>>107058430
AV1 has now achieved 2 things:
Better compression than x264 slow
Faster encode speed than x264 slow

Also it achieves them at the exact same time which is batshit crazy when you think about it because all it really had to do was encode faster than x265.

https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106327782

>>107058468
wait wait wait. on software alone, right?

>>107058490
Yup, it's ogre for x264. It was ogre for x265 since its inception due to dogshit slow encode times anyway.

I use hardware h265 and h264 encoders because I am not an autistic incel that still software encodes chinese cartoons.

>>107058513
Just admit you bought a dual-core Pentium with your RTX 4080 and hate software encoding because you make terrible purchase decisions.

>>107058430
Spoonfeed me please.
Where is my AV2 preset in Handbrake? Where is my AV2 preset in OBS? Where is my AV2 preset in Kdenlive? Can I use this in Loonix? Is this Open Sauce? Can my AMD 6000 Work with it? Can my RTX 2000 series Work with it? Please anon help me please

>>107058468
still a complete failure

>>107058430
AV1 has no hardware decoding on my computer and is therefore worthless to me. gonna keep on using h264 and h265

>>107058572
The final specification was announced to be released by the end of this year. After that, it shouldn't take long for the first open source software encoders and decoders to be released, but it will take a while (years) for them to become optimized enough to be usable and make their way into commonly used applications (especially if you're not using bleeding edge releases).
>Where is my AV2 preset in Handbrake? Where is my AV2 preset in OBS? Where is my AV2 preset in Kdenlive?
Wait. It'll come, eventually.
>Can I use this in Loonix?
Not yet. Eventually, yes.
>Is this Open Sauce?
It's an open standard and there will be open source implementations (encoder, decoder).
>Can my AMD 6000 Work with it? Can my RTX 2000 series Work with it?
No. Hardware decoding and encoding will require new hardware.

jpeg
mp3
h264

let me guess, you need more.

>>107061018
png and flac, but yeah.

>>107058430
>GPUs have had thousands of shader units for 10+ years
>video decoders still fall back to CPU without "supported hardware"
Seems like a scam desu

Imagine someone so upset h265 is outdated and beaten by AV1, that they feel the need to troll on behalf of the fucking MPEG consortium.

Imagine someone mistaken the fact developers are working on a more advanced form of AV1 to be used in the future for higher resolutions than 4K as anything but awesome. The state of /g/

>>107061018
Jpeg
Mp3
Mpeg

Oh but wait you need more right

>>107061138
AMD cards have a recurring bug that they have to keep fixing where if you use GPGPU work + hardware video decoding, the cards lock up. It was a big issue on the Terascale cards, it was an issue on Vegas, I didn't pay attention if GCN ever had it. RDNA should not have it.

>>107061138
iirc lavfilters was able to use gpu shaders to assist with h265 decoding when proper hw-decoding wasn't widespread yet.
problem is it doesn't help that much.

As someone who's messed with Video/audio compression since 2000 I gotta say I'm sick of the following shit:

Video encoders are never really done, they often contain major performance improvements and quality improvements for the first 1-2 years, for several years just obscure bugfixes that affected .001% of users. Then they fade into obscurity and there's 0 chance of any new bugs getting fixed or features added. The autists who owned that block disappear into the ether. New processor and extensions? 1% performance improvement. 6 years later? Oh hi I finally got around to optimizing that new extension... 14% improvement. The changelogs always gloss over stuff that clearly represented months of heavy work in high order mathematics, then list 3 bug fixes that an average high schooler CS student wouldn't have made.

Real time GPU assisted encoding is always like 1/3 the video quality you can manage with a proper double pass encoder. The only way around it is to crank up the bitrate to obscene levels. Which kinda kills the whole point of video compression in the storage context.

There's also NEVER a developer page explaining what each setting does and which ones to pay attention to with with X type of media.

Finally when the FUCK are video encoders going to support starting/stopping/resuming encoding as a standard feature?

