. It is a declarative language (similar to CSS and JSON) for designing user interface–centric applications. Inline *JavaScript* code handles imperative aspects.>whats gjshttps://gjs.guide/showcase/
Just the "Recommended" section—the lower frame showing M365 files & frequent apps—is built with React Native. And it uses Microsoft’s React Native for Windows that renders real XAML components, so it’s not just a masquerading WebView or something.The Start Menu itself is still C++ and XAML. It’s not just all a web thing or a JS-backed React Native app.https://youtu.be/kMJNEFHj8b8?t=4m47s
>>107049120(you) posted this already.do it again, (you) might get 300 replies this time.likely not though
>>107049120I run Cinnamon which is basically js/html/css so can't throw too much shade on winbabs for this
>>107051145>aislop wallpaper>defending microsoftI'm notocing
>>107051802I wonder if there's a way to just kill the React part of it so the recommended section just doesn't show. I mean those are basically just ads for Microjeet services anyway.
>>107051773nta, but youre a moron. "b-but muh whataboutisms" >whats qmla piece of shit abomination that evaluates a subset of ECMA script inline in a bid to compete with wpf>whats gjsgjs is inherently broken and gnome devs don't care because they don't use it past hello worlds. gintrospection can barely describe callbacks. the fact gnome desktop has any functional ruby and js bindings is a fucking miracle, and even then their codebases are pretty much copy/paste with the exact same hello world demos.you're a fucking moron if you think kde and qt apps use javascript. gnome, maybe if by javascript you mean scuffed python bindings that barely work, unlike pyslide.
>>107049222I said it before and I'll say it again this is what happens when you tell generations of programmers you don't need to know maths to be a good programmer.
>>107049120>TremblayThe eternal leaf strikes againLa feuille éternelle frappe une fois de plus
>>107052164For me it's not even this, it's the lasagna-like stack of software layers. A React faggot has no idea what he's triggering when he's doing anything he's doing, the software layers he's relying on could be doing the most absurd things for all he knows.
>>107052203That's the next big issue. Stacking 20 frameworks on top of each other without knowing what any of them do.
>>107052203>>107052339corporate management's fault, 100%
>>107052164You don't need math to write optimized code, you just need to be good at visualizing your data access and minimizing trips to main memory. The skills of a good programmer are basically just logistics.Mathematical operations on a CPU are really fast and cheap. Trips to main memory are glacially slow. Even trips to a lowet CPU cache are significantly slower than doing many math operations. A guy who writes inefficient mathematical statements but minimizes cache misses will write much faster code than a guy who writes really elegant, efficient mathematical statements but constantly has the CPU wasting most of the data it pulls from memory.And a nigger who uses React has probably never even thought of the hardware at all.
>>107050546Windows users are like women, they like to complain about what a jerk Microsoft is but they keep going back for more Microsoft dick.
>>107052164If you think nu-software is slow because of "suboptimal" math you're on the peak of mount dunning-kruger.
>>107051620>>107051687Reminder that the reason "browsers are hungry for RAM" isn't because the browsers are bloated, it's because the websites are.
>>107052435No, we need to go back to being elitist even if there are midwits who think pre-optimizing code makes them adept.
>>107052415>Mathematical operations on a CPU are really fast and cheaplel, if you're thinking about basic operands then yes, but if we're talking about math you quickly stop using just simple operands (well, it's still simple operands under the hood, it's just that your cos() or log() call turns into many of them).>A guy who writes inefficient mathematical statements but minimizes cache misses will write much faster code than a guy who writes really elegant, efficient mathematical statements but constantly has the CPU wasting most of the data it pulls from memory.Not if the scenario really differs from what you have in mind. You can have a 100x or 10,000x faster algorithm by doing a less retarded algo that has nothing to do with memory access.
>>107052435Since I need to obviously spell it out for you the maths courses are there to filter out retards like (You).
>>107051145Honestly anon the bigger problem is start menu search.It takes 10 billion years to search for any apps unless you disable bing search in regedit.Because some mongoloid vibe translated the group policy name and it's impossible to find it otherwise.
>>107052485He's right though, >>107052164 is a fucking retard.
