>8GB of VRAM is enough, actuallyWhat changed?
Price
>>107226441Your secondary or tertiary gaming pc doesn't need to be as powerful as the main
>>1072264418gb vram already plays every game worth playing you don't need more.
Sometimes I forget the sweet hell I escaped, when I installed the extension to remove YouTube thumbnails. Whoever built it, you have earned your place in heaven.
>>107226441Nothing.It's enough for the masses, that's it
>>107226441linus was not very impressed by the steam machine specs in the wan show. does he shill them in the main channel video? I never watch those because they are too fake.
>>107226441more vram is for ai shenanigans honestly
The ones on the left are reviews. The ones on the right are previews.The P is important, though I understand that you wish that weren't true.
>>107226464Your primary PC is your gaming PC. No one has a "secondary gaming PC".
>>107226647I do.
my 3060 laptop has 6GB vram and it plays everything I want>>107226647I have two gaming laptops and a gaming desktop, a mini pc, a mac studio, and I will probably get the steam cube. Nerds have multiple computers get over. it
>>107226863that's not being a nerd, that's just consumerism
>>107226441The steam machine is an APU with 8GB of VRAM and 16 GB of system RAM. The GPU can borrow RAM from the system RAM if the VRAM is full. And the RAM is also upgradeable.
>>107226985the GPU and CPU are separateIt's not an SoC
>>107226441If pc gaming godking gabe says 8GB is enough then it is.
>>107226647I do. My main PC which I also do most of my gaming on is my Macbook Pro. I have a secondary desktop gaming PC for playing the handful of games that don't work with CrossOver or Parallels (eg Bloodthief, SupCom).
>>107226985>The steam machine is an APUno
>>107226441Not only that the gpu is RDNA 3 so it is using same obsolete FSR those same youtubers have been shitting on for a while now.Doesn't matter though because whatever words valve issues become the truth. 8GB vram is good now, FSR3 is good now.
They got paid to shill the new product
>>107226441>Millenials gargle gabens cum and tongue his assholeNot surprised. Valve can literally do no wrong in the mind of a gamer.
>>107226966>owning things is bad!I test my code on multiple machines, probably going to get rid of the old gaming laptop though.
>>107226441so you're saying they weren't paid to shill the old new product? that's the point of the screenshot the disingenuous little faggot started the thread with
>>107227257Whining about 8GB gpus has been the bread and butter of pc gaming youtubers for couple of years now.
>>1072264418GB has always been enough for gaming. More VRAM is for AI shit
>>107227238I just don't believe in having things that end up excessively redundantSteam cube would be just thatFelt alot better to give up/sell things that are otherwise superseded rather than keep them to literally do nothing
>>107226441it's approximately a 7600m where the performance is so bad that 8gb isn'ta big limiting factor you'll be turning down settings to get even 60fps
>>107226441Unless you're some weird autistic faggot that gets hard by watching high numbers on manghud or fraps, then its okay.
why does this shit get shilled literally all the time everywhere? it is absolute trash, dell tier oem and niggers are like i am TOTALLY BUYING it , as a SECONDARY wink wink, PC LOL
>>107226441Why are gamers so obsessed over VRAM?
>>107226647Nobody uses their living room PC as their "primary PC". You clearly don't have a PC and are buying one for the first time if that's the case which is precisely the sort of people this is aimed at.
>>107227608Ai slop generation works best with more VRAM and now that Ai is pushed everywhere (but not local AI, that's very bad, you should give Sam Altman lots of money for ChatGPT Pro instead) this is an important metric to some people.
>>107226441I hate these guys like you wouldn't believe
>>107226441I think the contentious issue surrounding 8GBs VRAM is the marketing and price, especially in Nvidia's case. If they were to market and price them in a realistic sense as budget friendslop GPUs and prioritize selling them to thirdies I would see no issue. While I think 10GBs and FSR4 would have been a way better sell, all of Valve's marketing so far is advertising this thing as a Balatro & friendslop-machine, it's not meant to supplant actual gaming PCs or appeal to enthusiasts, more like they're targeting those that make intended use of Steam Family Sharing and such. I also think there's a bit of a long-play here by Valve since they'll likely have a "Works great on Steam Machine!" sticker for store-pages, if they can convince developers and publishers that they might be missing a large userbase for both Deck and Steam Machine users if they don't have that sticker, then there'll hopefully be more effort put into optimizing games again. Either way, according to MLID, this isn't something Valve commissioned AMD to make for them, AMD was apparently sitting on these things and couldn't get rid of them when Valve approached them and they ended up cutting a deal together.
