TFW need to desolder 100 switches just to change a stabilizer

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nth for gloryhole pandas.

>>107188125
>tfw need to desolder 488 switches on my keyboard to change the switches

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>It's alive... IT'S ALIIIIIVEEEEEE
My foam shims seems to have worked for now, all g keys respond and light up now, looks like this keyboard is back on the menu now.

I actually might just buy those switches and solder or just lube these MX Reds externally cause they actually sound pretty classic with the foam mod, pbt keycaps, and duct taped stabilizers. Almost like those old MX Black boards. Not even sure if I should lube them now.

>>107188731
As soon as I say that they break again and some stop registering keystrokes intermittently... for fucks sake.

>>107189032
I mad o add more foamty nee shim padding and foam to elevate the ECB further if pressing down on the G keys makes them work again. I can't have inconsistency like that. Might possibly just use electrical tape.

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this piece of shit dug out of a university dumpster is all i need

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My precioussss

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fuck yeah

>>107189427
There is a guy on my Craigslist selling one of these brand new, and it's hard to resist the urge to buy it even though he might kill me

>>107189482
I'm proud of you anon :3

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Finally got my baby's first HE sensor. It should be trivial to get it working. Just waiting on the WS Flux HE Keyboard Switches to show up.

Best TKL keyboard on the market right now? Need one asap, split water on my filco ninja and it double presses now.

>>107189694
something that you will get fast? Keychron Q3 Max

Most of the "best keyboards on the market" take forever to arrive since they run on pre-order schedules.

>>107189733
(and you need to order switches and keycaps, then build the keyboard yourself)

>>107188731
Some of the keycaps look a little proud of the others. E.g. the Y

It's a funny idea for a keyboard, but without those G keys it does look strangely incomplete. Bizarre that they chose a different kind of switch for them.

Best place (variety) to buy SA profile caps? If not SA, what profile should I switch to when I chose them for their sound?

>>107189733
Why would I pick the Q3 when the C3 is 1/5 the price?

>>107190715
O_O
the C3 is a plastic piece of shit, i dont know why you would even consider it

anyone use melodics? if so, how loud are they? their force curve looks awesome but I'm sick of clickies being too loud

>>107190539
MT3 is nice and similar to SA, but by their height and feel, dunno about sound.

>>107190874
They're loud.

>>107190898
Is there any tactile in existence with a remotely similar force curve? That steep climbing ramp with a drop off a cliff is what I'm looking for.

>>107190922
I don't think anything will be closer than Gateron Lanes, although they're not as tactile.

Gimme a sec and I'll check whether ZealPC Clickiez in tactile mode are similar.

>>107189689
you absolute retard
that is a 3 axis HE sensor
its for a joystick not a switch

>>107190929
Clickiez in tactile mode is close, but the tactility is a little more at-the-top and a bit stronger.

I plugged my ears and held the melodic and lanes away from my head where I couldn't hear them, to test whether I was being misled by the sound to think one was more tactile. I shuffled them in my hands and closed my eyes so I didn't know which was which. I could no longer guess which was which. So actually they're pretty similar, and I was wrong. The audible click has a strong effect on how you perceive tactility.

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Best keyboards I know of. Picrel. All the rest of the mechanical switch world exists to imitate the Model F as in Father.

modelfkeyboards dot com

>>107190954
I see. Thanks for testing. I'll give the lanes a shot. Clickiez definitely ain't it.

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Just got my Geonix rev.2. Can't get enough of these low pro tactile switches (Black Cloud)

>>107191027
usecase for ortholinear?

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People were shitting on this new Corsair, and the price IS insane, but all the other keyboard with this format don't have the "home" AND "end" key.
Some of them have the useless "insert" key instead.
My only question is... where is the "FN" key?

>>107188564
Nice ..How many of these do you have, Anon?
You seem to post at least a new one every thread. Do you make them for people for a living?
t. Curious.

>>107191588
I just have two right now for myself. Most of the builds I post are ones I've done for others.

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>>107191570
>but all the other keyboard with this format don't have the "home" AND "end" key.
Some of them have the useless "insert" key instead. My only question is... where is the "FN" key?
Sometimes complete keyboard noobs and their concerns still make me laugh

>>107191664
I'm autistic enough to care about having a home and end key, but not autistic enough to be coding and using the insert key

>>107190135
>Some of the keycaps look a little proud of the others. E.g. the Y
I did that incase I still have to unscrew the board again which requires me to take the caps off in specific areas.

>>107190135
>Bizarre that they chose a different kind of switch for them.
They still use MX Reds but the daughterboard tor the G-keys is linked in a retarded fashion with a flimsy ECB instead of a normal PCB or FCB ribbon cable.

>>107191692
Anon, buy a Neo75. It completely out classes the corisar shitboard in every conceivable way. Then get whatever meme switches and keycaps you think are cool. Then use QMK to set the right row to any key you prefer, if you don't like insert then don't use it, you can even make it be refresh or copy paste. Don't buy a trash over priced keyboard because it doesn't have an insert button.

It was just funny to me you were willing to pay 500 dollar to not have insert.

>>107191664

youre not supposed to use tkl 70% 96 design keyboard

thats like crustys clown car

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>>107191782
Oh yeah this one looks perfect. I don't know what any of the options on their website means and everything is out of stock or a pre-order so I can get it long after I actually need it, but whatever.

>>107191801
Why

>>107191570
what are you talking about? this is 1:1 just a gmmk

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>>107191864
Yeah see I have to google what the fuck you mean everytime you post.
Can someone from these marketing departments TURN OFF THE FUCKING RGB SO I CAN LOOK AT THE KEYBOARD
This looks good too, but why do I have to look at their shitty yellow indian tier logo on top of the keyboard

>>107191692
>he doesn't know

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>>107191893
I don't know. I lack critical information. I'm already investing more time than I'd have liked to on keyboards of all things.
My real hobby is too expensive and time consuming to be spending time even thinking about this, but being autistic about my PC setup is CAUSING ME PROBLEMSSSSS

>>107191838
Color and badge whatever you like. Copper bottom. Hotswap PCB. (Tri mode if you need wireless) FR4 plate.

While you are waiting for it to ship, research what keycaps and switches you want. There are tons of them. You might want to look up stabilizers too. Watch neo75 build videos too.

Its simple, more rewarding.

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>>107191922
>Hotswap PCB. (Tri mode if you need wireless) FR4 plate.

>>107191928
Don't worry about it. Its just trash that doesn't matter. The only thing you need to care about are the switches and keycaps.

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>>107191889
I was referring to the original gmmk pro, just because it has the same exact layout, right down to the way nav is exploded. Doesn't matter though. I wouldn't really recommend gmmk and I definitely wouldn't recommend corsair.

