A buddy of mine works as a coder at FAANG (not going to say which one) He says they did some extensive large-scale testing of coding using LLMs, and it's 10x more productive.IMPORTANTLY, they don't just tell an LLM to code the whole application. They give it small tasks that would take a human 10-60 minutes and then they read what it wrote, and on to the next chunk.However, because coders are 10x more productive using this technique now, it makes sense to fire most of them, and his company is planning to do just that pretty soon. Other FAANGs will probably follow.I just want to say, thanks RMS! It's entirely your fault. You started the "free software" meme, and then LLMs got trained on all that free software (which was already undercutting professionals by being shitty yet cheap). And now 90% of us will be out of a job. If you haven't made enough money to retire, you are utterly fucked.
Ricardo Butaquero
If your work is so simple a monkey/bot can be replaced you then you didn't have job security to begin with.
>>107099330Sorry, I don't listen to hip-hop. I don't understand what you are trying to say.
>>107099359>If your work is so simple a monkey/bot can be replaced you then you didn't have job security to begin with.That's the thing. A monkey could not do it (or they'd be doing it -- monkeys are cheaper than SWEs). Even a bot cannot do it (you have to have a human in the loop). What a bot can do though, is make a human 10x more productive.Irregardless, 90% of us will be unemployed, and the other 10% will be working for peanuts, because of the oversupply of coders.
>>107099371Some English names sound funny in Spanish, that is all.>Stallman likes to speak in Spanish when he visits a Spanish-speaking country
>>107099392A full-on AGI wouldn't have been this bad, because then everyone would be out of a job, and we'd have UBI or something.But LLMs at their current level of (in)competence only affect SWEs.RMS fucked us.
>>107099392>what is creative destruction?>what do you mean there were more jobs for automotive manufacturing than the stables?>GUYS THE HORSE BREEDERS WILL BE OUT OF JOBS THEY'RE TAKIN URR JURRRBSThis is you.
>>107099596cope>We'll fire everyone and then hire 10% back for peanuts.-- Actual CEO (from a different company my buddy is at)
>b-but muh jobz. learning how to use computers has zero value to me if i cant generate goybux!these types of "people" deserve to lose everything, honestly.
>>107099274Linux, always late to the party.
>>107099274I'm at large cap company, but even here you're not wrong. That's the way management sees it. The thing is the hard stuff is still hard. The basic shit like front end tables and components and all that garbage is pretty much instant. I still adjust everything manually, but realistically I'm just a gachapon generate code button presser now.
>>107099632>learning how to use computersWhat an idiot. This thread is for SWEs. Be proud of your "learning to use a computer" somewhere else.
>>107099274Training LLMs on free software aught to be illegal. Mass theft of code without attribution is a menace. At least credit every single program and person that built your model.
>>107099274>They give it small tasks that would take a human 10-60 minutes and then they read what it wrote, and on to the next chunk.The LLMs are terrible at that too.
What happens in the other timeline where free software doesn't exist?
>FAGMANs getting fuckedniceI can even overlook the blatant license violations for that
>>107099274>FAANG
>>107100361This. FAGMAN is a far better descriptive.
>>107099274>Productive for who and to what goal?Come on people ask the questions and make them squirm.
>>107099274this totally happened, the useless shit you see is secretly 10x better, everything will be reveled in 2 weeks
>>107099274The end goal of FOSS was always to make every developer the same foot fungus eating working poor. Mission accomplishied.
>>107099392if you didn't suck, you would be in the group that got to stay and operate the new industrial slopcoder machine. why didn't you git gud? anyway there's still some jobs the computer won't take from you, like prostitution
I always see those "oh LLMs are so good now" "it's good, you just have to ask it small chunks" and down to "it's good for learning a new language" and I have yet to see one (1) actual successful usecase.So far I've seen one dude push "AI code" to a public github repo and it was literally a stump function that it would have taken faster to copy/paste and F2 the variables by hand than to infere let alone prompt.
>>107099725stupid nigger
>>107099274LLM are running on investors money. This will not last, prices will increase a lot. Plus of that, the demand of development is higher years after years. Price of a feature will decrease, while the amount a features to do will increase, whatever. A human is still required in the loop, since llm are fast, but not reliable due to their random nature.Honesty, it's not a much bigger threat than Indians.
To be honest, this seems much more like a skill issue on your and your friend's part than anything else. Maybe he works on some very simple web API with little business complexity. I tried using AI for some tasks at my job and that shit is far from performing mediocrely, much less well.Also, if you think the AIs were trained on GPL codes, know that you can simply sue the company in question. Programs that use GPL3+ infect the host program's license. This means that all these models out there should have their entire arses open to the public, which isn't going to happen any time soon. They at most release that gigantic blob, but the training set is completely secret.I even think that this will still be a watershed in the history of LLM. All it takes is for a competent judge to take the case and do justice.
>>107099274> However, because coders are 10x more productive using this technique now, it makes sense to fire most of themAnd they'll quickly find out it is was not true after all.Remember that pajeet hiring fad? Well that doesn't look like such a good deal anymore. It's basically the same thing that's happening today.
