>>107087015
Fell for the notesnook meme actually

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>>107087015
>Did you fall for the Obsidian meme?
Hook, line and stinker. I've got hundreds of pages in it. And I haven't even tried their new databases yet.

Pic related. This is the ideal male body. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

>>107087025
I think I'm gonna go back to the notebook meme. It's mostly a scam but keeping a shitty little cheap notebook in my pocket did unironically helped me organize my toughs and structure my day at least a little bit.

I can also draw a little chart/graph without having to install and configure some autism plugin.

>>107087015
its all-right. just have to use community plugins for proper encryption&sync

>>107087058
Fair enough, buy some notebook memes for me too

>>107087015
>Did you fall for the Obsidian meme?
Yes.
>Is this piece of shit really the best that's available?
Notetaking software is entirely personal preference. I prefer using Obsidian because that's what I'm used to, I have a friend who uses Emacs with org-mode because that's what he likes.
Here: https://github.com/tehtbl/awesome-note-taking

>>107087015
>2gigs for a note taking app

>>107087053
How often do you read back trough your notes? What kind of subjects are they about? Everybody online talks about note taking nonstop but I can't ever seem to get into it.

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>>107087015
huh

>>107087015
No. Joplin

>confusion, messy schedules, cloudy thoughts
>take notes somewhere
>it gets a little better
>then research the best most efficient and productive note taking methods, techniques, softwares and tools
>go into note taking hell, accumulate useless knowledge, annotate dreams, spreadsheets for everyday tasks, graphs, databases...
>create a whole individual grammar of symbols you use to navigate through your journals
>become a renaissance man with digital tools
>after a while it grows tiresome
>forget to take a note and don't mind it
>realize you were in some digital hell and the best technique is just pen and paper
>start a simple bullet journal
>it works, it's simple
>one day you forget about it, but it's not a problem
>then you go a week without taking a single note
>then a month
>confusion, messy schedules, cloudy thoughts
>start the whole cycle all over again

i just use markdown files. created scripts to automate simple things i do regularly. copy/paste a few kb if i want them somewhere else.
ive tried obsidian and joplin but i dont care for the "ecosystem" and the bloat. lowkey they try to entrap you with novel features. i wouldnt be surprised if they have paywall of some kind

>>107087015
I use Obsidian since it looks good to me and has markdown. There are dozens of other applications that are the same but I'd be extremely surprised if they have any edge up on Obsidian that would make me truly reconsider it

>>107087677
I can never actually get into it. I spend a lot of time learning about useless bullshit but if I'm reading I never think "Oh I think this is important I should note it down". At college I'm usually too busy paying attention to the teacher, idk how my classmates can pay attention to the lecture and write things down at the same time. And if I'm thinking about note-taking my mind blanks out and I can't think of anything to note down.
I also never follow schedules I make for myself so I don't even bother. I mostly make basic to-do lists for a while until I end up forgetting, and writting down random schizo thoughts I get, and spend too much time looking at other people's notebooks hoping it'll inspire me to actually organize myself.

>>107087015
use Joplin or Cherrytree

>>107087104
not sure about Joplin, but Cherrytree can encrypt notes

>>107087677
use tasks.org for reminders

>>107087015
Just use emacs. Even a retard can learn to edit org files. Then you're not using their gay meme product for something that should done with a simple format and a text editor slash operating system slash lisp autism machine.

>>107087015
Excalidraw apple pencil ocr. Typed text is retarded

>>107087015
Not taking is glowware to extract institutional knowledge to feed an AI
but i realized this is a good thing actually.
The torch of conciousness and all.

>>107087015

For me, they lost the plot the minute they introduced "bases" and started cluttering that sidebar with all kinds of knick knacks as "essential features" - the OG obsidian with like 2 buttons on the side and 2-3 in the directory column max was actually a pretty focused tool - but they just keeeep adding visual clutter to the menu that took me out of it completely.

Org-Roam is like the terminal / autist version that captures that vibe that I was seeking, but I think its a bit much for many people who don't want to waste their life learning how to just write a fuckin note and maybe linking it to another one.

>>107087768
Joplin can encrypt as well

>>107087015
>proprietary
into the trash it goes

I don't take too many notes but the moment I need to I just use logseq

>>107087819
You can turn off all of the extra shit in the "Core Plugins" section of the settings menu

>>107087868
When I first moved to Linux I installed Obsidian because every Linux youtube retard recommended it so I didn't even check and I only realized it was proprietary long after the fact when I had already wasted time learning it I was so pissed off.

>>107087890
>logseq
Did they update the database backend already? I remember las year, they had that in their roadmap.

>>107087913
isn't it a local app? They also passed a security audit from a reputable firm (Cure51) for their E2EE for their sync service - if there was some silly shit going on they woulda found it.

What really is the end of the world about a local MARKDOWN app no less with no notes lock, everything in md in your folder system, being proprietary?

>>107087913
it's too late bro, they probably already installed a rootkit on your computer

>>107087950
what are they hiding THOUGH? if they had nothing to hide then they would make it open source

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>>107087950
"oh no! I don't know how they get the lines so gray or the tabs so smooth in the source code!!Reee"

>>107087768
also, Joplin is multi-platform, Cherrytree is a python program so limited...
you shoul try both.

>>107087861
Nice

>>107087965
>what are they hiding THOUGH?

I think its just a business move - they want to make a business out of it , the core product is perma free but little bells and whistles like hosting could be free millions of dollars of a month and keep a bunch of techies fed. They also aren't VC backed so its purely user funded if you want development to continue

second, to my knowledge - the plugin market is only verified once , once approved , they don't really check it again , so somebody there could be slipping in http calls and starting servers without it ever really getting caught

https://triliumnotes.org/en/

>>107087015
Just use vimwiki

>>107087519
not that guy but i think note taking is useful in a few ways. most importantly, the act of writing forces you to transform your thoughts into concrete entities, it sounds silly but it really does help to clarify ideas and give direction to work/projects.

in terms of reading back through them, i think the main benefit of using a note taking tool is the ability to search through your notes with a fuzzy finder for key phrases, its amazing how often this is useful, but its not something you realise until you have a lot of notes so perhaps this isn't a strong motivator for starting note taking.

lastly, this might not be useful to you, but for university study, grouping notes and assessment information into subject folders is very useful as it saves you trawling through poorly organised resources on the LMS; this sort of thing can be similarly useful in other cases.

sorry for the wall of text

>>107087890
Based
>>107087944
The completed version hasn't been released yet, but there are alpha builds you can download on Github, or just try it online: https://test.logseq.com/

>>107088025
This looks promising, I'll try it out. I want something that's like obsidian but can actually work with tables very flexibly like OneNote. I meam easily inserting and editing multiline text, lists, formatting, images, resizing images and columns, etc.
I basically want something like OneNote.

