Making the main post since there isn't one here.

>Interviewing
Be good at Leetcode and projects, but also work on soft skills.

>Employment
If you really can't find a tech job and you're no longer in school etc., try for McJobs, since even those look better than unemployment. Worst case scenario, like nearing homelessness, enlist in the military (though this'll only work if you're physically ept)

>Grad school
Could be another option to re-qualify for internships and newgrad, though only do this if you know you're actually qualified and just got unlucky, vs. genuinely unqualified.

>Recommended reading
Meditations of Marcus Aurelius and other stoic stuff atp honestly. Gen Z really seems to have been dealt the worst hand.

>>107101649
You forgot stratascratch, the leetcode for data engineers.

https://platform.stratascratch.com

>>107101821
Cool resource, wish I had this a year or two ago

Had an interview today where I was told it would be about AWS and databases, so I read up for hours about that, but turns out the interview didn't even have any discussion whatsoever about those things.

>>107102139
It's still to come.

So that trump shit actually worked huh

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it's fucking over

>>107102451
???

how many of you actually don't have a job?
how long have you been unemployed for?
degree or no degree?
yoe?

>>107102869
>degree or no degree?
...

how the fuck the least thread was deleted?

>>107102869
No job, "voluntarily" resigned for severance.
About four months.
B.Eng.
8 years.

>>107102869
Employmentally challenged for half a year now, with a degree and 3 years of experience

>>107101340
I recomment kill the demiurge, the antichrist

>>107103018
Same

>>107103018
>>107103099
literally me, I haven’t been practicing leetcode either so I’m probably cooked

>>107101649
>Be good at Leetcode and projects
Don't need any of this if you had the right friends and partied with the right people during college.

>>107102563
Learn a trade.

>>107102869
I haven't gotten a single interview. The furthest I got was a phone screen from a recruitment agency I contacted weeks before, and despite connecting on LinkedIn there was no followup after that and an email. I did secure an internship but its unpaid. I now have 4 months of internship experience that is still ongoing and still nothing. Recent CS grad (graduated with >3.5 GPA in May).

It's quite puzzling, some friends who I previously had to carry through courses and clearly sucked at math and coding have secured Fortune 500 jobs (especially some incompetent women).

>>107102869
OP here. Am still a senior, and at a T50 uni. Still no job offer tho. Actually do have PT exp pertaining to CS but still nothing major or at a major company.

Would link to my previous reply but OP fucked up or something and I'm not searching the archives. I'm the guy who got ghosted after getting an informal offer through email. The email said if I reply that I want the position he would send a contract. Then never got a response. I am well aware that chances are approaching zero, but he had been so positive previously I am holding out hop something weird happened with messaging. I gave it until today in case he reached out after the weekend but now I am going to attempt contact through linkedin under "what do I have to lose" and if he really did ghost me after extending an offer and my attempts at reaching him are annoying him that's fine with me.

Thoughts on trying to message the company vs sending an invite to the guy first than trying to message him. The company is very small and he controls many of the emails, I have no doubt he is the owner of the company's linkedin.

>>107104284
These people will smile and say you're the perfect candidate, and then discard you with no explanation. Don't trust a single fucking word they say.

>>107102869
8mo out from an engineering degree, BSc. Got interviews. Never got hired. Never got work experience. Can't get experience without getting hired. Can't get hired without experience, even with an inside connection. I am competent, but everyone always hires the 30-something retarded army man instead of the 20-something fresh grad. Why did I spend all those years studying if the reward was getting talked down to and rejected?
I am about to go Falling Down lol

>>107103938
>I did secure an internship but its unpaid. I now have 4 months of internship experience that is still ongoing and still nothing.
Keep it up, scrub those toilets and rack up that mythical "experience" stuff so you can get an actual job.

>>107101649
>recommending a a book of private notes written by a literal emperor to a bunch of displaced people
I hate this meme.
Stoicism was a philosophy for the aristocracy, not for the plebs.

Recommending Meditations to people who are exhausted and displaced is a bit ironic when you remember what it actually is. It is the private journal of an emperor, the most powerful man on earth telling himself to endure the burdens of unimaginable privilege.

Stoicism wasn’t designed as a philosophy of liberation. Historically it functioned as a toolkit for the aristocracy. A way for rulers and elite bureaucrats to keep their inner composure while maintaining the social order. For someone living at the bottom, its core message becomes the following.

"Don’t resent your circumstances. Don’t challenge authority. Accept the world as it is."

For the plebeian, this is basically a philosophy of quiet defeat.

There are other philosophical traditions that offer resilience without affirming the status quo, and that actually validate righteous anger and the desire for material justice. Stoicism is great for emotional discipline, but it was never meant to empower the powerless.

Why do I have to fight tooth and nail to get into a PhD?
I have years of experience

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Everyone here needs to stop the Hinduphobia. Indian Hindus are losing their coding jobs which means being denied the chance to migrate to the US, and that means death. You are literally causing a Hindu genocide, and you're laughing. You're laughing!!!

>>107104712
They don't really care to be honest. They do so much for free. I've seen indians commenting on paki news site comment sections where nobody ever writes anything except them.

Look at the dead comment section of any news website for any country, you might see indians commenting there. These people don't value their time.

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Has the internet been lying to me? This is a well paying mid level job that doesn't require a security clearance or anything like that and only 16 people have applied to it in a whole month.

>>107103960
>op
Oops I meant the 2nd person, like the guy who rewrote the typical "OP".

>>107103938
I actually have a combination of paid non-intern tech exp and non-paid intern tech exp, my situation's weird af

Still not getting jobs, but at least I'm getting INTERVIEWS at a moderate rate

Had an HR lady reschedule an interview that ended up never happening tho... hooray

>>107105526
It's because it uses PHP.

>>107105686
PHP is the best language for web dev though.

>>107102869
Cybersec degree, linux&ai implementation experience, graduating in under two months, no offer

starting to wish I was born as a minority

Do you guys only apply to jobs in your city or are you applying all over the country?

>>107106014
All over the country as long as it's in a sizeable metro area. Doesn't matter whether it's San Francisco, New York, Boston, Chicago, or Des Moines.

I keep reading online that candidates are "using AI to apply for jobs". is anyone here doing that? how does it even work?

>>107106113
I tried using AI to rewrite my resume and all it did was make it incomprehensible. It just randomly adds keywords to all your bullet points with no regard for whether they make any sense in the context of that job.

