>>107061482
>How do we make BSD more accessible for zoomers? the userbase is rapidly aging or even dying.
- Train an localLLM on all the documentation of freeBSD.
- Mesa
- good KDE plasma support.
That's all I need as FreeBSD has this thing named linuxlator.

1:Program support
2: functional and good drivers
3: a use case

people only go to other operating systems when there is a use for it. windows because its easy,linux because its lightweight. bsd just doesnt have major advantages over windows,linux and macos + barely any software support

>>107061482
Linux won!!! #1
BSD is still in 2nd place and thats not bad

>>107061482
there is only so much you can do without changing the project.

what are you supposed to do anyway? trying to convince zoomers of something is fucking pointless, half of them are retarded and half are stubborn, and all are stubbornly retarded.
so, what do you want to do?
freebsd is not a gaming platform.
it could be, but its not.

just stay true to your unix roots and there will always be a use case for freebsd.

but if you want to attract more people (not only, zoomers, old people too), they need hardware support and software support.

its the same thing linux struggled with in the past but is finally starting to overcome.
but then, we also have the GPL.
you still have a cuck license so you're basically dependent on the goodwill of a few programmers.

on linux the corpos literally work for the kernel thanks to gpl.
i'm not starting a license war in this thread but its feckin' obvious at this point.

>>107061482
also, bsd is the closest candidate to retain any dissatisfied linux users inside the *nix world of which there is a growing number.

>>107061482
I don't want my systems to change just so that some zoombies *maybe* will watch tiktoks on BSD instead of whatever they used before.

>>107061683
there already is a gaming OS with freebsd. but due to the cuck license they wont contribute anything back.

>>107061888
i know, playstation or what not.

i have a few questions to bsd experts,
what prevents BSD from re-licensing? is it even possible? is there some license commitee? who owns the trademark?

or is it a case of freebsd foundation and all the developers wanting to work using support contracts with the big corpos?

where do they make their money? its support isnt it?

Make a riced up desktop and get tik tok influencers to promote it

They use phones and iPads, this is uneeded

>>107061888
i'm just trying to understand how freebsd profits. its obviously not from massive amounts of source code contributions
there has to be a reason why they prefer to have the BSD license all these years.
i hope they at least get some money out of it, giving paid support to companies.
you catch my drifterino? there has to exist some kind of incentive for this situation.

>>107061571
Lightweight? If installing hundreds of dependencies and updating every week is lightweight I don't know.

>>107061482
I'm interested, but I'm learning Loonix atm and I already gave up on certain windows stuff and I don't want to give even more stuff. Is gayming/steam on par with loonix? What about all the cool emulators? Local AI shit?

>>107061571
there are two reasons why linux is used everywhere.
1: its customizable as fuck. none other comes close.
2: it is a very mature and massively developed platform (thanks to the GPL license) so it just keeps attracting more and more developers because all developers profit from the work others that had to open source their changes.

when Steve Ballmer called linux a cancer he knew exactly how powerful this mix is and he was rightfully fearful of it as a true corpo monkey.

>>107061482
Pretty sure playstation runs on bsd

>>107062075
learn the basics of unix with linux and then you check out freebsd to see how different/similar they are.
in any case, pretty much everything you learn in linux will be transferrable to freebsd in one way or another.
you learn one you pretty much know how to operate all of them with plenty of differences in details of course. the names of things are different but the core philosophy is usually the same.

under the hood is a different matter, they are totally different projects on the kernel level. they have their own technologies etc. but the unix heritage is the common factor and the userland is extremely similar.
its like USA vs Canada.

>>107062131
So does Mac OS...

>>107062166
Thank you sensei. I will check it out in a VM soon!!!!!

>>107062186
Try out jails when you are at it. They are pretty nifty.

