Is Digital ID good for you?
Is a full scale Cyber Panopticon good for you?
>>107224448Universal, global, complete, comprehensive Cyber Panopticon*
>>107224440>carbon credit system isnt that just a fancy name for a dollar?
it's a sacrifice we will just have to make.
>>107224467Isn't it really?
>>107224474>your bank connected to your digital idsurely your bank already has all the id they could possibly need
>>107224497Exactly, people go nuts over digital id when you already are ID'd. Like what the fuck does natwest not know about your id already?
>>107224474>spend my daily limit of carbon emission>have to wait a day to go shopping
>>107224535>spend my daily wage of dollars>have to wait a day to go shopping exactly the same thing
>>107224497>>107224534>they all got everything anyway goyim thats why you should stop caring and give them everything already
>>107224440It's good if you're niggercattle like this retard >>107224534
>>107224539not being able to do something at all vs. not having money that you can just borrow is not the same thing, kikesteintoo obvious
>>107224542youre the goy trying to make everyone scared of nothing to stop them noticing more important things
>>107224557paying fines or being locked out of living because you took a shit too many times that day (something that shouldnt be tracked anyway) is quite important, mr. silverberg
>>107224573no one mentioned shit or fines or being locked out of anything you wouldnt already be locked out of without any dollars
>>107224542>>107224551Didn't answer the question. What does digital id enable natwest to know about your identity that they didn't already?
>>107224600You sound like someone who really loves Windows 11
>>107224603>shekleberg gets called out >tries to derailuseless thread
>>107224440Can they demonstrate the ability to keep this data secure?
>>107224535damn I can't believe president biden would do this millions of americans are gonna starve to death under democrat communism
>>107224440It is. If you disagree you are antisemitic.
>>107224654That they can consolidate and verify this data at all is the problem.
>>107224600Good thing it's not about natwest, then, innit?Downstream firms, like natwest, get to skip a step of dilligence.
>>107224465Is being DNA unverified good for you?
>>107224665
the mark is a multi tiered system. i believe the vax was the first major implementation. digital id is the next step. (((them))) banning porn now is honestly a more alarming move than just not doing anything. because im sure that isnt their true intention at all. weve been under this for so many decades. also by now the damage is done already.
>>107224673I too agree with that premise, but when the general population has just spent a few decades trying it's hardest to find shitty excuses to *give* them this data to consolidate, good luck convincing them it's a 'problem'.Personally, I'm not apheared by my .gov having such information - they should already have it - it's being in an easily digitally digestable format and the total lack of control over the downstream applications.Even if - and I do not for one second consider this true - .gov intentions for this are benevolent, then it *will* be (ab)used by third parties.
Digital ID will happen because most people prefer convenience over privacy and there are less of those who prefer the latter every year. Privacy and anonymity died because people simply don't care enough.
>>107224685>Is being DNA unverified good for you?Good thing DNA is something you can keep secure, and don't leave everywhere you go. Real easy to change once it ends up in the public domain too.
>>107224685>simplify financial transactionsthey're as simple as they could be right now>streamline healthcare servicesdigital id has nothing to do with how good healthcare services are >reduce the amount of criminal activitity significantlysurely importing browns and other undesirables doesnt have a 1000 times bigger effect on this aspectits not even subtle how badly technocrats want us to become slaves
>>107224467nah, it's a system that says you have to eat bugs and live in the pod and can't drive but taylor swift and bill gates can have private jets and china can do what they want >energy consumption bad>except when chatgpt does it
>>107224615>actually, youre the kike for not wanting digital IDshills dont even try anymore.
>>107224723As a consumer, yes. Energy consumption is bad. You're charged for it. You want to eat as little of it as possible, and get the most out of it. Ideally supplying your own. Once there's no input cost, slurping it up starts to make sense.
>>107224739Good thing slop like Rust is being pushed meaning that every single phone's battery will be dying x10 faster and you won't get a say in any of this.
>>107224739global warming isn't real and it's just a hoax being perpetrated by the rich and china to reduce living conditions for Americans and yuros
>>107224749Qute. Your feeble mind concieves I'd use a phone.>>107224787Sure. There's absolutely no thermal consequence to taking a few million years of stored solar energy and releasing it in a few deades.
>>107224816*decades
>>107224816>>107224823why are energy limits only being imposed on normal people in the US and yurop and not on the rich or china or india?if you're worried about global warming, the obvious answer is to castrate every man in the global south. that would do more to prevent climate change than anything currently proposed
>>107224846>why are energy limits only being imposed on normal people in the US and yurop and not on the rich or china or india?These are. I phear you're failing to understand the problem. The 'ultra poor' tend to just steal it, or due to energy poverty use worse. The 'regular' folk of these nations are only able to buy the same manufactured products you are.I fully understand it's a scam they push things like energy saving lights at you claiming they'll save you munny, while that ~80W/bulb that's just saved over the year barely bought a bulb, it has just saved *them* munny when that 80W/bulb across that grid section has resulted in 2x less power stations needing to be built to keep up with population expansion.The grid is under stress. Here. There. Everywhere, tho the least stung is china thanks to the scale they're rolling out renewables.As population continues to expand - and now, the explosion in AI-fueled datacenter demand - combined with the complete lack of investment in infrastructure to compensate, at the private and governmental levels, there is only one inevitable outcome: Prices up. For you, because the company isn't going to run at a loss...I'm not "worried" about global warming. I acknowledge it as a reality. I don't think it's clever to hit fast forward on the fucker. And really, as one of the heavier polluters going, you wipe out USA you'd do a heluvah lot more.
