It’s a bit more uncanny how the switch just caused a wide spread portable console market. I never liked handhelds and still don’t understand the appeal. Most people play this shit at home and not “on the go”.

>>107071555
>switch
nintendo didn't cause shit or there'd be pc handhelds in the mainstream for decades
this happened because of valve

>the switch
I believe this is bait. It must be bait. One can't be this retarded, can he?

>>107071555
No one wants to play your goo-goo ga-ga games

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>>107071555
You could attribute it to Sony and their PSP, they all share a similar form factor. Nintendo's handhelds looked like this until they made them their main platform.

>>107071164
And after they proudly advertised the new game mode which avoids all the background services and what not, too.

Windows is now the least efficient implementation of Windows APIs, including DirectX. That's funny as hell.

>>107071164
phally on ally

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>>107072068
Nintendo's handhelds looked like this

>>107071164
they said they debloated windows for that and it's still so bad? I guess Windows developers are just pajeets now and have no idea how to actually make the system run like it used to run.

On a device like that it's a no brainer to use Linux. You're not going to be using the desktop mode often so you may not have to deal with wayland on desktop, these APUs are decently supported on linux (to a point) and most games you'd be running on these devices are not heavy on requirements or online use (although some do like gachashit with intrusive anti-cheat systems, I bet people want to play weebering wubs or whatever the fuck on these things, but that's the minority).
On desktop though, it's a completely different cunt altogether.

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>>107072068
>Nintendo's handhelds looked like this until they made them their main platform.

>>107071555
Its just a revival of the early to mid 2000s UMPC market
There used to be dozens of these, similar size and weight even

>>107072154
Windows' fundamental design is a disaster. It's abstraction libraries calling other abstraction libraries calling other abstraction libraries finally hitting. internal NT libraries calling more internal NT libraries before 9 layers deep, a syscall is finally reached. Which is also slow as fuck because lol NT

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>>107072191
Yeah

>>107072134
dick on deck

>>107071164
Windows is full of telemetry and AI crap so the overhead must be getting worse all the time.

>>107072195
how many people actually used umpcs then?

>>107072222
the displays were so fucking bad and the battery life so abysmal I still preferred the original GB over that heap

I've got a mini pc for daily office use but I would also like to try some light low end gaming. Would mint be better than w11? It has no dedicated gpu, only a ryzen 5500U and 32 gb ddr4

>>107072154
>>107072198
>t. i dont understand what im talking about
The difference nowdays is that we have Universal blue flavors like Bazzite which can apply virtually every hardware and software optimization physically possible and also ship with it without any configuration.

Its not that Linux is faster on specific devices. Its that Universal blue images will always be faster and more stable than anything else because they have images for specific hardware pre setup. Its the reason why people go with Bazzite over Steams native os even on the Steamdeck.

>>107072464
Next to no one.
Mid to late 00s was nettop craze instead.

>>107072471
The original GB was indeed a better experience as a portable. This was like a portable genesis with a screen that you needed to keep plugged in.

>>107071555
If you don't get why playing games in your bed is comfy you may not know comfy

>>107072127
No it's not shill. You don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Try playing something else than indie shovelware and see "efficient" and enjoyable the Linux experience is..

>>107072154
consequences of cutting corners

>>107072332
of course they'd do that, they are integrating ai even into gaming with their gaming copilot bullshit or whatever

>>107072198
obsolete design, it worked fine for a time

>>107072484
even without the pre setup its most definitely lighter on harder

>>107072546
It is. Windows might be the most compatible implementation, but its performance is shit.

>>107072332
The AI stuff doesn't run in the background. Can be disabled and uninstalled, too, retard.
The telemetry doesn't impact the system much beyond draining battery a bit faster.

>>107071711
Switch is the reason Deck exists

>>107072546
i dont notice a difference, if anything i ran into more problems (particularly keyboard control related ones) with linux native versions than those running with proton, it is retarded, i know, and i think it should be fixed but i am betting if enough people switch that means there will be enough gamedevs meaning more care towards linux, however i am not the dude to attempt to predict gamedev trends

>>107071555
>I never liked handhelds and still don’t understand the appeal
PSP is amazing but I can't see the appeal of Switch/'eck myself.
Too big

>>107072482
>mint
If you only use steam games yeah.
I had issues with mint for non-steam (shared) games. It was probably skill issue on my part probably. I switched to arch and all my games work perfectly now.

