>want to host my own email server>ask around on forums and subreddits >get 9000 reactions like pic related >basically a horde of people like>do you know the risks here?? do you have any idea what you are risking here? i don't think you understand the risks! stop it! stop right now!anyway what are some cool things you're hosting for yourself?
Go back. It's dangerous here.
>>107100849a minecraft server
I never bothered with my own email because I knew my domain would be filtered by any significant email providers as "spam".
>>107100877cant you send them to a friend who also hosts their email? or that gets blocked as well?
>>107100849it's not so much that it's dangerous or that there are "risks", it's just that your fancy new email server will be useless for anything except sending email to other autistic mailserver operators.>Can't use to verify anything because they have a whitelist of allowed domains>Can't use to email anyone using a normie mail service because it'll always go to the spam box>Don't really gain much privacy because everything is unencrypted unless you ONLY communicate with ultra autists using PGP and hosting their own mailservers
>>107100890Yes, but what's the point if all the big players filter your emails? Email is gatekept by big corpo domains.
>>107100903If you set up your mail server properly this doesn't happen.
>>107100849I think you can just use Mailinabox to easily get something running, but I've never tried it.>>107100981Then why does everyone seem to struggle with it? Everyone I've talked to said they gave up after a while because it was too much effort and you can never tell if your mail is actually being delivered.
>>107100900>you ONLY communicate with ultra autistssounds nice
>>107101013Maybe they're retarded.I followed this guide and it just works: https://poolp.org/posts/2019-09-14/setting-up-a-mail-server-with-opensmtpd-dovecot-and-rspamd/
>>107100849I always wanted to have my own email server to host off my home internet. However, every residential ISP blocks port 25 so it's basically a no go.
>>107101013Everyone struggles with different facets of it. IP reputation bullshit, bad AS, etc. anyone telling you their self-host works is full of shit. Even for receiving, some services just blackhole you so completely you won't even get email. Nowadays I only use mine for receiving and only because Google literally reads your emails. I rarely use email for communication outside of work so it doesn't hurt me too much.
>>107101025Cool gonna send dick pics to my boss
>>107101013Why are companies commonly using their own domains instead of gmail if it's such struggle? Setting up a mail server with all-in-one solution like Stalwart is simple, the only problem was automating the update of TLSA DNS records but you can just turn off DANE instead.>>107101033Get a VPS that allows personal mail server.
Don't listen to this demoralization postsIts just a bit harder to host it well configured so the mentioned doesn't happen but not impossible We host our own server for a project and it works fine/we are not mass blocked anywhereCheck out mail in a box
I went the easy route of getting a domain, paying for a mail hosting service (Proton, Tuta, etc) that accepts custom domains, and used that. Has been working great.Yes a smaller company still can access my emails, but at least it's not handed off on a plate to Google/Microsoft/Apple anymore and there's the tiny chance they deliver on their privacy promise (which is better than the 0% chance from the big companies).I still want to setup my own email server some day but I gave up for now due to the fearmongering described ITT.
https://jsteuernagel.de/posts/why-i-selfhost-my-email/
>>107100849I think receiving mails is never the problem. The problem is rather sending things to other servers that will block you on the slightest fuck up or your server having the wrong IP. Think some services (if i remember microshit) will just categorically ignore you but i could be wrong with that. Also uptime could be a problem where if your server was down while you should've received some mail, you'd never get it but thats more or less a skill issues
>>107102256is there a way without a dockerized opaque shitpile?
>>107102345>is there a way without a dockerized opaque shitpile?just using the same services but without docker?
>>107101070>Even for receiving, some services just blackhole you so completely you won't even get email.Yeah this is the newest shit I've noticed too, the usual suspects seem to have started A/B testing not even delivering to anyone outside of their cartel anymore. I was about to say hosting your own email server only makes sense for a local network but no it fucking doesn't there are a billion better alternatives than (((email))) whatever it is you want to accomplish.
>>107101188Corpos either use Gmail with their own domain, Exchange with their own domain or if they're old, a local mailserver that forwards to a Microsoft Exchange Relay. Nobody has the time to fuck around with local Mailservers without a Relay that are open to get blacklisted when Accounting Roastie #382 clicks on a phishing link
>>107100849>hey guys how do I do host email?>people that have been hosting email servers for years or decades tell you to fuck off>W-WELL F-FUCK YOU I-I WILL DO IT MYSELF! ..h-h-hey guys h-how do I host e-email?>redditjakThe skiddies are going to have a fun day with your retarded ass.
>>107102345the installation is the smallest problem (and generally you can always ignore docker in guides like this, it is a useless layer of abstraction you're almost always better off without)
>>107102419>bro can you even comprehend LE RISK??
I host an email server for personal use. I don't send personal emails often, but if what I do send gets put into the void I probably don't want to interact with the person anyway. Why would I want to interact with people who willingly let strangers at jeet filled companies know everything about them and the people around them?
People are exaggerating the issues a bit. If you have SPF and DKIM and you aren't sending e-mail from a blacklisted IP range (which is actually difficult to find - almost every VPS provider that doesn't block port 25 is going to be blacklisted) it will mostly work.The only service that has genuinely given me headaches (even after giving up and switching to gmail's relay) is Microsoft's. It doesn't matter how many people mark your message as not spam, some messages will just get lost anyway (they won't even appear on DMARC reports).But yeah, avoid the headache and use someone else's server. It's not worth the headache.
>>107102437You are asking how to host something without docker muh risk is the least of your concerns.
>>107102513>blacklisted IPsWhat about using your residential IP if it is static?
>>107102664Honestly idk what their policy is - whether they ban IPs or whole blocks at once, but I would just pray nobody else in your IP block is a spammer/nobody else has been infected by a virus that uses residential machines to send viagra spam.
In my experience most big providers receive your mails just fine, unless your IP is on some unholy blocklist, then you are fucked.Only Microsoft WILL put you into spam no matter what you do. It's fucked. I have an old MS account and tons of legitimate mail is put into spam, you cannot turn this off either.This is actually what prompted me to self-host. Especially since they do not serve spam via IMAP and delete all mails there after 30 days.