>>107059455
Thank you anon

>>107061313
>Finally when the FUCK are video encoders going to support starting/stopping/resuming encoding as a standard feature?
just buy better and faster hardware

>>107058430
AV2 will still massively benefit from AV1 hardware they didn't change the algorithms just the efficiency retard

>>107061178
AVIF
OPUS
AV1

I do not need more

>>107061704
JXL
OPUS
AV1

none of you retards got it right

>>107062872
>JewXL
>supported by... only Apple
lol

>>107063790
>100% royalty free and open source
>jew
retard.
>only apple
windows also has native support for it now.
h264/av1/avif and all other formats are also supported by apple so is pretty much every format jewish? like what the fuck is your thought process even

>>107058502
h265 files are half the size when I run videos through both h264 and h265 encode. No difference in quality. I'm happy with it and it's well supported by newer devices.

How does encoding work why do you say people need new hardware, isn't encoding in AV2 just an an upgrade?

>>107058430
>YOUR AV1 HARDWARE
Just use software decode you dumb faggot.

>>107061161
>Imagine someone so upset h265 is outdated and beaten by AV1
Lol pirates still use x265 over AV1

>>107065269
FFmpeg -hwaccel "auto", pretty good.

Daily reminder x264 will be completely unrestricted by patents in the whole word in a few years. The anti-264 astroturfing campaign is cringe af.

>>107065207
software encoding/decoding can be done on any general purpose cpu, but is slow
hardware encoding/decoding can only be done on hardware that has a dedicated ASIC chip that's designed to take care of the task of encoding/decoding that codec specifically.
since modern codecs such as AV1 are very complex, decoding/encoding in software is either laggy or just uses a lot of power (not good for mobile devices running on battery)
so it's "just an upgrade" when it comes to software enc/dec" but you need new hardware in the case of hardware enc/dec, you cannot just reuse an av1 encoder for av2.

>>107058430
see you in 10 years when they have the first-hw-accelerator decoder

>>107065275
...that literally just uses the default encoder (x264), it's only an input option so it only applies to the decoding phase
...what the fuck did you mean by this?

>>107065269
You're not on the right trackers then.

>>107065421
>You're not on the right trackers then.
All the top trackers ban AV1
Only public and shitty private ones allow AV1 because it is not an archival codec.

>>107065439
>because it is not an archival codec
there's no reason why av1 couldn't be classified as an archival codec if h264/h265 is.
like, neither of these codecs is meant for archival, stuff like ffv1 is, so... ?
>inb4 they mean support for av1 could die out
that's very very unlikely to happen at this point, especially now that most new devices come with decoding and even encoding hardware for it, even a total failure like vp8 has still plenty of support, av1 will stay relevant for decades.

>>107065462
>there's no reason why av1 couldn't be classified as an archival codec if h264/h265 is.
It is. AV1 is for streaming. h264/5 is for discs. Why don't you know this?

well, speaking of
how's the single-threaded decode performance of reference AOM now?
I remember something as busy as REDLINE choked bone stock MPV

>>107065358
>confusing H.264 and x264
ngmi

>>107061704
this fixes the multimedia question. we can move onto other things.

>>107065358
>Daily reminder x264 will be completely unrestricted by patents
That's h264. x264 is totally free.

>>107058430
There won't be a hardware decoder / encoder available for a good couple of years anyway so AV1 is not dead yet.

>>107065358
It's okay, they still have h.265 and VVC (lmao, at how irrelevant VVC is though). They'll start crying as soon as the patents for h.265 expire and they've failed to come up with anything to compete with AV1 and AV2.

>>107065658
>AV1 is not dead yet.
It was never a thing. Forced upon you by google to save money on their Youtube bandwidth. Nobody uses it for piracy, or anything else but Youtube and Twitch for low-bandwidth video.

>>107065799
What do you mean? I see loads of AV1 encodings used for pirate media. Pirates are probably one of its biggest users because you can get really high quality encodes for less space.

>>107065812
>I see loads of AV1 encodings used for pirate media
completely overshadowed by x265 and x264
it's used only by a handful of pirates who obsess over the latest codecs.

