DRAM prices exploding...
>>107113586Is this tariffs or Ai dickweeds? Who needs to be judo tossed into traffic to make this better?
>DDR4 now more than DDR5Kek, early adopters win again
>>107113601As always companies take a 10% expense and turns it into a permanent 50% price increase. Unfortunately for them this is what literally everyone is doing so there's mass consumer burnout across the board. It turns out computer components, like many other things, are discretionary and the brainless sheep with credit cards are maxed out.
>>107113601Definitely the AI dickweeds. They've committed to buying like 60% of the world's manufacturing capacity for the next 3-5 years.
>>107113586You voted for this.
>>107113601i don't know, but i'm going to blame the Js, just in case
>>107113637I would take everything being more expensive if it meant clean streets and no vandalism.
>>107113637i live in a dictatorship though, don't blame me
>>107113645If those are the only problems in your life then you havent got any problems
>>107113645Unfortunately, the uniparty wants both the high prices and the unsafe streets.
>>107113655Obviously those aren't the only problems because those same people break into homes, sell drugs, drive like shitheads on the road and build shitty houses.
>>107113634It's been 3 years since LLMs were introduced to the general public.
>>107113703maybe some mineral is missing?
>>107113703And..? A 100-acre data center packed to the gills with Blackwell GPUs is still needed to do the heavy lifting. And they can't do much without RAM in the servers.
>>107113703But only recently people have figured out you efficiently load 100B+ models in RAM which makes 128 GB fast RAM kits quite valuable. And you have to understand that supply is relatively limited so even a boost of 20% in demand makes things sell out.
download moar RAM
>>107113586DDR4 too? weird. I got a used 16GB DDR4 stick for $49 two weeks ago. now I know why it felt so expensive back then.
Its only going to go up"Nvidia purchased last week the entire supply of SK Hynix in DRAM, VRAM, HBM, and NAND flash for through the end of 2026. Every single wafer of capacity they had left. That's on top of whatever agreements they already have in place with Micron and Samsung."
>>107113787>Samsungi hate koreans so much it's unreal
>>107113758>Vaginus Troon Tips
>>107113801but South Korea Telecom - Hyundai joint venture doesn't trigger that reaction, only Samsung?
>>107113817Hyundai is ok
>>107113787When are the Chinese bringing their ram chips? They're the only ones that can save us at this point.
>>107113787How is this even allowed and any different from a cartel buying operation where someone buys an entire supply of potatoes?
>>107113900? because no one needs it? And they are not buying it to fuck people over, they are buying it to mass produce the next gen server gpus, same as everyone else, no one is producing for the consumer memory market atm, server stuff is too profitable due to ai
>>107113900corruption
>>107113931>no one needs a vital computer component
>>107113950exactly, its not food / medical products, no laws say you cant go and buy all of them
>>107113965I seriously doubt that boomer
>>107113749>But only recently people have figured out you efficiently load 100B+ models in RAMI don't see the sense in RAM if not for CPU models. What do I fail to see?
>>107114040moes, glm air is the best local model if you cant run big glm / kimi
>>107113586This was 250 dollars when I bought it. Holy hell
>>107114040You can RAM swap to VRAM at decent tokens per second. https://github.com/lodestone-rock/RamTorch is also a decent breakthrough, trade speed but you can finetune large models with RAM swapping too.
>>107113758It has been proved that this is possible. Set up a swap partition in the cloud.
reminder that these companies are all USG fronts and the purpose of the AI systems is to trawl through all the data the NSA has been gathering
>>107114122You retards can't even comprehend how impossible that task is or how long it would take even if you somehow could magically transport that astronomical amount of data without corruption.
>>107113601it's both.
The horror... you might have to close some tabs...
ainiggers ruin everything
>>107113586my computer is shit anyway so prices for slow ass ddr4 are fine
>>107114549lol that is laptop memory
>>107114549that ram was $15 3 months ago
>>107113758
Has nothing to do with AI, simply price gouging on an item no longer produced.
The question now is buy now before prices spiral further or wait a couple weeks for black friday? Black friday deals in a few weeks might not even put prices below what they are now, but this could also be a panic squeeze before the holidays.
>>107114066Hi, Adrian
>>107113586Thankfully local used DDR4 RAM listings haven't gotten too bad, but holy fuck is Ebay terrible. I knew I should've gotten some extra RAM a month ago.