>>107087677
I get the urge to make huge complicated systems too. but it always ends up causing laziness or frustration.
so keep it as simple as you can. my current system is: just make a new note whenever you want to write something. unique filename, date and time. optionally tags, extra properties and links. no daily notes, no checklists, no commitments. some days I write a dozen notes like these, then nothing for weeks.
then later on I might revise them, add new links, make index files, use bases, etc. or I won't if I don't feel like it. the secondary system is built on top, and isn't necessary for the first one to function.

I wasted a bunch of time looking into note-taking apps and eventually settled on using Obsidian and just added my vault to the list of directories I sync via SyncThing.
That said, Logseq seems to be very similar in terms of features and goals and is actually open source. I tried it over a year ago and felt Obsidian was better at the time but I'll probably eventually end up using Logseq instead because... why use the closed-source version of something if they seem to hit feature parity?

>>107087015
I like Obsidian but there's this (MIT license)
https://github.com/silverbulletmd/silverbullet

>>107087015
No, I use OneNote. It just works, on all my devices.

>>107088018
>second, to my knowledge - the plugin market is only verified once , once approved , they don't really check it again , so somebody there could be slipping in http calls and starting servers without it ever really getting caught
Does anyone handle plugin security validation well? Even major commercial products seem to mostly punt on that when it comes to third party, especially community, plugins. Unless you're willing to dig through the code yourself, seems like you're always going to end up at risk.

>>107087868
>>107087015
>>107087913
i tried the open source alternative, it loaded like shit and didn't work on windows linux or android.

>>107089014
No desktop app for Loonix, I don't want my notes to be on a web browser.

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>>107089014
I like OneNote but Microsoft is getting very dickish about everything. Pic related is what greeted me recently. The desktop version still works, at least for now, but the writing is on the wall. I hate everything Electron so Obsidian and most other notes programs are annoying but I'll live with Obsidian for the time being. Everything being Markdown should make the move to something else easier. Moving from OneNote to Obsidian, especially for local notes, was a pain in the ass.

>>107089014
Fuck anything Microsoft. Dogshit company unless you are using 365 to access everything the files are fucked

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This is all you need

>>107087015
Obsidian is a black rock, so it's probably some glowie data harvesting app to see who is researching what.

>>107089669
but anon all of your notes are offline local plain text and the program never needs an internet connection...

>>107089589
>no grep
grim

>>107087015
I didn't. After using it for a while I decided that OneNote is just better. I want chaos in my notes.

>>107089183
Well... don't use loonix on the desktop? It's a server OS.
>>107089453
Cry harder freetard, but there is no substitute.

>>107087803
Anon that's available in obsidian. i use that as well as my regular notes side by side

>>107087519
people use obsidian to show off on reddit how many notes they have. this is retarded. the only right way taking notes is with pen and paper because it sticks better in the head.

>>107087015
Yes, and I would like to share a thought I just had:
Evernote isn't quite dead yet, but it should be.

>>107087015
Google Docs

Just works, don't wall for Obsidian meme

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>>107090581
>Google docs
>Zoomer who doesn't understand how file systems work
You deserve everything you get.

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>>107090717
Not reading your trash
Google Docs has perfect markup, portable everywhere from your Desktop to your phone, image support and its an absolute breeze to use and easily sharable if you need to do so.

Obsidian is a meme for retards that want to pretend they're productive while they have to write markdown to do simple things like coloring a title, LMAO

>>107090779
Then Google decides it doesn't like something you posted and all your documents disappear because your account is terminated. No recourse.

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>>107090784

>>107090581

legit question? How do you do it? Do you have a document and write everything in it? Can you search multiple documents? I was thinking of doing something like this for notes/journals/tutorials

>>107090784
Make a period backup? You can export these files to other formats, and even then you could use LibreOffice if you really hated everything else
Markdown for note taking is a MEME

>>107087015
obsidian is too bloated.

>>107090801
try google keep. it's not good at organizing since you cannot create folders but you can give your notes tags.

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>>107090801
You can have this on your bookmarks tab
>https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/
As soon as you enter you can see an overview of your documents.

I have documents for several things but now days you can also use "Tabs" to isolate things from the rest of a document (It works as if they were a separate document, not like a section), so if you like that then you could have a single Document for literally everything.
Even if I have Tabs I still prefer to separate my documents by topics, for example I have a just a 'mental' kinda document where I have tabs that separate my thoughts, other tab for my journal and maybe future life plans, it's not the same document where I keep notes about programming projects or whatever, even though I could have them complete separate by the "Tabs" thing

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>>107090878
In case I expressed myself like shit this is what I meant, each tab is a separate contained document with its own subheaders and so on, but I still prefer to keep each document aligned with an overall theme

>>107090878

I have played with it a bit....in document tabs are really nice. I will give it a go to see how is on mobile phone/tablet.
My main reason using it is that I can copy it once a week and have a backup. I'm also a pro user and have some extra benefits.

>>107090848
I'm already using it for quick notes, but I wanted something can use photos, tables, more formating.
I also use keep with my family to "keep" shopping lists and food ideas.

>>107089589
Based /ppg/chad

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>>107090784
Recently happened with Notion. They deleted accounts without even allowing the users a chance to export their data. All due to private information that wasn't even being shared. They were private notes but their AI scanned them, didn't like something, and simply deleted everything. No recourse.

>>107091475
Again, you're free to use LibreOffice or do backups. No reason to use markdown for general note taking

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I used it as it as a personal wiki when I was setting up my homeserver to help me learn and let me go back and reference the steps that I took when something inevitably broke.

Since then I've been adding on more and more stuff for things that I want to remember. It works well. I like that I can self host everything myself and sync things with syncthing to all my devices.