>>107106143
It's probably decent at spitting out corposlop that the HR roasties want to see on your resume

>>107106221
If it is, even the HR roasties are sick of seeing the corpo talk and our puposefully discarding an app they decide was AI generated

>>107106113
No. Recruiters aren't gonna read through all of that AIslop anyway.

I ran out of Gemini tokens, I guess it's time to boot up Claude.

These AIs all have shitty names, designed by subhumans.

>>107106113
Cover letters need to be tailored to the position.
Every job requires a cover letter. So you have to use AI to write a cover letter integrating your skills to the jobs.

>>107105923
>Cybersec degree, linux&ai implementation experience, graduating in under two months, no offer
I didn't let this happen to me, I had 2 offers 3 months before graduating. But that was years ago. You should have started applying in January. My sister had a job offer 7 months before graduation because she was diligent.
The market now is way worse, there's no jobs out there, never seen anything like it.


>starting to wish I was born as a minority
Lmao you don't have access to pajeet unemployment numbers? They are 100x higher.

I'm not a techworker, I'm 28 or 29 idk and unemployed what are my options? I'm content homeless NEETing but I'm curious why you guys aren't satisfied with the same?

>>107102869
>many of us
>6 months
>degree in cybersec
>4 years of experience

>>107106557
I enjoy having a home.

>>107106620
Fair, in California at least they are all moldy burdens that reek of formaldehyde. Not worth it for me, but you do you.

>>107106643
I wanted a home in california because every person there gets a 200k starting. But now that looks unrealistic because even if I manage to buy it I could get fired and be unable to pay the mortgage

>>107106714
Just rent for more than the mortgage (probably doesn't work any more)

>>107106735
Everything hinges on not getting fired.
I got fired for the first time this year and realized how fragile we are. We live in fear.

>>107106759
You were supposed to take your massive salary and use it to get passive income from rentoids. You failed the shittest

>>107106767
I never had a massive salary.

Yooo it's getting crazy out there, what the fuck is going on?

I wish there was a website that would just show you a list of jobs that provide actual value to real people and not just paper value to some company or entertainment value. It's so easy to just end up infront of a computer doing nothing all day.

>>107104670
After all, the Western canon (the one that matters anyways) is deeply rooted in Christianity.
You should watch some clips from Charls Carroll, everything he says is right and Jesus-pilled

>>107106798
Essential workers and people who install and maintain physical infrastructure. Companies nominally create some of that infrastructure, but it's a lottery if you are going to actually help them do that and not just create abstract value for the company by making internal slides for alignment of corporate charkras.
The "easiest" to get into is probably amazon delivery driver but it's a tough job suitable only for browns with their superior physical characteristics and large swinging pendulous gloriously musky, lightly misted with fragrant perspiration, chocolate nuts.

>>107101649
>>107106557
An alternative to military if you have a clean driving record is Trucking.

Better pay and lower commitment, there's companies that offer training like Scheider, Knight, Werner, or Roehl. The numbers vary but usually it's 12 months of work to get a free CDL or you can repay them $1,000-$3,000 and leave immediately.

Free bus ride down to their headquarters, free hotel while you're training (with a roommate usually)

Ask a lot of questions and shop around different companies. They're always hiring because drivers are always getting sick of being OTR after the adventure wears off.

>>107105923
The only minorities getting jobs are jeets working for pennies or black and asian women in HR adjacent positions.

I am not economically viable.

>>107101340
>choosing to live past 18
ngmi

>>107106557
I don't get neetbux :(

>>107106860
I'm convinced by this post that 60% of 4chan posts is just an AI being prompted to make post with the first half being reasonable human dialogue and the second half being the most unhinged sub human ramblings a person can come up with.

>We regret to inform you that we have decided to select a different candidate whose qualifications more closely match the requirements of the job.

This is for a position I applied for in July btw. Wonderful.

>>107106463
I have been applying since Dec. '24
poor luck ig

>>107106964
Just be a woman and apply to any Fortune 500, the DEI quotas means you get every opportunity automatically.

Programming is now considered an art by normies. Theres professional illustrators but they're rare and desu making money making your own product off of this is quiet easy.

>>107106922
I've thought about doing this. What is the average pay if I can access each coast within a day? I've paid for shipping cars from each within the last few years, and it's not cheap. Guy usually has 6+ cars per haul and just drives coast to coast. I live in the middle, so it would be pretty advantages for me logistically.

What are projected earnings for one started from scratch? Not into CS gambling right now, but thinking of doing AI porn site and I guess our payment structures would be similar (ghost site setup for payments).

>>107107292
>>107107319

>>107104634
>I am competent, but everyone always hires the 30-something retarded army man instead of the 20-something fresh grad.
There are two glaring reasons for that.

>>107106014
>>107106032
This, but not those cities, and within drivable distance to the countryside (<45 mins).
Pay is lower, but cost of living is soooo much lower you're actually making more.

>>107106432
>Every job requires a cover letter
I'm almost 40 and average moving to a different company every five years since I was a teenager. Never submitted a dumb ass cover letter. You're either concise with your skills and how you meet their requirements and add value to the company, or you don't.

>>107103938
>lists mid gpa as his primary credential
>”spent a lot of time carrying other people “
You gave your time as charity to people who couldn’t pay you back. If you’re going to help people in a profession, ESPECIALLY in school, it needs to be in a way that nets you recognition for the effort. Any time spent on undocumented charity is as good as time on video games and weed to employers.

>>107107458
There are people like you born with a golden spoon in their mouth and people who have to submit a cover letter.

>>107104634
>everyone always hires the 30-something retarded army man instead of the 20-something fresh grad. Why did I spend all those years studying if the reward was getting talked down to and rejected?
Noticed that every company asks for the veteran status. Did trump implement veteran diversity quotas?

>>107106798
https://layoffs.fyi/
Pretty good filter of who is in need, if you show up on that list you're not.
Also, mergers and aquisitions are a big thing for companies, and they almost always result in layoffs if it's software related and the shutting down of that company, so keep that in mind.

>>107107486
>cover letter
Taleo doesn't care about the format of the document.

