I moved to Mint because of how bad Windows 11 has gotten but it's been none stop issues. The fact is while Linux is way more secure and quality focused the current state it's in means that it's not normalfag friendly. While I do think improvements while happen especially when steam os is launched the fact is it seems unusable to me right now. Should I just revert to Windows 10 until then?
>>107077135The best alternative to Linux is freebsd.If by alternative you mean mainline you go use Windows.
>>107077135What your issues on Mint?
>The fact is while Linux is way more secureThis is only true if you're paranoid and take precautions. A lot of Linux users(like Archfags especially) are brainlets who1. have a lot of packages2. continuously update them without any particular reason for itLinux has the potential to be more unsafe than Windows has been in decades. It really depends on how many brainlets it manages to attract.
>>107077135macintosh no joke
>>107077135>>The fact is while Linux is way more secureLinux is not way more secure I would argue worse than even windows 7 for a lot of distros because the shitty defaults they pick. But Linux is about control so it CAN be more secure.
>>107077135What sort of issues?
>>107077135I installed kinoite on my grandma's laptop and she doesn't seem to have a problem with it. If you just have someone that needs a web browser and a couple of office tools then just get them something that's not going to break with upgrades, which is the area where a lot of Linux distros tend to let people down.
>>107077175First my second monitor doesn't work. I fixed that but now steam isn't working as well as the fact I have to use the boot menu to select a different boot option everytime or else I get a black screen.>>107077206I'm considering replacing my android with and iPhone as I'm due for an upgrade soon but my PC itself isn't worth replacing.>>107077245How about gaming?
>>107077257>How about gaming?It just works.
>>107077135This has to be either a bot or an ironic jeet>not normalfag friendly.Wdym normies literally only use a browser and maybe an office suite. How is Linux not friendly enough for that?Fucking hell
>>107077257>How about gaming?Bazzite would work better for gaming than Kinoite.
>>107077269Did you not read the damn thread?>>107077291Why is it better?
>>107077319>Why is it better?It's Kinoite with nvidia drivers, non-free codecs, proton and steam pre-installed. Also has kernel patches for gaming performance. It's made for gaming.
>>107077349Alright I'll look into it.
win10 iot ltsc until the year of linux arrives
>>107077135can you fucking retards shut up about steam os talking about that is proven midwit behavior fedora atomic is literally what you want
>>107077319Why would I read a thread made by a bot. Or worse, a jeet.
>>107077548>Why would I read a thread made by a botWhy would you bump it?
>>107077559He's the bot
steamos is meant to be akin to a console gaming experience, it's release isn't going to get normies on the linux boat.
>>107077135just go mac atm
>>107077135>but it's been none stop issues.What issues?
>>107077135I installed bazzite when I made a new rig about a month ago and for the most part everything just werkz. It's far, far better than when I tried linux on desktop in the early 2010s. After that experience I only ran linux on my laptop which only gets used for web browsing and writing. The only thing I had trouble with on bazzite were installing nodeJS for sillytavern (I tried a few methods and eventually got it to work with distrobox). Every game I've tried works perfectly with the right proton settings and all that stuff is built in by default.
>>107077135I mean sure, if it doesn't work for you, go to 10 ltsc, BUT you should try bazzite at least once.
>>107077319bazzite is the most retard friendly distro in existence right now, that's why
>>107077692>>107077724>>107077730all me btw
>>107077738can't beat the bazz, what can i say
Fuck I really regret downloading Linux.
>>107078516are you on a metered connection?
>>107078524Huh what and why?
>>107078527because you said you downloaded it, not installed it
>>107077135macOSjust werks
>>107077135Perhaps you are a problem. If you took the time to learn something new, you wouldn't complain about problems that don't exist. Just because something is slightly different than windows it doesn't mean it doesn't work. There is nothing that doesn't work on Linux Mint. People shill it here because it's the gold standard for a retard like you. It's unfuckable, if you manage to find a flaw, it's a you problem and you should be reeducated.
>>107078555No I did install it.>>107078574I honestly would if it wasn't for the fact that my actual tower is a good one.>>107078672I downloaded steam and it won't open when I click it. I've never had that on Windows.