>8gb 1080p>16gb 4kchoose one
>>107227845>all of Valve's marketing so far is advertising this thing as a Balatro & friendslop-machineI also like Valve the most out of all the big players in the video game industry, but it's comical the degree to which people are running cover for them. It is being marketed as a "powerful gaming PC" capable of 4k60 gaming(I know they mention FSR, but it's not hitting that either for most big games from the last 4 years)The same excuse is used for the Steam Deck, "it's not marketed as a powerful device", when if you go to the store page right now it's described as being able to play all your new AAA games
>>107228040>I know they mention FSR, but it's not hitting that either for most big games from the last 4 yearsThey literally show it hitting 4K/60*(with FSR) in Cyberpunk 2077 one of the biggest and most demanding games of late. Obviously, there's been more unoptimised slop since then but the capability is at least there in some capacity.
>>107227793>>107227608>those grapes look terrible!
>>107226547yes
>>107226441dw they'll make another video soon with the most doomery thumbnail implying its complete liquid turd, that's how youtube works
>>107226441>Njewdia should be allowed to sell 8GB GPUs for the same price that you can get the whole Gabecube with graphics>this is NOT fair you guys! you said they needed to give more! why doesn't Valve have to??Any more hand rubbing and you're gonna start a fire.
>>107228213>Cyberpunk 2077came out 5 years ago, wdym
>>107228378the autistic screeching when this thing drops at $1200 is going to be hilarious
>>107228391Phantom Liberty only came out two years ago, but yes, if you're being pedantic and only count the base game you're right.
>>107227118>Not only that the gpu is RDNA 3 so it is using same obsolete FSR those same youtubers have been shitting on for a while now.DESU, it's a real pain in the ass to make RDNA 4 work on Linux, let alone FSR 4 in any version.I guess Valve is merely playing it safe by using hardware that's guaranteed to work with SteamOS.
>>107228424FSR4 works on Linux even under unsupported hardware because it can emulate the unsupported instructions in software (this is slow mind you).
>>107226441I just want to see the linux fag tips x linux god torvalds video already...
>>107228403If you wouldn't have been born yesterday you would be able to remember the peak pricing that Nvidia has had in the past few years. $1200 gets you like halfway there. They milked as much as they could while giving as little as possible. If your old GPU happened to break down you better had a second mortgage readily available.
>>107228213>>107228410>Cyberpunk 2077 one of the biggest and most demanding games of lateWhat? CP2077 is a game that handhelds can handle comfortably at this point. The fucking Switch 2 has a 4k 40fps mode. It's also one of the games you can emulate on your Android phone with a stable 60fps.
>>107227772I don't own a tv nor want one.My living room just has a sofa, plants and a library, it doesn't need any tech.
>>107228514>If you wouldn't have been born yesterday
>>107228874Then why are you on /g/? Shouldn't you be on /hist/ discussing the armish or something?
>>107228849>The fucking Switch 2 has a 4k 40fps mode.You're kind of proving my point here. 4k@40Hz is not 4K@60Hz.
>>107228906>You're kind of proving my point hereI'm really not. The Switch 2 has a stripped down laptop 2050. 30% more performance on top of that isn't high end. My laptop can easily hit 4k 120fps on Cyberpunk with ray tracing, which was disabled when Valve demo'd the game on their event. Cyberpunk is a PS4 game, and(at this point) a well optimized one at that. Now, it does scale tremendously with high end hardware, but that doesn't mean it has a high floor
>>107228946I don't think you've tried playing Cyberpunk on an actual low-end system. Hint: It won't end well.
>>107228961I did try it out on the Switch 2, it ran at 4k40. It also runs well on the Series S and the Steam Machine which has a laptop 7600, so that's at least three counterfactuals to your claim
>>107226441>Steam MachineWhat's the fucking point? Just build your own PC.
>>107229019The small form factor is the point. You can build your own SFF PC and it is fun to do so but that's not really point of the Steam Machine. It's for people that want to buy something pre-built.If you build your own you're unlikely to beat their manufacturing expertise and will end up building something big and bulky. You won't be able to fit a full slot GPU, etc, in the same size package as the Steam Machine.
>>107226441Consoles are expected to be low performance.
>>107228451I never said it doesn't work, just that it's a pain in the ass to set up.Besides, the proper FSR 4, the one used by 9000 series GPUs is full of proprietary bullshit, with those pre-trained models and such.
>>107226441I'm on 1GB of VRAM though.
