>be me>IT guy at work>over 50 PC's stuck on Win10, no upgrade path available as they're too old>explain this to management and execs, here's total cost for upgrade to all workstations>it's too expensive anon win 10 just works anyway>ok.png>explain ESU licencing and cost reduction>still too expensive>explain to them the risk to the business>is there something cheaper?>explain linux>we don't want the team using that>explain that it is inevitable you're going to get ransomwared soon>we'll deal with that when it happensit's over
>>107079919they're too old to tpm and ram requirement bypass?
>>107079919They'll get what they fucking deserve.Put the backdoor yourself and at least rake some profit from the retards
>>107079934laptops and mini PC's from 2015>>107079937there's literal years worth of P2 sitting in mailboxes with no 2FA because when i made it mandatory to use, the biggest retards in the core team threw tantrums that it was "too much of a hassle" that the managing director overrode my decision and told me to take it off as "they have enough on their plate already"
>>107079919make them sign a paper acknowledging the risks
>>107079957>"we're not going to sign that"
>>107079964shut down the network if they don't
>trying to help corposi see you're still young anon, but you really need to put that energy into productive things for yourself.Don't fight a pyrrhic battle and get burnt out.
>>107079919People will have to learn from experience.In the meantime are there any sources in which I can learn to develop useful ransomware? Asking for a friend in Minecraft.
>>107079919Why don't smart IT niggers like OP put massgrave win10 ltsc on all PC's and be done with it. Nobody would even notice
>>107079919What was your reason for polluting the catalog with that orc?
>>107080120she cute
>>107080106where I live Microsoft does somewhat regular audits of the software you're running and there's been fines in the past when companies where found out with illegal copies of Windows or Office. Would that apply with a product that's out of support though like 10?
>>107079919ransomware them yourself?
>>107080106The OS is not the problem, it's the rest of the software that eventually will refuse working unless you're on the latest version. It won't happen immediately but rest assured, they will make sure it will.
>>107079948>there's literal years worth of P2 sitting in mailboxes with no 2FA because when i made it mandatory to use, the biggest retards in the core team threw tantrums that it was "too much of a hassle" that the managing director overrode my decision and told me to take it off as "they have enough on their plate already"Fake story. 2FA is not that big of a deal to implement, sounds very unnatural when a managing director refuses a simple security feature like that.
I am not updating and honestly your managers and higher ups are also smart to see that all that security is bullshit that slows down work. Sadly for me and you and all of us, the sector no longer is logical and all arguments are on the level of a mac fag vs lintoid vs win toddler were 10 years ago: you will not change my opinion, and i will not change yours.
>>107080187You must be lucky and have not had to deal with a genuinely retarded management team before. I've watched them put 2FA chrome extensions on password-less Macs.
>>107080276>put 2FA chrome extensionsi do that. and yes no pass on my pc
>>107080276>>107080232>>107080284and yes, this is what i am talking about: as i do not agree with OP, i do exactly the same steps to avoid and go around his security, thus making it useless. if we do not agree upon your security methodology, it is null and void. If you annoy me too much with 2fa and shit, i will do whatever the fuck i can and want to just not use it.
>>107080301It's no problem when done on your hand me down pc in your moms basement, but it is simply not done in professional environment. Why would IT manager refuse to implement extra security (and throw a tantrum instead) ? They wouldn't! they get paid to do this, they would dive headfirst into this, demand the management to immediatelly implement this CRITICAL security feature then work hard for 3 months claiming a many hours of overtime and if management refuse then threaten them with hackers and ransomwares.
>y-you'll get ransomware, just you wait!!this better be b8
>>107080372managers can refuse to implement shit if it is too annoying just like i refuse to update software that works, because it is annoying and the new versions suck. granted there is some middle ground - some security features are not that annoying ( like say me blocking all shitskin countries incoming requests on router level, or mass updating software via unigetui once per week ), but if a security update is too annoying, it is ok to just sidestep it. And it will be sidestepped and ignored. Seethe, cope and dilate all you want, given the hour when we make our posts, you are probably germanoid and are thinking something like " in Germany we use 2FA " in your retarded head, but for the most part people who want to have work done and finished do not give 2 shits about security as it is.... your problem. You have no idea how easy it is to find Britbongs or Germanoids just from their posts.
>>107080409he is just german, it is not bait. They just want everything to be autisitcally perfect. They even had plans on removing the Mediteranian sea in order to get more land for housing and make travel and trade between Europe and Africa faster. shit like 2FA is just some German autistic fixation on making shit perfect. Of course, this only works if all the people on your team are germans and all people in germany are germans and ... well, in the real world, this is just not the case. Just like 2FA is a good sounding idea on paper but annoyance in the real world.
>>107080409Yes, management are scared of it. If you are in IT just tell your management there is potential risk of ransomware so you need to check the system, make sure it's secure, naturally there will be additional expenses
>the German did not even respond to my commends, thus proving his germanessSad that I have waisted so much time on this shithole i can literally identify people's gender and ethnicity just from their posts... Anyway, please try to implement security in a non annoying way. Maybe just put 2Fa once per login per 2 weeks / month. Do not be too annoying, Hans. Bitte!
>>107079948I'm dealing with this at work, but through a contractor. We contract out our online ticket sales, those tickets get scanned upon entry, the ticket scanners this contracted company provides run windows 10 and can't be upgraded to windows 11 because they're too old. I contacted them a month or so ago asking if they'd be replacing the scanners (under our contract they own the hardware and are responsible for replacing them if damaged). So far I've gotten the run around from 3 people at the company with no solid answer from them.Im hoping they pay for ESU, but so far it has been radio silence.
