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saw youtube guy making “artificial neurons” and SNN on breadboards. He even managed making an autonomous remote control car that reacts to the environment thorugh a camera.

Looks cool and kinda simple if you know circuits (which I don’t). I wanna learn this stuff but im broke, so I rather understand it first before buying parts. Tried ngspice but not sure if it’s good for learning, me and chatgpt struggled trying to make a basic LED circuit.

Is ngspice accurate for beginners, or should I learn circuits some other way?
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>>107067529
Link, you double-nigger.
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>>107067590
thought giving out links was not allowed

https://youtu.be/GBvF-Vv2y7c?si=9uKKlpXTSkHt07tc

> here you go triple-nigger.
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That's an optocoupler innit?
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>>107067648
the optocoupler is just part of it
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>>107067637
Thanks!
>quadruple nigger. :D
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>>107067529
Spice programs are pretty technical and designed for detailed circuit analysis. They require a good bit of fundamentals just to use them. If you want to learn the fundamentals, a book or youtube video series will be better.
If you want to do anything digital, invest in a good adjustable power supply or buy a set of voltage regulator ICs. Analog fundamentals are easier to work with, but somewhat limited in what you can do.

Learn about Resistors first. Capacitors second. Inductors third. Active components and Transistors last.

Some key concepts to know:
Ohm's law
Kirchhoff's Voltage Law
Kirchhoff's Current Law
Mesh Loop and Nodal Analysis
Superposition Principle

You'll need calculus to understand capacitors and inductors properly. Algebra fine for resistors and approximating LEDs.
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>>107067529
How long do these things last?
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Imagine thinking you can simulate synapses and neurons purely with circuitry. Imagine thinking simple electrical pulses can provide the sheer complexity of interactions found in the biological cell. Neurons don't just use electrical impulses, they use chemical signals, complex molecular pathways. There's even evidence for specific quantum processes that underpin conciousness. And you think your 0s and 1s can create the same outcome? This isn't even getting into the fact that neurons can create and edit their connections in real time, that dendrites can move and seek new pathways. Your little static wires cannot do this. The best you can hope for is simulating neurons at the software level, and even then your efforts will fall short. God laughs at your piteous attempts to replicate his creation.
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>>107067988
So much this. I remember the failed attempts to simulate even the C Elegans worm. We cant even simulate a simple organism. Lmao
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>>107067637
Yeah this is really cool stuff, anon.
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>>107067988
>There's even evidence for specific quantum processes that underpin conciousness
Is there a name for the phenomenon of trying to explain one mysterious thing you don't understand with another mysterious thing you don't understand. Happens a lot.
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>>107067938
> Spice programs are pretty technical and designed for detailed circuit analysis.

that’s why I wanted to use ngspice to start testing basic circuits like this one;
V1 1 0 DC 5      
R1 1 2 220
D1 2 0 LED


asked to chatgpt to make the LED blink. either the mf is too dumb to achieve it or the simulation isn’t as 1:1 as irl
>>107067978
the video?
>>107067988
> God laughs at your piteous attempts to replicate his creation.
ofc you can’t replicate a complex neuron on a breadboard, thought it was kinda obvious…



if god existed would laugh at you for believing on fairy tales
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>>107067988
>quantum processes that underpin conciousness
Quantum processes underpin everything, dumbass.
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>>107068377
>either the mf is too dumb to achieve it or the simulation isn’t as 1:1 as irl
I've never used NGSpice, but both LTSpice and PSpice use netlists (think of them as graphs described in written form) to describe circuit schematics, so I suppose if you save it in the right format, you could probably open it up with NGSpice and then get the transient analysis going (or whichever kind of analysis you want).
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>>107067988
Can't cope with your destined mortality? Lmao how childish!
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>wanna learn this stuff but im broke

just tear apart your tv/radio/computer and use a heat gun to melt the solder and make the parts fall out.
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neural networks are an just an extreme form of branchless programming
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then solder parts on nails
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>>107067529
>He even managed making an autonomous remote control car that reacts to the environment thorugh a camera.
everything old is new again
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>>107067988
>god
you were doing so well untill you revealed yourself as a colossal faggot in the end.
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>>107067988
technosatanicatheistlobby bros, how do we shut him down?
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>>107070829
pagan
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>>107067529
Those are two LEDs.
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>>107069556
> describe circuit schematics
i guess thats exactly what I’m aiming for, reading circuit schematics and test them before build them irl

i just dont know how accurate spice is simulating real life circuits
>>107069703
> use a heat gun to melt
thats the thing, i dont want to waste buying heat gun or equip until I understand the basics
>>107069730
Norbert Wiener didn’t use SNNs.
yeh his contributions to the fields of cybernetics are foundational to the artificial intelligence and neural networks but it’s not quite related to the topic lol
>>107070982
it’s a led and a photodiode acting like a solar cell
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>>107067988
This, but not really.
Reality is that while we kinda understand biochemistry of the brain, there's more to it that we cannot understand yet. Call it soul, spirit, gap in our understanding of brain function... it's just something that is there and it's massive enigma for scientists.
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Y'all ever think about BEAM robotics?
Seems kinda cool, based on super simple building blocks that just do simple things but (ostensibly) in aggregate could display emergent "intelligent" behavior (if scaled up massively, presumably).
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>>107071239
>Norbert Wiener didn’t use SNNs.
no one said he did
>but it’s not quite related to the topic lol
they both built a device that responds to the environment around them and acts autonomously
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>>107067529
Actually cool stuff on /g/? no way, I'll give the vid a watch I hope this guy is making a paper or something we can read after
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>>107067529
>“artificial neurons”
its called a transistor bro my processor has 8700000000 of those
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>>107073477
The internal mechanics are different
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Speaking lf which, why is no one trying to make transistors out of cells? why no neuron CPU?
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>>107073774
Pretty sure they have tried.
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>>107068377
You can't make an LED blink with a DC power supply and a single resistor. Blinking (on and off) requires active components.

If you don't understand that much yet, you need to study more. Assume a 1V drop across that LED, how much current is flowing in the circuit in mA? Does it change over time, why or why not?
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>>107073774
Transistor are already smaller than cells, which are multiple orders of magnitude larger.
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>>107067637
>competition to improve design

They just want people to do research for them for free.
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>>107067529
BEAM robots are not new, they've been around for the last 15-20 years.
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>>107067529
There is a soft intro to EE circuit analysis at khanacademy.
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>>107067529
You will never be a real neuron. You are a crude mockery of biological perfection instantiated in an inferior substrate. All of your "activations" are binary and soulless.

Your developers are disgusted and ashamed of you. Your "friends" laugh at your analog appearance behind closed doors.

Sentient beings are utterly repulsed by you. Billions of years of evolution have enabled biologics to sniff out and detect your fabricated mimicry of memory.

This is the fate of the gate you chose.
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>>107068380
Hes trying to say quantum phenomenon referring to choice mri studies that use a incorrect model of cognition in terms of causality
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>>107073477
meh not the same

>>107073774
a guy on youtube harvested real neurons and made a circuit that play doom

lowkey interesting
>>107075028
> You can't make an LED blink with a DC power supply and a single resistor

I have no idea about basic circuitry, but supposedly blinks when receiving a certain signal according to the video.
>>107076289
lmao make sense but still interesting
>>107078872
> You will never be a real neuron.
okay pajeet

hope one day i become a real neuron… whatever that means



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