>>107090878
>the googletard reps nukige
interresting how you're a cuck in both the literal and metaphorical sense

Logseq + git for me

>>107087015
I fell for it but it didn't take long before I realized that it's solving a problem that's already been solved for centuries.
I keep a physical notebook + my favorite pen. The only issue is that I don't want to keep stacks of notes, so whenever I'm done with a topic, I go through the notes with a highlighter and produce a short Markdown doc from the most important info. I sync these docs using Syncthing so I always have them ready when I need a refresher on something I already researched.
It's either this or living in a cave to keep my thinking clear.

I installed and use it because I'm lazy and getting a kanban plugin was trivial. If Joplin can do that I'll gladly jump back over to it.

>>107087519
Not often but on the occasions when you really need a specific detail you're glad you wrote it down.

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>>107090848
>google keep
>post-it note / todolist for android
>using the google apps pleasing
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARS

I use Apple Notes on my MacBook. Actually really good.
Tried Obsidian. Unnecessarily complex and complicated and not as aesthetically pleasing. I want to take notes and write down interesting things and make lists, not make a new aids research project.

>>107092155
hello neet

I take all my notes in kate, never once needed a fucking database with links and all that other shit.

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If you encrypt your notes with GPG and then stick it on Github , is that secure enough in your opinion? I don't need some world class security , these big companies have access to much more important information purely via pirated textbooks - I just want one extra layer between me and if someone ever got access to my github its not just plain as day open to see and they still need the public key password to see it which is a pain in the ass


- so for my use case is GPG enough?

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>>107091880
Nothing more cucked than being an absolute drone using garbage like Obsidian just for trying to fit in with other retards, do you also use Arch? lmao

>>107092312
you really think I would trust my notes with proprietary trash like obsidian? no I don't use arch but that would not be cuck behavior, not to the level that you are lol. posting /v/ fotm is not helping your case

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>>107090581
>cloud

>>107092340
Then just use LibreOffice like I said earlier?
I don't use LibreOffice because it's just inferior to Google Docs experience
>no I don't use arch but that would not be cuck behavior, not to the level that you are lol.
Being a mindless drone following what retards online want you to use is peak cuck behavior, and that's why so many here use Linux as desktop

>>107092402
if I followed what people online told me to I would not be putting all my notes in a single text file. you on the other hand shit your thoughts out in google fucking docs because that's what every npc around you does. the only difference between you and them is that they would never defend their choice to do so this passionately with all manner of ad hominem as if google docs were their entire identity.

>>107092433
>single text file
Uhh I don't do that though?
It's not only that I defend my choices but that I actively ENJOY shitting on retards that fell for every productive/tech meme specially from 4chan

>>107092450
my point is that's what I do.

My Notes
|__ 2025_11_03.MD
|__ 2025_11_04.MD
|__ Miscellanious

This is all you need, and notepad.

>>107092492
yes it's very autistic fits you well

>>107092617
there is no difference between a text file and a text processor. autism is defending your choice of note taking as a part of your god damn ego.

>>107087015
i like the idea of emacs and org-roam but i can't stand keyboard-centric environments. maybe i'll build my own thing on top of SQLite. i don't need it for day-to-day tasks; it's for large projects like games which would benefit a lot from linking ideas in design, programming, story, etc.

>>107092639
I'm not the one who gets massively triggered by Google, little autist

>>107087015
joplin fucking sucks im sick of seeing people recommend that. enjoy your database getting corrupted because its 'encrypting' all your files
meanwhile obsidian doesnt do anything to the files just keeps them in your flat folders.

>>107087015
I use Joplin and sync it via a Apache Webdav Server

>>107092813
I was more "triggered" by the fact that you enjoyed cuck trash. take your holier than thou /v/tardism back whence you came. the point was about your fragile ego not about being passionate about anything. I hate google but google is nowhere to be found in my personal identity. /v/ tourists have subzero intellect

>>107087015
In started a vault to make a "personal wiki" on it, but I haven't kept up on it. The lack of back links (or a least being able to go to the "main" page, I'm spoiled by MediaWiki/Wikipedia) kind of sucks. But the whiteboard (where you do a Network map a la Visio) is nice, and the database plugin (which is sub only right now if I remember right) seems cool if you want to make a readling/watch list within Obsidian.

But since it's just a markdown viewer, you can use any .md viewer and get 80% of it's functionality.

>>107093649
>and the database plugin (which is sub only right now if I remember right)
no they have made it available for everyone. its nice.

>>107093165
>little autist doubles down and thinks it's better to get triggered by a random anime image reaction pic
uhm...

>I hate google but google is nowhere to be found in my personal identity.
I was replying to some anon who asked for advice on how to use Google Docs, you replied to me because you're a miserable autistic fuck who can't help himself and who's entire personality revolves around being le hecking tech savvy even though you're a retard using retarded cuck server tools like Loonix as desktop to feel like you belong into some detached and ascended cult above le hecking "normies".
Unironically KYS

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>>107092304
nobody cares about your notes remotely enough to go through the hassle of breaking that encyption
you could archive them in a 7z with a dumb password, and they probably still wouldn't bother to crack it
Nobody wants to spend the effort. If it can't be automated, they won't bother.

>>107093146
I sync it with Dropbox because it's free, the notes are encrypted but still might be dumb

>>107091475
>Recently happened with Notion.
>They were private notes but their AI scanned them, didn't like something, and simply deleted everything.
Not what happened. Entrusting valuable data solely to an online service is and will always be retarded but that's also a bad example. The recent story was about a guy who explicitly broke Notion ToS. He literally admitted to doing so.
> Content subject to additional scrutiny: Our goal is to ensure the availability and reliability of the Services. We have determined that content related to certain industries may have higher abuse rates that may jeopardize the availability for a broad range of users of the Services. We reserve the right to provide additional scrutiny on, suspend the use of and/or discontinue the provision of the Services to individuals and organizations who use the Services related to such industries. Examples of such industries include:
> work-at-home, make money online, and lead generating opportunities
> gambling services or products;
> adult entertainment;
> sales of products in high demand due to regional, national, or international emergencies;
> online trading, day trading tips, or similar related content; and
> multi-level marketing or affiliate marketing.
Not to mention he was likely breaking Californian data privacy laws (pertinent since Notion is headquartered out of California) and GDPR regulations (pertinent since the banned user said they live in Europe).
I will NEVER recommend anyone to use Notion over Obsidian, but the recent story was bogus.