>>107107492
>Noticed that every company asks for the veteran status. Did trump implement veteran diversity quotas?
see >>107107363
Military is a springboard for both huge org design, and introduction to government and politics for most that join. If they have a security clearance that basically pays for their salary in most cases, and makes you more eligible for securing a gov contract that pays reddit gold and gets the stock price going. It's pretty simple.

>>107107570
I thought people looked down on gov jobs for being do nothing jobs where you don't learn anything and make little money.

>>107107705
>I thought people looked down on gov jobs for being do nothing jobs where you don't learn anything and make little money.
???
You can be 17 yo and join the military and get a Top Secret, get trained in how to manage networks, fly aircraft, do RF related stuff for airspace or in space, or just learn a trade. You get free housing, food, clothing, and a paycheck. It's a life hack if you don't have anything going on locally, can't afford to move, and want to start over somewhere else with new skills for a profit.
Tech faggot always talk shit about the military, but the DoD is the largest investor in silicon valley.

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>>107107319
Brother my pitch is disruptively revolutionary. I do not say that lightly. The sky is the limit.

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>>107107743
do not listen to this faggot, do not work for ZOG

>>107107836
>work for ZOG
It's a very redpilling experience anon.

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>>107107888
I bet it is. t. NATO-can-fuck-up-a-wetdream-enjoyer

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wow I think microsoft has the single worst application portal of any f500 company
>doesnt work on mobile, whatsoever
>doesnt tell you the status of your applications
>slow as fuck
>checking your "inactive" applications literally bricks your browser and stops you from going back to your "active" applications

>>107107743
Why the fuck would anyone do something that would have the remote chance of making them die for Israel?

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>>107107434
Then not dfw tx that area sucks ass if you love outdoor stuff

I'm not asking for a faang 200k job all I want is SOMETHING i can live and date on

If I have that I succeed if I dont I fail

I hate my fucking conservative parents and their conservatism if I have to live with em for half my 20s or beyond I feel like im gonna do something violent

>>107106821
Oh, you white "heritage westerners" and your magical flying Jew...

>>107108163
>the remote chance of making them die for Israel
Currently doing it pay free anon, actually you're paying them.

my job is really comfy and I choose my own hours. I was neet for a decade before getting into robotics. I just decided not to be a loser anymore, got a shitty gig app job, used thay exp to get into a warehouse at a company you used this week, then moved to their robotics team after goving 150% at the entry levek job for four months. I was neet longer than most of you and I am pribably nearly double your age so dont ever lose hope.

>>107108754
Thanks for the positive post.

>>107102869
me
last work 3 years ago
last degree 1 year ago
1 yoe

>>107107151
I love getting this for junior positions and then they say "keep a lookout for better matches!" suck my nigger sack

>>107102869
unemployed
a little over a year (wasn't really looking for like 8 months, just fucking around and neeting)
no degree
4 yoe

If I fuck up the interview I have tomorrow I'll buy myself a visual novel and laze around for 3-4 days.

How long after a final round interview do they usually contact you? I did two last week :'(

>>107109259
probably next year at this point.

if you're in programming just make an onlyfans

>>107109282
How's the demand for far neckbeards?

I shifted my backup plan from trades to teaching since I apparently could immediately have math, cs, and a couple science certs

Had a few takehome projects already from different positions I applied for, starting to plan a personal project to learn stuff I'm actually interested in, hoping come January the job market is better (honestly, it was better in October than it was in September and August, many more callbacks and moving deeper into the interview process before being ghosted)

I like working with Claude, helps me just get started and working consistently

>>107107743
Maybe that is good advice for a new grad who has never had a real job, I'm in my mid 30s with 10+ YOE

>>107107743
If you have a clearance, you have access to jobs that probably won't ever be offshored, there are jobs that won't be offshored you can get without a clearance (lots of stuff in healthcare) too

If it's a big nig job that requires competence they will pay for you to get a clearance if necessary

>>107107492
That has been standard for at least the last decade

>>107109389
>10+ YOE
Uni is a scam, they will cash you in for a degree, more for exp.

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>>107102869
It depends on what you're refering to when talking about a "job".

I do have a professional calling, a vocation. A raison d etre. An Ikigai. One that i'm recognized for by my peers as well.

I would not call it a "job", however.

A "job" is slop you clock in to so you can pay the bills.

A vocation, in stark contrast to the above, is reflecting the innermost core of one's very soul

>>107109470
sure buddy but don't stay out too late or mommy will withhold your allowance again, capiche?

I've got a job offer that I am starting next Monday, but it is really interesting to look at the other jobs I applied for statistically
>15% response rate
>2% phone screening rate
>1% interview rate
Fascinating.

>>107107151
>>107108990
>>107109259
Jobs and women are the same: expect nothing from them and move on immediately. If they're interested they'll find a way to contact you.

Haven’t graduated yet but just landed a job helping phd students do ai research, only got this position because I’ve become known as “the ai guy” amongst peers as I took one class and did a presentation one time for a club. It takes so little to ai grift, even in academics, so I’m hoping I can just run with this and somehow ride the hype into a position of security before the bubble pops.

>first interview goes well
>wait 2 weeks, recruiter calls me
>"we'll be moving on to second interview phase, expect to hear from us soon"
>2 weeks later, radio silence
>e-mail polite follow-up asking him for an update
>he answers the same day "you'll receive the invitation in the coming days"
>1 week later, still nothing

what do bros? I feel like I'm being played around with here. should I write a second follow-up or wait it out a bit?

>mandatory office days
How long before I become a regular here?

>>107102869
only worked for free in a lab
my life
yes MSc
0
shits fucked going to be a wizard soon.

>>107101340

Mid-to-late 40's aged technology pro here. After nearly 20 years of computer programming, I ended up between jobs and nobody would hire me anymore for anything in the entire tech sector. Not programming, not admin work, not lead work....nada. Then I started applying for other non-tech job openings and couldn't land those either. No interviews, much less getting hired. Ultimately ended up getting "lucky" and landed a job delivering pizza that paid around 13 per hour on average after tips. Had to answer to assistant managers less than half my age who had an superiority complex since they had the luxury job of making the pizza and sending the drivers home early during the down time for slightly more money than we earned. We were considered idiots for voluntarily killing our cars off while getting paid less than they were getting paid, and these brats couldn't be convinced that the world simply didn't want to hire us anymore; they just wrote the drivers off as lazy idiots and treated us accordingly. I eventually got the hell out of there and away from these fuckheads after about 6 months of tolerating their shit and started doing ride-share work. I still can't get hired doing anything else. Doesn't matter what job it is; everyone wants prior experience. Can't get out of the paradox of not being able to get experience because I don't already have experience. Meanwhile I'm just watching the mileage meter on my car climb in dread, knowing the car will eventually die and I won't be able to afford to buy another one because the job doesn't pay enough to save up money to buy another car while getting my bills paid. If I use a rental car, I won't be able to pay for basic necessities. Getting trained up with more certs and/or a masters degree doesn't seem wise; I'll just end up in student loan debt and still won't be getting hired due to age-ism in hiring practices. Fuck this new day and age. It sucks.