>>107052492Pack together many operations in your function and they're still absurdly cheap (and subject to the compiler's optimisation). I don't think you understand how much slower memory access is than math.>Not if the scenario really differs from what you have in mind. You can have a 100x or 10,000x faster algorithm by doing a less retarded algo that has nothing to do with memory access.Everything you write involves memory access whether you know it or not, ranjesh.
>>107052493How come scientists with degrees write garbage dogshit code whenever they have to do programming then? They're smart people and wouldn't be filtered by math courses (math isn't spelled "maths" by the way you idiot), but they typically write shitty code anyways.
>>107050208>2 different browsers open (about 10 tabs each), a file transfer and torrent in the background, composited desktop, Steam and a chat clientYet I'm still running how Windows does on idle lol>>107051773Pretty sure QML is compiled. It's been like that since the early 2000s.
>>107051145Honestly anon the bigger crime is app launch times.How can you have 10-20x longer app launch times.Both cold and hot cache times are much longer despite using pcie4 nvme ssds with dram cache.You cannot really have apples to apples between like gnome-papers and adobe reader/foxit reader, sumatraPDF is really quick.But I recently spinned an ubuntu 24.04 VM and installed TDE on it.tdePDF basically launches in a single frame, though they have lots of work to make it more stable or port all the apps from old pre-dbus kde specific interfaces to dbus.
>>107052562>being this fucking pretentious AND retardedGrim but as anon already said >>107052485. I will not waste my time going step by step through the absolute fucking basics with you.
>>107049185I'd prefer it to render webshit over that gobbdlygook. At least with html and css, I'd be able to make a new skin without a compiler.
>>107052494If you type "app:" it will only search installed programs.I hate macro$hit.
>>107052435its not purely because of it, but if you dont know math youre a dullard anyway so its related
>>107052415behold: https://en.algorithmica.org/hpc/data-structures/binary-search/
>>107052103That's because there aren't many 5120x1440 wallpapers.An Anon on /g/ made it for me
>>107052164Very much this >>107052435, anon has never in his life tried to write performant AVX256 code in readable C/C++ without the use of direct intrinsics, maybe with help from openMP to hint the compiler to vectorize better.
>>107052716I also didn't dick around with C/C++ enough to claim that I can write performant code.It really cannot save you from writing code that the compiler doesn't really churn into performant assembly.Math doesn't save you from writing code that gets the CPUs cache and branch predictor worked the f-up.Okay there are algorithms spacial complexities etc.I would also consider that sometimes algorithms are more about "actions" than about math.Or about what a given algorithm when implemented/a pre-made implementation used does functionally.Like quantized DCT-II letting you quantize frequency of change of information in horizontal or vertical directions etc.Math can save you at times, don't get use wrong, but it doesn't matter when React Native is redrawing the interface 100/200 times per every element present, because someone wrote something incorrectly or the framework let's you easily write such a mistake.
>>107049120This can't be real, right?
>>107052832I looked it up, it's real but it's a shitpost
>>107049222i don't like how this has been propagated by a delusional schizo screenshotting and reposting his own drivel
>>107053362t. corpo manager of code monkeys
>>107049120front-end faggots deserve the rope. Every single one of them. Failed programmers tend to become a front-ender usually
>Windows 11 OOBE is a webapp with a working developer consolelmao
>>107052710>irfanviewbased
>open task manager>open start menu>a piddly little 4% usage increase occurs on open as it queries recent files and loads contentHow dogshit is your computer if this is a performance concern?
>>107049120"Calling your work great won't stop it being terrible."
>>107049222I felt exactly what that pic was describing just now while trying to find a digital picture frame for a funeral. Saw pic related in the reviews for one of them.
>>107050830says who?
>>107054537A piddy little 4% usage increase here, a piddy little 4% usage increase there..Hardware has made insane leaps during the last 15 years. Why do I need modern hardware to perform the same fucking tasks I did 15 years ago with the same, if not worse, speed? How is that acceptable? I understand calling someone a poorfag if they complain they can't play gayms with raytracing in 4K on garbage hardware, but why the fuck do I need modern hardware to comfortably browse 4chan, press the windows key when I need to, type three buttons to open a note-taking app and take a note? Why are the same simple actions significantly less fluid to perform, on hardware that is newer?
>>107055121God imagine the wireshark capture.
>>107055189All the extra headroom is being used to track you and collect your personal information from within the OS itself
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