Nope.
but why?
>>107052294>QWERTY
>>107052294>EuropeNope.>QWERTZOnly germoids.Use either qwerty or azerty (less issues).
that key should be pressed with your right index fingerleft ctrl with other hand
>>107052294The real benefit of the European keyboard layout is the button between left shift and Z (Y in this image) and the large Enter key.
>>107052294even communist britain doesnt use qwertzreally puts into perspective how far gone these people are
>>107052294>Europe is when Germanyretard
>>107052381thick enter key makes me hard
>>107052441thisIt's when Germany and France.>inb4 glorified balkanized shitholes with delusions of grandeur
German chad entering the chatfuck qwerty losers
>>107052476>France keyboard is when German keyboardretard
>>107052294nobody use qwertz, its either azerty or qwerty
>>107052294>STRGWTF? do regional keybords really translate terms like Tab, Caps Lock CTRL, Enter, Back print screen into their languages? I am ESL and I have a normal qwerty, keyboard because using anything else would feel weird af
>>107052526Yeah it stands for STEUERUNG
>>107052496Fuck your stupid garbage country. You deserve the dresden bombings.
>>107052526I don't see anything other than english words.
literally not a problem if you don't have tiny dwarf hands
>>107052504My sincere condolences.
>>107052294Redo combination for US
>>107052294angloids btfo
>>107052496You would undo this comment if you could reach the two keys necessary
>>107052535>>STEUERUNG>effectively steering>Literal translations
>>107052603steuerung also means control you dip
>>107052546>bild, einfg, einbr, druck>english words
>>107052886I mean my own keyboard.
>>107052886>ÖÄÜClassic American. Wänt tö get söme börgörs later bröther?
>>107052374This. It's the same with Shift or any modifier key, for keys on the left side you press the key with your left hand and the modifier key with your right and vice versa for the other side.
anyone tried Workman layout?
>>107052294Literally a non-issue if you have normal hands.CTRL + Y for redo is used daily just like undo.>he didn't know
>>107053012uh? I just do ctrl shift z
>>107053012>CTRL + Y for redo is used dailyno? never heard of anyone using redo in my life. why would you redo something you wanted to undo? that's like asking God to erase all the times you humiliated yourself and cemented yourself as the loser of the school only to change your mind halfway through and ask him to turn you back into a loser.
>>107052907I am esl european, I just don't understand why would anyone translate such basic words that are litereally the core of computing
>>107053041Limited support in applications.>>107053060bro what the fuck are you talking about just UNDO the accidental undo it's OK
>>107053171ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR OWN ACTIONS THERE IS NO GOING BACK
>>107053010Yeah, I tried it, bit it wasn't suitable for me, I prefer the neet layout instead.
>>107053171>accidental undoI'm not your mom, I don't do abortions
>>107053249this joke doesn't make any sense since he's here posting
>>107053180My mentor didn't fuck with transactions>less login.sql>SET AUTOCOMMIT ON; Örjan, is that you?
>>107052294if you ever wrote hello world you abandon that shit immediately and never look back.our retarded keyboard layout has:[] are altgr+F/G{} are altgr+B/N| = altgr+W| = altgr+Qimagine coding with that shit (people actually do)
>>107052381ISO vs ANSII tried typing in qwerty before and I bought wrong one. I can type qwerty just fine, I can't type on an ansi keyboard cause the missing keys
>>107053190kek
>>107052294My life is heavily run by SUPER/SHIFT/CTRL/ALT key combos. It's not ergonomic at all, and I'm wondering if there is a better way?
>>107053463ideally for me would be a mix of ANSI/ISO/JIS. general ISO but with long left shift from ANSI and short space from JIS with two extra buttons on the sides.
>>107052371>Only germoids.meg a kurva anyád is :D
>>107053481 mesomething like this
>>107052294have you tried not being a handlet?
>>107052294I had this keyboard. It was okay
>>107053511>meg a kurva anyád is :DOr turkish people apparently, no idea what you are saying.