>>107112287
Have you ever thought about writing your own software to sell?

are online job fairs are worth attending? I never got into the networking thing so I don't understand what to do there.

>>107112355
Sure, I thought about it. Fact remains that solo entrepreneural software development and sales just doesn't bring in the kind of money that being an employee programmer brings in. Nevermind the fact that you're effectively living as a hermit in the closet with almost no human contact; you might as well be entombed.

The good news is, Carnival Cruise lines finally responded to my application and said they'd get back to me, check their website for updates.
The bad news is, I submitted the job application back in 2021. That is some serious ghosting.

>>107102869
since i was born
3 years ago
0 yoe

>>107112358
Even the in person ones are fucking worthless atm. Too many fucking candidates they don't really feel the need to snatch people.

>>107103877
Can't imagine

>>107108754
In case this is not a larp:
anon please tell us more, how did you pull this off? Hourlong skill grinding sessions fueled by enormous amounts of caffeine or stims?
Im stuck in a soulsucking dead end job where I dont have the energy to learn something in the evening but I know that I desperately need a plan B (I can feel the layoffs coming already)

I'm not a neet, I'm an indie game developet in stealth stage

neet bros...im scared

>>107102869
I was unemployed for 8 months until I found a marketing dept. job. My CS degree is basically worthless

>recruiter calls with a solemnt voice about "not good news"
>But I have always been rejected both in jobs and relationships so it doesn't affect me at all
Lmao, guy was disappointed of the indifference. Sorry man, you did your best.

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I had two interviews tody as a third company is scrambling to put together a contract. It's all a bit overwhelming.

>>107112743
I realized I'm so so far away from getting hired. Probably won't make it in time.

>>107112287
can't you just hit up previous employers/bosses and ask them for leads?

>>107112818
didn't you get a job few months ago? or was that another pedophile?

>>107102869
No job.
3 years as of yesterday.
CS degree.
27 years of IT experience.

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>>107102869
I'm working part time now, so my NEET days are over.

I just landed a PhD interview in a small city five hours away.
I wonder if I should accept this and how I can manage it. Small cities are where people go to die, I want to live in my big city. I wonder if I can commute.

I know I have to say yes because making 50k a year while researching and studying is better than rotting away unemployed.

>>107108479
He's right

>>107113084
how long have you been looking for a job? how many applications? interview rate?

>>107112579
Skill issue.

>>107113194
This is the 7th interview. It's been 3 months and 5 days of searching. Excluding the 1 month notice period before getting fired.
200+ applications.

Alright now I just have to write a 750 word essay on change control, make a UML diagram, and make a class based component design for a smart home thermostat with a data flow diagram, state chart, activity diagram and interface descriptions and design the user interface and testing plan and justify them. I'm going to be freaking rich once I graduate.

>>107113518
Normalize punching boomers in the face

>>107113518
>once I graduate.
You kids are taking advice from the wrong thread.
When you're in education you are NOT UNEMPLOYED.

>>107113664
Sure you are, what are you talking about?

What state is livable with 220k base? Remote offer but cost of living is ass everywhere now

>>107113876
Alaska
>inb4 n-no! but what about-
Nigger, just go to Alaska already, what the fuck are you waiting for?

>>107102563
bro, u hacked my email?

>>107103883
Boomers are all gay and retarded, so no.

FUCK MY NIGGER LIFE

>>107113893
I would, but I think I have to stay in a time zone where I can collaborate with EU niggers. Probably Central time at a max.

>>107113876
Colombo Sri Lanka. Cape town south africa. Warsaw Poland. Sardinia Italy.

You don't need to live in the united states with a remote job.

>>107114247
>You don't need to live in the united states with a remote job.
Depends. Many companies will not bother with payroll for other countries. You'd need to find one that does or be self-employed.

>>107114247
I do, unfortunately. Have to work on federal government support cases which requires the responder to be on US soil

>>107102869
i signed a permanent contract today and have been working 7 months now. i was basically a neet for 6 years and doing a degree for 4. previous job experience was 3 months of gardening over 10 years ago.

>Got an OA
>Two weeks to "start" it whenever
is it finally happening, bros????

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>>107114749
Hopefully you studied.
Now cheat without feeling bad.

>>107114859
need to brush up on lc. was busy learning React and other shit for the past week or two and let my lc slip.
god I hate 2 or 3 dimensional dp problems, fucking stupid.

>>107114021
Mine too. This shit is really starting to deplete me bros

>>107114894
Always cheat, everyone is cheating anyway

First day of searching for a part time job. Wish me luck. Driving to a nearby outdoor mall (one that for some reason actually still thriving) and walking around for help wanted signs. I know it's not the most efficient way but I am convinced going outside will be good for me after submitting so many unread application online

>>107114959
Have you considered a PhD?

>>107104712
You need to stop the toiletphobia. They're made to receive your waste and will not steal your soul at all.

>>107114959
post the sign

>>107107934
Go die in a drone video, Alenka.

>>107115020
I refuse to poop in public.

>>107101340
>9-5
Excuse me, but it's actually 8-6.

>>107115013
I have one...

>>107115226
You twisted my arm mate

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Had to screen applications for an entry level position a high school student could do, and well over half of the 70+ applicants have master/phd. They went straight to the trash because why the fuck would someone so overqualified apply for an entry level role? You could easily land a job that makes 5-10x the pay, why would you waste my fucking time applying for a job you would obviously ditch in a month?

Holy shit I just had a great idea. You know how it's annoying when you get a 20 dollar gift card and you buy something worth 18 and then you throw away the gift card with 2 dollars on it? Well what if there were gift cards where like you can charge it once and it's linked to the gifter's bank account and you can charge it once up to the set limit and thats how much is charged to the card and the rest goes back to the gifters bank account?

