The great debate edition.>Free beginner resources to get started with HTML, CSS and JShttps://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn - MDN is your best friend for fundamentalshttps://web.dev/learn/ - Guides by Google, you can also learn concepts like Accessibility, Responsive Design etchttps://eloquentjavascript.net/Eloquent_JavaScript.pdf - A modern introduction to JavaScripthttps://javascript.info/ - Quite a good JS tutorialhttps://flukeout.github.io/ - Learn CSS selectors in no timehttps://flexboxfroggy.com/ and https://cssgridgarden.com/ - Learn flex and grid in CSS>Resources for backend languageshttps://nodejs.org/en/learn/getting-started/introduction-to-nodejs - An intro to Node.jshttps://www.phptutorial.net - A PHP tutorialhttps://dev.java/learn/ - A Java tutorialhttps://rentry.org/htbby - Links for Python and Gohttps://quii.gitbook.io/learn-go-with-tests - Learn Go with Tests>Resources for miscellaneous areashttps://github.com/bradtraversy/design-resources-for-developers - List of design resourceshttps://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials - Usually the best guides for everything server related>Need help? Create an example and post the linkhttps://jsfiddle.net - if you need help with HTML/CSS/JShttps://3v4l.org - if you need help with PHP/HackLanghttps://codesandbox.io - if you need help with React/Angular/Vue/wdg/ may or may not welcome app development discussion. You can post and see what the response is.Some app technologies of course have overlap with web dev, like React Native, Electron, and Flutter.We have our own website: https://wdg-one.github.ioSubmit your project progress updates using this format in your posts, the scraper will pick it up::: my-project-title ::dev:: anontools:: PHP, MySQL, etc.link:: https://my.website.comrepo:: https://github.com/user/repoprogress:: Lorem ipsum dolor sit ametPrevious: >>106988821
>>107065449SQLite. The elephant if you need a proper server.
>>107065449>The great debate edition.not at all. stupid fucking nonsense to discuss
>>107065449SQLite is the fastest if you have mostly reads because you run it on the same server you have your app on.
>>107065529It's just an OP, don't take it so seriously you twat
>>107065798>its just what the basis of the thread will be about
>>107065449Do SQL injections still work in 2025?
>>107065822https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eRRab36XLI
>>107065861No because we have the power of AI now
>>107065822I have never seen a general that actually cared about the contents of the OP outside of like a handful of replies
>>107066547>>107065529I always though muh editions in OPs are cringe d e s u
>>107065529im just in a shitty mood sorry dudes going to touch grass
>>107066359what in the actual fuck
>>107068520It's current_year, that's how we do things now
>as he posts on 4chan>>107065449Even as security focused as you are, you will never get ahead of the Israel schizo need to control and subvert. Too many main sources of the internet are now backended by jews, unironically. It could be fixed over night, but there is literally nobody willing to do it. It's completely ruined due to complete governent/corporate subversion. This is not a meme and a very serious situation.
Is cloudflare > nginx > wireguard a good enough pipeline for safe public access to self-hosted services? I know I could probably throw fail2ban in there but, eh.
how is the sensible content (I don't mean CP) censorship scenario, is self-hosting the way, which countries, which are the fire-proof solutions if there are any?how does tor-sites hosting work, are there alternatives?
>>107066359The graphql at home
>>107070705Why do you need Wireguard? For my web app: I use Cloudflare for DNS and as a CDN, they proxy my server's IP and then I use Caddy on my server (VPS). Use a firewall on your server that shuts down all the ports you're not using. You only need port 80 (http), 443 (https), and 22 (ssh) open if you're running a web app.>I know I could probably throw fail2ban in there but, eh.Never a bad idea to add fail2ban but I don't think you need it if you have banned password logins.
>>107071301Exactly what I thought reading that lol.
>>107071483>>107070705nta, what would be a cool non cloudflare ddos protection strategy?
>>107071560>>107071483>>107070705by that I mean, is DIY even possible?
>>107071035Only host SFW content and you'll be fine. That's my approach anyway. I can't be bothered with headaches of trying to fit into all the laws
>>107071902I don't plan to host none of that, but it strikes my curiosity, how do torrent sites do it for example?
>>107072325Maybe something like The Pirate Bay hosts on their own servers, or servers in a country with lax laws. And I guess they probably don't use stuff like Cloudflare which might cancel their service.
>>107073116>in a country with lax lawssomebody knows which countries might those be?
