If this is true that means 70% of PC rigs are poorfag shit. Not even poorfag, literally destitute.The steam box is like $500 Max cost
>>107235888wish they'd stop hiding the price on all this stuff
>>>/v/
>>107235888There are a bunch of people out there that play on laptops with shitty igpu and don't know any better.
It's not like they make their data a secrethttps://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/
>>107235888I guess they got those numbers from the Valve survey but some russians and...fucking peruvians don't have good pcs
>>107235888Most people spends thousands on laptops or in the case of gamers are literally destitutes, zoomers either in education or NEETs with 10 year old PCs their parents bought them for 1000.
>>107235888So you admit it's made for turdworlders in south america then?
>>107235888>The steam box is like $500 Max costlolhttps://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/
>>107235888post your specs big guy
>>107236020More like slavs
>>107235888>The steam box is like $500 Max costpc parts for consumers are also incredibly overpricedmaybe valve got a discount of bulk order advantage or something
>>107235905The price of ram jumped 200% in a week or two, they couldn't tell you the price because it changes so rapidly
>>107235888best part about this shit is finally some hw spec will be normalized (bit sub ps5) for pc games, as most devs are already aiming at max ps5 specs this gives a huge incentive to have steammachine level of specs at an acceptable lvl, ppl complain about shit performance on that, a ton of possible sales lost, ppl cheer the performance ez few hundred k sales extra, no more chasing 5090s, fuck that shit, look how switch made it and suddenly most games 'can' work on such shit hw
>>107236136>sub ps5It's twice as fast.
>>107235888>The steam box is like $500 Max cost900
>>107236093They should have announced the price and took the hit on RAM. What is this shit? They make their money back on game sales.
>>107236183They dont expect to sell much of these so why take a hit on the memory.
for this to have even the slightest chance of bringing in console users it needs to be sold outside of steam too, i can't see it happening
>>107235888Okay, but that 30% are the people who actually fucking spend money. Valve should have targeted enthusiasts whose gaming PCs are starting to show their age. Instead, the Machine is actually a DOWNGRADE from your 2020 rig.
I just don't see how a 30 watt cpu and 110 watt gpu can deliver anything lower mid tier performance. Theoretically these aren't that bad but modern games are unoptimized slop that need at least 300 watt house fires to run at acceptable framerates.
>>107236238>They dont expect to sell much of theseOkay, then why not make it a real gaming PC? Why make it an underpowered, overpriced shitbox?
>>107236275Valve seems to think that game devs will change for them, but they NEVER, EVER do.
>>107236277to make it small.
>>107236165nah, the gpu has like 75% of cu's but in the general vicinity, with all UE slop devs should really start thinking if they can bruteforce lighting like indiana jones/star wars recent flops, or should accomodate decent hw as baseline
>>107236286Literally no one asked for that.>wow i really want a PC but they're all too bigI have a full-size PC in my living room because horizontal cases exist. They fit fine in all media furniture ever.
>>107236302https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/15019343?baseline=15039081>The 4700S Desktop Kit is unique because it uses GDDR6 for main memory, just like consoles, but it doesn't have to share the memory throughput with a greedy graphics engine. The general idea with graphics memory (GDDR) is to gain higher bandwidth and lower power by sacrificing latency, and our test results indicate that holds true for the 4700S CPU.>Latency measurements vary based upon the type of access pattern and test depth used, and here we can see that AIDA, which measures to a 64MB depth, measures GDDR6 latency at 145nshttps://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-4700s-desktop-kit-review-ps5-cpu/4tldr you're stupid
The Steam Machine bizarrely attempts to compete with the Mac mini, Apple's least popular Mac by a LARGE margin.
>>107236277it's not underpowered, it's on lvl of current consoles and what happens when you shit bed with pc optimizations just look at mh wilds, records for first day/week sales, concurrent users, then oopsie all steam reviews complain about performance they had to change they sloppa release schedule as sales dropped below MHW/rise and they almost killed the franchise
>>107236357>it's not underpowered>it's on lvl of current consolesThat is underpowered!
>>107236347cpu is great, their gpu is mid tier and slower on paper than ps5, just watch the df videos covering it
>>107236371The console cpu just sucks. It does not matter what gpu you put in it you will always get 23.976 fps with dips to single digits.
>>107236371but this is what devs optimize for and they managed to make mhwilds work acceptably on ps5 vs on paper better gpu like 5060 on pc, having a baseline (linux on top) for pc hw should make it easy for all devs to do same optimizatiom run for pc gamers or risk a ton of sales
>>107236426meant for>>107236393
>>107236355Perhaps "compete with," isn't the right phrase, but Valve saw the Mac mini and said "Yeah, that."
>>107236426Yes it's a tragedy. This is why games suck now.
>>107236447
The Steam Deck, as a form factor, was thoroughly proven to be popular by the Nintendo Switch. If Valve wanted to make a console, they should have chased the PS5 Digital Edition with an included controller and enthusiast-level power.
>>107235928>that play on laptops with shitty igpu and don't need anything betterftfy
im fine with them making an acceptable for todays games computer console clone, its better than the steamdeck and the deck runs a lot, but muh fps/framerate its not meant for you its meant for trannies to play cuphead and uma horse racing
>>107235928it can do 60 fps in native resolution
>>107236256>but that 30% are the people who actually fucking spend moneysource?