>>107065123
JewXL is not 100% royalty free and open source. There are pending patent issues. Go look it up right NOW

>>107058468
Only thing that matters is decode speed.
For every time it’s encoded, it’s decoded a billion times (at least in Netflix and Youtube-like use-cases).
I think they’re retarded.

>>107065358
Nobody cares about your deprecated codec tho

>>107065846
>The codec which has existed since forever is used more
No shit. You won't suddenly change all of those old encodes to be AV1 overnight. I see loads of AV1 encodes for new stuff though.

>>107065402
it only took like two years with av1
retard

>>107065531
>h264/h265 is an archival codec because it is used in discs
completely meaningless statement.

>>107065654
>x264 is totally free
but the video stream it produces is not, or at least, not yet, in most of the world

>>107066271
In most of the developed world it is but unfortunately America exists.

>>107066069
>There are pending patent issues.
so... patent trolls?
every format has that, anybody can file a patent/copyright claim for something, so following your logic nothing is royalty free.
these claims are all invalid and meaningless.

>>107066278
So you didn't look it up

>>107066358
>you didn't prove my claim
literally give us the source retard

>>107066261
>completely meaningless statement.
it's not. AV1 is not meant for encoding high quality content. it's meant for streaming for low-bandwidth users.

>>107058430
>AV1 WAS A FAILURE
we know

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>>107066874
>>107068175
see >>107058468

Can't you retards at least attempt to skim the thread before vomiting diarrhea from your mouth.

>>107068799
nobody cares what some rando on /g/ claims

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>>107069164
>bumping the thread

>>107069220
deal with it.

>>107069164
We salute the rank not the man.

I don't really care about formats as long as I can encode my HDR images.

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>>107058430
>h264 for 1080p
>h265 for 4k
>h266 for 8k
simple as
>mfw I disable av1 on yt because it's blurrier than vp9

>>107058430
Still gonna use h264. Cope and seethe.

>>107058430
>HARDWARE
the HARDWARE is same
they sell drivers

>>107058468
>Faster encode speed than x264 slow
I still encode x264 for compatibility purposes
I think is bs but I'll try.

>>107070225
you can disable AV1 on youtube?

>>107070225
youtube encodes are trash . an now they are adding AI upscales to many videos.

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I archive youtube video in AV1
>b-b-b-but
I don't care, it looks best

>>107058468
Why are you lying?
Encoding x264 is ten times faster here than AV1 slop.

Even the "better compression" is completely subjective, because AV1 has some inbuilt noise filter that makes everything soulless and destroys details. Think about youtube slop.

>>107070870
I archive youtube videos in 640p, because their quality is already atrocious anyway.
Might as well save even more space and go lower.
Especially when its some news article or podcast.

>>107070886
You're replying to the wrong posts, that anon linked to a video encoding test proving x264 slow encodes forever compared to svt-av1 preset 6.

>>107058430
It's only going to happen in hardware in two years minimum so idk why you're waiting

>>107058430
>YOUR AV1 HARDWARE
my what?

Hardware acceleration zealots BTFO.
Embrace AVX512.

>>107071966
You don't have at least a 30 series GPU or RDNA (RX 6000 series) GPU for decoding? Are you some sort of poor fag?
The generation after introduced encoding support too.

I transcoded my x264 files to AV1, and now they look terrible. What a useless piece of technology.

>>107072944
>confusing H.264 and x264
ngmi

Can anyone comment on AV1 hardware decode on recent Apple hardware (think it started with the M3)?

Fundamentally no technology ever catches on until and unless Apple backs it. Has been the case for 30 years at least.

>>107058490
a 9800x3d can do realtime 8K (30fps) encoding on software alone with SVT-AV1.
I usually do 1080p movies at speed 7 and a few other parameters that drop speed and get around 300+ fps. Just dedicate one core for speed 8 preset without parameters and you can do 30fps realtime streaming.

>>107073308
latest appleshit decodes and encodes av1 just fine. its heavily used for game streaming since 2020-2021 like snapdragon.

>>107058468
Doesnt matter when its a pain in the ass to decode
At least VP9 was faster than AVC to decode
Also
>x264
The codec is AVC (sometimes called H264) x264 is only one of the many AVC encoders out there

>>107074224
>VP9 was faster than AVC to decode
source: you made it the fuck up

>>107070265
>Still gonna use h264. Cope and seethe.
long as you dont use shitty AV1, good!