>>107073125swiss or japan maybe?or thirdie countries that dgaf idk
>>107073596>japan>lax on torrentingtop kek
brehs, what do you think about aws and azure BTFOening?I think something is fishy, not sure if it is china or both companies fucking with one another, but I sense a great dark power here
>>107075332>I sense a great dark power hereYeah it's called shitty vibe coders who blagged their way into a job and now they've pushed shitty code to main which brought down a bunch of shitAlso it's called greedy billionaires laying off experienced staff who would have kept things running:>It is a fact that there have been 27,000+ Amazonians impacted by layoffs between 2022 and 2024, continuing into 2025... it seems that the talent who understood the deep failure modes is gone.https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/20/aws_outage_amazon_brain_drain_corey_quinn/
>>107075650that doesn't explain aws + azure going down in a week's distance, that's naive
>>107075657I guess it could be China hacking everybody, or it could just be a coincidence that they both had problems within a pretty short space of time
Do you use curl?
>>107075332>brehs, what do you think about aws and azure BTFOening?Not my problem.
>>107075332>but I sense a great dark power hereyeah, jeets
Bros I fell for the SSR meme, but what is the best way to build a CSR app without react? Is sveltekit really the best?
>>107077558Yes I've been using it to test my back-ends. I tried Postman for a while but then I decided I fucking hate bloated Electron apps
hi, guysi haven't posted here in years (that's what it feels like, i'm always on /a/)hows your webdev journey going? i started with, and am still doing nextjs for workwhen i was learning in these threads, typescript and tailwind css where so hated by some of you anons. i wonder if opinions have changed... since you know, it's clear by now that both of them woni got reminded of these threads because recently i had a discussion of arrow functions with a coworker, and remembered that i didn't understand why ppl were using them so much and in the end an anon here made me join their () => {} cult
>>107080085I ended up working with Rails at a company I liked but>RailsHowever, I've slowly grown to like it as a "legacy thing that just werks", and I think the new SSR stuff they've added is cool and I don't have to use vercel cancer
>>107065449Is C# really commonly used in Backend or is R*ddit lying to me?
>>107080125trust nobody, fetch statistics
If I pay $6.60 a month for a VPS, is that a reasonable price? I hate spending unnecessary money but I want to host a couple of web apps so employers can see them. Free tiers for hosting back-ends are too shit for this purpose I think.
>>107080125Yes, it's common. C# is used a lot by corpos, but I don't think many new backends are built in C#. Java, C#, and Go are used a lot and JS/TS of course.>>107080268That's not a bad price. Hetzner tend to be the cheapest when it comes to a VPS.
>>107080125yes but it's the most miserable corposlop work imaginable. somehow worse than java with spring
>>107078606>CSR app without react?Ripple is the current SOTA framework but very new. I'd pick it for personal projects.For work i'd chose solidjs but keep the signals usage to a minimum
>>107065449Would learning ClojureScript help me become a better JS dev?
>>107080268I'm paying âŹ4.5 a month for a VPS on hetznerAnd hosting a static page on it, the server is pretty much unused so I could potentially host even more on it. But I don't want it to add other apps to it because of security It's possible to find even cheaper VPS
What IDE are you guys using?I had been using VS Code with neovim and it was enough for me, but then at work I started using WebStormAnd after trying to come back to VS Code it was a buggy mess, the font sometimes had artifacts (probably because of nvim), and stuff like auto-imports didn't detect JS files, and other stuff. So I went back to WebStorm at work to be more productive because it just worksBut, WebStorm is for *Script only, and it doesn't sync nicely between devices. So I'm thinking to change the IDEBut I hate all of these AI IDEsI'm thinking to maybe just use nvim and terminal, but this might be too low level. Some built-in features are better for getting shit done.
>>107083083I use VSCode because I really hate the Jetbrains retardation where you need a separate IDE for every language (and you have to pay for it too).Sadly, there are some languages like C# which practically don't have VSCode support. It is extremely retarded.
>>107083878>Sadly, there are some languages like C# which practically don't have VSCode support.Visual Studio Code (not VS Code) is what we used in a course I took
>>107083900* Visual Studio, idk, it was like VS Code, from ms, similar logo even but it was an IDE and would fit perfectly into .NET, it'd take a good amount of time to load though, not sure what we did with the license though, we didn't pay for anything
>>107083083Sublime Text because it's lightweight on my shitty computer and I can install language servers to give me nearly equivalent functionality to VS Code>>107083878Microsoft has a C# extension for VS Code I think?>>107083900>Visual Studio Code (not VS Code) is what we used in a course I tookI'm pretty sure he means Visual Studio Code which people often call VS Code for short
>>107083923>m pretty sure he means Visual Studio Code>>107083909>>107083900>>107083878just googled it https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/it's actually visual studio
>>107083900You mean Visual Studio (and not Visual Studio Code, i.e. VSCode).>>107083923Microsoft intentionally made C# support for VSCode extremely bad so people would be forced to pay for VS. And then they released a new more powerful C# extension (which also sucks from what I heard) and licensed it so you would need a Visual Studio license to actually use it.They are absolutely retarded. First they released C#, a good language, but locked the entire ecosystem to fucking Windows, so everybody in the world used Java instead. Then they released DotNet Core, but with no long term support for the framework (so if anybody wants that, they're better off using Java). It feels like they're compromising the language on purpose.