>>107115839
>why the fuck would someone so overqualified apply for an entry level role?
Because the job market is very tight.

My sister just got her Ph.D and she's applying to whatever would fit her skills because she has a family to feed.

>>107115925
Get back in line

>>107115925
Okay well here's a pro tip, don't oversell yourself. I don't give a fuck if you have 20 years of experience or a phd, I need a monkey capable of running basic diagnostics and flipping a physical switch if the power goes out. When you waste my time applying with all these extra credentials it makes me think you're a fucking retard with an ego the size of the moon.

When did you realize that you are unemployable?

I got strung along through 4 technical interviews over a period of 2 weeks.
>after careful consideration we will not be moving forward with the recruitment process
Thank you for wasting my time, effort, and gas money you fucking demons.

>>107115839
>You could easily land a job that makes 5-10x the pay
No you can't.

>hy the fuck would someone so overqualified apply for an entry level role
Because they can't land a job that makes 5×10 the pay. You're lying. A PhD guy without much work experience doesn't land 300k job starting. He needs an entry level job.

I got an offer letter for "tech support intern", $28/hour. Was expecting a bit more to be honest. Worth pursuing or keep applying for something better?

>>107116155
The whole purpose of a PhD is to land a job that isn't entry level. Dumb nigger.

>>107116155
Then either his PhD is worthless or he is a fucking brown retard.

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>>107116155
>A PhD guy without much work experience doesn't land 300k job starting. He needs an entry level job.
Why would you spend 8 years of your life enduring immense stress and debt just to be stuck at the same employment level as everyone else?

>>107116187
No, just has a PhD, you retard. It's called having a PhD. You're a scientist and are smart but still need a little of time to learn how to work. Maybe you just need money.
A PhD is not a ticket to 300k.

>>107116207
Because it's just 3 or 4 years of experience, it's not an executive MBA from Harvard. They don't teach you to make 300k a year in a PhD. It just makes you more qualified for research and technical roles.

>>107116186
That’s the purpose but that doesn’t mean you’re handed a high paying job the second you graduate. It’s often about making money in a field you are actually skilled at while you try to find a more permanent position. For some bizarre reason companies actually take their time making decisions when the salary is high and people can’t sit around doing nothing until they land a good position

>>107116225
>A PhD is not a ticket to 300k.
lol

Would an autism diagnosis on my resume look good to recruiters? Serious question.

>>107116305
No.

>>107116225
>>107116247
Someone with a PhD applying for an entry-level job signals failure. It means years of study produced nothing of market value. If they couldn’t turn that degree into work, it’s because they lack initiative or relevance.
Hiring them is a risk and not because they’ll leave, but because they already proved they can’t function outside academia.

>>107116359
No it signals a career change. Like a software engineer might be tired of that and he might want to do data engineering so he applies for a data engineering position.
Then he gets rejected because people think he's overqualified.
>Dude you're too qualified with a PhD to copy paste SQL, therefore we're gonna hire the barely literate 80 IQ guy with a 2.0 GPA

>>107115839
You recruiters are incompetent, you only fear him because you think you can't control him.

>>107116421
A career change still requires proof of transferable skill, not a title. If someone spent years on a PhD and ended up applying for work that a junior can do, it shows they’ve got no relevant output to offer. The market doesn’t owe them another shot just because they got bored of their old path

>>107116448
The market doesn't owe anyone anything though. Jobs have to be clawed through lies and indecency. I guess you gotta omit your PhD if it will hurt your chances and pretend to be a low level goon hiding your power level.

>>107111667
Be firm and consistent. It’s hard to get out of the headspace of “the lesser” when applying but they’re ultimately looking for someone that can communicate effectively; part of effective communication is holding others accountable to your agreements. If they said they’d contact you within the week, continue to remind them unapologetically. Not insinuating or anything, just a direct “checking in on our previous conversation, are you still interested in proceeding?”

>>107116539
That's right! Make sure to meet them in person and give a firm handshake! Don't take no for an answer! Hiring managers love it when hundreds of applicants pester them with "AM I HIRED YET????????" messages every time they check their email or voicemail!

>>107116487
Well, if your only strategy to get hired is to fake who you are, you’ve already lost
I’m simply describing the mindset of 99% of all recruiters out there

>>107113876
Prime real estate as an investment is in these regions
https://brilliantmaps.com/usa-mega-regions/
And search around for a cost of living calculator.
t. remote in the middle of the TX triangle, my house has gone up almost 100% here since 2021, but prices are softening. Planning on selling and moving out to a rural area with a lot of land.

>>107116575
You have to target and adjust your CV for each job. When your CV can be 5 pages like mine excluding degrees and certificates, you have to choose what you put on the one page. Only the top 3 jobs, only the latest degree, only the names of the certificates and only the best skills.

>>107116575
>Well, if your only strategy to get hired is to fake who you are, you’ve already lost
Nigga I have landed interviews by being a smug asshole in my resume - I literally replaced my skill list with the phrase "Everything in the job description" and putting a fucking Pulp Fiction quote as the header. 99% of the advice people give for landing a job is fucking bullshit.

Wonder what the record is for a CS grad applying for years and still not landing a job, not counting the ones who gave up or switched fields. Nor the ones that ended up killing themselves.
Basically a CS graduate NEET4life

>>107116569
Right, hiring managers filter through hundreds of applicants, so if they don’t get back to you within a reasonable timeframe you need to remind them as they have probably forgotten about their agreement with you. You’re helping them do their job, if you word it neutrally and they take offense to this reminder of your existence you weren’t getting the job anyway.

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>>107114021

>>107101821
There's some decent SQL challenges on hackerrank too

>>107102869
my contract with verizon ran out july of 24
no degree
35 yoe yes i'm fucking old

>>107117228
35 yoe and they couldn't make you full-time permanent wtf

>>107116635
>You have to target and adjust your CV for each job.
lol, no. You have to adjust your resume so that it passes the taleo filters

>>107117387
He is (was) a sales associate saar please mindful.

>>107117387
Tech has been firing people for the last three years anon. IBM and AT&T just anounced another round of layoffs, they just call it something soft so it doesn't make the news.

>>107117393
>tfw locked out of primo jobs because my dad doesn't work at taleo and spoonfeed me the algos

>>107117412
doesn't IBM always let go of their bottom 1% every year or am I crazy?