>>107079919Went to the eye doctor two days ago; All the computers are using Windows 7. Probably a closed network.
>>107079919>>explain that it is inevitable you're going to get ransomwared soon>>we'll deal with that when it happensok wagie, guess you will have to do a manual backup of all 50 PCs every day and keep these backups offline and separated from each other.
>>107080615Are you ok? Do you need attention?
>>107080761Not OP, but why would I?I'm in no way financially on the hook when your outdated insecure computers get infected and you lose $10,000s or $100,000s per day in lost revenue.Presumably they've already got a backup schema and whatever cadence it runs at (daily/weekly/monthly) is up to the bosses (since they're the ones paying for the backup storage and has to approve the company-wide backup policy). I'm not going to advocate for a change to the backup policy, I already advised you on the proper course of action, you've decided to ignore that advisement.Worst case scenario I start sending out resumes and if/when shit hits the fan (or I get a better job offer) I'll head on out.
>>107080789I do not like updating when it is not needed and I do not like IT shitheads making me come up with new ways to go around their security mommy state shit. Just the fact that he mentioned 2FA chrome extensions means we already are on the mouse and cat catch up stage as this was 1 good way to go around the 2FA shit.
>>107080853Why do you even care about some restricted dell or lenovo shitbox at your company? Going around IT security, doing all other unnecessary bs. For what? Just do the minimal amount of work and fuck off home to play with your own system that you've build.
>>107079919>we'll deal with that when it happensbased
>>107079919How do you even get a job in IT when you can't install windows? I learned that when I was 10 years old.
>>1070809251. if i am going to stay 9 hours at work, i want to be able to enjoy the system i am using. I am not the only one - linuxtards bring their linux laptops mainly because the company PCs run Windows 11 - or in other words : they are unusable. 2. its just a few shortcuts taht make things just work faster. Niggas that being their own laptops and own keyboards with keystroke macros do far more to automate all the surity shit + other daily tasks. I did had a laptop that I did 0 changes to once, but then again, I did not even use that machine for anything but just doing some small shit if i had to go to some other place.
>>107080729>Probably a closed network.haha yea
bro I know just three easy steps to make 10 years worth of your salary
>>107079948Silently turn it on, saying Microsoft is forcing 2fa.You guys do use o365?That's what I did. No pushback as it's out of my hands.
>>107079919it just werks
>>107080120mid black women = ez bag for whiteboy
>>107080956Yeah the point is to bring your own personal device if you want to use it “your way”. Your work device isn’t for having fun. That’s a security risk of its own. You should only be doing work related activity, running work related software, and storing work related data on your work devices.
>>107081626fair enough. although i do hate that i hve to bring my laptop to work because your pc's are shit.
seems like everyones an expert here on how to manage IT on an enterprise level
>>107081737“keep your os updated” isn't exactly expert level advice
>>107080409It's true though, officeboomers have actually become even MORE retarded than they were 20 years ago, it is insane.
>>107081905if only new software was good enough to want to use it...
>>107080120Imagine being a grown man and not liking black women
>>107081737It's the Internet, people will always talk at length about things they know nothing about. It's the same reason why anytime there's a tragedy like an airplane crash, every joe schmo magically comes out of the woodwork as an aviation expert, or why so many antivaxers exist since COVID.
Juts give them a report on the risks and possible outcomes and likelihoods and call it a day. Not your skin.
>>107079919This is every boomer ran business
>>107079919Put in as much spam and firewall protection as you reasinably can, and keep the emails where you explained this to management in writing.If shit pops off, it's not your problem. Quit and tell them "I told you so". Leave them to figure it out.
>>107082000Not taking COVID vaccination doesn't make you an antivaxer. It's just cheap propaganda meant to demonize a certain group of people.
>>107079919>>>it's too expensive anon win 10 just works anywayI'm of the same opinion
>>107079919Lol you tried to convince them to use Linux? Boy oh boy are you an IT baby. Good luck convincing any business to completely alter their entire ecosystem and invalidate licenses and have no support for much of the software stack used by the organization.>>107080824>>107082112Same. I'm fucking over incompetent management, and it's easy to spot in interviews by asking the right questions. I just start sending out resumes the moment they pull this shit, because what ends up happening is that it sort of stains your career when there's a cyber incident, doubly so if you're in SecOps teams or if the IT department is small. Where I'm at right now if shit went sough, I'd be so abstracted from it wouldn't matter. I guess at the end of the day the real solution is to find an IT gig where you have a large team with people dedicated to a specific job.
>>107079919There are pawn shops in the US still running windows vista. Even if you manage to dodge malware Microsoft will add things to newer versions which will make networking with older machines more difficult. They include disabled services for W10/W11 just to do that. The other thing is when they try to continue using programs that are out of support, with licenses locked to a single machine, boomers don't understand that the vendor can discontinue hosting whatever remote services at any time for their 18 year old sales/inventory program.
>>107081510Fairly based my niggaI do that shit all the time whenever shit breaks, but I'm not an admin, I'm the guy at work breaks shit even more just so you have shit to do instead of looking at my /g/ posts.
>>107079919I dealt with this exact situation but it was easy enough to convince them once I mentioned insurance costs. Most "cybersecurity" insurance policies these days are very clear about not running outdated software. Don't want insurance? Sure. Good looking getting funding sources though. Whether or not funding sources matter to you depends on the company.
>>107080106Depends on the type of work at OPs place. If its a legal office and someone finds out people are used cracked versions of Win10, Adobe, etc, IT is in for a world of shit.
>>107079919If company is slow to change, has big beurocratic hurdles and doesn't benefit you in your career growth then you ought to silently start looking for another company and drain the current company dry before going away