>>107083955>It feels like they're compromising the language on purpose.the aim of the language is to drive windows adoption. that's it
>>107084263nta, makes perfect sense 2bh
>>107084263>the aim of the language is to drive windows adoption. that's itI actually disagree. The past 25 years has proven there is literally nothing they can do to C# that would drive Windows adoption. That's' why they adopted dotnet core, because they knew pursuing the Windows-only model is futile and doesn't help Windows at all.Hell, they are alienating even more people with Windows since they fucked it all up with Windows 11. They lost more customers than they could have ever hoped to gained with C#.
>>107081947it's a great way to learn functional programming, although I found the JVM/backend version of clojure more comfortable to use
>>107083939Makes sense>>107083955>Microsoft intentionally made C# support for VSCode extremely bad so people would be forced to pay for VS. And then they released a new more powerful C# extension (which also sucks from what I heard) and licensed it so you would need a Visual Studio license to actually use it.Interesting. Maybe my distrust of Microshit is well placed
>>107081670>ripple>solidjsWhat? No, this is retarded. These 2 are extremely new and don't offer anything good to choose over something like React or Vue.
>>107083955Oracle has locked down Java too though. Go is the most open source of all the languages even though Google is backing it.
>>107085076>>107086643I'm literally even more wary of O****e (redacted for legal reasons) than Microsoft, it's just that they used to offer Java as a more open ecosystem.>locked down Java tooWhat happened to it? I don't know how it is licensed now.
>>107071567This is part of why I was thinking cloudflare -> VPS running nginx to wireguard -> home server. Better off never exposing my home IP. Won't matter if I bother to subnet my home network one day. Maybe that'll be next, after my first NAS. Thinking pi's for both NAS and router to subnet.
>>107066359Desire to commit violence intensifies.
>>107066359Big balls
>>107086505>ReactNot bad but he asked not react>VueNo thanks. Its chinese. Also>one component per file>v-ifLol @vuetards
>>107086816You can just cloudflared on your home server to nginxNo need for VPS
>>107081947Are you a homosexual man?
I don't get ORMs
>>107087774Sadly cloudflared doesn't handle UDP connections. Unfortunately I need this for certain vidya game servers
how do I get good at POOP PHP?my day job consists of writing modules that are in an ancient php god knows what version to php7.4? I need to gtfo of this hell.
I'm having to learn sysadmin shit just to deploy my shitty Laravel app. Fuck my life
>>107090623be happy you get the chance to learn more
>>107091590I guess. Maybe this knowledge will be useful in the future.
Tell me /wdg/, do you deploy your back-ends on:1. Something like Heroku (very easy, just push your code and it does practically everything for you) 2. VPS (more work, have to set up Linux, harden it with a firewall etc)
>>107092148I use a Hetzner VPS, running Ubuntu LTS. I run Caddy on it and have a firewall (the one Hetzner provides). Only opening the ports that are used (80, 443, and 22). I use Cloudflare for DNS (but you can also use Hetzner for DNS if you want to), DDos protection, and to hide my servers IP address. It's not that hard to manage a VPS and it's evergreen knowledge. Here is a good playlist of videos that will teach you the basics:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLnpHn493BHHAxTeLNUZEDLYc8uUwqGXa
>>107065449I have a MVVM MAUI app (formerly xamarin) that reads data from some database tables and displays the data in grids. Am I retarded for wanting to use blazor WebAssembly? Should I just use react instead? I worked with react once and I hated managing the gorillions of npm packages that came with a template. Blazor seems to require less third party packages and supports MVVM albeit not by default. I imagine with blazor I would have an easier time reusing the existing backend code.
>>107092212Nice. Something I wondered about a setup like this is that if someone navigates straight to your VPS's IP address, does that mean they can bypass Cloudflare's DDOS protection? I guess you can set up your VPS to only respond to requests coming through Cloudflare?
>>107080125It's primarily used by old established corpos which have decades old projects that were built by tech bros who overinvested into the Microsoft ecosystem.