I live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, in a shithole turd world balkan country and I am going to blow my brains out if I can't find a remote job within a month.

>>107117432
You won't.

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>>107117415
>open job listing link on company website
>copypasta
>open resume
>page down
>ctrl+v
>font size 1
>color white
>submit
>???
>PROFIT

I've posted this shit so many times, I don't know how you fucking losers keep failing. Posted other hacks to get automated offers in the past, but with AI it's probably easier than what I was deploying.

>>107117424
https://www.cv-by-jd.com/blogs/ibm-layoffs-visual-guide-2025~1114

https://app.workforce.ai/insights

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Can't find shit, graduated 1 year ago with a CS degree from a T20, working odd jobs, desperately looking for random ass IT Helpdesk jobs.

Do I just join the military and get a top security clearance? Or is this retarded and not ideal for me long term? I just want to moneymax, I don't care about moralfaggotry.

Do those clearance niggas breach $200k+ like FAGMAN do?

>>107117840
>Do those clearance niggas breach $200k+ like FAGMAN do?
What do you think?
>Military
Nitrogen.

>>107117464
Wait, so you just...copy paste the whole listing into the resume, and that gets by the filter? Does that actually work?
>t. just got laid off a month ago and haven't been on the job hunt in over a decade

>>107117862
The extent of my research is checking the clearance jobs website and seeing every job max out at $150k and not mention stock options apart from Palantir/Anduril which I assume are single digit acceptance rates.

>>107117874
>muh stock options
Nigger, clearance jobs give PENSIONS, shit so good that the government is trying its hardest to phase them out entirely with 401ks.

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I just got offered a $100K junior role job. Guess getting a clearance really did pay off when I thought all hope was lost. Peace out, /utwg/.

>>107117895
Don't big tech stock options mog the fuck out of pensions?

Who cares about a guaranteed $80k per year from 60 years old to death when I could be getting an extra $30k a year in stock options in my 20-30's that will sit in the market and grow over time?

>>107117925
Did you go the military route? Or did they just sponsor you? Debating the former, not even a recruiter shill I'm just that desperate.

>>107117870
Yes...
When I look for jobs I create sock puppet accounts on Linkedin, copy the profile of the job I want, and just replicate it. Then Linkedin sends me offers automatically for whatever. Apply with another email address, linkedin is just for alerting. It's easy.

>>107117935
stock options aren't really a thing anymore for the normal person.

>>107117935
>Don't big tech stock options mog the fuck out of pensions?
Why don't you ask former Enron employees?

>>107117957
Seems like virtually every bay area SWE job offers stock options. If you're willing to move they're straightforward to get.

>>107111667
We're hitting the holidays and vacation time, everything dies until January, whatever you have will proceed at a snails pace. I'm in the exact same boat, keep stacking up completed assessments, tests, phone screens with recruiters, just waiting to hear about next steps or if they want to proceed or not.

>>107118041
This, last week of October to the second week of January tech workers take off.

>>107117935
You don't really need military experience for a clearance. I just had a company sponsor me after passing a bunch of checks. But then again I might have just gotten lucky.

>>107118052
In past years I have been extended an offer in December after 4 weeks of radio silence, and companies don't want to to through the whole process of interviewing and assessing candidates from start to finish, they have a limited number of candidates they're considering and if you're already in the middle of their process your hat is in the ring you stand a good chance of getting a job when they get back

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Has this general always been a thing or is the job market that bad that ones actually needed?

>>107118071
If you don't have one on file as active or dormant then the company has to basically sponser you for the investigation, 10 years ago it cost like $150k for a basic secret, no idea what the pricing is now.
>>107118083
In general nothing happens around this time. It's peak holiday season, post annual reporting and companies are reorging etc. That's why LTS releases happen in April.

I will never get a job

>>107118101
Everything that gets posted in this general is true. The only way in is to get contacted, because any time you are the one approaching they already have someone they were contacting, the offer is only up in case they get turned down by the contact

>>107118101
I think it’s relatively recent, complaining about the state of this shit has become real popular in recent years. There were always permanently unemployed tech people on 4chan for obvious reasons, now it’s just gained enough media coverage to warrant more direct discussion.

>>107118151
This is the first time I've been unemployed after 10 years of working in tech and 17 in the workforce

>>107118101
since 2020 every single person under the age of 55 decided they want to do tech like the tiktok videos with women doing exactly 0 hours of work a day. because of that, it inflated the number of graduates to many times the amount of available jobs. as a result, most of the people that got a cs degree aren't able to get a job in the field at all. its also compounded by 40% of the domestic jobs being held by immigrants and offshoring.

but if you are a genz boss in a mini you can sign up for the military and get your security clearance today and make 400k starting. they even give you breakfast in bed. why arent you joining the military today anons? its free money.

>>107118101
People on /twg/ got tired of poor "people" like us.

>>107118101
it's never been this difficult to get into tech. even people with 10+ yoe are struggling to get a job. /twg/ folks join us regularly.

You can't be an unemployed tech worker if you've never worked in tech in the first place

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>>107118228
>most of the people that got a cs degree aren't able to get a job in the field at all
Funny, I got a couple of network certifications and instantly got hired, and get recruiters reaching out to me just from listing those certs on my profiles. Not responding to them because current position is comfy as fuck working from home (and by working I mean jacking off/playing vidya/shitposting most of my work schedule), the pay is substantially more but requires working in an office. Everybody wants to be the next hotshot Bill Gates programmer billionaire, nobody wants to be the literal who network engineer/administrator.

Every time I see a CS student complain about not getting a job its mostly Foreigners or literal retards with 0 projects.

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>>107118471
I want to be a literally who engineer working out of my home gym but nobody ever responds to me not even the RECRUITERS I TALKED TO IN PERSON AND STALKED AFTER THEY GHOSTED ME FOR AN ENTIRE MONTH

Is the cover letter REALLY that important?

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>>107118531
Hey, those recruiters might have something interesting saved on their hard drives, something that might warrant an investigation by some alphabet agency, which might prompt you to file a cybertip on their website to let them know
But you do you, frendo :)

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>>107118599
nah maybe they just forgot and are about to offer me a job

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>>107118609
lol

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>>107102869
Graduated with degree last year, bachelors in IT. Six certifications and 2 years of internship experiencing sysadmin'ing. I am now looking to become a janitor for $15/hr because how it's impossible to find a job that pays reasonable for the expectations it puts forward.