>>107191266
Calculator layer

>>107190886
Thanks anon will give MT3 a whirl

>>107190886
Double post but what incredible timing that the plain white on black set is on sale. I usually like my caps to match color theme (changing to orange rn) but $50 to try a proprietary profile is hard to pass up on.
https://drop.com/buy/drop-mt3-white-on-black-keycap-set?defaultSelectionIds=965854

>>107189538
We're all gonna make it BRAH

>>107193454
MT3 is my favorite profile. Feels really nice on the fingers. Enjoy it, bro.

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>tfw fell for the cherry profile caps meme
i should have stuck with oem

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Update on making my Heavy-9 (FC980C) wireless.
The original battery I purchased was leaking and venting gas, would not charge past 61%. I purchased a new battery from a more reputable lipo battery brand and now it charged t0 100% after leaving it in plugged in for 2 days. I've used for it about 2 weeks now I think and I'm still at 98% battery.

>>107194126
Really? OEM has always looked terrible to me. Anyways I switched to low pro because I've always typed faster with low pro keycaps.

>>107194586
maybe I just need to get used to them but the gradient is not steep enough for my liking so far so it is easier for me to miss

>>107194646
>maybe I just need to get used to them
Lol, you didn't wait until you got used to them before you started whining?

>>107195885
did you know if you change keyboards and cannot immediately match your previous typing accuracy you are a failure at life and need to kys

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>>107195948
this but unironically

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H..... how in God's green earth am I supposed to solder THIS TMR SENSOR

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

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I love the look of the keychron K8 HE special edition but I'm not too sure about hall effect switches.
I don't game with mouse and keyboard at all but I do a lot of typing (programming).
I have a keychron V1 with gateron brown switches and it's alright but I think I'd prefer a little stronger feedback on the actuation, both feel and sound wise.
From what I've seen HE switches have none of that feedback whatsoever. Does this keyboard even make sense for me?

>>107197601
I've soldered SOD-123 sized diodes before. It's tedious but not that difficult. Just tin one of the pads, use tweezers & your iron to tack down one of the legs of the component, then solder the rest of the legs as normal.

>>107197777
HE is meh for typing on right now. Those Gateron HE switches are low-tier. You can't swap them. If you want a good typing experience, you can do way better.

>>107197917
>you cannot swap them
They are literally hot swappable. Keychron sells more TMR switches. Keychron just hates everyone else and reverses the polarity so you have to be aware of that.

>>107197777
I love my Q6 HE but hate the feeling of my K2 pro so while HE I reccomend, I don't like the K2's feeling as a board.

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>>107197813
Thanks I did thay? It was actually pretty easy

>>107190960
I've gotten myself a 1€ thrifted grey taiwanese keyboard with something like alp switches and it's soooo comfy
though the best aspect about it is that it's a belgian layout which is much nicer than the france french layout
though it doesn't have a windows key which is super annoying but manageable on linux
also you need an adapter to plug it in the PS.2 port and the cable is super short so I can't move the keyboard too much
yeah it doesn't sound that great described like that ...

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done. 10bit hall effect. 1024 distinct steps. so 0.004mm resolution. 2.5 times better than TMR. and you can have it right now if you have a HE Keychron/Lemokey keyboard.
polling increased to max that usb connection supports, 1kHz (usb 2.0 full speed max that stm32f401 can do). stock it's at around 500Hz

changing from 40 to 1024 steps does increase the profile sizes in eeprom but not by a lot, I dropped some stupid shit that's not required, ssome debug bytes and some last_travel shit.
I tested rapid trigger and okmc (best shit ever) and they work fine. these had actuation points saved in EEPROM profiles, so had to refactor some functions so they deal with int16 instead of int8.
calibration also works, I can call it with a key now.

polling increase is done by switching some adc sampling mode, and also reducing some analog matrix wait times, something for column/row enabling. the shorter these times the higher the polling rate but read accuracy falls for first&second row, they're too far from micro, so voltage range drops (impedance smthsmth) -> not enough for full travel -> those keys don't register during calibration. so I had to balance a few shits so I get true 1kHz polling (tested) and still get enough range for 10bit actuation. have no clue if on hotter weather sensors drop voltage range. just increase the scan times, polling rate will drop to 800Hz or so

also properly circularized the joystick movement. use xinput (xbox) if you can, but moved both to 10bit anyway, dinput and xinput. xinput triggers are 8bit/256 steps for some reason, apparently xbox controller is like that, kept it the same just to be sure it works fine in games and shit

this should work for all Keychron/Lemokey HE that use these gateron switches, they prolly all have the same hardware. more than 90keys layout might have issues with EEPROM profiles size

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>>107199422
there could probably be some more gain to be had in resolution but it's stupid high anyway. they already convert ADC to mV units, and I mapped mV to travel steps. 12bit on 3.1V means 0.75mV per step but they have mV steps whatever not gonna stress

I set the proper joystick curve points, makes for linear curve stock. you can change it, just use 0-1024 for key travel mapped to 0-32767 internal travel points. you can set the curve points with the help of the analog utilities file.

increased some stuff, disabled sleep, in command line shit would go into sleep in 2 seconds after keypress fuck that
works with Via atm, I can talk to it via HID so can set shit with python scripts but ideally I want it on latest QMK and working with Vial. anyone can make that happen? way over my head. Vial has secure mode
you can also have some key constantly send data on USB so cable sniffing will get a lot of constant garbage lol
included some example how to trigger a function from the analog functions helper file, with a key, and QC_BOOT on knob press so you enter DFU easily. read the analog helper file if you wanna set okmc (best shit ever) or rapid fire or whatever

you need/want this helper file:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/BorisTestov/qmk_firmware/refs/heads/feature/hall-effect-utilities/keyboards/keychron/common/hall_effect_utilities.h
drop it in "common" folder
main patch: https://gist.github.com/gibs2193/003f2caaf228b09ec4b114a8cd534428
includes the hall_effect_utilities.h diff, so it can deal with 10bit values. just adapt it for the Keychron version
ah yes, more HE switches might work with proper calibration of values

>>107199429
ye there's some jitter on the signal with RGB on, expected at that low level, but nothing important. still, if you want the absolute cleanest signal disable RGB. don't turn it to no rgb effect, turn it off. led chip spi data lines still interfere with bottom row switches signal. pcb is not designed for 10bit resolution, it's 2 layers, weird that it works so good anyway.

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>>107199422
That's some crazy work O_O
Why do you think they had such a low step resolution in the first place?

>you can also have some key constantly send data on USB so cable sniffing will get a lot of constant garbage lol
kek if you were to do this with all of your keys it would be like 2mbs a second :<

I'm about to start testing 2 tmr sensors and an HE. If I can get the 2 step SOC working, I'll move on to the pololu TMR sensor, should be able to get like 5k steps with that thing.

the HE I might try to do ADC hacking with, but i will only be capable of like 100 steps at its stock settings (which is still pretty good) just working on making a box housing for test switches and just pure neodinuum magnets attached to a servo

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>new Realforce boards don't have MX compatible stems and stabilizers
>but they're using the same adjustable actuation for the switches that the Realforce GX1 boards have, which do have MX compatible stems and stabilizers
Why are the Japanese like this? It's always one step forward, and 5 steps back.