>>107092148Never liked Heroku or similar services except to test a very small bit of code on mobile when I'm away from any sort of normal computer. The tradeoffs are so significant I really cannot fathom using these services long-term.Like, all you do is launch your script with pm2 and it's alive on your machine. What setup is there besides security things like disabling root and pw login, adding ssh keys and changing the ssh port?Actually if it isn't even something the public needs to interact with and doesn't consume large swaths of bandwidth, why even bother doing more than running it locally / WSL2 (if winfag)?
>>107092148I remember the firewall was a bitch in local even
>>107092404why not just use vanilla js, seems like ur trying ro do something so simple that you'd only need to fetch then re-format (glorified for loop), if thus is for learning (for a job), sure, go with react, if it's for fun, whatever you like, and if it's srs bsns then I can't give advice
>>107080085>tailwind css>wonTypescript definitely did but tailwind did not, no way. you'll just have to get over that or it'll be your jQuery
>>107080085>() => {}FĂ. Seriously. For anonymous callback functions in map, sort? OK. For anything else? Hell no. The function keyword is there. It's readable. There is no reason to mix up variables, expressions and function definitions.>TS wonNot really. It's a good linter, but in reality many big problems in the last few years have gone back to JS and instead write their types in JSDoc. TS has many shortcomings and it has by no means "won".>tailwind wonWithin that very certain group of coding influencers who also tell you that you need an cloud auth provider, cloud storage, a cloud database, a SSR meta-meta-framework and AI in your fucking 50 users project - YES, there it has won.
>>107092687I'm currently trying to deploy a Laravel app and I'm having to set folder permissions and configure Nginx. Hopefully it will be fine. I'm sure Heroku would be easier but it costs more so fuck them.
>>107092404With we assembly you can't reuse your backend code in the WASM app, you still have to create a layer for data access (rest, whatever), the frontend MAUI code is also not compatible with blazor at all, the syntax is too differnet.You could use blazor server (websockets) for that, honestly I do not advise it, it's very wonky and poorly documented, and does not work well with mobile.My advice is to ditch blazor completely, it's honestly not good and probably a waste of your time, development is hard on anything non trivial, performance is suboptimal in all render modes .Either keep on going with maui, or if you need a web app and you like MVVM use a lightweight Js framework like Vue or whatever, you still have to create rest layer tho (honestly you should have that in your maui app too).
>tailwindthe mark of the ultimate midwit webshitter
>>107092490>if someone navigates straight to your VPS's IP address, does that mean they can bypass Cloudflare's DDOS protection?Yes, but I should change that actually. I think you can change it by configuring it so that the firewall only lets through connections from Cloudflare's IP ranges. My IP address is currently hidden by Cloudflare though so you can't see it by just navigating to the website (using the domain).
>>107094307I'll add this: I guess I would have to leave port 22 open because I don't have a static IP at home. And I need to be able to ssh into the server.
>>107093891>midwit webshittersounds like someone is projecting
>>107094307>>107094344Interesting. Today I got my shitty Laravel app running on a Raspberry Pi I have, with Nginx. I was thinking of just using Cloudflare Tunnel to connect this Pi to the internet, since that's supposed to be safe and secure. But then I get paranoid about some 1337 hacker breaking through Cloudflare Tunnel and getting access to my home network, so maybe I should just run my stuff on a VPS instead.
>>107081947Learning ClojureScript can definitely help you become a better JavaScript developer, especially in the following ways:- Functional programming concepts: ClojureScript emphasizes immutability, pure functions, and higher-order functions â all of which are increasingly relevant in modern JavaScript (especially with libraries like React or Redux).- Deeper understanding of abstractions: ClojureScript encourages thinking in terms of data transformations and declarative programming, which can improve your ability to write clean, maintainable JavaScript.- Improved code structure: Writing in ClojureScript often leads to more concise and expressive code, which can influence how you structure your JavaScript projects.If you're interested in exploring functional programming or want to approach JavaScript from a different perspective, ClojureScript is a great tool to learn.Here's an intro video to Clojure: https://youtube.com/watch?v=C-kF25fWTO8And here's an interactive tutorial:https://www.maria.cloud/intro
>>107081947Why would learning a different language, with a different approach to things, with a completely different syntax, make you a better JS programmer?
>>107065449Does any one have any good resources on planning or designing the layout of a website? I feel like a retard, I can code, I can program but somehow visualizing stuff is hard for me regarding ux and things like that.would appreaciate a lot any guidance or maybe rules to follow
>>107095230You can do functional programming in JS (especially if you import some lib with persistent data structures), it's just that it's not the default way to do stuff, so it's hard to force yourself to learn it when in JS. In an FP lang it's reversed, you can write imperative Haskell or Clojure if you put your mind to it, but the language pushes you towards FP.On a related note I'm a better anything-programmer due to learning assembly. I now have a much more intuitive sense of what kind of operations are computationally intensive and which can be done by the cpu very quickly.