>>107224943global warming isn't real. renewables aren't real. india and china are worse polluters than the US. the fact no one gives a shit about data centers also shows that it's a scam, ESL
>>107224440this is the faggiest thing on earth and i'd rather live in india than be pozzed with this shit
>>107225016Literally, everything in that post couldn't try harder to be wrong.We'll ignore the global warming bit, you're determined to be a spastic about that. And renewables are definitely real, I really don't think we need to be hitting that.India and china being 'worse' polluters is an interesting argument. You see, "the west" decided to export all it's shittier manufacturing processes to the "thirdies" so they can have all the shiny things without the shit it makes. You don't really get to shit on your neighbours doorstep and then point: He's got shit on his doorstep. And when you try it, that kinda makes you look like the cunt you are.As for their own natural expansion, excluding external interferences, You did it. Now you want to try and tell them they can't? As opposed to helping them do it a better way.As for datacenters, if you scrub that off your economy, do you realise how hard your recession would be right now? Might want to look into that.
>>107225070>reddit spacing>still lying and saying global warming is realI ain't reading all that, faggot. write like a normal person. I'm not going to reduce my energy usage when the rich fly on private jets and china and india don't have any energy restrictions
>>107225100They have the same restrictions you do. The ability to pay for what they consume.I'm not suggesting you 'reduce your energy consumption so the rich can fly on jets' I'm suggesting you generate your own and deprive them of your money. Failure in that regard will just buy them another jet as you continually pay more and more. I also didn't suggest you restrict your usage as much as find more efficient ways to achieve, and your determination to be a spastic in this regard is what ensures you will be buying them another jet shortly.I write like an educated person. You'd be able to spot that if your country had something resembling educational standards. It's called "paragraphs", ask an adult what they're about when you get bored sometime.
>>107225161>more reddit spacing>more esl retardationnone of those energy treaties like the paris treaty do jack or shit to china, india, the rich or data centers. I'm not giving in a pod and eating the bugs while gates flies around on private jets and I ain't reading your reddit spaced ESL drivel, faggot
>>107224534>person do bad thing to you so you might as well make it as easy as possible for them to do even worse thing to you
>>107225220This.This is why you fail.Over the coming years, as you watch everything around you crumbling to shit and you look for someone to blame, do not neglect the mirror.
>>107225240I'm sure you advocate for more h1bs too, tranny
>>107224551If you really cared about privacy you wouldnt be posting here with the feds to begin with
>>107224440Yes, because I live in a country where you don't actually need it. You can use it to log in to government websites and that's about it. You can just ignore it and go to the office by foot and fill whatever form you need. Digital id just makes this process faster, that's all there is to it here.
>>107224749>meaning that every single phone's battery will be dying x10 faster[benchmark needed]
>>107225100>doesn't even know what reddit spacing isThis thread is extra retarded today I see
>>107225650xe was redditspacing, you fagolio
>>107224440Once it becomes impossible to live without it. The solution is to start cutting down power lines, destroying cell towers. Running signal jammers.
>>107224440If you import Muslims (also known as dangerous terrorists from an alien culture) you need to track every movement of your citizens, otherwise people just start getting exploded.
>>107225925>Thus, a clearconnection can be established between multiculturalism and theinternational money power whose agenda is to establish worldgovernment by destroying the nation-state.'The Milner Fabian Conspiracy' doesn't mention technocracy but in hindsight it's essentially implied. Everywhere you look, whenever 'World Government' is mentioned it's intrinsically linked with technology. I've heard that it's been called for 100 years ago in the elite's writings but I don't remember which ones specifically, perhaps it's Huxley's and his ilk.Problem: Crime, lawlessness, mass immigrationReaction: Protests, "something must be done"Solution: Cyber PanopticonWithout Step 1 you can't have the justification for draconian measures, as feeble and paperthin they may be. Historically the civilized first world society of Christian Britain - England, Scotland, Wales, RoI, and even the entirety of the European continent with all its self-restraint, high IQ and industriousness, in the last century has no need for a totalitarian technocratic dystopia to control it, but a barbaric society "needs" such a system. Why would a nice 70 year old English lady in the 1980s comply with a 'papers please' society, especially when her countrymen defeated a country that was a 'papers please' country within living memory?
>>107226283>writings of the eliteDO NOT watch this https://archive.org/details/cv-is-really-about-technocracy
anyone arguing that digital ID is a good thing is misinformed or overoptimisticop's image is kind of stupid in a sense because it skips several levels. "needed to travel" ok I need to show physical ID to travel and facial recognition exists. "needed to drive" I have to carry a drivers license to be able to drive lmao. needed to vote, many and I would dare say most societies require you to show ID to vote in elections. it being digital or not doesn't really matter.digital ID could theoretically provide *some* benefits to "needed to shop" (or enter a bar/age restricted purchase) by merely transmitting an image of the bearer and a cryptographically secure assertion that they're over 21.where digital ID gets dangerous is when the ID is "needed to shop" as in "it's in the same tap as apple pay" and more broad, or particularly, for online. digital ID to open a gmail account to prevent impersonation and fraud. digital ID to buy computer parts from Newegg. digital ID to access porn. digital ID to buy an eSIM for a cell phone.the larger danger of digital ID is the internet.NYU langone is trying to force amazon biometric shit. their checkin kiosks went from allowing you to skip enrollment to requiring you to hold your hand above the amazon one bullshit palm scanner. i just took a piece of paper in between my hand because I don't want jeff bezos having my palm geometry, then skipped enrollment as unrecognized. if they force that shit to see my orthopedist i'll never go back
>>107224467No, it's more like a secondary currency that's worth more than dollars.You can have all the money but if you exceed your carbon allowance you won't be allowed to make that purchase.