>>107200023
you can get EC naevies and dynacap stiff in a lot of custom boards now and get regular mx stems that way. you’re not stuck with realforce and hhkb anymore

the RR122 tmr sensor was easy to get running but worthless as a potential keyboard switch D:

The process of going from debounced to active takes like 200ms, which is completely useless for a fast keypress. disappointing as FK

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>>107199931
they made a platform they copy-pasted on all their HE models. some have more keys, some work in very hot environments, it's one of their first designs. fuckload of features. simplicity. higher number later. who knows.

>the HE I might try to do ADC hacking with, but i will only be capable of like 100 steps at its stock settings
ADC is the limit with analog signals. I noticed one of your chips is I2C, that's slow not sure that type of sensor is suited. you need something with analog output. I wouldn't even bother with TMR. if you get enough steps out of HE, that's good enough. also I'd rather have all switches magnet, I don't feel the need for regular switch compatibility, like at all. I can do all sorts of crazy shit with the analog settings
there's only one thing I'd be interested in, TMR tempco vs HE, and chips with some enable pin or something. banging the power supply pin on/off makes me uncomfortable.
TMR is good for battery reasons, at least from what I can tell. it may also have some higher sensitivity thing but that's not as important the way I see it, plenty steps in 1V travel from HE sensor
these HE boards are pretty nice overall, with true 1kHz and 10bit resolution and qmk... that's crazy good for me and my needs
ideally I'd make this shit work with Vial but Keychron's file don't work with regular QMK ffs

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>>107201102
oh no the good TMR sensor uses ADC, this is a 3000ish step force curve of a pez dispenser with the pololu tmr sensor.

It is very long, about 10 mm, way longer than a normal switch. But still it's pretty crazy. I think I can even get it up to 7000 steps over 4mm once I tighten up the build.

you are absolutely right tho, the HE sensor uses I2C and maxes out at around 20 steps if I'm lucky. I'm just using it for experimental purposes.

>>107201279
Yeah but did the pez dispenser have a thiccy thokk?

has anyone tried using HE/TMR switches to control the mouse? that's just about the only usecase I'd be remotely interested in if it worked well just because trackpoints are basically extinct

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>4kg

>>107202395
>home key
>no end key
tch

>>107202410
I'd just remap the home key to something else anyway, I use my mouse for "home" and "end".

>>107202436
>drop mouse
>experience a seizure

>>107202410
what the keys say literally doesn't matter. if it's got qmk you can map anything to anything, including layers

>>107202859
That doesn't change what's written on the key

>>107197935
Got it. Buying a Wooting.

>>107187868
i tried outemu's silent yellow jade switches for my last keyboard and they were good, what silent switch should i try for my next keyboard?

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>>107203342

are 75% keyboards actually good? or is it weird to have the PgDn, PgUp, End, Home keys in a vertical layout? i guess that's what i'll miss more, numpad can be good but not use all day everyday

I want wireless, ergonomic 75% keyboard with metal case. Is neoergo the best choice?

>>107203625
negroergo comes with just the case? or you can get a kit with the electronics too?

>>107202410
I moved home on pgup next layer, and end on pgdown. and delete instead of home key. fn on right is close to them so I can easily use home/end.

>>107201279
one issue you'll have is when there's 90 keys and you have 6 ADC channels. you need to sample one key, average it a few times, move to the next, and have a good enough PCB design so that you get good enough signal from all the keys from all over the board.
with a numpad/macropad that's simpler, you could constantly read all sensors at same time. but with 90-100 keys you start juggling with sampling time, averaging, jitter, multiplexing etc

>>107191266
they are nicer to type on, why do boomers always shit themselves when they see something different?

>>107189531
they likely wont kill you if its a low priced item.

>>107201795
it works, it's game over
I used sc-controller on linux

>>107202395
don't like the brass look. would have preferred copper with aged patina. and matte ceramic keycaps. and sandbags in it, with tungsten microballs instead of sand

Guys I need thock. Ideally out of the box and TKL, I'm okay with some diy but for now don't want to deal with lubing all switches manually.

How to thock? Is there a good list of mods/ manufactures? Slowly getting my intel with youtube but there's too much useless ads

thock

>>107189427
Anon, it's not 2018 anymore, pretending to be OK with mediocrity is no longer cool.

>>107205749
Rainy75 is the easiest, cheapest out of the box thokk.

The magic thock formula is metal case + PP plate + thick keycaps + foam + linear switch = thokkkk

>>107203375
>>107202410
>:( stop being such a willful idiot
you just put whatever keycaps say the right thing you want and use QMK to set your keyboard to do what you want

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>>107205826
but where do you fit 3 horizontal key? you need all these stuff

>>107205913
???????????? just buy TLK then if you want more keys jesus

if you want a trannypad then buy a 100% keyboard

you are acting like someone is going to RAPE you if you dont use a 75% keyboard with its default layout

>>107206049
i'm just asking questions man, i already have a 100% keyboard, just was wondering if there are some 75% arrangements where the PgDn, PgUp, End, Home have a nice layout i guess it doesn't exist, i don't use anything else in the right much except numpad very rarely

Today I ordered diodes, hot swap sockets, trrs jacks and pro micros. Getting closer to building my keyboard.

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>>107206081
you have to be trolling at this point

You just buy a custom 75% keyboard then put whatever keys you want into it. Why are you making this so hard? You buy a CUSTOM KEYBOARD

Then you CUSTOMIZE.
Pic related is you right now

>>107206049
Nah TKL is ugly.

>>107205790
Is metal case a must?

also do most linear switches apply or are some actually way better in that than other?
youtube mentioned Kailh Cocoa, Akko Mirror, capybara jesus I didnt visit mkg in few years I had no idea there are so many switch manufacturers these days

>>107187868
Not exactly related, but I'm trying to get off my corsair crap but I have some macros set up in their software that I wouldn't be able to live without. Is AHK the only real option for macros? I'm extremely fucking lazy so I'd like a UI instead of having to write a script but I'll do it if I have to.

>>10720683
if you get a good QMK keyboard, you can program macros in C that vastly outperform AHK and (will be undetectable by anti-cheat). It's kinda hard to flash, though.

>>107206983
what the heckies, how did this happen O_O?

anyways that reply was meant for >>107206836

>>107206983
I somehow never had problems with qmk. Compiling a keymap is one line in the terminal and flashing is also one line. It's good to have a boot key in your keymap, so you don't have to press the button on the micro controller.

>>107206983
I'm retarded anon I don't know if I could write something in an actual programming language. That does sound really cool though, and since it's flashed into the firmware it probably uses less system resources than a macro software then.

>>107206821
Yes, you need a metal case with a metal weight in it. Brass or Copper.

Kailh Cocoa is what the rainy75 uses, so it's a good baseline. But there are MUCH better linear switches out there which probably sound better. Akko Mirror is a top tier linear, you cant really go wrong with that.