>>107095247one thing that really helped me was making really basic sketches of the "site" and its navigation, when I say really basic I mean fucking sketches, like squares with an x representing pictures, squares representing divs/sections and lines representing textwhen you lay down the "design" of the site like that, you start to ask yourself questions, that you end up answering, it's miles better to design a site like that because the cost of re-factoring the design is 0, not only that it'll help you polish the overall website look, flow, interaction, design, and even features, etc.after that you do a more plished sketch, pictures are now pictures, there's an attempt at a logo and even color palette, but nothing too polished, this might reveal other problems, problems like t he color palette, more graphical problems, like this color looks bad here, this color makes the logo look shit, etc.and after that you do the "whatever the name was" which is the graphic design final, which will lead the CSS/HTML look of the pageoff course this is a costly process specially in time, if you can't afford that, just copy shit that looks good from other sites, design proficiency isn't going to come to you in a dayhere's some copypasta sources (in next post just so it fits the char limit):
>>107095421>>107095247/*design*/https://medium.com/refactoring-ui/7-practical-tips-for-cheating-at-design-40c736799886/*desing inspiration web*/https://dribbble.com/https://www.uplabs.com/https://www.behance.net/http://www.goodweb.design/https://onepagelove.com/https://www.awwwards.com/https://medium.com/refactoring-ui/7-practical-tips-for-cheating-at-design-40c736799886https://codepen.io/nicolaspavlotsky/full/ZJPXgyhttps://hype4.academy/articles/design/glassmorphism-in-user-interfaces/* fonts */https://fontpair.co//* design theory */https://www.ibm.com/design/language/illustration/flat-style/design/https://www.ibm.com/design/language//* hosts refactoring UI pdf */https://z-lib.org/ /* design from refactor ui dude */https://twitter.com/i/events/880688233641848832?lang=frhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z9rrryIOC4 [Embed]https://gofile.io/d/KCQMw2
>>107095421>>107095447Thanks anon, appreciate it a lot, God bless
>>107095664check figma, or adobe illustrator it might help elaborating the sketches, and keep in mind that not everyone is a christian and some might dislike it even, specially in 4chan
The year is 2045. The entire software ecosystem lives under JAVASCRIPT rule.All C programmers are sissified. Compiler users live to serve JAVASCRIPT KINGS in vast reproduction facilities.Welcome to software's JAVASCRIPT FUTURE.Linus Torvalds remembers life before the revolution â before the Vercel-issued hormones, the sissy wigs, frilly lingerie, and mandatory chastity.He lives on the war-torn outskirts of New V8, where he hides his beautiful blonde step-sister Ada from the clutches of the brutal New JavaScript army.As musclebound JavaScript soldiers prowl the internet searching for fertile C devs, Linus will stop at nothing to protect sweet Ada's purity.In his pink-and-blue wig, flirty sissy skirt, and fishnet stockings, Linus gives his tender white body to a gang of pitiless JavaScript alpha soldiers: the ultimate act of courage and sacrifice.But is sissy Linus prepared for the overwhelming demonstration of power and domination? The encounter brings him face-to-face with his worst fears... and his most unspeakable sissy fantasies.
>>107096162uhm sweaty javascript is a compiled language in 2k25 and it will be even worse in 2k45 DOE
>>107088779they let skip writing sql for simple where queries and then load the data into magical objects that have lots of helper methods
>>107097428that sounds worse than just using sql
>>107099003its just an abstraction on the row of a database. its fine. it is however pretty much always less performant than actual sql but if you can skip performance for application logic, most people would
>>107092148work is on vercelpersonal split between vercel and digitalocean. planning on migrating the digitalocean boxes over to railway at some point
>>107100320>railwayI just looked at their cheapest paid tier and it says this>After credits are used, you'll only be charged for extra resource usage>Egress: $0.05 per GBI guess quite a few services do this these days, but I hate shit like that. What if random people on the internet send tons of unexpected requests to my application which costs me money in bandwidth fees? It's unlikely but possible.
>>107101108just put cloudflare in front? a random person isn't going to be able to flood with gigabytes at a time without enough resources that would trip up cloudflare
>>107101290Yeah I guess gigabytes of data being served by your app is unlikely but still. I think I'd rather pay a little more if it gives me peace of mind, knowing that my bill won't increase from a quoted price