>>107078697you install bazzite and it comes with steam preinstalled and it's made to actually play games on
>>107077257>First my second monitor doesn't work. I fixed that but now steam isn't working as well as the fact I have to use the boot menu to select a different boot option everytime or else I get a black screen.Works on my machine.
>>107078701I'll look into it.
>>107078697>I downloaded steam and it won't open when I click it. I've never had that on Windows.did you get steam from your distro's repository or did you just go to the steam website and download a .deb file?
>not normalfag friendlyMy grandma and the majority of my extended family all use this os. I didn't even do anything to help them either. they just decided "fuck windows" one day and moved over, and that was back when windows 10 came out.Normalfags are more than capable of figuring out linux. You are just proofundly retarded. But, congrats that makes you not a normalfags i suppose.
>>107077135Linux is shit, it has nothing to do with your lack of skills. Even if you know how to do something, it's tedious and often doesn't work.It's a plague on the world, I think if it didn't exist a better option would have come out decades ago.
>>107078742Downloaded it from the site ngl.>>107078777This but now all options are equally shit.
>>107077135sub 100 iq person treats linux like windows and wonders why linux doesnt work like windows.
>>107078805>Downloaded it from the site ngl.yeah don't do that on linuxopen a terminal and "sudo apt install steam" or open mint's software manager and search for steam
>>107078921>yeah don't do that on linuxYou can do it with a lot of things.But it is best to get from the repo when available.
>>107078939I got it working but now my hard drive isn't being detected. Fuck this I'm going to windows 10.
>>107077135>The fact is while Linux is way more secure and quality focusedlolno, Linux is less secure while being more quality focused, because Linux security is a joke that needs nothing more than a modification of .bashrc or .xprofile to break. It does have significantly less bugs than Windows though, and in my personal experience (which seems to conflict with everyone else on the internet), better hardware compatibility.
For me, it's the Windows gaming PC where every game works. If you are a LInux gamer, you WILL be excluded, on the outside looking in, reading about all the hot new Windows titles.
>>107078777Trips of truthBut don't be too hard on Linuxfags, consider instead that getting computer engineers to stop sucking their own dicks and make a product that would make them all rich is such a Herculean task that only a handful of men have ever managed the accomplishment (all now billionaires)
>>107077135if you're too stupid to use Linux then BSD is the answer via MacOS.
Linux is getting worse and more user unfriendly.We had a couple good years of linux mint and then they fucked it up with the new theming changes which look terrible and they are still following guhnome to this day. If we look objectively from linux mint's inception, it has only gotten worse. They decided to create cinnamon and nemo which are still buggy and not as stable as MATE and its utils to this day. NEMO has a reputation for being the WORST file manager on linux being the slowest. People have been vocal about this for 4+ YEARS. Seriously takes .8 of a second to switch tabs or load folders yet the mint devs plug their ears and basically live in lala land only geting high off their own farts and whoever praises the shit garbage they put out. They are basically glorified gods with their own cult.What a shame. Debian 13 with XFCE it is for most people that just want a just werks long term stable distro.And for all those other people who need modern kernels and modern drivers for nvidia or newer AMD cards, well you're shit out of luck if you want a GUI experience like mint. I guess you can always install a new kernel on debian for AMD but for nvidia drivers IDK.This is why linux sucks because no linux dev can just make a reliable snappy and fast distro with GUI interface. They eventually fuck it up. I don't even think the mint devs even use their own desktop because cinnamon is so bad.
>>107079164I agree but windows 11 is just too shitty now.
>>107079585I can sign under this post. I bought a new (older model) laptop recently and wanted to install Fedora+Xfce. Some "bwrap" process raped my CPU on fresh install and dnfdragora never even loaded because stuck on package caching forever at 100 % CPU. Another try was openSUSE Leap with Xfce. Installed fine, but didn't even let me log in. I thought there is something bad with my keyboard and type password wrong, but no, it tried to start "xfwm4 --wayland" and logs were full of "wayland session failed". Last try was Debian13+Xfce, which felt like classic Linux right from the installation process. And guess what, it works pretty good.Looks like Linux desktops are slowly getting abandoned like all the good thing we had in the past.