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>like cheap logi $20 wireless keyboard
>no wrist rest or other bullshit that actually makes my wrists hurt like a mf
>downside: due to being cheap, it misses keystrokes sometimes either due to the keyboard or the shitty wireless
suffering, bros. I just want a basic ass keyboard that looks like this, no wrist rests, no weird shape, with a wireless connectivity.

>>107207049
Just have chatgdp make the macros for you. Writing macros is actually something Ai is good at. the real problem is flashing, but this anon >>107207015 finds it easy so it might kit be too bad for yoy

i wanted to make a custom PCB for my keychron v1 but i'm sooooooo fucking lazy and i know literally 0 about electronics or cad

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After being able to find a good replacement for the GOAT keyboard I've been looking to buy a mechanical keyboard because everyone says they are so much better... but then I look at some reviews and most people say stuff like
>Keychron keyboards is a gamble if you'll get one that barely works or not
>Ducky keyboards stop working after like 6 months
>all the big brand like logitech, corsair and razor are not recommended at all
So what the fuck are you even suppose to buy?

They sell the "ONE 3 TKL Classic Black RGB Hotswap" keyboards here really cheap now, but then I look up reviews and everyone says how shit they are... so how are you even able to find a (not overpriced) mechanical keyboard that's good?
I'm from Sweden if that helps.

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>>107206192
maybe 80% keyboard are the final redpill after all...

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>>107208178

>>107208178
my nav and arrows are on sdfg and hjkl through a spacefn1 layer and it’s more convenient than having a dedicated cluster imo

>>107208178
the evo80 is legit a fantastic board. Probably the best non-custom board you can get for under $200

>>107208699
>strangle75retard
>75
I appreciate your collection of retard strangling pictures.
That's all I want to say.

>>107204263
yeah >_> there is no drain so you can't even use a matrix
Wooting does some sort of parallel scanning magic. SO my first test keyboard is going to be 20 TMR sensors, trying to run parallel somehow. Multiplexing is simply out of the question for this thing.

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>>107208094
just get this with brown switches, 25 bucks. Im using it for a year now and its good
https://aliexpress.com/item/1005005958708733.html

>>107210412
I don't want a 75% tho, how's this one? I see people both shitting on the ducky one 3 and some praising it.
It's really cheap here right now and seems like a "decent" option?
https://www.maxgaming.se/sv/gaming-tangentbord/one-3-tkl-classic-black-rgb-hotswap-tangentbord-mx-brown

>>107210859
damn that site is rough, all the good cheap keyboards are out of stock. and you dont even get access to the acceptable keychrons.

kinda an unorthodox suggestion, if I could only use that website. It says its a "75%" keyboard but it's really just a compact TLK but I'd buy https://www.maxgaming.se/sv/gaming-tangentbord/flow84-75-low-profile-rgb-mekaniskt-tangentbord-kailh-phantom-svart

>>107210997
Nah there's other sites, but I want a TKL or 100%, no other layouts

>>107211069
What other sites can you use. Honestly, that Ducky is fine. They are typically trash but if you can only spend 80 dollars its ok. The best budget brand right now is AULA F108. Try to find that.

>>107211283
This site also works, probably some others but want to be able to pay with paypal to spend some paypal bucks, and not many stores accept paypal sadly.
https://www.webhallen.com/se/category/15617-Gamingtangentbord

Keyboard meetup tomorrow. No time to fix the spacebar on this board. I'll just have to present it as-is.

It's over.

>>107210357
keychron is powering the switches on/off directly from the shift register chip, which is weird, but it works. there's 6 in parallel on each column, they get powered on, read, powered off then the next column of 6 chips gets powered on and so on. they all have a diode on their output, so they're isolated, but all row has outputs joined, after the diodes, into the noninverting pin of the opamp. which buffers the signal to ADC. so 6 opamps for 6 sensors on each column. so at any one time there's only 1 sensor sending signal in the opamp, turns off, the next sensor on the same row is sending signal in the very same opamp. so the magic happens in the shift register, it cycles through all the columns, powering 6 sensors at a time. so ADC is always reading, they know which column is sending signal depending on signal going in shift register.
the setup is minimal, two shift register chips, three dual opamps and one diode per hall effect sensor output. I'll try thinking of some scheme that's more proper and can deal with higher polling rates.
the thing with what they're doing is clearly for cost, but also for battery life, they're nerfing performance and moving to TMR so they can advertise 1 gorillion years battery life on one charge so sales go up. it is what it is

ok listen up, know that shit app/webapp you all use for your key mapping and rgb settings and whatnot? well that's a massive security exposure. you know how on linux you need those udev rules so the shit works on their webapps? well that's a privacy nightmare. basically any shitprocess has access to all of your keystrokes.
now, what you want to do is turn off VIA from QMK settings, nerf the vendor HID nonsense (btw thats how you get that live reading on the Keychron app, "live analog key press", through that security nightmare), and make your own HID interface where you only expose the required functions.
so, stock vendor has access to main analog matrix function, which can offer any data, including real time reading for any key position. you don't want that.
what you want is assembling your raw hid file in qmk, expose only the functions you need, like mapping keys, settings for analog shit, okmc/rapid trigger settings, xinput mapping all that. and make a more precise udev rule targeting only your raw interface, hidraw number changes, but it's 0xff60 page with 0x61 usage, which maps to some hidraw number don't matter, udev rule matching on binterface number. you can also allow 0xff31 which is debug console, while you're working on the custom hid qmk file.
this way you can set everything on your keyboard, and there's no access to any of your keystrokes/key position. stop using their webapp for fucks sake
basically start here:
https://docs.qmk.fm/features/rawhid
if you're on windows might as well kys

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>>107212080
/mkg/ went schitzo again

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>>107212384
ls -l /dev/hidraw* see what pops up and then hid-recorder /dev/hidrawX try them until you hit the keyboard one, and type anything.
if you think literally any process can have access to all and any of your keystrokes is a good idea then you're pretty much retarded and you enjoy licking public toilet seats

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>>107212539
>he knew about the toilets

>>107208178
that's huge. there's big space savings going to 75% while losing two practical keys, which you can easily map on the remaining three ones.
75% is where its' at. smaller you start losing functionality, larger and you don't get much in return for the wasted space

>>107205913
there's no reason not to have home/end on pgup/pgdn on next layer. fn is right there (right option)
also those 4 vertical keys look wrong, its one too many

>>107212660
I 100% agree but the guy said he doesn't play games so having extra mouse space is useless to him. I wish more people understood the beauty of FN layers :(

>>107211069
>TKL or 100%, no other layouts
thats what I thought at first, but it really doesnt matter that much. just get that cheap board and experience the mechanical switches

Hello /mkg/ sorry to be a normie, but is this keyboard based off any prexisting keyboard model, are there any downsides to this keyboard?
>https://a.co/d/d3pTEYO

>>107210239
that's a good idea too

>>107211392
is this like penis inspection day, but for keyboards?

>page 10

>>107213818
About to find out. Wish me luck.