>>107052592basé
>>107053537kek'd
>>107053280It does because his sister isn't
just use qwertzgermany having a special keyboard is just a retarded as USA using its own retarded unitssame for decimal seperator btw
>>107052526>do regional keybords really translate terms like Tab, Caps Lock CTRL, Enter, Back print screen into their languages?yeah. in French ctrl/alt stay the same but shift becomes maj, capslock becomes verr.maj, enter becomes entrée, del becomes suppr, print screen is impr.écr (or some variant of that, it's ImpÉc on my Thinkpads), etc. see picrel basically
>>107053512I learned typing on Azerty BE ISO keyboard (on a typewriter for real) I need that key between left shift and Z (W for me) It holds <>/ in azerty
>>107053624>It holds <>/ in azertyjust <>. the / is on another key on the other side of the keyboard
>>107053010absolute fucking meme
>>107053010Alt layouts are cool and all but I've already fallen behind at work a bit while getting used to an ergo keyboard and learning to use all 10 fingers when touch typing.Maybe next year, although the new meme layouts seem to be gallium and graphite.
>>107053637my bad it's the \ (altgr+)
>>107053901altgr + > does | for me\ is altgr + 8
>>107053908Azerty belgium here.. it's.. 'special' Difficult to find good keyboards cause most don't come with this layout..
>>107053941ah alright, we just don't have the same layout then, I'm on azerty FR
Honestly I'm just pissed we never evolved keyboards beyond the early 1980s slopWhy the fuck do we still have shit like capslock but not an undo key
>>107054036just map it to a key bruh
>>107052294There's another control/strg key on the other side, poindexter.
>>107054046Thats what I do. I built my own.But its either just sending retarded keycode combos to the OS (most universal) or something less compatible, that either requires the OS to support it, typically via some configuration, or some custom software on the computer to translate it to an action.We got all the retarded extra media keys in the 90s like "EMAIL" and "INTERNET" but we didn't get a goddamned undo button
>Strg>Umschalt>Festell>Alt Gr>Rücklösch>Entfernen>Einfügen>Bild hoch, Bild runter>Pos1>Ende>Rollen>Druck>S-Abf>Pause>DruckImagine not having your own localized layout
>>107052294Use two hands retard.
>>107054036Can't improve perfection
>>107054036Buy an ergo split.
>>107054236can't need both on my dick
>>107052381ISO layout fucks me up, the enter key just wastes too much space. I prefer having the backslash above the enter key so I can write directories\like\this faster.
>>107054178Do you also translate English words in things like programming too? Like change 'return' in cpp to zurückkehren?
>>107054109it needs a keycode isn't it?
>>107054408Programming concepts often get translated but nothing in the code itself.
>>107052294That's not azerty. Also I made people use qwerty as a policy. Trying to switch to azerty or qwertz nukes the installation and calls special ninjas from dell and hp to reseat keycaps.
>>107054484Why?
>>107054558Makes it easier to read for non germans
>>107054569Who cares about untermensch?
>>107054610german programmers apparently
>>107052294No it's notYou think European countries all have the same keyboard you retard?
Thank God the GR layout is exactly the US layout 1:1>no extra bullshit keys>proper Enter key size>proper Qwerty
>>107052294what are you a handlet?
>>107054720Dang hieroglyphics on keyboards wow.
>>107054236that's what I told my wife last night
>>107052294>qwertzlmao
>>107052294You don't have to use the default layout.
>>107054796What a coincidence, I told your wife the same thing!
>>107052457it's shit, on mechamemecals it breaks
>>107052496Anon come to America my cousin throw lavish burger party
>>107054899son, you're not supposed to do that
>>107054956nah, don't want to get shot by cops
>>107054913Just do not buy absolute fucknig trash keyboards?
Nothing beats German T2 kezboards.
>>107052294Americans would agree with OP if they could read. Over 60% of the Americans read below 6th-grade level and 40% can't read at all.
>>107055099 /pol/ tier statistics. In reality 99% of Americans can read just fine.
>>107052294so? are you a handlet?
>>107054913maybe stop banging your head against your keyboard, never had that happen and I'm not exactly delicate with my keebs
the tiny shift is a crime against humanity
your tiny dick is a crime against humanity
>>107052526apple replaces them with symbols in international versionsthe ansi version has text only
>>107052294Stop making so many mistakes then.