>>107226441Paid shills. They don't even hide it and anyone with half a braincell could tell.Gamers Nexus is the worst of them.Linus doesn't hide it so you know what you're getting.All of the other wannabe reviewers can safely be ignored since almost all of them are taking paid promotions.
this thing is expected to upscale from 720p/1080p where that's not really relevantit's not powerful, according to a valve engineer the point of it is to make console refugees and people with older shit switch to something easy and reliablehttps://youtu.be/C9qJwy_wwK0 at 3:20
So far the lesson is 8gb VRAM bad for local AI generation.Its like the bare bones for generating pictures and you are filtered from GIFs and Videos.
>>107230205yeah but the steam machine is for people who want to play like cyberpunk and gta on their TV, not running gpt-oss-120b. Getting upset about this is like getting upset that your Nissan Leaf can't compete with F1 cars
>>107230234Forgive me I thought I had them dollarinnos but I got filtered by a RTX 5060 with 8Gb of VRAM. I can't do the big leagues local AI models.I should have had been brave enough to be homeless for 2 months an a half eating from the trashbags and sleepin rough and got a fancy 24GB model, and then come back gloriously to a shoebox sized apartment, I wasn't brave enough
>>107230283No one "needs" AI. I have a 128GB strix halo model and half the time the answers it gives me are wrong. Try qwen4b though. That will fit on your GPU and it's not completely useless.
>>107230291Okay I will but I got the conjecture the big booty models for your GPU might be able to do better tasks as indian tier vibe coding in your own machine.I guess the anxiety and uncertainty will always be there no matter what, If I had a massive GPU my greed would make wonder about even greater benchmarks, thanks this is touching grass and being happy what I've managed to get on my own stranger.
>>107226441Boy, you sure watch a lot of worthless garbage on youtube. And you're sharing this, why?
>>107226441They got a check from valve
>>107226441valve says its a semi-custom socs, so Until we know the exact architecture of the steam machine it 8gb of vram might be misleading, if the interconnect between the gpu and the cpu is fast (>64gb/s) then the impact of low vram decreases significantly. would perform more like a 10 or 12gb card.
>>107226441Still 8 GB higher than a PS5
>>107228889Because i do have a PC in my desk room.I don't see why i'd want some other pc in the living room.
>>107226441Make a similarly spec'd system, put Arch on it, and get to game devvin'. Only question native or Win32/Proton.
>>107226647Why are you even on /g/ if you don't own at least a double digit number of computers
>>107230672>Im not the target demographic and this product isn't for me>I don't want it therefore it's badThe world wonders
>caring about youtubers opinions
>>107226441It ain't. 8GB is current day 4 cores 4 thread or 4 cores 8 thread we had a decade ago with intel tick tock, so majority of people currently have 8GB card, and according to steam survey half of systems have 8GB or below. Valve is betting on them writing better software to make it more usable.But what's interesting is that recently MLD mentioned a leak or a rumour that 5xxx series cards from nvidia with 8GB of vram didn't sell well. 4xxx series sales rebounded few months after reviews came out and they thought this would happen again with 5xxx series but apparently it didn't. If that's true then we shouldn't see 6xxx card series with 8GB of vram at launch.
>>107232188>>Im not the target demographic and this product isn't for methis product has no target demo and consequently is for no one. just like the last steam machine.
>>107226441Nothing. 8GB for Desktop PC's blow ass and has been long-in-tooth for far too long.The Gabecube isn't a Desktop PC beyond being something you hook up like a Desktop PC. It's a "console" with PC elements. Most folks buying the Gabecube aren't going to be hardcore PC gaming enthusists.Why do you think Stardew Valley is huge on the Deck AND was advertised on the Gabecube trailers?Because it doesn't require a massive GPU like the 20/30/40/50XX RTX line.Can you run Cyberpunk on the 'Cube? Like the Deck: Yes with a preset config of settings that turns everything demanding way down. But will it run *WELL*? No. (Being fair, Cyberpunk was and still is unoptimized even on release 4 years ago)Now, sure, there are going to be retarded console gamers that buy it expecting it to run Baldur's Gate 3 on Ultra at 60FPS 4K and then slam into a brickwall of reality that "LMAO NO, we aren't going to do that on this hardware" but those folks are retarded (like they were with the Deck purchase) and eventually learn to temper expectations on the machine and play older stuff that DOES run well on 8GB (and there is plenty for it, even BG3 should run on the Cube better than the Deck, but that remains to be seen), or get a custom PC.>>107226647I literally have:-Desktop PC (main gaming PC)-Laptop (not a gaming PC but for office/IT work on the go and at home)-Deck (gaming portable)-Surface (retired and needs to be converted to a eReader primary case)I'll probably buy a cube when they go on sale for the novelty and being able to stream games to it from my Desktop PC, but I'm not getting it as a primary PC like a console gamer would and certainly not day one.