NEW CHYROSAN DROPPED HE DOES THE MAKR75
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mivAHF4heaA

">>107212384
Nah >>107212080 is right. VIA is a risk and Trannyfox has this feature disabled because of it. It basically gives WebHID direct asses to your hardware. Web browsers and sites are notorious for malware, it would only take a little work to inject some into your hardware from this vector of attack. "

Alexotos is here... wow

>>107205779
it functions flawlessly
and it's caked in me at this point

>>107217270
You reveal how little you actually like your keyboard by refusing to clean it.

How am I gonna disinfect my boards after all of Toronto has touched them? Tips?

>>107215854
>keyboard reviewer
>cant touch type
what a fucking retard

>>107217561
Did your keyboard win? Who had the best keyboard

>>107217561
Just give it a wipe with isopropyl.

>>107218320
alcohol dries out the plastic

>>107218630
Alcohol isn't going to do anything to the majority of plastics. There are a few exceptions but those plastics (PE, PP, flexible PVC, etc) don't tend to show up in keyboards.

Just had to replace my $30 chink mechanical keyboard after 7 years. It still worked fine still but it was really dirty and gross. I've cleaned it before but this was too far gone.

>>107189463
>>107189482
Lucky you, the best TKL in the world

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>>107187868
Do you like my KISNT

>>107218309
A gen X ponytail guy in knee high leather boots and a Motorhead tee had a T9 with tasteful JC studio caps. A tiny talkative asian guy near the front had a vintage board with tastefully lubed and modded Salmon Alps. There were capacitive buckling springs. Alexotos was there.

My MX Browns didn't stand a chance. I didn't linger around my boards because I didn't want to make it awkward for anyone, so I don't really know whether anyone liked them. A few times I saw people laughing as they tried my boards, but I'll never know whether it was good or bad laughter

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Glob daym even the smallest magnet I could find saturates the TMR sensor at 10 mm, and when you push two of the same poles together the TMR saturates from 25mm

Getting these maglev switches to work is going to be harder than I thought

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>>107219243
>A few times I saw people laughing as they tried my boards

>>107219243
Damn that's rough... for me it was when Geon and Glare touched my board, they even lifted it up lol
We talked afterward and I have him signed my screw driver box.
Later he talked about my board in one of his live stream kek

One of the things I wasn't ready for about keyboard meetups is how little you can learn about a board from trying it for ten seconds in a noisy conference room

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what soldering kit does /mkg/ recommend for diy split keyboards?

>>107220068
I mainly using goot px280, goot tp30 and engineer ss02

>>107219532
>>107219710
No no, I'm sure it was good laughter. "Haha, this is great"

>>107220068
I'm using an aixun T245 right now, but there are plenty of good irons these days. Pinecil, TS100p, etc.

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>>107220068
Keyboards are generally easy to solder; you can do it with a $10 Weller

It's desoldering, which is the problem, and something you will have to do constantly

>>107220135
why would i have to desolder constantly?

>>107220135
hakko fr-300 is totally overkill

>>107220152
I mean, I guess you could 1 shot a diy keyboard, as someone who has never soldered before and presumably never made a keyboard before

>>107220168
I have one and it makes desoldering an absolute breeze. But yea it's like any expensive tool, only really worth it if you see yourself using it on at least a somewhat regular basis.

>>107220152
If you have to ask this question, you're going to need it.

>>107219243
>Alexotos
This guy has been doing a good job of filling the Taeha Types hole that was left behind when he was beamed up to Seneca Star Trek heaven

>>107220068
>>107220135
hi, pro solderer here, i fix traces
the orange one is fine, people bitch about soldering iron quality, your tool is only as good/bad as your are, i recommend one that has temp control but this one is fine
GET A HOOF TIP FOR YOUR IRON and flux

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Still thinking about this >>107219809 as I use my boards at home and notice how different they sound in a quiet home environment. When there's a lot of ambient noise many of the secondary notes disappear and all you hear is the main note. It's hard to judge boards by anything other than their look and feel in that environment.

With that said, I did come away with the impression that the Intro S100, Bauer Lite, and AKB Vero V2 are every bit as good (sound-wise) as I thought they'd be. I briefly tried an F1 8x but didn't get a clear impression of it, I should have used it a little longer. I'm sure it's good, though. I think the fact that boards in-person sounded like I thought they would says a lot about sound tests being actually reliable and good sources of info.

Another surprise: keyboards look bigger in person somehow. This is such a stupid thing to find surprising, especially since I own keyboards, it's not like I've only seen them online, but somehow it was weird to see so much space physically occupied by other people's keyboards. I don't know if I can explain it. There was a Class80 and it was yuge

Also discovered that novelties/accents/artisans/etc. are actually not as widespread as I expected, it's quite common for Torontonians to be into tastefully quiet keycaps and keyboards that look mostly normal. Maybe they were in the minority but it was a large minority, larger than I expected.

While thinking about all this just now I beat my old personal best monkeytype by 5wpm. Feels good.

>>107216851
I saw Alexotos at a meetup in Toronto earlier today. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

>>107212987
bump? anyone?

>>107221296
is the toronto meetup the biggest one?

>>107221341
This was a small meetup of only 250 people. Some in California have been over 600

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Hell
Fucking
Yeah

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managed to build the full hid file and now exposed all settings on hid. I can set every analog setting from terminal via a python script. could probably do some gui for it but probably won't bother.
tested most of them and they work, including switching to xinput or typing while in controller mode. the only one I still need to fix, which is python side, is okmc. have to somehow deal with keycodes.
I was thinking I could break down all key name letters, and reassemble in qmk, and then map it, this way I don't need an external map for keycodes. like have _ABCDE...012...9 and reassemble by same rules in QMK and match to some keycode internally. any ideas? if I do it like this I don't depend on any keycode dictionary, it's up to whatever QMK can resolve

>>107222972 me
ah shit I forgot about the rgb settings fml I just can't anymore my brain is melting down

bump pg 10

we're gonna survive this weekend ok

>>107220068
I just bought the pinecil today, still no idea if it's actually good or a huge meme since opinions vary a lot.

>>107225009
It's fine. It does its job. The plastic on mine cracked but it still works.

SPLIT
GANG

Question regarding hall effect keyboards, is this whole "one button two actions" thing worthwhile? I was looking at corsair and had it in my pocket for the future. I just don't wanna feel the need to slam the keys harder or anything like that

>>107226473
it's the opposite you need to have a very delicate touch to make good use out of it.

>>107226473
(and for the love of god don't buy a Corisar HE keyboard, but the Wooting 80HE)

Turns out the switches I won in the raffle at the meetup are basically Gateron Smoothies. (Gateron Khonsu)

Not sure what to do with them. I have a halway decent TKL from a group buy coming at some point in the distant future, maybe I can put them in that.

I think I'm starting to enjoy the Cherry profile keycaps now, it feels like my fingers strike adjacent keycaps way less now.