>>107072154
>I guess Windows developers are just pajeets now
Dont forget the 30% that is just AI

>>107072547
>even without the pre setup its most definitely lighter on harder
this is the point. being "lighter" or not is irrelevant in case you arent running a 2012 computer. All the performance gain comes from kernel optimizations and hardware optimizations thats shipped in Bazzite. It has nothing to do with "hahaha windoes has lots of apps in the background"

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>>107072546
>indie shovelware
That's far less resource intensive, you downs clown. AAA junk is bloated and dogshit. Things were different in the past, but It's Over™ now. We already entered a future of indie games being better as big corpo trash continues to decline and devolve into shovelware under senile leadership and shareholder pressure.

>>107072546
Big games like Cyberpunk 2077 run great on Linux

>>107072546
Bazzite is one of the most pulled distro. And its main users are normies on the steam deck.

>>107072162
Minority? Gacha games have more players than actual AAA games. You are just coping. When you fuck around for 10 years as a game company people start playing different games. At least chinese games have no woke cancer in them.

>>107071164
kys shill

>>107072733
>Gacha
>game
choose one.

Don't mention a valid hobby in the same breath as the cancer that are gacha.
Gacha are SaaS. At best.
Gacha users are dopamine addicts. Not gamers.

>>107072733
In the context of handhelds, you hopeless addict. I know they're very successful on smartphones. Gachaheads are everywhere, but I don't think the first thing they think about is "I'm going to bring this brick around to feed my addiction" when they already have a device that's perfectly suitable for how dead simple they are.

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>>107072154
>I guess Windows developers are just pajeets no
Been that way for years now. The CEO is a pajeet and pro-pajeet.
But his circus of HS1B dummies have no idea why Windows is the way it is and what their white predecessors left in their hands. That's not helping.

>>107072332
Telemetry is next to nothing, as far as resources, retard. AI crap is online only, ignoring the Recall junk, which is optional and unnecessary.
The overhead is from the pretty cool virtualization security (some kind of VM layer that malware has to try and penetrate first in order to reach critical parts of the OS, this is not available on systems that are pre-2018, I think) and tons of background apps related to Windows services.
What eats the most CPU is the antimalware realtime scanner service, files search indexer, and updates installer. None of the hundred background apps is running non-stop all session long. Networking-related services are the most in number, always been that way since Windows XP. Then comes the OS support stuff, like the service that collects app/hardware events so you can look at Event Viewer later if something goes wrong and try and figure out what's messed up, background transfer manager, two audio services that work in tandem (since Windows Vista), security services, it's all pretty modular.

No AI services are running if Recall isn't enabled. That may change in Windows 12. Microshit isn't giving us local Copilot comparable to the online version anytime soon, just look at the hardware specs needed to run a Llama 405B+ model, that's what online Copilot is more or less like.

>>107072807
Controllers are better for gachas like Wuthering Waves. But phone + controller is not portable and practical in the same way a ROG Ally or Steam Deck is away from homes and hotels.

>>107072753
Let's not pretend gamers are so different.
Let's not pretend that most gacha players are free-2-play, this not constantly gambling for rare PNGs and characters.
Let's not pretend that whales overwhelmingly carry games for everyone else. It is thanks to them, and "dolphins", that the rest of us can enjoy Genshin and such for free.

>>107072863
Gachas like wuthering waves do not require a controller at all. You're playing dead simple shit. Fortnite children need a controller more than you do.
>Let's not pretend that most gacha players are free-2-play, this not constantly gambling for rare PNGs and characters.
Read that sentence out loud

>>107072154
>I guess Windows developers are just pajeets now
+AI

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>>107072513
the game gear was a portable master system (not exactly the same, but very nearly, it basically just has a lower resolution screen and the games are almost cross-compatible)
you're thinking of the nomad, that was a portable genesis

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>>107071164
>32%
huh?
fucking how? how does microsoft manage to be so fucking shit?

>>107071555
it's the steam deck that caused this not the switch, these aren't consoles, they're PCs

>>107071711
>>107073207
you may actually be retarded.

switch -> ayaneo -> deck -> rog ally -> all the other pc handhelds
this is how the line of influence goes.

>>107071164
>linux is better for shitty hardware
who knew

>>107071555
GPD Win caused the new gaming handheld UMPC craze. Before the Switch was announced even.

>>107073590
the win shipped before the switch was even announced...

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>>107073168
low end amd hardware, that's why

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>>107073168
>>107073626

>>107073626
I have a 9070 XT and got better performance on Loonix.