>>107113586>upgrade my poorfag shitbox to 72GB of RAM and a 5800XT back in September>spent about 40 bucks for a 32GB stick of DDR4>check price of said stick of DDR4 now>358 dollarydoosholy fuck
bought some just before the increase for my server build, but none for the desktop i wanted to buildwhen is this shit coming back down? or are they just going to pull the same shit as with gpus
>>107114995China firmly stated that all AI chips going forward must be made in-house which means they're all gonna be sucking up any memory they can produce.So potentially it will never go down
>>107115014Ram is mostly produced in Korea.
i just wanted to upgrade too
>>107115099With material and components from china; they don't have any rare earth in large enough quanities.
>>107115115Didn't think of that. They also need to put the black rectangles on green plates somewhere and that may well happen in China.
>>107113900Cartels-behavior is to buy up stock only to restrict competition from buying it. Nvidia's own backlog of AI cards is months long and growing. It's a legitimate need.
>>107113601Ai its exploding in Europe as well.
>>107114066>Corsair VENGEANCE LPX 2x16 kit>bought at $64.99 in 2023>now $119.99>G.SKILL Ripjaws S5 Series 2x32 kit>bought at $139.99 this march>now $359.99What an absolute cockmongler joke this shit is.
>>107115254Just another industry for them to lose at.
>>107115270kek, i bought 96 gigs of sodimm ddr5 a couple of months ago for 170 euro, it's 470 now
Okay newfags, welcome to PC building but for the last 15 years ram prices have been going up and down, a price doubling isn't unusual, it will go down in a year. SSDs are the same and HDDs to a lesser extent. It's for all purposes random, but usually it's a problem in the 2 companies that actually make all these chips.
>mfw have 128GB RAMthat's it, bros, time to retire. I hope you didn't miss on the generational RAM dip, lmao.
>>107113601Sam Altman already bought like half of the entire RAM supply for the next decade or something.
>>107115394You're fucking retardedThese prices have literally never been this high.
Sam Kikeman needs to go, man, I'm so done with this shit.
>>107115497Here's the next dip. Buy SSDs
>>107115106It is probably only going to get worse, I would just buy it now before it goes up even more. I remember quite a few years ago when SSDs went parabolic it didn't come back down for like 4 or 5 fucking years.
with those prices, soon we vill need to rent PCs and be happy.
>>107114737>item no longer produced.>ddr5I see
>>107114588I bought this kit for $130 6 months ago.
>>107115510i had this thought like a year ago that there's just too much money being bound up in assets, and if that money ever turns liquid, it will cause the prices of certain things to skyrocket whenever a billionaire decides to buy the entire supply of it on a whim. kind of like laser-accurate hyperinflation nuke. the example i thought of was musk buying up all the CPUs for some weird crypto thing, but it turns out to have been altman with RAM
>>107115553good thinking anon. I may sell 64GB $RAM and diversify my portfolio with some $SSD.
>>107115585this hits different now
>paid $196>3. years. ago.I get flashbacks to coof GPU prices all of a sudden
>>107115136Nobody does. Its why the trumpster fire administration sucks donkey balls.
>>107115697>top: poor man with only one computer ("my" computer)>bottom: rich man who owns many computers ("this" is one of my many computers)
>>107113586heilige scheissei've bought 96gb ddr5 for laptop in middle April for 190 euro. now it costs 465.i wanted to change my laptop in ~2-3y, when medusa halo with high memory bandwidth is out. but with such price surge it will be just too expensive
just boughted 64gb of ram for my ai slop machine before it gets worse :feelsbad:
>>107113769 (me)holy fuck, I just checked. same (used) sticks from the same seller went up 39% over the last two weeks. wtf.
>>107115852nice cope, anon. you will need it in upcoming years.
Techniggers always find a way to jack up hardware prices up further, shit drops 50 and then goes up 300
I will pay exactly 0 (zero).
>>107114861aww heckies @_@
>>107113586Amazing. Even on third world market it's rising too.
Wow, the 64 gb kit of 6000 cl30 i got for a bit over 200€ is now 469€.
>>107113841CXMT already do produce ddr5 and are the reason why Samsung/sk hynix stopped producing ddr4 (out priced them). It's just rare to see them in non chink market sticks
>>107113586Phone: 12GBLaptop: 48GBGaming Desktop: 96GBHome Server: 192GBAI Server: 384GBI hope I'm set.