>>107052294> lamenting from not using vimlower your tone, pleb
>>107052294The worst fucking things are all the different brackets
>>107055379>apple replaces them with symbols in international versionsNo they don't, they just don't translate them and never did, which was a smart move tbqh.
European here. I specifically avoid buying local layout keyboards and always look for one with US English layout. Anything other than that is a meme. Also, if you use English, the Z in QWERTZ becomes Y and you can use it the same way as non Germans do. Also, think QWERTZ is bad? See what they used to have in Latvia.
>>107054720>proper Enter key sizeUnfortunately, most GR boards have an ISOtrash enter key. You are lucky yours is free from that shit.
>>107052294>Typing with one hand in an Office SuiteStop masturbating to spreadsheets
>>107056512no
>>107056097>No they don'tyou posted evidence that they do.
>>107056512>OUUUUUUUUUUUUUH PAGE LAYOUT AND FORMULAS EROTIC INSERT TABLE EROTIC
>ctrl f dvorak>0 resultsZoomers are truly the most tech illiterate generation since boomers.
>>107054433yeah, some standard keycodeyou can use the unmapped ones and configure your computer or use a software package that intercepts it, but its ultimately just going to be sending a keycode to applications at some level, for backwards compatOSes should have grown first class support for it
>>107052381>The real benefit of the European keyboard layout is the button between left shift and ZNope, that shit sucks gay nigger ass. I don't need anything standing between my left pinky and the shift key. Why couldn't they have placed it near the RIGHT shift?!>and the large Enter keyThe big-ass Enter is better, but I haven't seen one since the early 2000s. It's all fucking ISO now.*sigh*I miss old Mitsumi keyboards.
>>107055339Hey, the tiny ones are nice cause the big ones hurt
>>107056136interesting,I've seen the cancerous UK layout with slapped-on GR keys, didn't know that it was commonRecently I got a Lenovo keyboard for a relative, and it was US/GR alright,I think all GR Lenovos are like that.>personally us mechanical keyboards, all of them US layout from what I've seen
>>107052294My country took that disgusting layout from the G*rmans, and I hate it with a passion.You also have to use AltGr for everything, and a bunch of programs don't function properly because of it.I switched to the US layout and never looked back.>>107052381>The real benefit of the European keyboard layout is the button between left shift and Z (Y in this image)That's a disadvantage DOE? The small shift is not as comfy. Large enter + large shit would be GOAT.
mmm thick enter key
>>107052294QWERTZ is only Ger/Serb/Cro layouts no? Pretty sure the rest are QWERTY, have yet to meet an EU fag that actually uses QWERTZ.
>>107058328>Pretty sure the rest are QWERTYnot all. AZERTY exists
>>107058366Azerty is 99% used by France which aren't human so it doesn't count.
>>107055143>In reality 99% of Americans can read just fine.Blatant fucking lie. You have never spoken to American zoomers online. They are like kids.
generating arguments about international keymappings and physical layouts is definitely the most interesting way i've seen hostile national actors get people mad at other countries and become more jingoistic. the sad part is that it's only working because everyone is so fucking goddamn DUMB holy shit.
>>107058447The biggest blackest gorilla nigger in the room is (You) for believing anyone in this thread is human and since you're retarded yes that includes me too.
>>107058479when did I say that? hostile national actors are the ones operating the bot farms, you know. well, and hostile domestic actors too. but you get what I mean!
>>107058479I AM HUM..-error..-e-erro.. ..rr
>>107052294Keyboard combinations are the worst part about dvoraksince copy-paste-undo I have to do it with my right hand or both hands. cut is uncomfortable too.thank god for vim bindings
>>107052457we even dont use them in Europe
>>107058388azerty...
>>107055089wtf
>>107052294>not using colemakImagine having all the common shortcuts in the same place as qwerty without having a layout that wants to actively murder your right hand.
>>107052294I am europoor and literally have Z in normal position, meds.
>>107052294AZERTY you dumb bitch.
>>107058420It's the truth
>>107055089Is this some kind of phonetic keyboard, i.e. to write all possible latin letters?
>the country of europewe just use ANSI
>>107054178>>Alt GrI'm here
>>107064096ew
>>107065223Do not cross me or I'll pull out the BÉPO.