>>107079709Dnfdragora also failed to ever load for me. It proves it's just some shit cobbled together by geeks that something completely non-functional is actually in the system. OpenSUSE also had issues with the login for me. It worked but the prompt printed line 5 times in a row each time the computer started. Showing it is again cobbled together by geeks.They're just no good.
>>107077135>it's been none stop issuesSuch as?I'm not on mint at the moment, but it's been one of the most hassle-free distros for me.
>>107079730From my second monitor not working to my hard drive not being recognized. I'm trying to get on 10 again now. I feel so cheated. Is it too much to ask for Windows to just be good again?
>>107079745Those are not really problems you should be having, these are functions that have just worked on Mint for over 10 years.Are you sure the NTFS drive wasn't locked because you didn't go through the proper shutdown on Windows beforehand? >Is it too much to ask for Windows to just be good again?Only if you can get rid of all the pajeets and hire competent white people instead.
>>107079585I know what thread this is, but you might as well tell anyone bothered by UX to just learn CLI already, it's way more convenient in the long term, and hopefully they'll communicate with you rather than make up an excuse to stick their head in the sand.
>>107079770I followed the tutorials to a t.
FUCK IM SO PISSED OFF RN. I JUST WANTED SOMETHING I DROPPED 1000 BUCKS ON TO WORK. FUCK WINDOWS 11!!!!!!!
>>107077135>>107077257Just use Bazzite. Unlike Mint which uses absolute meme desktop environments Bazzite actually supports the only two relevant ones.
>>107077166/thread
In b4 OP gets banned. Mods have been banning people for bringing up the reality of switching to Linux, under the guise of "starting flame wars"
>>107080023It's funny every motherfucker said it would be just as easy as Windows.
>>107080068Right? I have temporarily banned before for expressing this frustration. Linux is completely unusable imho for somebody who has a life
>>107079727You just cant beat apt. There's a reason why 1000+ distros are based off it. I think linux will always be terminal centric and thats fine because its not windows. I have plenty of GUI apps already like heroic games launcher that work 10X better than windows or thunar which is much snappier than windows file manager.I prefer gaming and using linux knowing it won't spy on me and its not proprietary.
i moved all my "important" computer uses, mobile banking, work stuff, actual productivity, over to a new macbookand i am not a mac user, my only experience with macs before this was briefly using a 2014 mbp as a secondary machine, and using them in school as a kid like 15-20 years agoit has done all the things i wanted the device to do, it doesnt bother me, i like it, but this isnt a a thread to shill macbooks, not todayfor the windows 10 machine i refuse to upgrade to 11 because i hate 11, its too far into the realm of losing user control, windows 10 is pretty bad with that already but 11 is even worseits bloated as shit, slow, unreliable and theres way too many "i want to turn this off" situations where i find out "youre literally not allowed to turn this off" is the solutionso with that my windows 10 machine is just going to stay a windows 10 machine until its literally impossible to launch steam on it anymore, i already reinstalled 10 on there, to wipe every last bit of data off the machine that wasnt steam, and game related, its a games console nowand when steam stops getting updates on 10 ill run it til it stops working too, and when steam outright will not work on 10 ill just take the machine offline and play all my games offlinelike you would an old games console, one day the xbox 360 stopped being usable the same way it once was, and people just continued to play their singleplayer titles without the xbox connected to the internet, my pc will be the sameid skip the linux part unless you want to have one machine do both things, your important stuff and your games, if you can do seperate devices by all means just continue with a gaming box and get a mac for modern uses
Can you have Intel Management Engine disabled by HAP method on MacOS?
>>107080188>intel>macOSwhyeven apple kinda ignores anything they every did intel related now beyond showing that they were slow as balls compared to even m1
>>107080201IME is an NSA backdoor so I want it disabled
10 hours and OP hasn't explained what issues he has been having.
>>107080095That's the worst part. All these techies said I should use it and this happens. This whole ordeal has me more emotional than I probably should be.>>107080157I'm thinking of getting a cheap backup laptop.>>107080317I did several times. Read the fucking thread.