>piss off china>buy nvidia>china decides to make its own ai chips and to stop exporting rare earth minerals>"omg why is ram so expensive"i fucking despise burgers
>>107117900completely unrelated. It's all being diverted to AI, 40% of current RAM allocation diverted thanks to the Stargate project, on top of the fact that HBM has been prioritized by the big 3 memory makers at the same time for high-end enterprise and AI hyperscalers. They are shutting off the poor RAM spigot for a bit to focus on the expensive shit. Consumer can get fucked. To make one stack of HBM, you may use an entire row of RAM chips found on one normal stick.
>>107113601100% AI.
>>107117887You are absolutely set... for a lifetime of remaining a virgin.
>>107113601This is just how capitalism works, commie.
>>107113586DDR4 production had ceased. It is just supply and demand for existing inventory. High-density stuff will be take-up first. This always happens when production ceases. >>107113601AI/ML systems use RDIMM/LRDIMM not UDIMMs.
>>107115394It is because goes with supply and demand. DDR4 isn't being produced anymore. There's demand for it due to AM4 and other aging DDR4 platforms that people are holding onto. DDR5 has taken over the spot. DDR6 will coming down the pipe soon.
>>107114967>72 gb of ramwhat the fuck?
>>107113586DRAM prices exploding threads exploding
>>107117900cant forget>california has more people than canada and a huge GDP, but only two senators>one of the senators is dianne fienstein>embed a chinese spy to be her personal assistant >coax her to shut down all of californias rare earth mineral mines for "environmentalism">when the last mine is closed down, finally get caught>dianne feinstein defends you anyway and makes sure you get a full retirement package and benefitsif i was in charge i would tariff china 8 trillion percent, they are just like the jews and destroy everything good and pure in this world like california
>>107118574I mixed some sticks because like I said: poorfag shitbox
>>107117931It literally happened when China warned everyone it would happen you dense motherfucker. They literally informed the world.
>>107119419You have a child's perspective. Just because it was announced doesn't mean you are seeing the effects of it on dram pricing this soon; you would also see that directly reported. But you aren't, because they are unrelated, oh, and they put a one-year pause on those export controls. Oh by the way, do we even make toxic DRAM in Burgerland? No. So how would that apply to the US? You are the dense one, bitch. What I stated is exactly what the memory makers have said they are doing. God, retards like you are why I don't come here anymore. Not just fucking dumb people, but anti-knowledge, regressive souls not worth trying to save or interact with. Keep manufacturing shit to get angry about across the pond faggot.
>>107113640>don't know, but i'm going to blame the Js, just in caseConsidering Sam Altman is of the small hat large nose tribe, you would be correct
>>107118439>AI/ML systems use RDIMM/LRDIMM not UDIMMsYou said this in the other thread. What do you think is on those DIMMs you fuckimg retard? It not like the dies are magically different because the PCB is a different shape.The fucking AI faggots are going straight to the Si vendors to buy supply
>>107119641Listen to me very closely:You are a fucking retard. They said what they were going to do. They then did it.Sometimes the curtains are just fucking blue you pissbaby. Besides; its not like the US could do anything about it.
>>107119671I am happy to call out a Chinese win in the face of US idiocy right now, but this ain't it, tard.
>bought 128GB of DDR4 for $80 earlier this yearFeels good bros
>>107119840Yeah I got some 8 months ago, was going to wait until the end of the year, glad I didn't.
>>107113586this going to kill ai data centers
burgers can't even feed their own troops yet some babble on about how they need to start producing their own chipsget your fucking priorities straight.
/v/ is now anti ai slopWhat about you /g/? Are you guys still anti freedom cucks like you were a few years ago?
>>107113586I still needed to upgrade my two mini PC home servers as they only have 8GB and 16GB DDR4 respectively. Just wanted to throw some 32GB in there for like €50 but I just missed the boat.Guess I'll have to try and find a decent deal on the used market.
>>107113586Huhmaybe tariffs are bad
>>107120151>American nigger and spic soldiers will go on German welfarethat is hilarious
My mobo can take up to 256GB, but only accepts 2Rx4 RDIMMs (not LRDIMMs).Is there anywhere that might still have some in stock? I was hoping to max this thing out, but without spending like $2k ideally.
>>107120003Anon I love ai. I've learned how to merge models, regularly partake of local hosting, finetuning, quantizing, etc.But even I see why people get fed up with the AI bullshit.
>>107113586>MFW snagged a new pair of DDR4 sticks to replace dead ones in July
>>107120003>now
>>107114081say good byte to ram prices for the next 5+ years until this gay bubble pops
Thanks Trump
>>107114845Black Friday is a meme. They always increase prices before.