>>107224553What makes you think you won't also be allowed to borrow carbon allowances against your future self?
They already know everything about you. They track your purchases and everything you say online. A digital ID doesn't really change anything but it will make it harder for illegals to vote which is a GOOD thing.
>>107224440>nextAll of that already exists though
>>107226555I know the masters already track my purchases and my movements and my speech, and I don't like that. I want them to stop doing that. I want to stop them from doing that. I certainly don't support anything that gives them even more power, even if that would make life harder for people I don't like. I would rather give every illegal immigrant a mansion and forty virgin wives than support digital ID.
>>107226555Shalom Rabbi, how's the weather in Telaviv?
>>107224440Yes, digital ID is bad, mkay.So just keep giving your social security number to the supermarket instead so they know they can do business with you. They probably won't have a data breach that will fuck you over. Who needs asymmetric cryptography? Just have a single number that, when it's exposed (either accidentally or because the company needed money and someone was buying SSNs) by one of the hundred companies you had to give it to, completely ruins your life.
>>107226665Your government can't covertly insert the presidents dick into an intern without literally the entire world knowing about it but I'm sure they won't fuck this up and are totally trustworthy.>giving the supermarket any personal dataWhat the fuck is wrong with mutts.
>>107224440Just wait until they find the government has a database and something called driver license, yes they have you name and address and know where to find you. And then they force you to show that card for do everything in that list...
Is food good for you?
Is unauthorized shopping good for you?
>>107227165
Is having a pint good for you?
>>107227155Hello, Bill, we already had that mandatory QR-code grocery store access thing 5 years ago during Cough-19. People weren't able to buy anything for like 12 hour one day because of internet outage. Not a good idea to make everything online.
>>107224440The moment I am denied food I will start killing people. Not even joking at this point.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/11/lawmakers-want-ban-vpns-and-they-have-no-idea-what-theyre-doing
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1763321802081005.mp4
>>107224739retarded niggercattle, when >>107224723 "and can't drive" that also includes analog bicycles and walking.
>>107224846>why are energy limits only being imposed on normal people in the US and yuropYeah just yesterday I got raided for running my own rack at home. Get a fucking grip you subhuman single digit IQ amoebae.
>>107224440Only anglos are afraid of having national ID documents. Pathetic pussies
Is being a housed citizen good for you?
Is a CBDC good for you?
Is understanding consequences good for you?https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/7eb0abda-88fe-4d70-9005-77a3e812ca3e/Digital%20ID%20and%20Informed%20Consent.pdfRemember Informed Consent?
>>107224440>mark of the beast isn't realWhen they introduce UBI with this shit for everyone to survive, it's the real deal. Can't fucking believe it why was I brought into this existence
>>107224739>Energy consumption is badBreathing and eating is energy consumption, why are you bad by existing? Why don't you go first, you demon possessed normgroid.
>>107224816>>107224739nigga, you really are shilling for the New World Order here? for real? You bot or retarded, call it!
>>107226283Thoughts on this? Is the analysis wrong?
>>107225925you really think that this is all about the muslims?????? for real????
>>107228147there are all kind of bots working all day to make 4chan less interesting
>>107228182yea but some effort in the damn bot troll shitposts!!! I need a good bait! look at the other retard claiming that the whole Digital ID is here just to track Muslims - this is a good bait somewhat because you either imagine the most retarded 60 iq mongoloid writing it or someone who browsed vintage 2016 /pol/ and have not a matured a day since. And no, governments trying to brainwash, track and control its population is not because of Muslims as history has examples of such governments going so far back in the future, Islam was not invented yet. Rome and Ancient China all had systems of controlling the population. Why do you think Rome had such well developed sporting avenues and sport culture? because the Greeks used sports to control the plebs. All of this 1000 years before Islam existed.
Remember that any criticism to this digital ID = satan thing is actually just a paid shill or bot so you do NOT need to do things like a rational argument. Just scream buzzwords at them until they go away.
>>107228234Reading comprehension 0/10. The muslims see themselves as conquerors while they're used by the elite to abolish the West, it's not a conspiracy against them; and it doesn't mean that the Fabians and the Klaus Schwabs are muslim by the way.>look at the other retard claiming that the whole Digital ID is here just to track Muslims the other way around, they're here as a cassus belli so that the panopticon can be established, but that's one methodology, another is the sci-fi propaganda from hollywood, the gradual development of technology, the always expanding surveillance in which the aftereffects of 9/11 in domestic policy played a huge part, and the Covid lockdown with its test run of the track and trace program. See pic related, why would the state go against its citizens in virtually all aspects of life? Institution of Marriage, schools, healthcare, entertainment, private communication, food and water? It's much more comprehensive than you think.Historically you can argue that absolute Christian Monarchies were authoritarian and unpleasant, but the rulers never had the insane power and surveillance of today, and they didn't intend to establish a Beast system, or in the best case scenario, something that's one step away from it. A moral religious society like we've had in the past centuries in Europe does not need nor will it tolerate a 1984 totalitarian technocracy, hence my point about the nice old English lady above, as opposed to the decadent society of today.There's nothing irrational from reading this thread and thinking of the book of Revelation.Multiculturalism is a tool to destroy cultures and religions like Christianity in particular. https://grokipedia.com/page/Eurabia_political_thesis
>>107228686Why don't you just go back to /pol/? We are talking how to install Digital ID on Arch Linux here
Reminder this is what happens when you give up your firearms. When a government has a monopoly on violence they have a monopoly on everything.