>>107052294What's the problem? It works fine for me. Do you have small hands? You know what they say about men with small hands?
>>107065582What do they say?
>>107065740AchtungStrudel!!
>>107065740Small hands, small ... you know what.
>>107052603you are _controlling_ the car, aren't you?
>>107053481>>107053512I would love standard Nordic ISO (SFS 5966) with the JIS spacebar + 2 additional buttons
>>107054913No, it doesn't. The big enter key just works.
>>107065994stupid denmark swap the æ and ø/öthen you have... iceland... why iceland why!
Literally a skill issue.
>>107065758Why are Burgers so obsessed with "Strudel" of all words? Germans say this maybe once a year around Christmas.
>>107066347>>107065994wikipedia pic, assume right is wrong, but it's fuckedfellow nordic kb enoyer, only thing that makes sense is that you don't have to do alt-\-a/e/i... to do á,é,íhow can you use this iceland?
>>107054408Rückgabewert.
>>107066628>wedontdothatingermany.png
sami also use standard nordic layout, it's just iceland...
>>107066742I'll stop now, but it's completely broken in my gentoo shit.. press y get this and keys are wrong
>>107052294I swap Alt and Ctrl around in any case, this "Mac-like" arrangement is more comfortable.
>>107052294>OP has tiny dicklet handssucks to be you, I guess
as a frenchie who's had to use the belgian iso layout for a few years, I've got to admit it's actually way betterthis and getting a great alpin keyboard cured my keycaps addiction because they are so fucking hard to get now
>>107067718Why are you French
>>107053010Dvorak is superior.
>>107052496purge muslims
>>107055089umlaut muh bawls
>>107052371you're the same!>>107052294kek, why do they do this?
>>107052294100% humiliation ritual.
I never learned to right shift.I left shift everything. My ring finger takes care of A, Q and, Z.
>>107053463I hate with passion all the morons who came up with the ISO crap, is so stupid.
>>107052592Omfg pressing Z does not move me forward ;-;
>>107052294I have pretty small hands and have no trouble doing CTRL+Z on my German keyboard.How fucking fatwristed are you American tubs of lard? Can’t even stretch your sausage fingers? How do you type a capital Y?
>>107070722It's the deformed mutt claws that can't reach keys. That's why they need a long Shift key as well, instead of having two keys there. I have one half a keyboard for gaming that came with a long Shift and it's worn out from one side to be all shiny while the other end of it is unused. I clearly don't need it to be long. Having two keys AND a big fat Enter that you can find even with your eyes closed is infinitely superior to ANSI.
>>107070765Fucking goblins. No wonder they look up to a fat fuck like trump
>>107052294Russia wins again.
>>107071074>again
>>107071074>againWhat did he mean by this?
>>107052294>undo keyIrrelevant. Germans don't make mistakes (immigration, nuclear energy, enslavement by jews) they can undo
>>107052294Another reason cmd+key is better than ctrl+key
dvorak chads WW@?
>>107072879
>>107052294Most Linux users don't know this, but the reason you suspend terminal applications with Ctrl+C is because a break is when you have (C)urrywurst with STRoGanoff.
>>107053473Vi shows a better way, emacs has several better ways and Plan 9's rio/acme provides another interesting paradigm. None of these systems are widespread enough that you could do your entire computing workflow inside that system (emacs comes somewhat close, plan 9 lacks meaningful software) so you'll always be fighting yourself as you're forced to switch to CUI for a few apps a day. It's more fruitful to just git gud with CUI and not look retarded whenever you're away from your customized personal goonstation
>>107071479>>107072261Surf's up.
>>107074260I'll believe it when I see it.
>>107074260>Surf's up.>>>/mlp/42627276
>>107074260If you think about it it's all so silly how humanity simply can't get along. It's all so pathetic and smallbrained.
>>107070052I am curious. How often is this an issue?I've had a debate on Reddit about using local layout configs for game input being a bad idea exactly for this reason, but the retards wouldn't listen.
>>107054405>wastes too much space>literally has the same number of keys on that side>has more keys overall
>>107065994The brackets placement on Nordic layouts is cancerous.