>>107228451He didn't say it doesn't work. Just that it's not supported well, which makes sense given that FSR4 is still "new"-ish and Linux takes times to properly get mature support.>>107228849>It's also one of the games you can emulate on your Android phone with a stable 60fps.Sure, if you watch it on Youtube.Game was (and still is) unoptimized as hell. With RTX, it's the new Crysis because of how much a mess the engine is.
>>107226449>Price/threadand the rest should off permanently.
>>107228946>Cyberpunk is a PS4 gameAnon... CDPR and Sony PULLED THAT VERSION. I don't think it's even available despite making a "PS4 Pro" version because that version is atrocious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5pHpQqhmR4There's even a reason CDPR threw their hands up and went "we need a solid state hard-drive in your machine" for the PC version after a minimum of a hard-drive (non-solid) during launch with Phantom Liberty's update. The game can't handle anything unless it's able to brute force the spaghetti code the REDEngine became.
Nothing changed, the shills right now just changed their tactics.
>tfw still on 4gb of vram
It does not make sense to pretend a pc is a console. The point of a pc is that it can play all pc games. Pc games all require different levels of hardware. You can't leverage that market with a single device. Either it's too low end and can't run anything, or it's too expensive and no one can afford it. They should create multiple tiers at different price points. Say $400/$700/$1200. That way the middle tier looks cheap compared to the high end, people with money to burn can give it to you, and you don't lock out the poorcels. Since they control steam they can pressure devs to optimize their games at all three tiers and ensure a large market of games on every model.
>>107232469They can't pressure anybody, developers and publishers can easily go to epic.
You aren't allowed to criticize Valve
>>107232478Soft pressure. "Do this and we'll bump up your ranking on steam". Specifically I'm thinking they would add "Steam Machine Poorcel Edition Certified" type labels on games that bothered being optimized enough. Maybe let people filter only those games. Maybe even filter by default on the corresponding machines.
>>107226647I was going to disagree but while I do have other computers none of them are for gaming.
>>1072264418GB is currently enough if you're only expecting to run games at modest settings.However, you probably only have 2-3 more years before it really starts to be a limiting factor in new games.
>>107226441always was windows cuck
>>107227772I do. What's wrong with that?
>>107226441>What changesrunning AI slop locally needs resourcesGame assets got more detailed = larger in size and those get stored where? in the video memory
>>107226441What changed? Nothing.>left is outrage click farmig aka money>right is cash in hand aka moneyThey're for profit entertainers and money is all they care about.>nvidia/intel bad brings more clicks and money?They do that. GN is probably the worst because he insists that he has any integrity and impartiality.at least LTT is being sincire about being a paid shill
>>107226441The industry got flooded with jeets who can't code for shit.
>>107226985That is not how it works.
>>107226441Nothing, your IQ is too low to understand nuance. The VRAM doesn't matter because you'll be bottlenecked by the other weak ass hardware first.>who is this for?A few people who want a secondary in the living room and are too poorfag to just build a second PC.If they sell more than 500k I'll be surprised, but I also don't think Valve cares if it's a mega hit or not.
>>107232326Im the target demographic, therefore you are incorrect xir.
>>107226441I need the extra for work and for other things than gaming, like tensor/cuda processing and 3d rendering. Hell, even the Android studio emulator stops functioning right if you don't have a lot of vram.
>>107226441It should be enough but game devs have been shit at optimization.
>>107233734>>107235106Are these ESLs or has reading comprehension in the english speaking world really gotten this bad?
>>107226647There are seriously people on /g/ who don't have an Office PC, Bedroom PC, and Gaming PC
>>107226441Nothing changed except for the expectation that lower expectations are okay, since everything sucks. >laughs in 1080TI.
>>107226647Good morning SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>107237379They're all the same device, it's called a phone
>>107226441Nah, I need a minimum of 12gb to run MSFS 24 smoothly.