Last serious job offer was for a hospital that pays $12/hr for IT support, wants me to drive my personal vehicle from site to site to fix clinic hardware, while also providing support for main location. Even though I said yes, they rejected me for not having enough experience.

The IT Field is fucked. The world is fucked. And most likely America is fucked. I can't wait for the collapse.

>>107118635
>Even though I said yes,
Why? Have some self respect and let those retards go without IT
fucking scab retard IDIOT

>>107118635
>job offer
>I got rejected
Job offers happen after you pass interviews. They are a formal contract establishing relationship between employee/employer. You were never offered a job if you got rejected.

>>107112905
Tried it. Didn't work. Some of them are now displaced too in fact and they're not getting hired either.

ON AN UNRELATED NOTE:
One thing I've come to wake up and realize after near 20 years in programming followed by 2+ years of being displaced from the tech sector is that this line of work kinda sucks. Think about it: You watch your life go by sitting in a chair in a box, staring into a few other boxes (screens) and hitting a bunch of little boxes (keys on a keyboard) and you're for the most part boxed in either via a cubicle or an office or a home office. Pays well, ruins your health, turns you into a recluse, and it doesn't really lead to great interpersonal relationships, and doesn't boost your chances in the dating world at all. Companies even have policies forbidding these folks from dating one another outside work. WTF? Its not like computer nerds are chick magnets. Its like you're totally closed off and cut off from being human. So ya, being displaced kinda feels like being unplugged from the Matrix and you realize "Holy shit, maybe getting into this line of work wasn't such a great idea after all". But its too late cuz now not only are you older and still single, but also the entire job sector just showed its age-ism and booted you right out the door with not even so much as a "thank you" nor an invitation to come back and do anything else, and you're stuck doing rideshare work or whatever other low paying job you can score. Maybe IT work as a whole just FUCKING SUCKS but we don't snap out of it and realize it until its too late and we're sitting there in our mid-to-late 40's in age rethinking our lives, wishing we could go back and be younger again and pick a different fucking career.

>>107118663
>Holy shit, maybe getting into this line of work wasn't such a great idea after all
Spoken like a cuck coping at his lack of employment.

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I bought a course since Feb and havent done the cert. Think Im gonna lock in now and see where it goes. Being 30 doesnt get easier.

>>107118701
Fuck off nigger

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>>107118663
You're not supposed to "do IT" your entire life, you're supposed to transition to a management/consultant role after racking up sufficient experience. You are the IT equivalent of that 70 year old shelf stocker at Walmart, struggling to lift a 5lb can of pears, jaded and bitter that you didn't do anything to advance your career while you had the chance.

>>107118663
Somewhat unrelated note on top on your unrelated note: sometimes I think my job is fake, then I check the requirements for any other office job and I feel much better :)

>>107118663
Get into healthcare and manage some rural hospital's equipment.

>>107118663
Imagine having the skills and knowledge to make whatever you want with programming, and WILLINGLY subjecting yourself to the whims of Mr. Sheckleberg.
>Oy vey goyim, did I catch you dating your coworker? Stop that right now!
Fucking nonce, you could be raking in tens of thousands every month making your own products/websites, instead you choose to sit there like a mopey retard wondering why life is flashing before your eyes.

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Who cares man, who cares?
Every single one of us lost, a long time ago.
We all PRAY to the machine, we PRAY to the devil, we PRAY to this economic system.
We are gonna torture ourselves over something that we don't understand?
With words that can be turned against us at a moment's notice?
We are gonna do that for the rest of our lives, as if we had the first idea what we are talking about?
You don't have to torture yourself like that. Why would you? Why?
>BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO
>YES YES, YOU HAVE TO, OK?
>HEY, YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR BIT PAL
>HEY
>HEY, ITS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS, OKAY?
>I HAVE SUFFERED, SO YOU MUST SUFFER TOO!
Nigger, please.

>>107118471
I literally want to. What do I have to do to get in there? I have degrees, a couple of certs, and 1 yoe in dev.

I want to end my life but also end the world that rejected me first.

>>107118710
unc is 30 thats crazy

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>>107118725
>>107118663
idk i like IT and if you are a gayboi tech is sexy or at least interesting to some

the only thing i dont like is not being allowed to poke and prod (poke prod) even when the real engineers don't; if the pipeline really was IT > Local Network Engineering > SW Engineering > Le Ebin Le Cloude Engineer'ing like (((THEY))) promise to the young then it would be fine

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>>107118865

Is it worth it doing a nest.js course and adding whatever the fuck i do in it to my github?

>>107118663
I work from home, make like $140k a year in a flyover. I have some weird hours, but I work like 20 real hours a week.

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>>107118471
i unironically wish they still produced this type of vehicle and that i could buy one and have it properly registered for road use. they are absolutely fucking sick and i love them so much, where i work now has a fleet of those Kubota work vehicle things that are basically a cabin bolted to an ATV and i am hella jealous (and would buy one myself if I could get plates for it but it is still just a little too big for my uses)

>>107118663
I think a lot of your critiques of tech are valid, so the high pay is justified

I've had these thoughts in my mid 30s but I need to pay my mortgage so don't like to dwell on it too much. Also most developers I've met tend to be married with children

If you work in tech, ideally you don't spend all your free time playing vidya or fucking around much on the computer, you should be pretty much devoting all your hobby time to physical activity to offset the sedentism of your job. Of course, this often doesn't happen because you got into this job for some appealing reason like not having to talk to many people or you like working with computers in the first place, it's something you kinda gotta learn and adapt to later

>>107118725
>you're supposed to transition to a management/consultant role after racking up sufficient experience
I've been in IT for over a decade and all I fucking want is to be a manager but no place is giving me the time of fucking day.

>>107118865
bro, chill...

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>>107118928
>you should be pretty much devoting all your hobby time to physical activity to offset the sedentism of your job.
honestly i feel like ive met very few tech people who don't have at least a few non-normie hobbies. ideally the job itself will have some sovl to it but there's always taking up archery or something. and even if the job sucks it should at least have novel problems. if you're genuinely never seeing anything new or challenging but not being promoted then your job is a bullshit job and you are not as valuable to the world as you think

>>107118227
how old are you, by the way? and what's your last job?