>>107228780I wouldn't have brought it up if it wasn't connected, and it is. Technology and government power are interlinked and by extension technology and conspiracy is, and that relationship will only grow if there's no resistance. Another example: mRNA vaccines are a technology and their use is a political issue, both simultaneously.Technocracy is the ultimate /g/ topic, fuck your arch btw.
>>107224534found the stinky mason
>>107228180found the shriner
keep fighting eachother goyim
>>107229191
Who was in the wrong here?
>>107224704true
>>107228034I already have to give the landlord my name and SSN. Pretty much renting from anywhere other than friends/family requires a bunch of information. What does this even change?
>>107230614WW is underrated
>>107232028smartphone use becomes mandatory>no, I don't want to be tracked by jewgle/crapple and its "rogue" employees real time and get b& from society if I breathe the wrong way or don't take the next experimental gene therapy>no, I don't want to fiddle with a big touchscreen in such a bright light (the sun) that I can't see anything anyway>no, I don't want everyone to know how much chicken thigh I buy and eatetc etc
>>107229191Only Americans believe in left and right and democracy and shit. All other nations kinda know that voting for or against Putin, will give you Putin anyway, so better stay at home and think of ways to pay less taxes to Putin and work under the table somehow.Most of the digital ID laws cannot really be stopped, but if enough people try to use less of the services that need them, then the digital ID will lose its power. You can also steal or use IDs from other people, so if the system does not work, it will be meaningless.That being said people nowadays really would rather fight the other local side of the political compass as if the leaders are not the same.
>>107228686Just post this whole argumentation to /pol/. I am deeply unconvinced of Christian church not going full 1984 if they could. I am not advocating for immigration and I am not really countering your arguments, but come on.... Don't tell me that Christians like freedom.
>>107228014eat shit tranny
>>107224440Most of these things you've always needed an ID for except for shopping and existing (and technically healthcare if you pay out of pocket and don't have government gibs or insurance). I think in third world countries that don't have regular IDs they use driving licenses as substitute anyway. And all that before Internet was even invented. What would really change with Digital ID?
>>107232924We're talking about different categories of power. A couple of things -Presumption of innocence. What we're talking about here is a presumption of guilt for every citizen, a zero trust society that mandates endless verification. That has not existed in any Christian culture, or any other culture historically that I'm aware of.Queen Elizabeth I, when pressured to "surveil", anachronistic term but it applies, the population to root out Catholic belief famously said 'I don't want to make windows into men's souls'. A Christian society wont tolerate mass immigration of Islam, on account of lets say 14 centuries of war with them, a Satanist or a Marquis de Sade but it will not seek to establish a Big Brother to run your daily life with eye scanners like in Minority Report.See the exhaustive argumentation in 'Libido Dominandi: Sexual Liberation and Political Control' by EMJ if you're unconvinced, specifically the chapters on the French Revolution. There's a historical mechanism, a dialectic - a society that is unhinged invites and requires political control and authoritarianism, whereas a moral society leads to a free society, the best society, which relates to the presumption of innocence point above. Your government increasingly doesn't trust you and it treats you like a criminal.When a society has a leash on its 'passions', when it 'serves God and not itself' it becomes free, paradoxically, or in secular terms 'discipline leads to freedom', that's the dichotomy of the 'City of God vs The City of Man' as outlined by Augustine. The traditional churches still exist today and they don't advocate for more use of technology for being a good moral Christian. They could easily program an app, or maybe partner with Neuralink in the future, with an E-priest that you have to absolutely submit to, that monitors and controls everything that you do, but they don't, because that's not Christianity.
>>107224440No and kill everybody who propose it immediately fuck commies...
>>107232924>Don't tell me that Christians like freedom.Christians ended slavery
>>107225610Nah you're supposed to listen to the deranged schizo rant and believe everything the op image says
>>107234371I don't think you know what communist is
>>107234576i literally lived in communist regime during 80's in my country...
>>107234576Starmer who is pushing DID is a Fabian Socialist.
>>107234547Well, just because my country has chosen sane option, doesn't mean other countries like UK add a dystopian spin to it. It's not a schizo theory that eg UK wants to require digital ID to get a job.This sort of bullshit should be opposed just as any sort of EU-wide digital ID because it will inevitably be abused.This is a slippery slope territory and if you don't trust your government you should never let it pass(EU should never be trusted)
The more pertinent question is, >Does /g/ care about freedom?
>>107236548/g/ are terminal contrarians so no, never has never will.
>>107236576They ought to, because /g/ and 4chan as a whole existing in the first place depends on resistance against Digital ID.https://x.com/JimFergusonUK/status/1988514762896855155
>>107224474Sorry goy, you cannot eat out here tonight, you have exceeded your carbon footprint. Try a healthy salad instead.