>>107062201
Sounds like flatseal permission managament

>>107061482
there's already a lot of zoomers into BSD, it'd be nice if more projects would be serious enough to even mention they support BSD or actually try and support BSD instead of only addressing corpo linux, macOS and windows and refusing contributions for other platforms

>>107062186
another thing which often comes up in discussions is the Cathedral and the Bazaar. a book by Eric Raymond.
where linux is the bazaar development model, a more open and noisy environment, things can change more often etc.
on the other end you have the cathedral and the bsds could be characterized like this. more exclusive model but also more stable and more conservative.
they are really complementary and they will continuously both benefit and suffer from their choice of model. nothing is perfect

>>107062284
>where linux is the bazaar development model
No, it isn't. Linus is at top, it's a Cathedral and if we talk about forks and other project are also Cathedrals when have a bird's eye view is a bazaar.
The whole thing created by Eric is out of date.

netbsd is pretty unique in attempting to provide unconditional support for old hardware. for hardware which there is almost never any productivity benefit from running or supporting.

they also provide pkgsrc which is a cross-unix build system. works on bsds, linux, solaris and more.

both of these objectives show signs of idealism, which is nice for a change in a world obsessed with productivity.

also the number of users correlates with the number of bug discoveries but this is not a problem considering the use case.
in linux, not having enough eyes is never an issue. however, the average users technical level is steadily declining as more people adopt linux. the number of developers also grows so its not an issue.

most things are really pretty organic. whatever alternative OS has the number of users it needs and the level of support from existing developers kind of balances out in the end.
smaller projects also tend to have a lower barrier of entry for contributions which is always helpful to keep things moving along.

>>107062330
>but muh linus and the corporations.
no one prevents anyone from forking stuff. and the kernel keeps growing all the time so its definitely not a cathedral which is strict and exclusive.

linux has become so fucking big that its impossible to impose too much strictness and that is why linus is always angry because he can't enforce his original vision whatever it was because there is just so much stuff going on.

they have enough work just keeping everything together.

>>107062075
I'd add here that depending on the distro you're using, going from Linux to BSD is actually pretty natural, Gentoo and Slackware are very close to how FreeBSD works, for example.
But get ready to read way more than you did while using Linux and if you weren't into compiling stuff from source, you will be.

>>107062062
They're alive because of their permissive license. Not may corpos want to share their code with the world. Hence many use it with contributing minimal amounts of money and code (just enough to keep them alive, for the free volunteered development). Apple is a famous example making a bare minimum donation while using BSD as a base for their MacOS

>>107062465
i hope they get paid enough at least

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>>107061482
let me gayme on it, let me use adobe products and let me browse le internet without much complication, that means easy accessibility when installing and configuring things.
the demon is cute

The answer is GhostBSD.

>>107061482
FreeBSD devs get the rope
They do not take user submitted bug reports
They're gonna die off because of this

>>107062115
> there are two reasons why linux is used everywhere.
I'll fix it for you
> unix "worse (multics) is better" changed the paradigm, moving big, costly workstations to general purpose, cheap computer on which you could install unix
> linus wrote a opensource unix clone
> in the same time, Stallman and Gnu-gang needed a kernel to develop their OS, no matter how shit it was
> freebsd went into some retarded legal issue with some proprietary OS I don't remember, freezing its adoption
> universities started using linux in their OS courses
> big corporations eventually started to adopt linux instead of fighting it, becoming share/stake holders exploiting GPL and establishing an oligopoly
> now there's no possible coming back since linux accumulated hundres of years of men-effort

Linux it's not mainstream for technical reasons, just because luck and timing and "politics"

Every turd can be made "good enough" with enough effort. This is the linux case study (the same applies for Microsoft and Intel, both due to IBM lack of foresight and underestimate of "worse is better" principle)

>>107062062
>. its obviously not from massive amounts of source code contributions
how can you be so sure about that? do you have any metrics?

>>107061482
As demonstrated by 4chan its better to be dead than infested with zoymers.

>>107061482
>How do we make BSD more accessible for zoomers?
why
>the userbase is rapidly aging or even dying
good, at some point there will be no one left to work for free for trillions dollar companies

>>107062465
>They're alive because of their permissive license
It's actually the opposite
Corporations don't use BSD sw because they can't benefit from GPL virus license. If Google started using eg Freebsd, they need to either
- hire big team of devs just to maintain/debug freebsd internally
- contribute back to original maintainers, allowing other people or smaller corporation to grow out of their contribution

With GPL instead they can
> have a standard implementation between big corporations (Oracle, Huawei, Google, Amazon,...) on which academia train devs for free
> they can "hijack" (dictate) the direction of the project
> they can exploit of independent or academia research on the kernel for free

>>107061482
kys troon
NIGGER

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>>107061482
pufferfish wit da big ass lip

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>>107061482
>>107067127
cuck license

>>107062131
It does, since PS4.

>>107067264
Cuck retard

>>107061482
I'm a zoomer and i use endeavour. no need for the shitty demon distro