>>107117323based n
>>107120003>/v/ is now anti ai slop>What about you /g/? Are you guys still anti freedom cucks like you were a few years ago?i recognize that AI is slop, but a lot of artists were doing slop to begin with, so it's fine for AI to replace slop with faster slop
>>107114549ecc data center e-waste is also cheap. I maxxed my e-waste lenovo p510 with e-waste ebay ram, was like $200 for 256 gigs of ecc ddr4. Also got some megacore count xeon for $60. Have no use for all that but since it was so cheap I just pack stuff in.
>>107113586So should I sell my 768GB of DDR4 2999MHz rdimms and make 6k? Hmm
>>107113586RAM cartel.
>ram prices up in aus, uk, Europe>t-thanks TrumpDidn't realize there was a bunch of idiots here
LOVING the obvious chinkposting, keep it up yellow boys
Just curious, did anyone ever do a data center heist? It's basically free money.
>>107113586you will pay more for hardwareyou will pay more for electricity = increasing prices of everythingyou will pay more taxes while zuck and altman get more gov money and tax exemptions to build more datacenters
>>107113640>i don't know, but i'm going to blame the Js, just in caseI mean, you can never go wrong with it kek
>>107113637>You voted for this.that was the price to pay to remove woke, 0 regret
>>107121434>that was the price to pay to remove wokewoke is back...
>>107119669It is more then just different layout kiddo. You are just mad that you didn't get stuff when demand was low because you didn't actually need it at the time.Sad
>>107119669aislop defenders arent real people, they are all clueless npcs
>>107115536Yes, they have been *high* a number of times. You have a very short memory or just showing your age.
>>107121473Not defending AI slop. Just putting out facts. You are just seething with impotent rage because of the supply/demand curve is not playing in your favor. I suspect most of the price hike is actually from USA dollar dying on the global scene and it is now bleeding on the luxury goods now.
>>107121400Nah, it is more like the whole thing is collapsing hard and everybody else is circling down the drain.Those "datacenters" are going to be USA's version of "ghost cities" or the "dark fiber" that was laid down during dot.com boom.
>>107121499>dark fiberinteresting stuff didn't know about it
>>107113586My highly overpriced $400 ram kit now costs $900Its literally over
>>107121379What can you do with the hardware or data getting it physically vs hacking for it digitally? For most of computing history, there was no reason to do that even with the dot com bubble. And even now, GPUs aren't expensive enough yet to warrant doing that given the security that datacenters have already, and then shipping it over to some customer like a Chinese one. You need someone highly technical to even know what to do with these GPUs. I suspect when Rubin comes out, that is when the prices for datacenter GPUs will have skyrocketed enough for someone to even bother trying this.
>>107114845Your last hope is existing/old stock with the old pricesEverything stocked up past this point will cost >2-3x as much as they did weeks ago
>>107121499>Those "datacenters" are going to be USA's version of "ghost cities" or the "dark fiber" that was laid down during dot.com boom.i think in the .com some of that infrastructure was re-used for productive stuff after the bubble popped, but unlikely that they will be able to do anything with it after AI pops and they have to pay real energy prices, i think they will just go to hell
>>107119409I have mixed sticks too but that doesn't explain it...I'm running 48 gb (16+8 for each channel), dual channel works in my configurationhow the fuck do you get dual channel working on 72 gb (without flex mode or some shit like that which isn't ideal)? I don't think it's mathematically possible
>>107120003>aijeet decides now, as aislop is the reason dram nearly doubled in price or worse, to promote aislop
>>107113749RAM is only useful if you have really fast connections to the CPU. Most boards don't. Recent Mac's sport integrated RAM which is maybe twice as fast as normal RAM, but still no where near GPU RAM. This enables them to run really big models, but not fast. The only other boards where this is a plausible option for running large models via CPU are Epyk (?) server motherboards, which also sport fancy server CPUs. But that's very expensive, and I it makes no sense to buy DDR4 for this purpose.>>107114040Loading large models into RAM is indeed a CPU AI strategy. It used to be that people would run a stack of 3090s to run large local AI (70B). But recently, there have been no 70B monolithic models released. Instead, MoE has enabled these models to run as smaller models (3/7/14B), and the big monolithic models are 100s of billions of parameters. Nobody can use the big models at home without running a dozen hefty cards which require so much electricity their house has to be rewired.That leaves people running small and MoE, which turn out to be pretty good. Most people buy a couple cards, like 2 5090s for 64GB VRAM, and run a local MoE with a lot of context. But that setup can't run the big models.That's where the CPU option comes in. The idea is to get enough RAM to load the entire model and run it on a CPU, slowly being better than nothing.But only a retard would buy DDR4 for this purpose. The whole point is that you need the fasted RAM you can get, or your token rate will be 1 token an hour.If you want to run large models in RAM and you don't mind it being a bit slow, Mac is probably the way to go, unless you have money for Epyk.Or feel free to spend 100K on a huge stack of RX6000s.