>>107237631I see (((them))) only allowing me to purchase food I'm deathly allergic to for whatever reason they can dream up, like a "bug"
It has its use cases but it is just another centralised system that is easier to attack. A sim swap and the many ways to steal someones password and you have someones whole life. I have battle tested digital ID for 5 years and it is just a marketing scheme to make people easier targets.
>>107224440>Forced to hand over personal data to likely insecure government or private contracted databasesNo it's shit. And parents can already protect their kids from going to adult sites if they cared to put in effort. Not that modern parents do.
>>107237590>They ought to, because /g/ and 4chan as a whole existing in the first place depends on resistance against Digital ID.There's a reason the official 4chan drawing for the 22nd birthday this year was picture related.
page 10?
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1763421638851008.mp4• “If a billion people stop eating meat…”• “We’re developing the ability to track consumers’ carbon footprint.”• “What are they eating? How are they traveling?”• “Meat and dairy producers should pay for the damage they cause.”• “Every cup of coffee you drink harms the planet.”• “Your future protein won’t come from meat.”
>>107234576Every implementation of communism ended up with authoritarianism.
>>107224440Uncle Ted did nothing wrong
>>107240910I can't wait until this becomes official and in turn justifiable to kill these transhumanist kikes
Curious.
*established a dystopia*
>>107227387You know it's fucked beyond repair when a jeet calls you out.
>>107224440Revelation 13:16-17>It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name
>>107224534>Private communications should be monitored and controlled for any form of wrongthink because we already allowed invasions of our privacy in the past.I hate the anti-Christ.
Nobody in this thread has any idea what a digital idea would even look like, you just get mad and scared. You already have a digital ID (a unique number associated with your identity) by the way if you're American, it's your SSID.
>>107224440It's better than the anarcho-tyranny of; oops we let millions into your country and we don't know who they are or where they are. Oops did they vote? Oops they collected millions of dollars of welfare using dead people's Social Security numbers.We are getting digital ID by one government or another. Under a multicultural government they will need it to maintain law and order from all the violent newcomers. Under a right wing government to control immigration and corruption. What matters is how it is instituted. Does it require a trial in order to block access to services/freedoms? Are the decisions made verifiable and contestable? It is a tool which will amplify either the goodness or badness of a government.
>>107242563This. It doesn't really matter what you think, it's happening.
>>107242563 in case you aren't working for them, see >>107226283>>107228686>>107234360
>>107242012GNU affero cant even save us
>>107224440This is what failing empires do. They know they are outdated and have nothing to offer so the best they can do is control everything, tyrannise everyone, and attempt to manage decline.
>>107237590sooner or later, the free Internet will only exist on the darknet
>>107241992yep, mandatory (((smartphones))) are coming
>>107232028Your name and ssn aren't trackable across websites as sellable information. The exploitation and identification to remove your freedoms is the change, retard.
>>107244288grapheneos, dumbphones or no phones at all
>>107224467>Wants to buy a steak>Only 150 carbon credits left for the rest of the month>The steak costs 200>Can't buy the steak, even if you have the dollars
>>107225231What bad thing? What worse things? Easier how? Which person?
>>107242409Who are you quoting
>>107224440NoAnyone advocating for it deserves the death penalty
>>107225925What does that have to do with digital ID?
>>107227364We know, Jamal. You're not "being denied", you just need to pay for it
>>107228083Then kys
>>107234629And?
>>107243630What's being controlled?
>>107245756>anon discovers "not being able to afford things"
>>107244363Neither is a digital id
>>107238046I'm an idiot, can someone more versed in the symbolism explain what I'm looking at?
>>107245907Bullshit. By the nature of forced identification, it is trackable even ZKPs are traceable and provable to source.
>>107224440Heh, no need to thank him, he's already raping a kid in some UK basement.
>>107242547Americans treat their government like a mythical creature that wants to fuck them over but it can't just do that directly, it's bound by some arbitrary magic contract that states that unless they give in and accept some completely unrelated thing, they're safe>ha, you can't turn me into a thrall, vampire, not unless I invite you to my house!
>>107246063Most americans have a 12 gauge shotty they can use to blast a few of the American Government's kids, staff or politicians if something outrageous passes.
>>107246014What forced identification? And you don't need a ZKP, there is a source of truth available that can mediate between you
Throw out your smartphones
>>107246089Most americans think not having a plastic rectangle with their name, face and DoB on it in their wallet is the only thing between how things are and being imprisoned in a pod with blowie9000 sucking their semen out to power the matrix for the elites
>>107224470how are either of the two related
>>107224440>be me, webmaster>host a website>get DDoS by thirdie lowlife every other week>digital ID happens>I drop every connection that is not submitting an ID>I drop every connection from an ID issued by China, Russia and Israel>No more DDoSIt's good for me.
>>107246295you could've just put known IPs on your ban list from those countries.>China, Russia, Israel, India, Turkey: Autoban.Saves the hassle and makes you think.
>>107246295but you have to determine if they are submitting an ID, and if you are accepting IDs you have to check them, as they can be forged, etc. you'll also pay others to process this for you
>>107224672Actually, a working digital ID system would be inherently antisemitic.Jews don't exactly thrive in a safe environment. They feed on chaos and psychosis.Which is exactly why they are aggressively pushing that parody of an authentication sytem in Europe. They don't want it to work. Ever.