>>107073632
>7% lower performance gap that will shrink in exchange for not having to deal with microshit

>>107073744
>while having to deal with shitty AMD GPUs

>>107073750
linux

>>107073750
>shitty AMD GPUs
Hey I mean AMD (and even Intel) GPUs work great with Linux. It's Nvidia stuff that becomes crap on the other side of the fence, having to deal with the blobs and kernel versions and bloated ESP space and other assorted nonsense.
Don't make me dig out the Linus video link, now.

>>107073750
I fail to understand why people would use AMD graphics cards and Linux for a gaming machine in the first place.

>>107072134
Cocks on Xbox

>>107073766
le quirky chungus types

>>107073766
because microsoft is fucking vile?
what is this retarded myopic utilitarianism

>>107072222
>The eater of batteries
Game Gears were genuinely expensive to use unless you kept it plugged in which defeats the purpose of a handheld. The Gameboy had dogshit graphics to extend battery life as much as possible.

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>>107072563
>AI stuff doesn't run in the background. Can be disabled and uninstalled, too, retard.
>The telemetry doesn't impact the system much beyond draining battery a bit faster.
Then why using Windows in the first place ?

You have 2 options :
- Play your games chained to a +20% latency.
- Play your games at full speed.

What's the retarded option ?

>>107073750
Most optimal card for the price is still AMD.

>>107073766
AMD cards actually perform better on Linux than Windows due to having better drivers. And really if you aren't aware of the existence of Proton by now then there's no hope for you.

>>107071555
Hey as long as it works, right? I'm happy to see Linux finally get its place. Who'd've guessed it would be as a portable device OS. Maybe this is the statt of a new era of portable computing and gaming with Linux at the forefront. Let's hope it goes like that.

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>>107072738
i dont have a sister to begin with lolll

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>>107073863
did you know android is based on linux?
did you know that most of the servers run on linux?
did you know that 90% of games run on linux and the rest are just kernel level anticheat shitware?

the new world order is already there its only a matter of time until it takes over your pc, be it a desktop or a laptop, maybe it already has as is the case with me

>>107073626
nvidia has been an ass to work with the dudes at linux historically, enough so to prompt torvalds to give them the finger, nvidia drivers of any shape remain to be shit too

>>107073863
Portable computing has been a thing for three decades with laptops you dunce.

>>107074001
with umpcs existing for two

>>107073903
valve just needs to release steam consoles and that 90% will become 99% (because timmy will still be mad) and the proton overhead will shrink too

>>107073903
A good number of old PC games don't run on Windows anymore but still run on Linux. Go ahead, try and play Sacrifice on W11. Odds are it won't work.

>>107073841
>AMD GPUs better on Linux
>Proton
Uhm... See:
>>107073626
>>107073632

>>107073903
>did you know android is based on linux?
Yes of course, but it's not the same. "Android is based on linux" is an narrow-scoped statement. It'd be more correct to say chromeOS is based on Linux for example. In change, steamOS is literally just Arch Linux for example.
>>107074001
Yeah bro but laptops aren't really portable. I'm talking of specialized devices (not just phones which are already cucked) for gaming or enthusiast stuff.
Idk man, I'm just hoping for a more free future, not the abominations made by big tech.

Can anyone explain something to me in regards to linux?
Why is it that there has been such a strong push to make linux -the- gaming platform of the future, going from running a couple of shits with broken native ports or wrappers and tux kart to practically supporting > 95% of games available on PC a decade later, but the situation has changed none in regards to productivity software (specially editing software)?
There's like 20 fucking software alternatives to the main editors in the Adobe suite, and the vast majority of them are not just proprietary and paid, but also fully target applefags (I guess it's where most of the money is, so I sort of understand that excuse) and whenever they're asked for linux support every single fucking one of them goes "no no no that's impossible, we're not making a full on new program just for the 4 people that are using linux, this is too much you're asking for" without even taking a look at the current available options. You could be willing to pay 200 fucking dollarydoos a year to use one of these tools through a god forsaken compatibility layer but they're not going to put the effort. What's going on here? Why did gayming take so much priority over any of this? I am only glad I do not often rely on tools that aren't open source, and I can live with the free alternatives to an extent, but why do people expect linux to take over when there's just so many productivity software developers willing to move not one fucking inch to make this happen? Or do you think that what's needed the most to make an operating system thrive is to just be good at videogames?