>>107187868
The yellow caps on this keyboard spell "HARD PENIS"

>>107227861
Actually they spell "He desires his dad's hard penis"

>>107226847
Not interested in anything not a full keyboard but I saw they have one so i'll give it a look. What's different about them? The price is more or less the same with addons so I thought i'd ask.

>>107227891
"...in his rear end"

>>107227899
>Not interested in anything not a full keyboard
you are deff not in the market for HE keyboards then, they are completely pointless on a full keyboard

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tfw just preordered a wooting 60he v2 iso split

>>107227931
>they are completely pointless on a full keyboard
No, all the benefits that actually matter (longevity etc) are still important on a full-size. I hope you're not still trying to push this nonsense about analog input gaymer gimmicks

>>107227907
actually "ass" is cleaner. "He desires his dad's hard penis in his ass"

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>>107228128
kek
bro modern HE switches aren't Honeywell D1B3S with a 3 billion actuation rating.

they are basically just retooled MX switches, the best HE switches still have 100M actuations tops. The same as good MX switches.

SO yes, HE is only for "analog input gaymer gimmicks" as you put it. Sorry to burst your bubble.

>>107228267
>the best HE switches still have 100M actuations tops.
That's only because actually testing switches past 100m actuations takes more time (& more money). That's not the real durability, that's just where they stopped testing.

>>107228290
cope however you want anon, the fact is you should only buy HE switches in their current form if you are specifically using them for gaming purposes.

>>107228267
>bro modern HE switches aren't Honeywell D1B3S with a 3 billion actuation rating.
DISAPPOINTED

>>107228267
>they are basically just retooled MX switches
Except for the mechanical crosspoint, aka the MX, aka the part that fails

>>107228390
I don't use HE switches at all. Your reasoning that they "only" go for 100m actuations is just flawed, and ignorant of what that number actually means.

>>107228267
I don't get this argument, it's the mootest point there is. people drop $200 on a keyboard and the switches are replaceable. switch longevity is as relevant as the longevity of the box your keyboard came in. people get all sorts of switches, their longevity is the last thing on the list for me lol, who the fuck cares? they're 50 cents a piece lol, just buy a few you moron

>>107228267
>SO yes, HE is only for "analog input gaymer gimmicks" as you put it. Sorry to burst your bubble.
> lol no it isn't, I make fewer typing mistakes now that I set actuation point lower in the press. you're totally clueless and HE salty
>but muh cope

>>107228448
Nah, the cherry gold crosspoint will last way longer than any nylon and spring does. I'm only talking about MX cherries here.

>>107228461
>my imaginary 100M actuation Rating: GOOD
>their imaginary 100M actuation Rating: BAD
listen
THE NYLONG AND SPRING ARE THE WEAKNESS HERE
NOT THE CONTACT

JUST BECAUSE ITS HE DOESNT MAKE THE NYLON LAST LONGER NOR WILL IT MAKE THE SPRING LAST LONGER

>>107228560
You are completely lost. I don't give a flying FUCK about longevity. I buy meme switches that only last 6 months.

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>>107228687
>I don't give a flying FUCK about longevity. I buy meme switches that only last 6 months.

>>107228604
I've owned Cherry boards with switches that failed. It took 8 years, but they did fail. And it was the contact that failed, not the stems or housing or springs.

This is normal. It was daily driven pretty hard by a gamer with a lot of free time. I'm not knocking Cherry switches, they're great. But *in theory* these new kinds of switch could mog them on longevity. It has yet to be proven but it's possible.

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>>107229219
MX2A.... the one with 100M clicks.... the one I am talking about..... in comparison to HE.... wasn't released.... until 2023......

>>107229500
I don't see why I wouldn't be just as skeptical of MX2A as I am of Hall Effect. In the past we've had mice switch to "double the longevity switches" and it turns out the contacts are just made of harder metals so they develop performance problems during what should have been their normal lifespan (but they don't deform out of spec as quickly). I don't know how Cherry has achieved 100m on MX2A but I'm going to consider it a meaningless marketing number until it is actually proven

>>107219261
depends on neodymium type, there's more types, some stronger, some weaker. they had to install something that fits the stem but also has the proper flux whatever at those distances. just get some magnetic switches anon

>>107229805
failure is mostly due to contact deforming or oxide layers.
no such thing on magnetic switches. unless the plastic case breaks the fuck down, the switch will work

>>107230016
>unless the plastic case breaks the fuck down
Which either happens never, or in thousands of years depending on the type of plastic.

>>107230016
>>107230028
what even is this?

Have you guys seriously never used switches to the point where the spring start to ping? When the push gets rougher, then eventually scratchy? When the return starts to loosen?

have you never worn out a tactile bump or click? what in gods green earth is this

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>>107229805
I completely agree. My beef is with the deceptive marketing of practices that lead people to think their HE switches are going to last a long time because of no contact.

They have no understanding of the engineering and size required for a switch that will actually reach 3 billion presses.

>>107230387
Moving the goal post. Failure =/= Worn out.

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only real keyboard guys get it

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>>107230513
You STUPID COCK EATING SHIT FUCKING RETARDED KEK FUCK FUCKEET

WEAR IS 1000 X TIMES MORE OF A PROBLEM FOR ANALOG SWITCHES

IT CHANGES THE BEHAVIOR OF THE WAY THE SENSOR READS YOUR INPUT
INSTEAD OF WEAR JUST BEING AN ANNOYANCE TO YOUR FAGGOT SENSES

ITS SOMETHING THAT WILL COMPLETELY CHANGE YOUR INPUT AND AT WORSE BREAK THE SENSING ALGORITHM

>>107230584
>WEAR IS [headcannon]

>>107230387
>spring ping
Only happens to me when switches are new & unlubed. After lubing the spring is silent.
>When the push gets rougher, then eventually scratchy? When the return starts to loosen?
>have you never worn out a tactile bump or click? what in gods green earth is this
Literally never. This has to be bait.

>>107230387
Generally speaking most switches feel better and even out with use, they don't get worse unless you're talking about Alps switches. That's why break-in stations for MX switches are so popular, because it's a way to add smoothness outside of lube and even out the characteristics between switches.

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>>107230663
>>107230665
>>107230689
I can't believe there are 3 people in this thread who have never worn out switches, my god

Maybe I've been snorting too much Crack and my hobbit of buying shitty meme switches has warped my perception of how often it happens

>>107230724
I don't really use meme switches, yeah. Just MX, Gaterons, and some older vintage switches like buckling spring, and Alps. Among those, Alps are the only ones I've ever worn out, and that's a pretty well known issue with those switches.

>>107230724
Its because the majority of them are zoomer faggots who probably don't even do typing at all besides wasd.

>>107230769
Not really.

How am I supposed to clean this area of the trackball on the Charybdis? The rollers were sticking too much, so I put a drop of oil on it with a syringe needle in the rollers. It didn't work, in fact it only made it dirtier. Now this dirt is difficult to remove.
I clean this almost every weekend, but the trackball keeps sticking. I also have a Kensington Expert that's almost two years old, I think I've only cleaned it once and it doesn't even have 10% of this dirt, not to mention the trackball doesn't stick.
I really like the Charybdis, but this sticking trackball is really making me lose my patience. I think I accidentally my keyboard.