>>107114066Holy shit, I bought this for $229 in May of this year.
>>107123058nta but he may just ditched dual channel in favor of more memory
>>107113586Wtf happened
>>107121009i wouldAI is just a fancy shopping assistant anyways
>bought 32gb 5600 ddr5 for 90 euros 2 years ago>now they sell it for 240 eurolol, lmoa
>>107113586I'm kinda out of the loop, why is this AI? Last I heard AI is VRAM reliant, not RAM.
>>107113586How is regular PC RAM even helping AItards? CPU inference and training are impossibly slow and there's no good way to use this RAM on a graphics card, is there?
>>107113629>so there's mass consumer burnout across the board. It turns out computer components, like many other things, are discretionary and the brainless sheep with credit cards are maxed out.And? It hasn't been about consumer markets ever since the AI boom started. It's about enterprise and government markets now, and they can afford it from your taxes.
>>107114066>>107124226I bought a 32GB 7400MHz Patriot Viper kit like... half a year ago. Kind of feeling hilarious looking at the prices now. Should've bought the 64GB kit, but opted for an odroid to use as my server instead...
>>107113586i wanted to do a big ram upgrade this month but i guess not
>>107125486>I'm kinda out of the loop, why is this AI? Last I heard AI is VRAM reliant, not RAM.They are buying up all the memory production capacity there is, if there are no free wafers to make normal RAM, then normal RAM will get more expensive as well.And you can run llms in normal memory too.
>>107113787>check financial times>"Our DRAM, NAND as well as HBM capacity [for next year] has been sold out", said Kim, referring to SK Hynix's main memory products. "Customers are buying even conventional memory chips for 2026 in advance."It's real, fuck me. PC gaming in the future will shift into an enthusiast-only market at this point.
poorfags btfo
With huge amount of GPU,RAM and fuckton of power usage, one would expect to able to acheive AGI at this point, but instead the best they can do is AI slop generator and retarded LLM token weighting machine. When will this retarded AI bubble pop?
>>107126620>2667mhz
>>107113586>>107113601Tariffs aren't 200%, that's for sure.
>>107126663As long as AI companies get to trick investors to burn money with promises of profit
>>107126620>2667MHz>called others poorfags
>>107126620it sure is lonely at the top
>>107126620good bait
>>107126679>>107126694just look at the ramlets seething, lmao
>>107126620I like my ewaste
>>107126679>>107126694>>107126700Let's see Paul Allen's dedicated wam
>>107126708There are other ways to make ram, but I don't think the demand was anticipated.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_XPointobama should have invested in this. What a dumb fuck. I remember when people thought if you voted for him you'd get rural fiber. Instead of being the "future" president, it was like getting a random suit manager.
>>107113586Isn't technology supposed to get more affordable over time? Why are we going backwards?
>>107126852supply and demand. And the fact Obama didn't invest in tech. It's really paying negative now.
>>107126852Moop's law was a scam
>>107126875Well, that's pretty irrelevant.Mankind could have an agreement to never upgrade memory tech past ddr3, but still it could get cheaper, by increasing supply, obviously.
>>107126852Jews
>>107113586I feel fortunate I blew my load early and got a 9800x3d and 64gb of ram in preparation for a 5080(which I never managed to get)
>>107113586then, i shall not buy
>>107113629>brainless sheep with credit cards are maxed outBelieve it or not, the vast majority of people do not go into credit card debt except as a last resort.>but then how do credit card companies afford all these heckin perks like luke smith said!!They give rewards/cashback/introductory offers by screwing over the merchant and people who choose not to use credit cards.The credit card company charges the merchant a fee, then the merchant passes the fee to the customer by baking it into the prices, and you pay extra.Then you collect the reward after the fact, which is usually less than the extra cost to you in the price. The house always wins.AND the credit card companies become big mad and threaten to pull services if the merchant gives a cash discount because there are no fees with cash.This insanity is similar to how America got its disaster of a healthcare system, with hospitals/doctors/pharmacies charging fake prices.