>>107080095>>107080369linux in general just is kinda fucky, i think people who fully understand it and have a lot of experience with it tend to gloss over that because they know how to deal with itfor new users to the entire linux system, installing bone stock ubuntu and getting errors right after boot for no reason is awfulhaving the installer fail for any assortment of reasons, its awfulgo tell someone whos only used windows their entire life to change the sample rate of their audio output in linux, this seemingly simple type of thing just is not a simple task on linuxplenty of other stuff isif you can work through the more complicated nonsense that shows up and gets in your way as a new user, the potential is there for certain, its been shown plenty of times, you can get a linux desktop experience thats as capable as windowsbut getting there isnt as easy as just installing the OS like people try and claim it is, thats just not the truth
>>107077135if its about privacy then you cannot use any hardware after 2008.other than that get the desktop version of steam os (i think it was called holoiso) if you are a lazy fuck. it plays everything. even old stuff windows wont without a lot of fuckery.i didnt even had to install drivers etc it just works.
>>107080396I wish I was told this a few days ago. Is it too much to ask for a local account, no ai and to have privacy?
>>107080396Im the guy you are quoting. I went from windows to to debian 13 a few months ago.Things that take 2 minutes to install on windows take hours of tinkering on linux. And they just stop working from one day to the next.
>>107080426what are those things then?
>>107077135Linux doesn't even run with a firewall up by default. Is that secure?
Can't install GNOME on the lmde7 distro. wtf
>>107080830Most distros have a firewall stop spreading FUD
>>107080426>debianI'll give you a pass because you just don't knowDebian, mint and Ubuntu blow cock, use an Arch-based diatro if you want shit to actually work
>>107080830>authentication is required to install bharatnumba1.sh
>>107080396Yeah well retards keep recommending the worst distros so that's what's going to keep happening.
>>107077166Meds
>>107077166What advantages for freebsd have over Debian?
>>107077135We should have been funding ReactOS instead.
>>107078697sudo apt updatesudo apt install steamAre you really that stupid? All you had to do was google "how install steam linux mint" you fucking retard. You don't deserve a computer, you are a waste of oxygen.
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>>107083136I'll never understand how this guys channel took off so big. All he seems to do is connect plug and play components to a motherboard.
>>107077184Nah even if you’re a retarded normally, Linux is still safer by design because of its privileges system. You have to literally go out of your way to be pants on head retarded to run malware as root. Most people install their packages from trustworthy repos. Redhat and Canonical, large multimillion dollar companies aren’t any more likely to ship you malware than Microsoft
>>107077135If Baby's First Linux is too complicated for you, you should really just stick to tablets.
windows 11 is pretty comfy if you just disable the updates and disable everything you don't like with registry edits.but If I had to reinstall windows, I would probably switch to linux for a couple months and then there is going to be a miniscule issue (probably firefox, they probably fixed this by now, but I had an issue where it would just stop responding and I can't click tabs or close the browser without task manager, also picture-in-picture would not work in certain situations like fullscreen), or a update on windows that is actually decent and I will go back to windows.linux mint is pretty good, but I spend 99% of my time in a web browser and I also really like window's auto hiding taskbar.
>>107078697Google "How to install Steam on [X distro] [x distro version].>>107078805>nglOh you're a Hottentot, never mind then
>>107077135zorin 18 pro
>>107080408>local accountJust switch to local account in settings? I don't get it, where's the problem?>aiDon't use it and uninstall it?>privacyhttps://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
lolling @ OP's tech illiteracy>>107081212BASED
>>107083151Why don't you do the same and make the big bucks?
>>107077762*Tips Fedora* M'tranny.>>107077135But for real though: Valve needs to release Steam Arch already. I'm tired of "Valve Time" making it 'Eck and ROG only right now.
>>107081212Debian's fine... but it's REALLY not meant for consumer desktops.
>>107077135Welcome western man
>>107083181I'm running linux but root doesn't really matter, if malicious code is running as your user you are already fucked.Oh no, they can't change my system level settings but that doesn't fucking matter if they can steal my bank account details and all my cookies.
>>107084862>Why don't you do the same and make the big bucks?I'm autistic, not sociopathic. I just don't have what it takes to make it on youtube.
>>107080807ProtonVPN, I finally got it to work after a ton of tinkering. Then I think I deleted the installation file and the program was just gone. Havent succeeded at installing it again, its fucked
>>107077135Windows 11 Home.