>>1072264418GB of VRAM has always been enough for gaming, the only reason why I need more is for AI
>>107226441Not me, I still run a 2080
>>1072264418GB of VRAM would be enough for a gaming device if developers knew how to optimize their games. Unfortunately they don't, and I don't think the Steam Machine is going to get them back on track somehow
>>107237591one of the main copes devs use for not optimizing fpr pc is "b-but pc are all different it's impossible to optimize for a specific configuration like consoles!"the gabe cube makes that excuse moot (it will be essentially another console as far devs are concerned) plus like this guy said >>107227845they might want to bait devs into making "Works great on Steam Machine!" titles for marketing reasons
>>107226441you are comparing reviews of hardware intended to be used on pcs with reviews of a toy for normies8gb is shit for gaming pcs but it's ok for an unbranded xbox, any more questions?
>>107239069The xbox you are drawing a comparison to came out 5 years ago
>>107228213At all low settings with flat lighting, and upscaling from 720p, wow. amazing.
>>107227238>what is a docker container in 2025
It was confirmed gta 6 gonna run on gabecube at 4k 60, everything else is irrelevant.
>>107239942(X) Doubt
>>107226441Bias blindsight
>>107226647>No one has a "secondary gaming PC".Anon, I....
Literally just make a game specific setting that aggressively trims the vram and cuts down on most unnoticeable and vram bloating flutterBam, you have your steam machine optimized badge
why do they do it?
>>107226441idk but i'm proud that i bought the 8gb pulse version. none of the games I play require more than 6gb of vram. the 16gb version has worse thermals as it only provides heat pads on one side.8gb+ is for AAA slop games that rely on the consumer to buy the latest, most riced out PC to play their games. also my monitor (vg248qe) is 1080p, and things still look good as long as the frame rate is high.
>>107226441Necessity and restrictions and boundaries lead to creativity.
>>107241922I want to play Cities Skylines 2, but it's trash because the developers are women and Fins. Meanwhile there is a version of Cities Skylines 1 that runs pretty well on a fucking Nintendo Switch. A game like that should be able to run perfectly well on the Steam Machine. If it can't, it's because whomever is making the game is not qualified for the job. That will open up space for someone who IS capable to find a market.
>Spend $500 on a single GPUvs>Spend $500-800 on an entire PC
>>107226441>VRAMare you an idiot?it has 16GB of vram, 8GB of SYSTEM ram.
>>107242132retard
>>107242132No it has 16 gb system ram and 8 gb vram
This thing was designed by an amature. 4k 240hz video output ports with only 8gb vram which is only enough for 1080p. Kek! Hard pass on this one gamers.
>>107226449fpbp
ITT: People doing completely retarded speculation about PC gaming hardware from a company that has, quite literally, the best data and understanding of PC gaming hardware ever.What do you think Averi?
>>107226647My primary PC can game but not as well as my primary gaming PC
>>107226647Uhhhh, yes, we do. You must be a poor American third worlder or something. Kek.
>>107226441>>107241855Gaymers are NPC goy cattle who worship Valve. They will bend backwards to justify whatever BS Valve is doing (CS gambling, introducing lootboxes to gaming, overpriced shit card game, unfun shooter with DEI designs, etc. the list goes on) and any attempt to offer a sane criticism will be met with an army of onions rage.Knowing these goytube slop channel just throw all reason out and mindlessly dickride Gaben's newest shitbox, getting their precious clicks and avoiding pointless drama with amalek drones who can't be reasoned with anyway.
>>107226441valve marketing dollars hit different.
>>107226647Imagine being so poor that you don't have at least 5 gaming PCs.
168gb HBM on my GPU or don't even bother
With 168GB of HBM, you could create and render extremely complex, high-fidelity scenes that are typically only handled by professional workstations or render farms. Cinematic-Quality Assets: You could load massive, high-resolution texture maps (e.g., 16K or 32K textures) for all objects, along with extremely dense polygon counts, without needing to downsample or stream assets. Vast Open-World Environments: Complex virtual production or simulation environments with enormous amounts of detailed geometry, real-time lighting (like Ray Tracing or Path Tracing), and vast distance view frustums could be fully loaded into VRAM. Gigantic Volumetric Data: Render massive volumes of smoke, fire, or fluid simulations (like OpenVDB files) that take up tens or even hundreds of gigabytes of memory. Extremely High-Resolution Outputs: Render final images at incredibly high resolutions (e.g., 8K, 16K, or even higher tiled renders) with high-bit-depth color and multiple heavy render passes (e.g., depth, normal, motion vectors) all kept in VRAM.
>>107236795The deck flopped as every other piece of hardware released by valve.They are good at running steam but nothing more.
>>107242565>are you working for valve? no? THEN SHUT UPdumb furry