GRAPHIC CONTENT: https://files.catbox.moe/9pzfli.jpg

>>107230791
Take it apart, blast that area with air or use a brush, then you probably just need to replace the bearings. If the bearings turn freely when out of the case then it's probably binding on something in the case, causing friction.

>>107230776
yes really.

>>107230869
No, I use my keyboard quite a bit.

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>>107229997
I am testing with normal HE switches. But the end goal here is to make a Maglev switch that uses TMR

something like this

>>107189482
>>107219012
>looks up keyboard
>have to put together the fucking thing
>all sold out
>do people really?
Find something better to do with your lives
On the other note, what is the best TKL? I spilled water on my Filco ninja and the keys are double pressing despite soaking in rice for 2 weeks. Should I bring it to a repair shop or just get a new keyboard

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>>107231129
all the best TLK keyboards you have to put together yourself

>>107230584
>IT CHANGES THE BEHAVIOR OF THE WAY THE SENSOR READS YOUR INPUT
>INSTEAD OF WEAR JUST BEING AN ANNOYANCE TO YOUR FAGGOT SENSES
your wrong bucko. that's the thing, nothing fucking changes. as long ass it has the same travel distance, no matter how scratchy it is, it will always, ALWAYS, read the same values. magnets don't wear out. doesn't matter if it goes side-to side 0.1mm, it's irrelevant to the read axis.
>ITS SOMETHING THAT WILL COMPLETELY CHANGE YOUR INPUT AND AT WORSE BREAK THE SENSING ALGORITHM
you're talking out of your ass. it doesn't "break the sensing algorithm" you dipshit lmao it does literally nothing. the "algorithm" takes a few averages on every read anyway.

>>107230387
that is not a problem, because magnetic switches aren't locked into that design. they are now for compatibility reasons, existing tooling and all that. way simpler to reuse mx style tooling and just omit the electrical part, and add a fucking magnet on the end of the stem lmao it's nothing really
but in time they'll start seriously diverting, there's a fuckload of wasted space inside, outer shell will change so there's no more interference issues with keycaps, literally zero reasons to keep the same shape as there's no more internal constraints. so inevitably magnetic switches will become imba compared to stoneage electric contact nonsense

>>107231060
hmm, want to push on magnets as it were? so you get that magnetic push feeling in the key? brother you need strong magnets for that thing, fingers have a lot of power compared to those puny magnets they now use. so you need stronger and larger magnets and less sensitive sensors.
you could also amplify the signal, there's no reason to settle for whatever the sensor is giving you. 2x or 3x that bitch with an opamp, if you need more signal. amplifying is an issue with AC when you get extra noise. but 2-3x should be fine no worries

genesis thor 404 full size review
>pros
gateron yellow pro, feels nice
solid build, sturdy
good cable cord
>cons
space key is mush for some reason
not qmk

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>>107231547
>>107230584
This is actually a pretty interesting question. When doing TMR force curve testing, I'll scratch up some of these stems and see if it changes the sensor input.

>>107231597
That small little magnet was actually absurdly strong; it takes 317 grams to push two of those guys together. The trick is going to be making the TMR sensors less sensitive for sure U_U

I'm going to have to give them a metal shim.

>>107231994
desu that magnet looks rather large compared to the ones in my gateron dual rail switches.
I wouldn't be surprised if these switches transition into fully integrated ones, which still slot into electrical sockets. there's just too many variables. varying stocks of sensors, magnet strenghts/sizes. makes more sense to have them integrated and have all have standard voltage output. they'd need three pins instead of two. but would solve some headaches.
if one sensor shits itself you gotta desolder it and who the fuck knows what specific model it is, where to source it from etc. but with them integrated in the switch, that becomes irrelevant, just pop a new switch instead.
this way you could experiment with magnets on the other side of the PCB, in place of the HE sensor, and have the TMR inside the switch case, which would work fine for its sense axis.

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The paint keeps chipping at the edges.. I got some marine-grade clear coat for when I repaint the edges. Seems to stick better to the knobs, which I stripped off the anodised(?) coating with oven cleaner first.
Kyuu Elven:

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>>107232777
>>107231994
here's what I mean, it's clearly smaller. and it's rectangular, not round.

>>107231937
I just tried it with a pretty large neodymium magnet, I have a cube one 2x2x2 cm, which is quite strong, and I took out a switch, dissambled it and took the spring out, and put it back without the spring, and seated it on the large magnet, and indeed the push force was similar to that of the spring. quite interesting. but this is a huge ass magnet. there no way to have such a monster anywhere in the keyboard.
but with larger switch magnets, could work with smaller magnets on the other side of the pcb. the effect is interesting, feels like a spring.

>>107230791
3d print a new housing for the trackball area, but this time the BTU variant.

>keyboard randomly breaks
>reconnect it, nothing works
>reflash the firmware
>it starts working again
>reflash my keybinds
>it breaks
>reflash random keybinds
>it works
>reflash my keybinds
>it works, until I try to switch layer, and then it breaks again
Yeah, I don't have a fucking clue what is wrong with this shit.

>>107231890
What plate does it have? Also, where did you even get it? I only see it on one seemingly western site, and the rest are third world.

>>107233584
I just sent back a keyboard that, when plugging it into the USB ports on my back monitor, disabled the USB ports on my monitor until I restarted my PC. Never seen that shit happen before, ever. I've plugged in like 30 different brands of keyboards into this monitor, and they all worked instantly.

>>107233688
After some more trial and error it seems like downgrading to an older FW fixes it. Bizarre, I guess the internal FW got corrupted, and attempting to reflash that caused it to not actually do a proper flash? Well, I'm sticking to the old FW, don't want to tempt fate and update it again.

This keyboard has always been a bit iffy, a year or so back some of the F keys stopped working, so I tried cleaning out the switches as much as possible, multiple times, often causing other random keys to break. Then I updated the FW and everything worked perfectly.

USB can be fucky sometimes, device crashes often disable the whole hub, I've had USB failures that wiped out ALL the USB ports and forced a restart.

>>107233739
What's fucking bizarre is I tested it the day before it gave me issues, new out of the box, and it worked instantly upon plugging it in. The very next day it was absolutely spastic and flashing lights upon being plugged in, disabling the hub on the back, and requiring a restart. It worked on my PC's USB ports, though, even after doing that to my monitor.

>>107233680
yourope, $80, the address on the back is poland
no idea what plate, the thing is not too heavy but not light either

Wait till Black Friday to save what ten bucks or just fuck it

>>107234307
depends. if it's 10 bucks out of 20, totally worth it. if it's 10 bucks out of 200...why bother

>>107234365
interesting way to look at it

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thoughts on TTC Frozen Silent V2

Unlocked all keys on keybr again, this time at 40 wpm. X was a bitch, after that it only too 5 more minutes. I will probably do 40 again starting tomorrow and 45 after that.