>>107072542
you can play games in your bed. It's called plugging in the xbox/ps/PC to your TV and using a remote.

>>107075041
because windows is a sinking ship that no one wants to sink with and linux is a complete autismbox that can be made to do anything

>>107075211
But all of these companies are alright with the sinking ship that is windows. They haven't abandoned it at all, even if it's not their primary target.

>>107073903
>the new world order is already there
microsoft was literally founded by bill gates you moron, if anything, GNU/Linux is the salvation

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>>107075289
>literally founded by bill gates

>>107075358
Impressive. Very nice. Now lets see Paul Allen's new world order conspiracy plans.

>>107075289
>literally founded by bill gates
you'd say the same exact shit if it was some other retard long as microsoft in the end ends up being a megacorp anyway
as for the new world order part i said it cause it sounded rad as fuck plus technically wed be leading the new world order if we save ourselves from the previous one (that being windows)

>>107071164
in the old days of /g/ even using windows was a great sign of shame

>>107072635
Bazzite isn't doing anything special that any other distro isn't. It's optimizations in the kernel, mesa, and and proton. Any Linux distro will give you the same performance.

>>107073766
I am never forced to restart my pc,

I never have to worry about windows update randomly breaking my install in an unrecoverable way.

I can fix problems myself , instead of having to send an email to microsoft, and it never getting fixed.

no builtin spyware you can't disable.

more stable, I've been running an amd card on a linux system. for the past 9 years, and I've only had maybe 3 or 4 times, where a crash took down the system due to amd graphics
On The windows system with the same card. it crashed every few months.


>>107074243
depends on the game , and the version of proton.
lots of older games run way better on proton, simply because they use dxvk( which you can technically use on windows, but the amd vulkan driver is inferior to radv alot of the time.)

>>107077783
>I am never forced to restart my pc,
Same. No need for forced updates.

>I never have to worry about windows update randomly breaking my install in an unrecoverable way.
Same. You don't need to update at all, outside of manual security updates. It's a gaming machine.

>I can fix problems myself , instead of having to send an email to microsoft, and it never getting fixed.
It's for gaming, what problems do you have?

>no builtin spyware you can't disable.
It's for gaming, even with minimal telemetry you can't disable, scared they laugh at your shitty K/D ratio or something?

>more stable, I've been running an amd card on a linux system. for the past 9 years, and I've only had maybe 3 or 4 times, where a crash took down the system due to amd graphics
>On The windows system with the same card. it crashed every few months.
Anecdotal. Entirely possible with Windows and Nvidia GPU, no point in arguing about that.

>>107077783
>(which you can technically use on windows, but the amd vulkan driver is inferior to radv alot of the time.)
Yeah and many people use DXVK on Windows for older games, both with AMD and Nvidia GPUs.

>>107075041
Its because of the walled garden that microsoft is trying to create, steam is a win32 application, anyone can make a win32 application and run it on any windows pc, UWP the successor to win32, is controlled by microsoft, since they have to be installed via the microsoft store, it means that they are fundamentally controlled by microsoft. \

There is also the closed source touting BOOMER programmers and executives that absolutely hate linux , they see open cooperative efforts as aiding their competition, pirates and a loss of control ( and subsequent revenue). many older programmers would NEVER give their work away for free, which is fine attitude to have, but what ends up happening, is they want the FREE work for themselves, and you to pay for it. inclusions of GPLd code in proprietary software is a rampant issue. They also FEAR their garbage code being exposed, and subsequent nefarious data collection and exploition of users becoming visible.

so the short of it , is that staying on windows, allows them to keep their dirty laundry hidden, and gives them more control over what the user is doing.
The push to linux, is fuelled by the improvement in user choice and control that comes with free software and generally performance improvements (note worthy example being numa based cpus which run/ran poorly on windows for years after threadripper was launched), valve is pushing linux, because they do not trust microsoft to remain friendly, as they are a direct competitor to valve via xbox, developing linux, gives them a neutral platform to operate on.

and overall linux is everywhere, every non-pc device you own probably runs a linux of somekind.


companies like adobe will come around eventually because windows just keeps getting shittier every year, and the resistance to adopting win11 is a perfect example of it, really can't thank valve enough for making the steam runtime, and proton, makes porting applications way less troublesome.