>>107087519
I use Obsidian as a personal wiki, where I save
>useful tech tidbits (ffmpeg commands, windows and linux tutorials, etc)
>cooking recipes
>game combos
>TODOs for personal projects
Among other random tidbits.

For me, it's rhodia a3 and a lamy safari.

>>107087015
no it was obviously gay chink shit, i use markor and sync txt between devices with syncthing.

>>107087519
I use OneNote, but these uses apply to any note taking software

>Write out solutions to exercises in a textbook (Good with a stylus)
>Scan important receipts.
>Keep a maintenance log (say, make a note of when I last replaced paddles in a snowblower, when did I change the oil etc.)
>Scrap book. See some interesting product online, take a screenshot to remember it. Or maybe someone recommends something interesting to learn.

>>107087519
I don't use it for learning, but I do use it for project ideas and such. Jot down your entire idea, even if its crap. Then when you can start something, you'll have refreshers ready to go.
Also useful for writers so that they can keep consistency. Basically notes are good for working with tasks that are too big to keep in your head all at once, the same way that a software project gets too big and you have to start reading the code/docs.

>>107087015
it's a cross-platform apple notes with meme features bolted on (like the node graph)
good for notes you want to archive and manage but most people have less of those than they expect

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>>107088570
>>107088025
OK I tried it, and HOLY FUCKING SHIT fuck freetards like what the fuck were they thinking with this one???
They create a """""pretty good""""" editor, and they fuck it up with retarded defaults which are impossible to change.
>can't turn of autocorrect
-- will always become an em dash, ... will always become a single ellipsis character, (tm) will become the TM character, etc.
This is infuriating.
>can't turn off fucking meme ligatures
Absolute mental illness. Literally nobody asked for this shit to be the default.
>can't set your own font
Literally fucking why? You are forced to use 1 font everywhere, and you can only choose from a predefined list. If you're forcing users to have only 1 font, at least allow them to choose the one they want to use.
>basically no customization options, not even the basics one would expect

When I checked the open issues, they've been open for years with no solution in sight, and no effort put into making them happen.

tl;dr this must be an elaborate joke, and it is, it has clearly gone too far

sigh
Back to OneNote I guess.

>>107095131
Submit a patch? These all sound like jr dev tasks.
>inb4 "I can't code"

>>107087519
>What kind of subjects are they about?
cooking recipes
gardening
random cli commands
random workflows
random blogposts on random topics
>How often do you read back trough your notes?
frequently
useful to remember specific commands/options, any weird quirks with the software, how i setup stuff, why i configured it that way, why i chose something over alternatives, critical issues with software that prevent me from using it until fixed, etc
useful to centralize recipes, remember variations/adaptations i tried with recipes or ones i want to try in the future, differences in brands of ingredients or stores/farms
useful because i also have external links too if i need them
also just fun to read back
but it's not just about referencing, like >>107088059 said even the act of writing itself is beneficial, i've noticed it myself. highly recommend
> I can't ever seem to get into it.
why?
i think a lot of people overcomplicate it at the start and get overwhelmed. just write

>>107095131
>can't turn of autocorrect
open issue from 2023 about it
https://github.com/TriliumNext/Trilium/issues/4353
>Back to OneNote I guess.
why not obsidian?

>>107095156
Humiliation ritual.
I looked at the code, it's compiled javascript slop. I unpacked it, made changes to the only fucking part that was clearly about the feature I wanted to disable, repacked it, but it didn't change shit.
I'm not going to compile it manually, and I don't even know where this shit is enabled if not at the part I edited.
>>107095172
>>can't turn of autocorrect
>open issue from 2023 about it
>https://github.com/TriliumNext/Trilium/issues/4353
I know, I found this. It's ridiculous.
Seriously, this editor would be great if it didn't fuck up the literal basics.
>>Back to OneNote I guess.
>why not obsidian?
It can't do tables. It seems like Trilium can, which genuinely surprised me and got my hopes up.

>>107087015
I used onenote and now Joplin. Both are good for my needs
>have to read some dense EU bullshit regulation
>try to summarize each paragraph into a single sentence
>240 page DORA/MiCA/GDPR gets down to like 10 pages at most
>just skim my notes when I need a refresher
Plus, the process of summarizing text helps understand it, not just memorize it

>>107087015
It "inspired" me to take documentation and note taking more seriously. But the effort I invested in it was honestly not that high.
It's too much of a hassle to open a whole other app just to write down some stuff, often just a few sentences.
The graph view is also completely pointless for 99% of use cases.

Much later I realized that what actually matters is that
1. writing things down doesn't interrupt my workflow
2. looking thingst up later doesn't interrupt my workflow
3. only things are written down that are worth writing down (i.e. there should be a reason to look it up)
4. the writing is high quality enough that reading it isn't a waste of time / not more bothersome than it should be

Obsidian helps with none of these if you already know how to use a computer.
If anything should be memed up more, it's this: https://diataxis.fr/ . It's not particularly revolutionary. But I think it's a very useful way of thinking about and categorizing technical writing.

>>107089014
I have one colleage who writes documentation in OneNote in the rare case he does write some documentation and I hate it.
It's such a massive pain in the ass.

>>107095884
OneNote is about as easy as it gets, if you struggle to use it, then you're probably not going to make any use of what your colleague is documenting.

>>107091523
no reason to use anything but markdown for general notetaking.
None of the "features" of more complex formats actually matter and the fragility of any other format compated to plain text is so high that even if there were any notable features it would still not be worth it.

>>107095919
the problem starts with having to use a specific app to be able to read it at all
Fuck you.
I have never even tried to use it to write stuff down because there is not a single reason to even consider it.
Yet I have to do extra work to read things, because some dumbass couldn't just write some fucking text and save it to a text file.
As if it isn't a thousand times simpler and better.

>>107087015
>Did you fall for the Obsidian meme?
Haha, of course not. I checked the FAQ and read about the database corruptions.

>>107096323
https://obsidian.md/faq
LLM moment

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>>107087519
The act of journaling itself is great for the brain.
>>107087677
You can't ctrl+F with pen and paper, especially when there are piles of paper going back years.
>>107087812
My Obsidian is sandboxed, it can't access the internet.
>>107095812
This is why I'm thinking of becoming a voice recorder schizo, and with voice-to-text magic convert everything periodically to text. Talking is less intrusive to your line of though compared to typing or pen-writing. We can talk while driving, it just shows how easy it is.