>>107079427They aren't billionaires as a consequence of their OS being good. Microsoft used blackmail, racketeering and monopoly to force their software on all hardware, and they were found guilty of it in court. As for Apple, they got rich with marketing for hipsters. And Google got rich by becoming a branch of the NSA. All their OSes suck more than Debian.
>>107077135Mac.
I'm just going to chalk this up to a skill issue. You installed the distro, you should be able to troubleshoot your own shit. If you are interested in gaming I would try CachyOS, but that can be even more complicated to configure if you're just gonna cry and piss yourself every time you have to open the terminal.
>>107078805>ngl
>>107079164>reading about all the hot new Windows titles>all the hot new Windows titles>hot new Windows titles>hot new titles>hotI don't follow.
>>107085439I'm going back to it fuck it. I just wish I didn't do this stupid shit.>>107085607I have a life so I'm not going to troubleshot every five minutes.
Linux was always designed to be a terminal centric OS. A normal person would just use the latest version of debian with flatpaks for steam and heroic gaming and learn the terminal.GUI apps will exist for gaming, videos and browsing like steam, heroic and parole/celluloid but linux's configuration and installation of packages will always be terminal based. You can install distros like Linux Mint or MX linux but then you have to deal with their customization. Linux Mint and MX linux provide GUI tools but they are just frontends for the terminals.System config will always be terminal based. If you learn how the linux filesystem is structured and how linux works its better than windows. If you want a windows friendly linux distro just stick with mint but be warned you will be subject to their retarded changes like themes or their forced desktops they want you to use like cinnamon.
>>107086882>I have a life so I'm not going to troubleshot every five minutes.I'm not doing that. Once I set everything, it just works.
>>107081247Have a life then get back to me
>>107077184Linux is extremely unsafe. It's only safer because its user base is less retarded (for now).
>>107087094Explain how
>>107087719No built-in AV, no MotW. If you download and run malware on Linux you are fucked. If you download sigged malware on windows, it's quarantined. If the code isn't signed you are warned. The only thing saving Linux users is the fact most malware delivered via social engineering is designed for windows. There is virtually no security for Linux desktop.
>>107077135>Best alternative to Linux?Killing yourself is a very effective OS.
>>107087762>if you give malware root access it can do bad thingsWell...duh? Enjoy your training wheels I guess.
Has anyone tried omarchy for gaming and shit? I assume because it's arch and steam is arch it should be fine.
>>107087831Linux fags are insane.
>>107087859I haven't tried it but it's just a rice on top of arch, should work fine
>>107087842I take back what I said here>>107087094>It's only safer because its user base is less retarded (for now).Some linux users apparently don't know how to read.
>>107088012>needing an antivirusOh yes Norton very important without it who would slow down your computer? Windows Defender very good scan your files and send hashes to M$ make things slow. Make sure to sign into OneDrive and whatever you do don't try and uninstall Edge.
>>107077257>isn't worth replacing.hackintosh then look it up>>107077184true>>107083181not true
>>107087094Until the troons sneak in a military-grade ransomware that locks all your drives because you liked a tweet supporting the wrong thing.
>>107077135The problem isn't Linux. Games work just fine on my Fedora system.Just go try Fedora.
>>107084948you can already install steam on arch, steamos is literally not unique or special
>>107077135FINALLY GOT THIS BITCH SOLVED I LEARNED HOW TO PLAY THIS NIGGER GAME AFTER 25 YEARS WOOOOOO
>>107086882>I'm not going to troubleshot every five minutes.same, which is why I use arch as its easy to use and just werks
>Bazzite againTry Nobara instead. Worked OOTB on my 2070 super + 3700X. Set the MESA driver and replaced the 2070 with a 9070XT and it also just worked OOTB, actually stole a lot of the upgrade tinkering and thus reward feel from successful upgrade.Even my 2016 laptop running Kubuntu works mostly OOTB, and that os is dogshit. I only keep it because I'm too lazy to save my wife's browser data, and she doesn't bitch about how it barely plays MTG:A
>>107083151It's genius, you take something like PC building which looks inttimidating but isn't, and then make it digestible to people who otherwise wouldn't make a try for it. I know Dick Suckem isn't perfect but people do have a better understanding of computers and not to buy too much shit, like 64GB of RAM loaded up on their low end i3 processor and use case which would never use that.
