Will Jai be what C++ wanted to be? It seems to have a lot of hype, and one of the greatest technical minds of several generations is working on it.
>>107096959C++ wanted to be C# + AOT but it failed miserably.
>>107096959even the shittiest llvm frontend is 10000x better than this school project
>>107097004>school project>one of the fastest, cleanest languages ever developed>school project
>>107096959Why has he still not released any preview?
>>107097015Jonathan Blow is who you mean, and yes he's pretty widely regarded as one of the top programmers in the world now. Watch the Jai demo:https://youtu.be/IdpD5QIVOKQFast language for fast minds.
>>107097022It's literally vaporware. Post code or stop posting.
>>107097084The entire demo is filled with code examples.
>>107097325Then you're screwing yourself. And yes, Jonathan Blow is extremely well regarded, he's on a tier with anyone. He developed one of the cleanest, fastest languages in the world in his spare time, that sort of talent doesn't grow on trees.
>>107097477He has not released anything and thus it could all be made up
>>107097528The language is currently being used in a gated preview which has produced a lot of praise.
>>107097022>fastestmeaningless>cleanestmeaningless
>>107097571What have you worked on? What have you shipped?
>>107096959Thanks but I'm sticking with C++.
>>107096975C# can be up to an order of magnitude slower than C++ doing vector math. C# is not made for doing real work. If I wanted a slow, high level language I would use something like Ocaml or even F# because at least they are nice to use unlike the OOP hellscape of C#.
>>107096959>Jai>lot of hypewhere?
>>107097599Nta, but why is that relevant?
>>107097739Jai has the potential to be faster than C++ or even C
>>107096959>String ! class_namelanguage trannies will never have taste for syntax, what the fuck is this, why are you screaming at me>String!???fucking retard
>>107096959No it will not be anything worth a damn.
>>107096959>One of the greatest technical mindsDecent bait
>>107097777Because it's important to know who is saying it "won't be anything worth a damn", productive people who know the topic, or fake job work from home Gamer types who think they know something because they ran netstat once. Everyone technically inclined is talking about Jai and the talk is "it's fast, it's good", so who are these other people?
>>107097044The compiler and everything leaked a few months ago. Its pretty meme tier desu
>>107098261still more stable than r*st
>>107098261Jai keeps C’s low-level control but adds modern ergonomics, metaprogramming, and tooling that cut boilerplate and catch more mistakes at compile time. The meme is OOP.
>String ! class_name;dropped
I mean, sure, come up with a cliche 90s-esque name for the language, but surely, try not to make it so try hard surely. Be witty at least call it BigNiggerRapeBuckBroken++
>>107096959C++ wasn't a product taht "wanted to be" anythingthat's not how it emerged
>>107098942It wanted to be an improvement to C and to the ability to model the world.
>>107098885>modern ergonomicsjust use c++>metaprogrammingjust use c++ with codegen scripts>toolingc++ has mature tooling
>>107099061Handwaving. “Just use C++” concedes the point. To mimic Jai you stack libraries, templates, build files, and generators. More surfaces. More failure modes. Less checking where it matters.In Jai, compile time is code you write in the language. It can read inputs, inspect real types, and insert functions into the same unit the optimizer sees. One toolchain. One set of errors. In C++, codegen runs outside the compiler and emits text. The compiler then guesses at your intent. When it breaks you debug the generator, the emitted code, and the build graph. That drag is the cost you are ignoring.
That code looks like golang
I'm quite eager to try it out.Rust as a concept appeals to me but the syntax and featureset make it a non-starter in my book. Beyond that the tooling / LLVM isn't appealing. Rust and C++ projects take an eternity to build and produce a ton of intermediate garbage, enough that I'd be concerned doing rapid development on an SSD.Jai seems a little more sensible in these regards.The syntax isn't the worst thing I've ever seen, it has some convenience features but doesn't try to go C++ style of incorporating everything. I know at some point (maybe even still) it depends on LLVM but his demos where he builds projects from scratch is enough evidence for me to be interested.Could be an interesting systems language for performance critical stuff.But honestly most of the software I write is NOT performance critical and I very much enjoy the convenience of not having to manually manage memory.But if I needed to do anything related to graphics I'd probably consider using this for it.
>>107099178NTA, but just use Nim. Nim has compile time code, can compile C++ code, and most importantly, is downloadable today, not in 2070.
>>107099306Meant Zig. Nim is shit.
>>107099312Have you tried Nig? It's the best of Nim and Zig rolled into one nigger.Nig is the niggest niggerlicious programming languages since bucks were broken.
>>107099347It do be like that
Jai honestly seems like the future.
>>107099940So, basically, it's black.
Jai is a gai name for a programming language.How about Bumfuk?
>>107099306Nim has can modify the AST at compile time, chud.
>>107100427And it's not a good as it's successor, Nig.
>>107096959>Part_Member>class_name>favorite_color>current_levelsubtle
Why do you guys always need to hop to another language? What do you do that requires new languages?
>>107097477gay-coded post
>>107096007
>>107100729kek
>>107096959so he is one of those people who completely misunderstood what criticism of bad syntax highlighting was all about?not highlighting strings and constants is crazyhe is already highlighting comments so he does not have any ground to stand on in regards to>highlighting is pontless
Nothing beats C++
>>107096959>JaiI remember when he first started working on this. There wasn't really anything like it. Now there's Zig, Odin, Hare, ect.. but Jai is still in "closed beta".
>>107100831any reason jai is not open source other than pride?