>>107094385
>Story was bogus because what they said happened, actually did happen, but there was a EULA that said the company would do what they did so it's ok.
The amount of corporate dick sucking in your post has created a vacuum larger than all the black holes in the universe combined.

>>107096021
This clown is going to go through life wondering why he always gets passed over for opportunities.

>>107096488
>what they said happened, actually did happen
It didn't. The guy claimed his account was deleted for no reason, which was completely false.
>but there was a EULA that said the company would do what they did so it's ok.
It was clear. They didn't bend any rules or twist any definitions.
> work-at-home, make money online, and lead generating opportunities
> gambling services or products;
> adult entertainment;
> sales of products in high demand due to regional, national, or international emergencies;
> online trading, day trading tips, or similar related content; and
> multi-level marketing or affiliate marketing.
It's okay. You obviously only heard about the headline and know none of the facts.

>corporate dick sucking in your post
As evidenced by me saying I will never recommend Notion to anyone, right?
>I will NEVER recommend anyone to use Notion
>Entrusting valuable data solely to an online service is and will always be retarded
Words of a shill, right?

>>107094385
>>107096637
What did that guy do?

>>107096884
used notion for some airline miles reward reselling shit

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>>107087015
i dont really understand it, but thats fine

>>107087519
All the time, I have checklists for export settings for different synths, mixing/shaping sounds, mixing in general, plugin chains. I now all the information already, but it's easy to miss one small step somewhere which mean you have to export shit again etc. Saves time.

I also have another vault that's like a internal wiki for my worldbuilding and writing.

I like Obsidian, but I spent so much time trying to make the perfect vault for organization with daily notes, database tables and so on and it's like 85% working great, but then it's not so practical, there are things I need to fix and so I just give up, I can't seem to find a good workflow with it.

Aren't there like ready-to-go Obsidian templates that I can just shove my documents and notes into?

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Lot of corpo retards shilling corpo garbage in here.
We will hug you. We will give you a big fucking cuddle. Our patience has its limits.

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I swear there is always a big BUT when searching for the perfect note taking app...
Joplin has everything I need BUT it stores all files in a data base instead of markdown files because....Fuck it why not?
Obsidian is almost perfect BUT it's not open source and has some weird syntax that makes it kind of weird to work on the markdown files in another editor
Emacs Org Mode looks really cool but I don't know how to use/ set up emacs and I don't really know how one would read org files in mobile (I'm sure there must be at least one app that does that well)

>>107090801

Different anon here. I have dozens of different documents about different topics concerning my job and life. But currently I have some documents that are so big that they consume ~500 MB of RAM when opened in a browser and it gets sluggish. Strongly considering moving to something else but I'm quite the outlier on this regard.

>>107087519
I always write down fixes for things when they break, but most of my notes are random commands, syntax, tips, or tricks for programs or languages.

>>107087015
A better frontend on mobile would make it great IMO.

>>107087015
>be me, notechad
>take notes, often
>never read them again

Desu >>107087519 is right. I did a retrospective once and realized that I almost *never* go back to reread the notes I take.
Since then, I have substantially reduced my note-taking. I do the minimum possible, and try to do all my work on white/blackboards instead.

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I fell for the Milanote meme.
I got it this weekend and familiarizing myself with it to see if it can improve my life at all.

I haven't found anything better that supports pasting pictures to it and isn't a weird data blob like Joplin or other Notion clones.

>>107092304
GPG's CLI is shit, i use age for that use case.

Notepad++ is all I need

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>>107087519
At least once to revise tags/links/whatever. But it's OK if you don't. Taking notes you'll never read is still a good way for getting rid of unpleasant shit clogging your system. Maybe you'll read it years later and realize how inconsequential it all has been.

>>107093969
only in that direct chain. you were ass mad at every other anon that challenged you. you are too young to see the issue with what you're setting yourself up for which is fine but your hubris and arrogance will be the end of you. I didn't come to notes in text files on git for no fucking reason dumbass. you'll have to learn, and by the looks of it you won't know what hit you until it's a total disaster

yeah being able to use llms to custom add plugins super quickly has been nice

>>107087519
depends on the kind of notes I have a ton of different stuff
I have a note on every single person I know or have known personally in my entire life (significant ones at least, still working on filling them all out), every job i've had, every living situation, i'm trying to just have as many comprehensive notes as humanly possible and have them be inner connected (partly so I can do LLM analysis stuff, it's fun)

Also different kinds of journaling, free association, dream logs, i have notes for projects/music im working on, fiction projects, essays im writing, reading lists its very schizo.

I store big/related effort posts i post on 4chan and other places and organize some together for more coherent stuf,f it's just fun for me.

also nice thing w/ obsidian is you can use claude code to adjust the files or make big edits/bulk task editing and stuff really quickly.

I like it mostly for introspective stuff, I do a bit for just "project work" but that's like less than 5% of my notes.

I just stick to joplin

I think Obsidian is great and you all are crazy. They're probably going to get eaten by OAI/Claude/Gemini though. It's probably inevitable.

What's some good themes for obsidian?

>>107087519
>How often do you read back trough your notes?
Often for some notes, not so often for others (such as journal entries). But for the ones that I don't read often, they still come in handy sometimes when searching.
>What kind of subjects are they about?
Information about projects I'm working on, useful links, CLI commands, lists of things that I need to refer to, and anything else I can think of that I might want to remember later. A lot of my notes are formatted as lists, so an outliner is perfect for me (I use Logseq).

>>107090061
>Well... don't use loonix on the desktop? It's a server OS.

But Windows sucks now and I'm not buying a fucking Apple computer.

>>107087015
It's over Obsidian chuds. https://github.com/siyuan-note/siyuan

>>107100167
The hate is overblown in my opinion. I've been using Windows11 for nearly 3 years now (switched from Mac) and never run into any issues with it. It literally "just works" and for my case, to a much greater extent than MacOS did.

I just started using VimWiki today. It just uses markdown files but it's vim so it's way lighter than obsidian.