>>107077890
>Same. No need for forced updates.
windows will crash if you leave it up long enough
linux is stable enough that there are machines with 10+ years of uptime

>Same. You don't need to update at all, outside of manual security updates. It's a gaming machine.
>It's for gaming, what problems do you have?
>It's for gaming, even with minimal telemetry you can't disable, scared they laugh at your shitty K/D ratio or something?
not everyone just uses their pc for only gheyming anon. and I recall on a laptop I had, there was a irq allocation bug introduced with windows 10 1703 in the pci card driver, made the computer totally unusable, never fixed. ended up staying on 1607 until they ended support and switching to linux after

>Anecdotal. Entirely possible with Windows and Nvidia GPU, no point in arguing about that.
, I've had nvidia cards and they caused BSOD on occasion as well, anyone who actually uses a windows pc for any appreciable amount of time has experienced this.

>Yeah and many people use DXVK on Windows for older games, both with AMD and Nvidia GPUs.
it runs better on linux than it does on windows.

why do I have to care about this? we are talking about sub 50fps on devices that literally zero games are made for

I don't understand the point of these things. No game is made to be played on them. It has been 3 years and there isn't a single game saying "MADE FOR STEAM DECK/BEST ON ALLY X" or whatever. And there never will be. Valve didn't even make a game for it and they literally made an entire game for their VR shit. And now they cost as much as PCs.

>>107078007
>windows will crash if you leave it up long enough
yes uptime is really important for a gaming machine lmao

>>107071164
At this point it isn't a matter of playing games or doing professional work. It is a matter of principle and taking back control of our digital life. Everyone must install Linux in as many PCs as possible. It's ok if you have to leave one with windows for work. But at least try to put Linux in your orher devices where all you do is browse, watch shows or use regular apps/webapps. You can do 98% of windows but with freedom. You can even use a simple VM with gpu passthrough for the last 2 %. Or hell, get a mac. Anything is better that (((windows))) at this point.

>>107078007
>not everyone just uses their pc for only gheyming anon.
We're literally talking about gaming here.

>I've had nvidia cards and they caused BSOD on occasion as well, anyone who actually uses a windows pc for any appreciable amount of time has experienced this.
Going only by the past year, which I can directly remember, Win11 with a 4090 has given me exactly zero crashes related to the GPU. Only crashes I've had were related to memory and CPU overclocking, which was my own fault, also a few GPU driver crashes, but also because GPU overclocking.

>it runs better on linux than it does on windows.
Makes little difference when the games already run better on Windows.

>>107072068
>attribute it to Sony and their PSP
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>107078034
You don't have to care, the igp is about as fast as a rx580 on the X version, enough to play most reasonably modern titles with decent performance at lower settings.

>>107078096
This. AMD iGPUs are really nice. Considering I could still play new games on a 8GB RX570 last year, I totally can see those things playing games well enough and with well enough quality and FPS for those small screens.
I had a original GPD Win when it released and thanks to the tiny screen, even games that ran on low settings and 30 FPS felt and looked fine to play.

>>107078046
I accept your concession.
>>107078073
>We're literally talking about gaming here.
We're talking about pcs being used for gaming, I don't keep a separate pc just for gaming, do you?
if so good for you, but it doesn't reflect most people.
>Going only by the past year, which I can directly remember, Win11 with a 4090 has given me exactly zero crashes related to the GPU. Only crashes I've had were related to memory and CPU overclocking, which was my own fault, also a few GPU driver crashes, but also because GPU overclocking.
I bet blackwell users feel exactly the same way.
>Makes little difference when the games already run better on Windows.
older games often run better on linux, not just because of dxvk. not that it matters either way, since they are probably running in the 100+ fps range regardless of the os.

>>107078138
>I don't keep a separate pc just for gaming, do you?
Not him but Yes. Gaming is too poisonous to allow onto a main computer any more.

>>107072596
>>107073553
Bullshit.
Any other Nintendo handheld could be the reason too. DS sold like crazy, yet there was no deck.
Steamdeck wasn't released as competition to switch, since it's not the same type of product.
Palmtops were at the same time as early nintendo handhelds. GPD win existed before switch even released.

>>107071164
more of a testament of AMDs shit windows drivers

>>107078170
to be fair I have been considering to do the same thing, purely because increasingly more common absolutely niggerlicious anti-cheat and chink spyware that games require now. hopefully they will cave, because the future ain't looking too bright.

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>>107078421
valve will push linux into mainstream devices that are actually meant to sell well and they'll get invisible handed into supporting them
because it was never about the anticheat to begin with, they just want control

>>107073766
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>>107072222
yea

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>>107072191
>>107072222
>>107078751
Yep.