>>107231129
>Find something better to do with your lives
I genuinely wonder what the putthefuckingthingtogetherer people did with their lives before this became "a thing".
I have no idea because my interests are not determined by autistic consoomer trends and (((peer acceptance))).

>>107235107
>I genuinely wonder what the putthefuckingthingtogetherer people did with their lives before this became "a thing".
they put shit together, that's what we do. we put shit together. we're fighting entropy
>I have no idea
read a book retard

>>107232777
There are a lot of HE sensors, but the only real TMR sensor in town is TMR2617S‑AAC (there are older versions of this too that some keyboards use)

TMR2617 used to be easy to buy publicly, but now you have to contact MDT to buy them.

I think HE will become the standard over TMR just because HE has normalized specs that are easy to copy. TMR is a shit show in comparison. Also the TMR2617 only lasts like 10 years, 15 at absolute best, while a HE sensor like MA7010P3, could last for like 1000 years.

Putting the sensor inside the switch would be sick tho. For my self made TMR switches thats deff what Im going to do. Since there is no drain on TMR, and since the position of the sensor needs to be ultra exact, it makes more sense to to have an in-switch sensor.

>>107235107
>I genuinely wonder what the putthefuckingthingtogetherer people did with their lives before this became "a thing".
Ham radio was a big one. My grandfather was big into that.

>>107235107
I have never wanted to "build" my own keyboard, that shit is for retards. Why would you build something you could just buy for 5 bucks? I build shit to do it cheaper, or higher quality.

>>107236821
This. I used to build radios before consumer-grade microcontrollers and 3D printing completely BTFO that hobby.

>>107236880
O_O what a weird thing to say, you see the utility in building something for yourself (cheaper, higher quality) but dont understand why someone would want to build their own keyboard

>>107234853
>3.5mm travel
no

Kinda weird that people completely stopped talking about Jane and Kohaku, but are still talking about F1 five years later

>>107237443
>five years later
You can still buy them right now
https://geon.works/products/f1-8x-v2-barebone-kit

>>107236611
>while a HE sensor like MA7010P3, could last for like 1000 years.
I hope it will last a while, though not sure how it fares in pulsed condition. they're getting hammered and there's no capacitors close to their power supply pins, for obvious reasons.

>>107236611
>MA7010P3
that's THT tho, who uses it in keyboards?

disappointing to see the rise of mechanical keyboards the last decade with literally thousands of different mx switches, all the same size.

you'd think they'd released 3 different sizes by now, with pcb's that have different spacing.

>>107238547
there's low profile switches

>>107238573
i wasn't talking about vertical differences.

>>107238639
probably tooling wasn't worth it for sale volume?

>>107238663
which is weird, because of the rise of the whole custom keyboard thing. the first one that releases such options will probably make a killing, especially the asian market.

The spacebar flipper broke in my unicomp that's fucking 3 years old. I'm gonna have to bolt mod. I hate this.
Also, I installed a usb -> bluetooth pcb from Aliexpress into the Mini M, shit's cash. I recommend.

>>107238687
it's way more lucrative to ask for $300 for a chunk of CNCd aluminium than bother with the tooling for some obscure new format that has no guarantee for return, at 30 cents a pop or whatever
this is a perception market, like the audiophile market is. it doesn't work on anything concrete, just perception. ... like religion for example. higher income if you create the image vs investing in actual technology

>>107238764
>The spacebar flipper broke in my unicomp that's fucking 3 years old. I'm gonna have to bolt mod. I hate this.
wanna buy mine?
>Also, I installed a usb -> bluetooth pcb from Aliexpress into the Mini M, shit's cash. I recommend.
wanna sell it to me?

>>107238885
Nah, it's a good keyboard otherwise, I'll just fix it. It's a PITA but oh well. It's just funny because I have an original IBM M that's 30 years old and works perfectly, and this unicomp shit breaks after 3 years of use.

And this is the board if you want to convert yours: https://aliexpress.com/item/1005009496603200.html
I paired it with 675568 lipo battery, it fits just right in the case.

>>107238970
>I have an original IBM M that's 30 years old and works perfectly
My '88 M is still solid, even the rivets are largely intact
>this unicomp shit breaks after 3 years of use
My '21 Unicomp is still physically fine, I just hate the USB
>if you want to convert yours
Nah, I was talking about the Mini M. I also hate Bluetooth even more than USB

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blew my mind when i found out what this that came with my keyboard are for

>>107238687
arent the choc switches smaller in horizontal dimensions?

>>107238314
For my knowledge, Wooting is using something like that sensor but custom-made to be analog. I can't find the actual sensor they use

>>107234853
It's a linear that's silent.

Forgot to mention I got owned at the keyboard meetup. I was trying a board with silent switches and I put my ear down closer to the board to hear if the bottom out had a little bit of a sound, and a guy near me said "no no, you won't hear anything, those are silent" like I was making a mistake

There was no use trying to explain that I like to finely discriminate the sound signatures of different "silent" switches, it was already over for me

>>107234853
How does the hysterisis compare to red switches?

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>>107240539
That's rough, buddy. I think it's time to consider changing your name and moving.

>>107241358
I'll get them back next year. Just gotta find some snowflake vintage bullshit nobody else has. Doesn't even need to work lol they wouldn't know the difference. Write "please don't pick up" on the sign so they know it's extra valuable.

>>107237088
What's wrong with 3.5mm travel? I've never used a switch with less than 4mm of travel.

>>107242043
It's not the end of the world, but I don't like less than 4mm on a linear switch. On tactiles and clickies, it's fine. But on linears it always feels abrupt to me.

>>107240539
Fuck those retards. Fuck the retards ITT. You never stop.

>>107238639
Choch switches also also have lower width.

So far put of the 8 TMR/HE sensors I've tested, the AS5600 is by far the most consistent. 45 steps over 4MM, doesn't need filtering, and can easily be put into a matrix. Too bad its too expensive for a practical PCB. It would be child's play to get it working inside a dactyl (but also cost nearly 400 dollars)

>>107243819
where are you getting your sensors from man? just put in a Mouser order and get 20-30 different sensors for peanuts. and design some basic 3x3 switch pcb with common footprints, sot23-3 under the switch, and whatever tmr sensors package come in to the side, and do some proper testing with cheapo sensors. pcb is like 2$ for 5 pieces

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dropped another stack of cash on keyboard bullshit

>>107243918
Ok 400 dollars was wrong, but its genuinely an expensive sensor https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/ams-osram-usa-inc/AS5600-ASOT/7793265

Most of the sensors ive bought off MDT directly or digikey have been less than 50 cents.

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>>107244186
yeah that's expensive. but also funny in a sense, it captures analog, digitizes it, then again goes into a DAC, which you would theoretically capture via ADC and digitize again lmao. or yeah extract data via i2c but still funny

>>107244130
thank you for keeping the market going anon