>>107100390
I bought a brand new computer in 2022 that came with Win11 and even tho I was fully willing to submerge myself in the Microsoft ecosystem it made my life significantly harder, so I finally gave in and installed troonix about a little over a year ago. I was using OneNote up until that point.

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>>107087519
Lecture notes
Syntax
Quotations
Journaling
Lists
Recipes
Instructions/guides

You can do this with any note taking software, Obsidian just happens to have the most in depth system of note information management and is highly customisable, and cross device sync is incredibly useful for memorisation

Unless a libre copycat is released for free, I'll continue to fork out my slavecoins for it

>>107095812
>3. only things are written down that are worth writing down (i.e. there should be a reason to look it up)
>4. the writing is high quality enough that reading it isn't a waste of time / not more bothersome than it should be

This is the part where I always fail. I can't make good judgement about whether something will actually be useful later until I actually need it later. And I blank out trying to figure out what's the best way to write things down when I do decide to write them down.

>>107097741
>I don't really know how one would read org files in mobile (I'm sure there must be at least one app that does that well)

I used to have Emacs on my phone, but idk if you can install org mode there, since I used it as a basic text editor.

>>107097741
>how one would read org files in mobile
Orgro app for reading your notes.
Orgzly revived for reaching your org agenda.

>>107099272
There's literally no reason for you to do that, you could be using LibreOffice with an automatic backup in several clouds at the same time if you're that paranoid. I backup some of my folders automatically on Mega

I'm not arrogant, you're arrogant pretending to know better and thinking others don't know, I know using GD is a privacy concern and that the cloud can close, I have other backups. It's a trade off I chose so I can use something decent on the browser, you STILL need to make backups anyway

>>107100423
What are you paying for? Obsidian sync? Just use syncthing bro

>>107100711
git lets me sync and merge diff across devices which brings convenience back up to the level of online note services. my concern with docs isn't even with privacy, but the fickleness of google with your account and the possibility of hacks and leaks. and now you have the AI training angle too. I selfhost gitea for online editing which I never have to do cause my notes are available natively on all devices.
all of this is just standard fare for any digital note taking solution. google isn't offering you any better here.

>>107087015
>Did you fall for the Obsidian meme?
Yes
>Is this piece of shit really the best that's available?
It crosses all the marks and has builtin flowcharts.
Were I one of those outliner austism weirdos, I'd have gone logseq, but no, I just want normal notes with markdown syntax and none of that nested bulletpoint bullshit.
I wouldn't use it commercially tho, pricing is retarded.

>obsidian
does it handle mathematical language well? i am going through so many paper notebooks that i might as well get an ipad and one of those pens

>>107101607
I haven't tried it for that, but it does let you use an Excalidraw plugin if you want to manually write/draw things down. It's probably not ideal though.

>>107087015
Obsidian is to Markdown notes what VS Code is to code. It is big and bloated, but comfy and with plenty of extensions, while at the same time not locking you into its ecosystem unless you choose to do it.

If you are using your Penryn era ThinkPad tp take notes or are a CLI supremacist, it is clearly a no-go. Otherwise, it is as fine a front end for Markdown notes as any other. Helps that it is cross-platform and that the notes are just files.

I use Syncthing to keep my knowledge base up to date across Linux, Android, macOS, Windows, and I use the same front end everywhere. I like it.

>>107087015
so is this like screenshoting bunch of stuff and never review them anymore?

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>>107101607
it supports LaTeX style math blocks out of the box

>>107100437
Sounds like you're overthinking it. Just write whatever comes naturally. You can always delete notes later if they're unnecessary.

Features I ACTUALLY use in Obsidian
>linking daily notes to weekly notes automatically
>automatically linking my article highlights from readwise
>syncing to anki to do 'incremental reading'

At the end of the day it's a note taking electron app with lots of community plug ins so you can set it up how you want.
I just take tons of school notes and turn them into anki notes, couldn't do that with notepad or onenot.

2nd brain gang wya?

>>107087015
It's incredible and Bases just took it next level.

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>>107092547
that's what I do too. what are you journaling about anon

>>107097741
>Joplin has everything I need BUT it stores all files in a data base instead of markdown files because....Fuck it why not?
for better indexing im guessing

>>107105579
what does bases do

>>107087015
It's good enough for me. Mathjax, markdown, pdf-export, database feature (for books, deadlines, etc.).
I don't use it that often for taking notes, but it's useful when I am working on a project/idea or just want to jot down some stuff and keep it somewhere easily accessible. It has also made me drastically more fluent in LaTeX kek

>>107105682
I'm pic related. I often feel bad about the fact that I spend so much time reading and learning stuff and I can't make a profit out of it. If only I could chew down and internalize practical skill manuals as easily as I can chew down history.

thanks anons this thread inspired me to get back to using emacs for note taking so i can continue alienating my coworkers. PEACE

>>107087015
When I was only an apple boy, I used Apple notes. It was perfect. No ricing, cross linking the notes or publishing bullshit. Just notes. Couldn't figure out how to sync it with android and windows. Now I use Simplenote. It's kinda similar, but not as polished.

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>Proprietary software
No, thanks, I'm sticking with org-mode

I read academic books on archeology and am looking for a note taking utility for notes and notable passages in those

I'm ideally wanting something where I can save the notes locally, import/export them from one device to another, and can "tag" the notes both with the book/publication the note is from, as well as other categories like the culture, century, etc, so I can search either for all notes from X book or all notes about Y culture

Does Obsidian suit my needs? What other options are there?

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>>107087015
LET
ME
GUESS

YOU
NEED
MORE
?

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>>107108328
I need less, actually.

>>107108328
>>107108361
Reminds me of that eink drawing tablet where you could run programs on it, even oop style physics simulations like kay demoed

>>107100872
I'm not really following you, so you have your entire docs in a single text file, an actual plain text file? You do not use a normal text editor at all? and you back it up with git to where exactly, your own server?

Or you mean that you have a repository that you host where you have your different text files and you edit them online? Why self host git anyway?

>>107087015
I need something like this but for teamwork, selfhostable and with SSO integration. Any idea?

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>>107105167
2nd brain is just scam marketing terminology to sell you a cloud service of some kind cause "oh no anon, your notes have to be everywhere!! Its not really a second brain if its not in the cloud silly!"

How dare I not have access to my knowledge on the bus or my laptop!