>>107118227
HAHHAHAHAHAHA THIS NIGGER IS OLD!!!!!!!

>>107118889
I guess if you're a student

I wouldn't use NestJS personally it's gay af just use a real language and real framework ike C#/.NET or Java/Spring, Angular and .NET are used together because Angular is a FE framework that uses a lot of OO patterns that Java/.NET developers are familiar with, NestJS is just bloatware modeled off Angular/Java Spring

If you think you need NestJS, you probably are better off ditching NodeJS entirely

>>107118961
I became a regional manager after 2 years as a tech. Dunno what to tell you. Maybe you're just unlikable.

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>>107118928
>you should be pretty much devoting all your hobby time to physical activity to offset the sedentism of your job
I work out in my office. Blow me nigger.

>>107118996
All of my tech work sure beats unskilled manual labor, but after 10+ years no matter what you do a job will feel like a job

>>107119100
How many hours a day do you spend inside your office and home on average

>>107119100
You better be doing weighted dips or I'm going to summon bot :D schizo from /fit/ and crash this board
with NO SURVIVORS

>>107119081
>Maybe you're just unlikable
Yeah maybe I should just fucking kill myself and make it easier for everyone else with one less warm body as competition. Don't worry, I'll make sure to do a fucking flip in the process.

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lol

>>107118996
Getting into cars is what I did. Tooled on them for a while, did some stuff, learned how they work etc. Invest in energy companies.

>>107119125
>bro at the end of the day a job is a job
The difference is you can retire 20 years sooner with one of those jobs, and you won't have crippling pain/joint stiffness when you do.

>>107119161
>$94,000 in debt
Serious question: how is that even possible? I went to a pretty cheap community college and my student loans would maybe total 40k ish. Has education costs actually COMPLETELY doubled for zoomies? That's nuts!

>>107119185
I get the feeling you're confusing me for another poster, I just said I understand another poster's sentiments, if you're cool living your life in your cuckcubicle keep doing you

>>107119166
How do you get into cars when your entire paycheck goes into rent/food/gas?

>>107119218
>Has education costs actually COMPLETELY doubled for zoomies?
Try tripled. Colleges realized lenders will loan out literally anything college kids ask for, and proceeded to gouge the fuck out of tuition and books. It's all a giant scam. You'd be better off spending a couple hundred bucks on certifications like other anons did, plus you'd save years of going to classes and being subjected to the brainwashing of douchey liberal arts professors you're REQUIRED to attend as part of a core curriculum for computer science (????????????).

>Interviewing for internship at big tech company
>Search for glassdoor and reddit to see what is often asked at interview
>Weirdly some people claim to be asked simple hashmap and array questions ranging from easy to med
>Others claim to be asked absolute weird leetcode hards I have never seen
>Look closer
>The ones getting the hard questions are all based in India

What the fuck is happening over there

>>107119271
Gotta filter the gems out of the turds.

>>107119218
I think as long as you went to public university, had Pell, and picked a straightforward 4 year major, then you didn't pay jack shit. That's how it was for me. Still broke and cant get a job tho

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>>107119218
yeah its mostly education but also le klarnaing a taxi for ur burrito shit. even the zoomzooms that aren't so irresponsible still get into awful debt traps from which there is no escape in this worst gangster police state

>>107119252
Do as much coursework as possible at a community college, transfer it all in (make sure it transfers in before you do the coursework), make sure you are getting perfect grades since it is CC

>>107119166
personally im very tempted to get into engines by trying to build one of those lawnmower bikes and moving up from there

i already have an ebike and was thinking of just making it a shitty hybrid

>>107119281
no debt and neetmaxxing with my parents so its kinda alright

>>107119296
Most community college classes don't transfer any more because that's 2 year's worth of tuition 4 year institutions could be gouging out of you.

>>107110329
>research
>security
research is a sales job where you only get to work while you've got funding and 80% of the job is looking for the next source of funding before the current ones runs out

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>>107119285
>30+% interest rates

>>107119344
>jealous yuropoor furnigger is at it again

>>107119344
It's called Earned Wage Access. Maybe you've heard of it, poorfag? I have Access to my Earned Wages unlike you who is getting jewed

>>107119363
>>107119379
QRD?

>>107119387
You use an app to access you're earned wages it is right in the name

>>107119363
>>107119379
>enter a thread for unemployed people
>call them poorfags
Do you also go to hospitals and beat up children with cancer?

>>107119285
>HELOC and mortgage
>taking out a loan against a house you don't even own
unironically why is this allowed

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>>107119407
Why indeed.

>>107119401
yes. if they had any courage or gumption they wouldnt have cancer and would be able to fight back

>>107119225
I was into cars in the 90s, basically retired now if I want.
>>107119304
I started destroying clocks and radios as a kid, and then lawn mowers. Tear is down and ask questions about how it works. Learn.

>>107119225
If you're not driving a stolo your finances are suboptimal

>>107118471
What job titles are recruiters looking to fill? Really curious and desperate for work.

>>107114959
There were several signs in windows and I didn’t walk into one store. Don’t know who I was kidding. There was never a chance I was going to walk up and talk to someone.

>>107119462
yeah same, main reason i havent bothered actually doing engine stuff is I am lazy as fuck and don't have a car (and don't want to take a whole lawnmower on the bus)

if i ever get around to ordering new wheels/tubes for my dolly i considered just chaining it to my bike as a ghetto trailer. or maybe just using a chainsaw or something.

>>107119157
That's a bit harsh. What are you doing to make that career change happen?

I'm 25 with 0 student loan or credit card debt, a CS degree (reputable college), but only $8k in savings. Am I behind or ahead?

>>107118471
What certifications?

>>107119573
TS SCI A+

>>107117432
why are you looking remote job if you hate your current place?

>>107119561
I bought my apartment at 25.

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Made it to round 2 for an IT helpdesk position, basically fixing software issues for university students and faculty who come in with laptops that aren't working.

I basically lied to get this interview, I actually have 0 helpdesk experience despite claiming I do. I've never used Jira or Active Directory.

In the first round they asked me how I'd diagnose and fix a computer not connecting to the internet. I did the whole spiel with switching networks and resetting drivers and I guess they liked it.

What should I expect for round 2? The interview is today. If I get the job, I'll report back here.

>>107119846
making it to round 2 with this creature