>>107246378All Jews are mentally ill pedophiles, facts.
>>107246323Ever heard of VPN-as-a-proxy? IPs don't mean shit.
>>107246398just place every known VPN to the ban list too.
>>107246424okay then they just use a VPS or the billions of insecure proxy servers to spam. you can't ban certain IP address ranges without fucking everyone else over, wdyd?
>>107246471>wdydI enact digital IDs.
>>107246471Counter hack them and bust their networks.
>>107246485This, and they'll eventually be biometrically linked.
>>107246525You cannot use biometry over the internet.There's no point in accepting a biometric element if the device making the measurement cannot be trusted.How are you supposed to prevent a pirate from emulating a fingerprint reader and using stolen fingerprint data?
>>107246575>There's no point in accepting a biometric element if the device making the measurement cannot be trusted.tptb don't care about this
>>107246575Straight out of the cyberpunk timeline debate huh? How can you trust some nefarious gangbanger just won't chop up their victim, steal their finger and eyeball through gouging that shit up and preserving them for easy security access.
>>107246589stop noticing, goy
>>107246599There's less overt way to do it. But yes. It's the concern.Body parts don't have a cryptoperiod. And they cannot be renewed.When a login/password couple gets leaked, it became worthless.If your fingerprints, retina imprint, or whatever gets leaked, they become worthless too. (for any authentication-over-the-internet scenario)You can change your password. You cannot change your eyeballs or fingers.Biometry is only good for local application.
>>107224685>supporters of this ideaLike who? Governments? The companies that will get the contract to develop and maintain these systems? I have not met one person who was a "supporter" of digital ID, people are either against it or they don't give a shit. This isn't something anyone gets hyped about
>>107246589>be rich fuck>touch one (1!) railway in a public space>your banks accounts gets emptiedThey care.
>>107246702The WEF speaks, EU heads speak, Bill Gates speaks and all governments and media follow the orders as if it's the Autarch's Divine Decree. Think Tanks publish papers that are absorbed as policies all over the world. No one was hyped for Covid and yet it happened, Event 201 happened, SPARS2028 Paper happened, Great Reset Book by Schwab happened, the Lockstep Whitepaper written by a Rockefeller NGO happened, all as manuals for these FUCKING ROBOTS. They are no more than LITERAL SLAVES.
>>107246782What a warm smile. I trust you.
>>107246295They won't have a digital ID and China, Russia, Israel can fake digital IDs from stolen ones from the UK.This entire digital ID thing is a retarded idea and just makes YOU less secure.
Whenever I see this 'why is Digital ID bad' thing all I see is a shopping list. Politicians don't see ANY of these things as bad. Neither do normal people. They'll look at this list go, WOW this is great let's get digital ID ASAP, and before you know it, you got what you feared.
>>107246589It fails non-repudiation requirements of any authentication token. Anything remotely authenticated cannot use it. What they can do instead is basically implant a little yubi-key into you that can be replaced if it gets compromised.
>>107245856If you need a digital ID to take a shit, then the government is the one who is the sole authority on your shit-taking abilities. Same with buying, same with owning, same with walking down the street. Everything stops being a right and starts being a permission which can be revoked at any time. Don't believe me? Try using the internet in the UK right now, even from a library computer. Something that is required in order to even get a job at Mcdonalds.
>>107246846*can't be replaced.They're not going to foot the bill to give you surgery if (when) these devices get compromised. All biometric data of all sorts needs to be fought because you can't change your DNA or your fingerprints or a little chip they want to put in your dick when it all goes to shit and Google has their 3rd data breach this year. (They're up to 2 this year alone btw, and one of them compromised every Digital ID in the UK)
>>107246829>Politicians don't see ANY of these things as bad. Neither do normal people.Even the dumbest normalfag can see the data breaches on the news https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366622533/Government-faces-claims-of-serious-cyber-security-and-data-protection-problems-in-One-Login-digital-ID and say "Wow that fucking sucks". Politicians see this and only care about how it affects their reputation. None of them give a shit about you and they know it. They know their systems are horribly hodge-podged together using the lowest bidder and will eventually get all of their citizens dick pics and bank accounts leaked. They don't give a shit. As long as its not their reputations ruined, they'll gladly hand it all to China themselves.
I've also not seen a real argument against just implementing all of these anti-features just on our current identity systems. What if you needed a driver's license to get online at the ISP level, and they, using your credentials, tag every packet coming out of your line with your identifier uuid, or pubkey. Just slap it on as an IP header as it comes out. (or something similar). >>107246895Yeah they won't pay for implants but what if you could just re-gen the key? Biometric data should be fought purely on security ground. Non repudiated auth credentials is a terrible idea. Because it's not actually your DNA, or your fingerprint, or whatever that is the token of authentication, it's a hash or other token generated from it. This is essentially a symmetric key, which cannot be used over untrusted channels.
>>107246933https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-digital-id-scheme-to-be-rolled-out-across-ukI honestly wish we lived in your fantasy world where politicians weren't pushing for digital ID.
>>107246956I just told you they don't give a shit. The UK Had multiple data breaches AFTER they started pushing for it. https://www.upguard.com/blog/biggest-data-breaches-ukLiterally a data breach a week since the introduction of the OSA. Again, Politicians see this and only care about how it affects their reputation. None of them give a shit about you and they know it. They know their systems are horribly hodge-podged together using the lowest bidder and will eventually get all of their citizens dick pics and bank accounts leaked.