It's also a scam because its not really a "brain" , brain implies Cognition whereas something like PARA or Code in Tiago forte's second brain shit is really just archival type storage that's categorized in a slightly more obvious/mentally friendly way - ie memory.

Setting up a second brain basically sets up a virtual notebook , and if u tag all your shit nicely , maybe it will save you like 5 minutes that one time at the end of the term you need to gather all your info at once to study (though u should be doing that as you went along)


>>107107466
Obsidian is perfect for you if u aren't a techie, just turn off a bunch of the core features and keep it simple and focused, don't get bogged down in the autism here.

I tried it but its overly bloated. I prefer a pen and notebook these days.

>>107108919
I mean I'm all for getting obesssive about niche features, I just don't know what features alternative software has obsidian doesn't or vis versa

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>>107100872
>>107108695
You got me curious and I ended up setting a script in Google Drive that everyday automatically converts the docs into docx and backs them up in a folder inside drive, now that google drive backup docx folder is also mirrored on my computer now, and at the same time that folder is now mirrored to my mega so it's all streamlined backup

This script also only converts the last modified files. It also sends a discord alert everyday when finished and says what files were backedup. Very useful thanks for the discussion this was productive I'm gonna sleep now

>https://codefile.io/f/Ss2205raTT

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>>107109154
Is this how you go through life? Choosing features for problems you don't have?

What I personally use is VimWiki because I like Vim keybindings and speed factor is important to me, these notes are
never pretty anyway. But I chose a solution that matched my proclivities. Make a list of problems you hope this software can solve for you and pick that one.

Are you clumsy and regularly forget things? Something more cloud centric that autosaves everything for you might be up your alley such as paying for obsidian sync

Do you like visually breaking everything into blocks that you can move around like lego? Logseq or Notion put the Block as a core design element.

I just use Notepad++ and grep through the notes, don't see the point in installing another bloated Electron app with too many fucking features and integrations, it's nice to have Markdown

>>107108695
yes, my own gitea instance. don't like my notes on the open internet even if encrypted, but convenient client side encryption is just hard in general so this way's fine. I can do edits from browser but I never do. I use vscode and termux because I like vim, only other way on phone is via obsidian.
>>107109233
I could just do an rsync equivalent myself, but the biggest benefit of git for me is merge conflicts, editing everything anywhere and have it commit on a debounced autosave. and I can still read but also edit my stuff offline and sync it whenever. maybe google docs can work offline too and the crdt just resolves everything for you.

>>107109288
Yes, if I have explore a topic or solve a problem I never settle for good enough and have to obsessively find out about every potential option

>Vim

Isn't this a command like thing? I def want a GUI

>>107109368
>I'm ideally wanting something where I can save the notes locally, import/export them from one device to another, and can "tag" the notes both with the book/publication the note is from, as well as other categories like the culture, century, etc, so I can search either for all notes from X book or all notes about Y culture

The only thing you need to clarify is what you mean by import/export from one device to another, otherwise- literally obsidian does all this shit, stop comparing

And u don't strike me as a block person if you're reading academic texts , the editor in obsidian is more natural for academic writing and notetaking / is loved by PHD types as well, dont overthink it OR try a bunch idc

>>107109492
As in, if i'm on my phone and want to add notes there, being able to transfer a file that contains all my notes back to my desktop or vis versa so I can add notes from any device vs each device having a seperate notes list

The problem with a lot of FOSS software is it tends to be overcomplicated. Either in operation or the method by which it’s shared across devices. The moment something becomes a hassle to use, is when you decide to drop a good habit.

>>107087015
i just use UpNote.
simple, easy, zero bloat.

>>107109645
Obsidian Sync - just pay it ($4 a month)

There are free ways to achieve this workflow outcome but especially once you throw a phone into a mix - its gonna get janky or feel jerryrigged together in a not smooth way.

If u dont actually do any real work on your phone and just read from time to time - then it gets easier

>>107109712
Is there not just a "export all notes to __ file" and an import button I can click to transfer everything from one to another?

I'd consider paying 20$ or even 50$ as a one time thing. I don't do subscriptions, period.

>>107089014
>>107089286
It's also linked to m$ account and if you use pirated m$ software it'll randomly block your account. Formatting is also garbage and inconsistent. Nah, I don't like onenote.

Emacs org-roam MOGS

>>107110323
I kind of want to drop Obsidian for org but Emacs autism is hard to penetrate.

>>107087015
I don't do fucking note taking, I don't understand for what purpose do people even take notes often enough to need a special program for that. The only notes I take are either in my phone notes app because I need to remember something or in some txt file in the Documents directory of the home directory

Obsidian seems cool but I just don't bother using these things

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>>107109707
same
comfy to use, cross platform sync, I like it

>>107110582
its called being brown/low IQ
imagine not having ideas all day, funny thoughts, interesting things you learned, that you should make note of
your life is suffering

>>107100225
>chinese open source project
holy based this is anodda deepseek SAVE ME TRUMPMAN

>>107087015
It’s pretty good
I use Ulysses normally but a nicely-composed Obsidian window is great for vidya notes

>>107087519
One thing that other anons haven’t mentioned is that I need to keep track of what’s been done to my house so I know when I need to find a roofer in ten years’ time to get it all replaced
A personal wiki is great for storing the histories of your house’s components
Although I’ve gotten lazy because most of my “notes” are in Trello cards and I haven’t transferred much over to a nice proper write-up and theoretically Atlassian could kick me out of Trello and my notes could be gone

>>107110975
>He needs to note down his thoughts and ideas or he forgets them

Sounds to me like you're the low IQ person here anon.

>>107111477
your ideas and thoughts are just simple. base, like shitting. like your skin.
>jerk off again in 30 minutes
>buy curry
>get crushed by a train someday

>>107111477
Newton, da Vinci, Edison, and Tesla all had notebooks where they recorded thoughts and ideas. Sounds like you've never had an idea worth revisiting.

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>>107111500
>>107111502
>calling anybody a pajeet
>while using a sandnigger invention

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>>107106865
Story of my life. And YouTube made it even worse.

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>>107111568
tell them auntie

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Reading "the bullet journal method". So much talk about meetings, emails, planning trips. Do these sorts of stuff work if you're a loser schizo NEET or are they the sort of stuff that only works when you're already a wagie normie?