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>>107100857Because OP is a shill
>>107100857So he can make big changes easily and doesn't have to deal with redditors
Just making a successful presentation with live debugging and problem solving like he just did is something 99% of /g/ wouldn't be able to do.
>>107096959>>107097022>>107097057>>107097477I know it's easy to rile up low IQ users but could we ever have a thread about Jai that isn't shitposting?
>>107100972nobody here knows anything
>>107102651It's not even that, even if you're an expert it will be difficult to make such presentation unless you're good with presentations.
>>107096959nothing is replacing c/c++it doesn't matter how fast or whatever the new hotness is, market trends aren't going to start teaching some new language that won't help their already struggling graduates get a job.even if its half as fast as anyone makes it out to be, there's always something faster until you just start writing manual asm. thats the problem a lot of the fanboys here seem to not understand. for example, ada with the occasional asm will always be the gold standard for airplanes, nothing is going to change that it's been that way too long and changing is the most dangerous shit known to man because you instantly lose legacy code of over 20 years.tl;drif jai ever does release, it will be just like haskell. it was fun to play with, but its job market share and usability in the work force will be sub 1%the only languages in danger are c#/java. javas portability is already dead, its basically used on phones and legacy web shit that started with it, with many migrating to the .net umbrella/python/node. Unfortunately.. node isn't going anywhere either. The majority of job market is filled with things where an extra 10-100ms means fucking nothing, so languages like javascript and python will slowly take over. C# will be kept afloat by how usable it is on azure.thanks for coming to my ted talk
>>107097057>yes he's pretty widely regarded as one of the top programmers in the world now.he's not that goodWhat are his achievements?
>>107103277Creating one of the fastest and most modern languages in his spare time for one thing.
>>107097057he's retarded>jai is non-fp but went to fp conference>emacs is not fp, but decided to use it for fp appropriation>C++ doesn't have it's own build system, and has to use makefile, therefore I must shit out jai totally necessaryI will continue watching the video and report more of his retardations
>>107099178static reflection is coming in c++26 and its looking very promising. in my ideal world after that stabalizes, they should make std2 completely from scratch using modules and static reflection and just freeze the STL
>>107103280>Creating one of the fastestThat would be C > most modern languagesThat would arguably goes to other languages, depending on what "modern" means to you. To me > idris > f*> austral > Val, Hylo, mojo better describes what a modern takes on programming should be
>>107103327>compares high-level language like lisp to turing machine, to make a point that lisp is shit
>>107103280> Creating one of the fastest and most modern languages in his spare time for one thing.And yet still inferior to LISP/CLOS, Dylan and Pharo
>>107103400>australis this ATS-lite?
>>107096959c++ is about optional abstraction, concurrency (which Stroustrup's phd thesis was about) and typing
>>107103544They are both based on linear type iirc, so in a way you can say that ATS was also pretty good if my memory serves me right
You joke but he is literally 100x smarter than Drew Default so almost nearing the average person
>>107105985talk is cheap show compiler source
is this a case of the scooby doo meme where they pull of the jai-maskonly to reveal llvm/clang
>>107106802Jai doesn't use LLVM though? You can still use LLVM but the x64 backend works fine.t. using the leaked compiler for a project
>>107097022if the language is as clean as jai claim, then he have dropped sources for it's compiler.also clean means nothing, when people haven been doing C for 50+ year at this point. try convincing a js/python dev to switch to another language because their language is unclean and has 1000+ ways of expressing the same statement.
>>107107514>t. using the leaked compiler for a projectWhere does one source such things?
>>107109142https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/jai-beta-2-009.zip/>>107107514how do you open these .bin files?
>>107096959The only reason people hate on C++ these days is because LLMs can't manage pointers.
>>107109811Thanks for finding them. It says right in the post: concatenate them and then rename them to a zip file.
>>107099061look at what they need to mimic a fraction of his power
>Jai
>>107097470What the fuck is this formatting? lmao
>>107096959don't care still just using c++
>>107097057>he's pretty widely regarded as one of the top programmers in the worldBy his / primagens jewtube cult?
>>107110059>concatenate them and then rename them to a zip file.I used cat and it didn't work.For anyone who had the same issue, use this:dd if=1.bin of=jai.zip bs=1M conv=notrunc dd if=2.bin of=jai.zip bs=1M oflag=append conv=notrunc Then use 7z x jai.zip.
by the time Jai arrives it will be irrelevant
>>107096959First you should know that 99% of the people on this board reinstall Linux just to change their window manager because they have no comprehension of technology. They cannot program either.
>>107103201Java will be the COBOL of the futurepeople will move on but legacy codebases will remain around
>>107112469cat works finecat 3gm8im.bin c223es.bin > jai.zipunzip jai.zip
cat 3gm8im.bin c223es.bin > jai.zip
unzip jai.zip
>>107100796C++ is eternal.
>>107097004From your post, I know for a fact that you regularly take random objects in your home and try to force them into your anus/colon.
>>107112497at least the java code that ends up like that can just remain an internally hosted api only hittable from the new apis being written on top of itwhat the fuck can we do with cobol at all
>>107103201I think new people are increasingly tired to C and C++. I don't want to write C++ because it's a clusterfuck of a language and as much as I admire C and C programmers, I don't want to use it because I hate dealing with header files and the atrocious build systems of that language. It's also missing some rather standard functionality that most programmers want as default in their language.Many people are desperate for the next generation of these systems level languages. Rust has already carved a little space for itself for example.
does he have a chinese peptide dealer yet, or can he no longer afford one?