>>107126820fuck I was supposed to show off my sick 4000MHz overclock and BTFO out everyone but I guess it's like... not overclocked anymore?
Just bought 328GB of RAM for $125 I'm gonna be able to retire with the profits
the 64GB DDR5 kit i bought half a year ago is now 50% more expensive than what i paid for it kek.
>>107127096I would gladly not use a credit card if there was a convenient alternative. they just baked it into the system and everything costs more and I get a measly 2% backI think medicine is a little different, the problem is you can't actually assign a value to the service provided since it really doesn't matter if your surgeon is the best and should charge more. they say they'll charge 2x and insurance says no, we will actually pay 1x like we pay everyone else. The only person getting fucked over is those without insurance who sees the 2x price
>>107113586>Dominate Windows>Overwrite and Overlay the UI with SlowScript every two years. >Double the minimum required RAM every two years.>Hoard HBM and DDR>JEWS' LAW TOTAL VICTORY
>>107124572but that would be extremely stupidyou're almost halving your performance in memory bandwidth constrained scenarios (almost every use case on most recent ddr 4/ddr 5 ryzen cpus) for like an extra 8 gb stick or something? not worth itand yes technically with flex mode only that last 8 gb would be slower than the rest but then again, it makes no sense to have your performance plummet when accessing some areas of your ram for an extra 5-10% of memory capacity
>>107113586pcpartpicker has some nice price trend graphs.Here's the average ram price for ddr5-6000 2x32gb. It increased almost 150%
>>107127945>you can't actually assign a value to the service provided since it really doesn't matter if your surgeon is the best and should charge moreNo, this is a Lemon's problem, and results in all surgeons being paid the same 1x amount.What actually happens is, surgeon asks for 1x, insurance lowballs and offers 0.9x, which the surgeon cannot afford.The insurance company uses a logarithmic strategy, so they need to charge 2x, 3x, or 4x just to get 1x.The solution to kill this is unironically what Martin Shkreli did to Daraprim, and they put him in prison for it.
Damn, I was going to go to 64GB and sell my 32GB kit. Oh well, fuck the jews.
>>107127857Is this what we're gonna have to do now?Buy RAM sticks in little baggies from some /g/uy in a parking lot?
>>107129624>buyYou're gonna have to trade your mouth or bussy for this ram
>>107126663>When will this retarded AI bubble pop?when they are forced to pay for their stuff instead of being subsidized
>>107126852peak oil happened in the 1970s, energy usage stagnated after that, it's been downhill from there, with some small gains from better efficiency but you can only do so much
>>107130949
>>107126844>demented trumpanzee starts babbling about obummer in a conversation about RAMThat man mindbroke you. Based.
All that is one more reason to skip amd am5 platform entirely.
Ill just wait for the AI bubble to burst
>>107130949>small gains from better efficiency but you can only do so muchLeds are 60x more efficient than incandescent, public transport is 10x more efficient than cars, vegetarianism is 5x more efficient than eating meat, apartments are 3x more efficient than single family homes.Chuds can seethe all they want, the way of life they're after will end based on simple thermodynamics.
>>107131115Well motherfucker, dying is more efficient than being alife too. Being dead means literally 0 energy consumption.
>>107113787>Its only going to go up>[irrelevant bullshit about nvidia]everything is going up because USD is losing reserve currency status. you havent seen anything yet. get ready for breadlines, mother-daughter prostitute teams, etc
>>107131115yes, but you don't get the equivalent product as you were getting before because there's less energy per person, living in a hole eating your own shit is very efficient, but it's not wealth or progress
>>107131115All this means is you can't afford to use as much energy. If you were using the same energy as someone in the 70s with today's tech you would be able to afford so much more. But you're affording less at the same time that things are becoming more efficient.
>haha surely this is just an American thing>check the exact RAM I got for my PC two years ago from the exact same store>I got it at 160 aussie dollarydoos, now it's 320It'll go back to normal in a few years when I want to upgrade... right?
>>107131502every price increase leads to a "new normal"
>>107131534generally yes, but there are exceptions. GPU prices went down significantly after coof.
>>107131025this still may be years. "2 more weeks" cope is too strong to allow the entire market admit defeat.
>>107115536The last huge RAM price spike wasn't even that long ago, retard. It went through the roof towards the end of 2021 and stayed there for much of 2022.
>mfw have 4 unused 8GB DDR3 sticks just laying in my drawerwe're eating good tonight boys
>>107131115Effeciency, yeah just make the world shit but efficiently