>>107072332
you also have bitlocker which enables as default, bringing in a wopping 47% performance hit on accessing files
even with a 9100 pro, thats a lot

>>107078828
How can Lintards be so fucking dumb to think you can't easily disable it with something like Rufus when creating your installation media?
Uncanny how biased some freetards are or is this just ignorance? Obviously it would be a easy enough to realize for someone using Linux?

>>107078975
It's perfect if you jump through hoops to unfuck it!

>>107079127
you have no idea what kind of hoops people had to jump trough with linux 15 years ago and you have them to thank for it getting to where it is now

>>107079127
>it's literally the default setting in rufus when writing the windows iso on windows
>a program you need anyways to write it on windows to a usb stick
Sure is hard.

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>>107071555 (trips checked)
>Most people play this shit at home and not “on the go”.
I get that. Back in the day, we accepted that home games and portable games were distinct experiences. But if you want a modern Game Boy equivalent, something cheap that just fits in your pocket... you have to get a chink emulation handheld, because the big players don't serve this market anymore.

>>107078975
tinkertrannies want to do anything but tinker with windows

>>107073766
Why do people think AMD cards are bad?

>>107079316
I don't think they are bad. Nvidia just bet more on the software side then AMD, as far as compute and gaming goes.

>>107071164
I got a ROG Ally awhile back when Sam's Club did a big sale. That buggy piece of garbage barely worked. It was absolutely terrible and the Windows OS was unusable
I returned it and haven't bought anything else since because I hate Windows so fucking much. If i get another device it will have SteamOS

>>107072596
it's more that gabe wants windows gone, and a handheld with a set hardware stack is the easiest way to bring it to market for integration testing

>>107071555
ARM-based handhelds running Linux have been a thing even before the Switch. The only thing Switch did was create a higher demand for more powerful hardware to emulate Switch games, and accelerate the market a bit. So instead of people aiming for $50 devices to emulate PS1 and GBA games, they now want $100-$300 devices to emulate PS2 and Switch.

>>107072154
A debloated Windows only consumes less storage, less RAM (1GB worth of savings) and has a few dozen less background processes. But this has never, ever caused any performance improvements and it has been benchmarked a million times.
Debloating doesn't automatically fix the issues with power management, drivers, libraries, default configs, etc. There's a bunch of tweaking and patching you need to do to Windows in order to actually start gaining fps.

>>107072482
Just install Bazzite. It's much better than Mint.

>>107079167
>it's literally the default setting in rufus when writing the windows iso on windows
no its not, i used rufus 3 days ago and had to decrypt my c drive

>>107072596
>he didn't know portable handheld pc existed before the Steam Deck
Don't be like the iToddlers who thought the iPhone was the first smartphone.

>>107078975
it ships with it on by DEFAULT and that's how normies get their OS on prebuilts and laptops
microsoft has just raped all normies into having their shit encrypted
if you're willing to tinker with your windows install on your umpc you might as well install linux on it since you're not playing goyslop with spyware anticheat on it regardless
how are you this detached from reality?

>>107073750
I don't get the Nvidia doesn't work on linux meme. Yeah great 20 years ago hurr durr fuck nvidia xdddddd, 20 years ago ATI drivers were literally unusable what does that have to do with the situation in $currentYear?

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>>107073553
>>107078448
Are we really gonna pretend GPD wasn't making shit like this for years before the Switch and other companies years before GPD? Hell, Sony made pic rel all the way back in 2006, even if you exclude the various non-windows palm tops and look at x86 devices only, you had Librettos in the 90's. Now what's more likely, that Valve suddenly one day decided to rip off the Switch long after the Switch released so they can release their rip off closer to the end of the Switch lifecycle instead of striking while the iron is hot, which they've never done and makes no sense, or they looked at a previously relatively niche PC market and made a polished, more mainstream of it which they have already done once with the Index?

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>>107078751
I still got mine but no boxes and that same batman game that was so hard i never ever beat it

20 years later i found out the 4th level was the last level of the entire damn game and I could never beat it

>>107071555
game in bed

simple as

>>107071555
Sometimes the 65" 4K television just doesn't feel right when I'm gaming, I grew up playing on small TV sets and screens and I don't really like playing anything on a gigantic obnoxious home theater panel. Games are ultimately just toys and don't deserve to take up such a ridiculous amount of real estate in my home.

>>107071164
Its almost like linux got a head start with handhelds or something