>>107246813>They won't have a digital IDCool, I can drop their connection attempt from the get-go then>China, Russia, Israel can fake digital IDs from stolen ones from the UK.No. You can't.When we talk about digital ID, we don't talk about the stupid experiment that take place in the UK right now.The politician that pushed that crap are totally clueless. A shitty scan of a random piece of cardboard holds no value.We knew it before they even tried it. It was Dead on ArrivalThe only scheme that work are the good ol' digital certificates, held on a separate medium (usually a smartcard like the one on SIM and/or credit cards), and protected by a secret element (usually a PIN).Just don't reproduce the error they made with credit cards : authoritative serial numbers printed directly on the card were a mistake.
>>107247020The link doesn't actually show any 2025 data breaches. It's just been updated. Also the only 'UK' breach there was the NHS. What you would want to look for is home office breaches, since that's where a digital ID breach would come from. What the breach does and how it works depends entirely on the implementation. When someone tells these politicans that google has a zero-trust digital ID platform basically ready to roll out, they're going to jump on it.
>>107246937>Yeah they won't pay for implants but what if you could just re-gen the key? Re-genning the key doesn't work if the hardware itself is compromised, just in the last 15 years alone, we've mad multiple CVEs on the implementation of these algortihms themselves in some of the most scrutinized code ever produced. The most popular one is only 10 years old.https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-the-nsa-may-have-put-a-backdoor-in-rsas-cryptography-a-technical-primer/10 years is not a lot of time. Most of these chips will have to have a life of 30 or 40 years. Nobody is going to accept a 10 year lifespan for biometric data if/when data breaches and logic errors call for their replacement.> This is essentially a symmetric key, which cannot be used over untrusted channels.Think the government gives a shit? Here in the states, you're required to give your SSN for a number of services when it was never supposed to be an identifying number in the first place because it never changes. This is just going to be another version of that.
>>107246120Elaborate. An additional central point failure is still a no-go.
>>107247088>Think the government gives a shit?Well the good news is if they DO use one of these stupidly flawed systems, none of the digital ID worse outcomes can actually happen because the system is so unrobust and full of holes it can't be relied on, and someone will order 1000 pizzas in joe biden's name and it'll be authed with his biometry as if someone cared.
>>107247088This.That's why armies still relies on pre-shared keys to bootstrap their VPNs infrastructure.(and it's a hell to maintain, btw. Far out of the reach of your average company, even.)
>>107247062>What the breach does and how it works depends entirely on the implementationNone of these companies are licensed or properly vetted for their implementation. They are lowest-bidder implementations with zero oversight, and Parliament have said as much before.https://www.uktech.news/news/government-and-policy/tech-secretary-deeply-concerned-over-ofcoms-osa-implementation-20251112two years ago Ofcom had literally all of its data compromised because one of its secretaries clicked on the equivalent of a nigerian prince scam email. https://www.verdict.co.uk/ofcom-data-compromised-in-mass-cyber-attack/ The OSA and the digital ID are not popular pieces of legislation because anybody and everybody can see that it's being handled by clowns.
>>107247115It's already happened >>107247178Again they don't give a shit. The same exactly organization that leaked the personal and cryptographic information of every one of their VOLUNTARY digital ID VOLUNTEERS are now pushing for the same system they fucked up to be forced on everybody. It'll end the same way. Because they don't give a shit. Starmer already outside said he would arrest anyone who criticizes it.
>>107247178>protect users from antisemitism....Child safety?I like how once they have the law they completely ignore the wrapping paper they pushed it in with. It's for child safety! Also you're not allowed to view antisemetic material.
>>107247466>...Child safety?silly anon, they don't mean the children of goyim
>>107246829Not single normal person I know agrees with digital ID. Not a single one. Not even boomers who have no fucking clue think you should be identifiable on the internet with great concerns about stolen identities.
>>107224470Thanks, but I'm still using deepseek.
>>107246295>your domain has been revoked for referring to third worlders as "thirdies" in a post on 4chan.org.
>>107227155>We wont be ableYes we are able. Man, that cream pie should have been a brick or something instead.
>>107227213Thats the point, anon.... He's an eugenicist. He could have been the guy that the outage that day.
>>107225925>t. moshe mossad
Is Techno-Feudalism good for you?https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1763477563038468.mp4
>>107248650I'm part of the 14%. How fucked am I?
>>107248650What thread is this in on /wsg/?
>>107249174Same as anyone not in the Bilderberg group meetings.
>>107249232Shiiiiiiiet...
>>107247033>real digital ID has never been tried before!!shalom retard
>>107249196>>>/wsg/6014197
>>107249380That's disappointing. You got sauce instead?
>>107224440The governments advocating for this are on the verge of collapse. Once that happens their rulebooks won't even be useful as toilet paper. Good or bad, that's just how it's going to be.
>>107249633https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AWjoxZngxU99% sure it's this
You don't get it, we NEED digital ID to control the illegal immigrants we let into the country on purpose
>>107249780This is what the UK government says for real. You are thinking your comment is funny and ironic, but the UK government literally says this.
>>107249806I know. I think the UK government is just being strangely honest about it is all. For more competent politicians, the entire 'fill country with replacement third world workers' strategy has been the mainstay of GDP growth for the past 40 years to cope with the dropping birth rates (the reason they are dropping is out of scope of this post). Now that we are swarmed with culturally-different individuals, we are now being sold police state powers to control the very immigrants that we didn't want in the first place, and of course, the powers are mostly used against opponents of importing more third worlders. What a coincidence.