>>107058430
>low bitrate shit

not on my machine thanks, I like my encodes transparent.

>>107062872
>none of you retards got it right
>no FLAC in your list
heh

>Imagine paying for AV1 hardware when AV2 is about to replace it, kek!

VVC was released in 2020, no hardware though (aside from a few literally nobody cares intel mobile chips). Don’t expect AV2 hw before 2029

all av1 encodes look like trash. literally a codec built for ipads

>>107075368
>av1_nvenc
shit encoder

fucking niggers,i am never using this AV shit 1 or 2 it doesnt matter

>>107061313
>Finally when the FUCK are video encoders going to support starting/stopping/resuming encoding as a standard feature?
i use handbrake and it can do that

>>107075002
we are obviously talking about efficient lossy formats here.
there's no reason to use flac for actual playback just like there's no reason to use FFV1 for regular video storage, no amount of audiophoolery is gonna change that

>>107075368
>just buy an ngreedia gpu so you can use their shitty encoder which cheats at vmaf and barely uses 10% of the available av1 functions so that it doesn't even outperform x264 veryslow defeating the whole point of using a more modern codec
kys jewish retard
>>107075417
>sets same quality target for both encodes
>they look the same
cool, let me guess, nvenc is 15 times bigger than p7 svt av1

>>107075441
good

>>107065439
>All the top trackers ban AV1
>Only public and shitty private ones allow AV1 because it is not an archival codec.
No they don't, stop lying

>>107075763
>me: vmaf doesn't matter if filesize is 10x bigger
>you: yeah give me your command and i'll compare vmaf
...of course a novideo shill fails at basic reading comprehension

>>107076874
>No they don't, stop lying
Name a top tracker that doesn't ban AV1.
I'll wait

>>107076874
Still waiting

>>107077115
>>107078696
your question is loaded, any answer someone gives will just be met by "that's not a top tracker", as you haven't defined what a top tracker is

>>107070891
640post doesn't exist, there is only 240p, 360p, 480p and 720p

>>107077115
Nyaa

>>107072824
huh? how and what do you mean? does avx512 have anything with video en/decoding?

>>107078721
You know what a top tracker is. Its the ones that are hardest to join and people pay the most to buy an invite.

Too many shitty AV1 encoders.

>>107078755
>Nyaa
>kids cartoons
Grow up. Get a job. Move out.

>>107065439
>>107077115
>>107078783
Why do retards always refer to private tracker niggers as some kind of authority on codecs? They are no more than dumb hobbyists circlejerking as professionals. They know fuck all.

>>107065531
>X is for streaming, Y is for streaming from discs
retard

>>107065439
>archival codec

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>>107058430
>AV1 WAS A FAILURE
works on my machine

>>107078783
oh right, the snobby ones

>>107078778
AVX512 (what svt-av1 primarily uses) has a potential ~200% performance advantage over AVX2 (what x264 primarily uses).

Encoding AV1 video is now faster than encoding H264 video as shown in >>107058468

And that's WITHOUT avx512.

>>107081047
Aka the best

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>>107058531
>Just admit you bought a dual-core Pentium with your RTX 4080 and hate software encoding because you make terrible purchase decisions.
Not him but I feel sniped kek. It seemed like a good idea at the time

I wonder how much of the software decoder work will transfer to AV2? We might just get up and running much faster than usually.

>>107081994
It will be a do-over

>>107058430
Av1 is amazing, quite excited for av2.

>>107073315
What a load of horseshit. I have a 7950 and can't get do 4k 10bit.... Oh speed 7, sure if you want garbage quality lol. Speed 7 won't compare to 264, sure 265, but don't go saying 264. Speed 3 or bust. Which is wayyyy slower than realtime.

>>107085394
Doesn't 10-bit katana slice speed in half? Quality improvement is nice but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

>>107084044
Surely AV2 is just major iteration on AV1, there's no fucking way they're starting from scratch nigga