>>107102998
cool. i might get on that

>>107111897
I have a bullet journal... Sort of. I just have a graph where I track my sleep, mood and energy levels. It helps with noticing patterns in my mood. For example, I noticed that I have lower mood and energy levels if I sleep more than 8 hours.
You can write whatever you want in it, really.
But I would agree that yes, a bullet journal is not that important if you are a hikki neet or have no social life to speak of.
I have a small notebook at work that I use to schedule my appointments, but otherwise I don't have need for calendars and other stuff.

>>107087015
>Did you fall for the Obsidian meme?
i tryied but i have no idea how to use iy lmao
notepad ++ and precisely folders

>>107112070
>folders
tags are superior. A file cannot have two folders, but it can have multiple tags.

>>107112108
ye can anyone tell m e how to use obsydian?
like what's the pros of using it?

>>107112157
>like what's the pros of using it?

As that anon above implied the tag system is one of the most interesting features, you can put tags on your notes like subject and type, and then later you can filter all notes of the same type, or same subject, or both, or any tag that is convenient for you.

Tho you can prob get the samein a bunch of other programs.

>>107112289
thanks

>>107087015
sweet is that a gamecube?

>>107112289
While we're on the topic, I wish Obsidian allowed tagging canvas objects. Technically, you can do it with hashtags, but that ugly and annoying to do.

>>107090061
>Cry harder freetard, but there is no substitute.
There is, and it's called Obisidian.

>>107091081
We really do need a recurring /ppg/ thread.

>>107090581
Who's going to tell this retarded Zoomer about power and internet outages?

>>107111595
>>107106865
NEETs are a scourge on society.

>>107095131
Just use plain-text notes, anon.

>>107099037
its one of the essential tools when you work in UI/UX field
Its slightly bloated but aesthetically pleasing (my number one criteria when selecting software) - so my project notes look fancy

>>107096421
I tried doing voice notes for some time and things got quickly disorganized. Wouldn't recommend unless you are willing to spend significant amounts of time double checking all of your recordings

i just use paper

>>107113059
I add a bunch of pictures and write the notes in tables, so tables are a must sadly. I tried to think of ways to do this in simpler editors, but it's not possible.

>>107113134
>add a bunch of pictures and write the notes in tables, so tables are a must sadly.
What kind of notes are you taking that require tables?

>>107113166
nta but literally anything that is a list of further lists

how do you work with computers and not see the point of a table?

>>107090717
I thought a core principle behind Obsidian is to avoid folders and a complex file system?
Most users dump all their notes into one path.

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https://digimezzo.github.io/site/
>DOPAMINE >KNOWTE
thoughts on these?

>>107087519
I've been taking notes of all sort of ideas for over a decade and now with ai is getting easier to work on them, sometimes you'll wake up 3am with some idea or vision and forget about it 10 seconds later.

Also I take notes on stuff I've watched or want to watch/read, quotes/articles, etc

>>107113191
Tables are for data.
With notes, you don't need anything more than paragraphs and lists.

>>107113166
language learning

I fell for it because I was using OneNote, which is a buggy mess that thankfully was abandoned on Windows 10. The only thing I don't like on Obsidian is having image files visible on the same folder as the note. Other than that, it serve its purpose.
>>107087519
I read some of them everyday.
I go through some of my programming notes every week.
>>107087677
I can see myself doing something similar, but I think its possible to just stop along the way and realize you should only take notes when you know you'll need them later.

>>107113166
>What kind of notes are you taking that require tables?
I have a workflow where I organize requirements, meeting notes, progress notes, etc. in tables with a bunch of screenshots and shit.
I absolutely need to put formatted text in multiple columns, be able to easily resize and move around images, and I need to be able to zoom into just one part of the big table.
OneNote is the only one that can actually do this. Nothing else comes close.

>>107113134
how about you don't be retarded and just learn org/markdown tables if they are that important to you , its one step above plain text , you'll be ok.

this anon is right
>>107113270

what notebook actually needs table-tier organization for any practical purpose? Incredibly inefficient way to get the information across unless this is a public doc and tables are needed for executives or other parties to read the information neatly - if it's JUST for you , you are being retarded

>>107113737
>OneNote is the only one that can actually do this.

Well its obvious you have a business use case, note taking applications suggested here are typically in the context of private or personal scrap notes for personal journals or similar goals , just keep using OneNote

>>107113191
>a list of further lists
You could use an outliner with indents for this

Obsidian DB are the future. I can't wait until they make an SQL replacement.

>>107087519
I don't use Obsidian the way productivity gurus tell you. I may use 1% of Obsidian's potential and that's okay. All I ever needed was markdown, cross-platform use and the daily notes; I don't even use back-linking that much.
>How often do you read back trough your notes?
I don't actively study, so pretty much never. At most I will keep a cheat sheet or like some other anon said, I just keep steps for troubleshooting certain things.
>What kind of subjects are they about?
>cheat sheets for programming languages or tools
>daily notes (AKA whatever)
>troubleshooting guides
>checklists for video games I play
>brainstorming for personal projects
And that's pretty much it.
>I can't ever seem to get into it
It's not that deep, just use it as a slightly organized place to keep stuff you don't want to forget or get lost.

Sometimes it's good for formalizing your hand-written notes & interlinking shit that's related. I produce music & use it as a way to document lyrics, tempo, time signature, musical key all in one document. Then I have each song linked in a clean, easily read track list page where I can write notes about what stage in the writing/recording process it is & what still needs to be done for each to be considered "finished". It would be a massive pain in the ass to do this in an IRL notebook. I can take brief session notes and write lyrics in a notebook to start off, but it all gets organized and put into obsidian.

I wouldn't use it as my only way to take notes, but sometimes learning & note-taking isn't organized...like sometimes textbooks will decide some aspect of a thing you're learning will distract you from the current lesson, even if it's relevant to the broader scope of the thing...so when you eventually get that information in a later chapter, it might be nice to eventually go through and digitize your notes & to re-organize them in a hierarchy which respects your increasing understanding of the way the different concepts connect to one another.

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>>107113042
If it's any consolation, I am trying to use my NEET powers for good by working on a tech project. Maybe it will even be profitable some day.

But useless information is still pure nourishment to me.

>>107113788
>just keep using OneNote
It makes me want to kill myself because its search functionality is so broken it's basically non-existent