>>107246813I am already faking mine. This anon really thinks that I am going to play by the rules when I have tea app leaked IDs of 1000000 5/10 women.
Also it will be funny when in the future everyone is leaking and faking IDs and you will get a visit on your door for a based post you did not make, like the post, would even like to make it, but sadly not only did you not make it, but you take the blame for it.A day will come when the police come to ask you about the 6 000 000 "I hate jeet and Jews" posts you allegedly made, but you did not for real.
>>107247090app A asks you to authenticate with the source of truth, you do, and get issued a token to use with app Asame happens with app Bthe tokens are different, the scope information to the apps doesn't contain any identifiable persistent info that would allow anyone collate the two
>>107246876Government can already outlaw all of these retard. Digital ID is not needed for it. You are just coming up with random shit completely unrelated to digital id.I don't give a fuck about UK
>>107224723China has a considerably smaller carbon footprint per capita than the US. And they're by far the biggest builder of renewables and nuclear on the planet. Their carbon emissions have peaked while their energy consumption keeps going up. Something which no other nation has succeeded in. So you really can't blame China. Especially when the entire western world has outsourced their manufacturing emissions into China.
>>107245886learn to read
>>107250031china emits more carbon than the US and renewables are fake and gay and don't work. global warming isn't real. it's a chinese scam to destroy America.
>>107250056>this thing I want costs more retard conspiratard points than I have so I can't buy it>this thing I want costs more dollars than I have so I can't buy it
>>107250064Yeah because they have 4 times the population retard. That's why you compare per capita. Solar is the cheapest energy source per watt in the world right now and you don't have to rely on the oil jew with renewables and nuclear. And while global warming is mostly a scare tactic for controlling people oil and coal fuck up local air quality in cities. Local air quality alone is worth it to get rid of coal and oil. You wouldn't burn shit in your fireplace without a chimney. Well it turns out even a tall chimney isn't enough to funnel the shit burning coal and oil produces away from cities.
>>107250210like 70% of china's energy is from coal. solar isn't cheap, it's heavily subsidized by china. solar and wind literally don't work. they're chinese scamsnone of those carbon plans ever cap emissions for china or india. the whole thing is a scam designed to fuck over white people. you gay retard
Digital ID is a good thing unironically because it will prevent scammers and illegals from getting pension and healthcare
>>107250306When people are signing up for a digital ID, how will it check if you're illegal or not?
>>107250244Solar and wind literally work and are the two cheapest energy sources. They don't work as the sole source of energy in most of the world but nothing does. What does it matter if China is subsidizing solar if you can buy cheap panels yourself to not rely on the oil and coal jews while getting better air quality? China has also reached their peak emissions, sure most of their energy still comes from non renewables because that's what they had. But they're building nuclear and renewables out the ass, both to improve air quality in their cities and to not have to rely on the oil and coal jews for energy as they have to import both.
>>107249769Thanks
>>107250337>Solar and wind literally work and are the two cheapest energy sources.false. 70% of chinese energy is coal. if solar and wind were anything other than chinese scams then china would be using them. they aren't, they're burning coal because solar and wind are chinese scams only gay retards think work. >What does it matter if China is subsidizing solar because they're trying to destroy domestic industries by dumping solar panels. that's why no other country has a domestic solar industry and anytime a government spends on solar that money goes to china as part of a scam.>China has also reached their peak emissionsso why don't treaties like the paris emissions thing apply to china or india? global warming is a scam to reduce living conditions for white people
>>107250322for digital id a digital biometric infrastructure is build.
>>107250457>broken English>shilling digital id
>>107250433It's around 60% of Chinese energy that is coal because that's all they could build when they were still a third world shithole and coal was a lot cheaper. And that number is going down every single year. Your numbers are a couple years old and that alone makes a massive difference. They have more renewable production than all but 7 countries, 6 if you don't include China, have total production. They have more wind and solar than all but 13 countries have total production. And are building solar and wind to the tune of hundrends of GW every single year. 376 GW of wind and 426 GW of solar capacity in 2023 alone. That's not to mention the +20 nuclear plants under construction and the +70 that are planned. What industries are effected by China "dumping" solar panels? Oil and coal, both shit industries that shit up your local air quality. Good fucking riddance. Also how are your living condition worsened by improving the air quality where you live? Lowering cancer rates by removing coal plants is not making your quality of life worse. If you want to complain about someone shitting up the planet then blame India. They don't give a shit about emissions and are bragging how they're increasing their coal consumption every single year.
>>107250612>It's around 60% of Chinese energy that is coalbecause coal works and solar and wind don't work, will never work and are scams>What industries are effected by China "dumping" solar panels?domestic solar industries>Also how are your living condition worsened by improving the air quality where you live?solar and wind don't generate energy. they're scams. they just increase energy costs>If you want to complain about someone shitting up the planet then blame India.I agree. we need to ban the global south from having electricity
>>107250714>solar and wind don't workThen how is it my electricity bills are negative during the summer months?
>>107249915>source of truth.So absolutely meaningless. Got it.Central point of failure. Device is detectable to source of truth. Token is reversible through fingerprinting a device.
>>107250784because you're lying. my electricity bill is higher during the summer due to the AC