>>107235888it doesn't matter if it's better than 70% of existing hardware it needs to be priced competitively with hardware on sale todaywhich it may be, who knows. they won't say the price which suggests no
>>107236610SOVL
>>107236614Source: good hardware costs more money?
>>107236673there are plenty of games that don't need "good" hardware
Machine is going to get flayed. It meets no one's needs because Valve isn't willing to sell at a loss.
>>107235888>Says Valvethat's adorable, let's see what people who are not Valve say
>>107236690even new games don't need good hardware, Daniel Owen tests every new game on Ryzen 5600X that's equal to steam cube
>>107236183>They make their money back on game sales.If that were a viable strategy any more Microsoft and Sony would be in the black.
>>107236690Let me simplify for you. People who buy shitty hardware don't like spending money. They're going to sit on their shit and not shell out for a Steam Machine.
>>107236719>people who don't overspend don't spend money AT ALLgonna triple down?
>>107236698A business not willing to sell at a loss?Good heavens, what could be wrong with these people?
>>107235888Another doa Valveslop
>>107236081>maybe valve got a discount of bulk order advantage or somethingThe way the airline industry in the US works is airlines lock in an annual fuel price when they reup so if the price goes down they're screwed but if the price goes up they're on easy street. I could easily see Gaben negotiate the same with chipmakers.
>>107236715PlayStation is profitable though
>>107236733They don't have the money faggot
>>107236734>what is attach rate
>>107236761source?
>>107236745easy to make profit from people who don't know what they are buying
>>107236253>for X to succeed it MUST do [thing contrary to its business interests]People have been saying that about Apple for 40 years, Apple has ignored them and while you're crowing about market share they have more cash than the United States Treasury.Cure yourself of this type of retard contrarianism or be considered an idiot, your choice.
>>107236766Yeah everyone with a shitty PC is just /really thrifty/Fuck off retard
>>107236281>Valve seems to think that game devs will change for themThe same Valve that encouraged MacOS game devs to stay on 32 bit when Apple loudly announced it wouldn't be supported past a certain OS version then the games stopped workingThey have no dev relations to speak of and got laughed out of a linux kernel patch that would have broken security just to keep WINE running fast.
>>107236782apple do not sell their devices exclusively on their store
>>107236794so you're making things up, is what I'm understanding?
>>107236848You seem to lack common sense.
>>107236840Their phones? Sure. Their computers? Best Buy and that's about it.
>>107236770I don't get your point, you don't expect to to actually give good hardware for the price?
>>107236872there's a little website that no one uses called amazon too
>>107236320Every Xbox user asked for that because there is no Xbox. Every consolebabby asked for that because a console that wont need a subscription is very appealing right now and a proper gaymin PC with a 5080 wont fit where a PS5 would.
>>107236277They are making it for steam deck users who have it docked. This is just to give them better performance than the steam deck.
>>107236698>because Valve isn't willing to sell at a lossSony, Nintendo and Microsoft could sell consoles as loss leaders when the software literally cannot run without something like InterLok only available from the console vendor but even today that's no longer economically viable unless you're Nintendo who *invented* that.
>>107236868weird thing to say when you can't think rationally about what I'm asking you.
>>107236698typed by jewish claws
>>107236902Yeah I suck dick for deleting "brick and mortar" while editing my post but you'll notice resellers have controls on discounts much the same way Nintendo controls discounts on most retailers online/b&m.
>>107236526No PC enthusiast would ever buy a pre-built, it's no use targeting that end of the market. Assuming they don't fuck up the price, the Steam Machine can work as either an affordable entry-level device or modest upgrade for existing users who are playing PC games on their mom's laptops.
>>107236907>a proper gaymin PC with a 5080strawman faggotThe Steam Machine GPU is comparable to an old-gen laptop chip.
>>107236955You just really don't know how shit works. Enthusiasts spend all the money in gaming.
>>107235888>The steam box is like $500 Max costSource?
>>107237027>buy latest njewdia card, >house burns down
>>107237023it's comparable to desktop 4060, laptops with 4060 will be able to run games comfortably for a couple years, with incentive for devs to actually get steam machine certification for a ton more sales expect it to become the total minimum game runs on after steam deck which already started the trend
>>107237027source?
>>107237023literally a decade before 5080 becomes the min req, we're still on ps5 dude
>>107236911I am a Steam Deck user who keeps it docked. It's my only gaming PC.The Steam Machine isn't powerful enough to entice me.
>>107237019>No PC enthusiast would ever buy a pre-builtThe Deck would like a word.
>>107237093Modern day /g/ doesn't understand not buying shit you don't need.
>>107235888>The steam box is like $500 Max costThey cant sell it for that price because corpo fucks will buy them all up use them for as cheap but powerfull windows pc's at companies, and valve will have no sales on these steam machines.
>>107237067>incentive for devs to actually get steam machine certificationahahahahahahahahahahahahahahno
>>107237089Even PS is about to graduate from PS5.
>>107237102The Deck is a companion device, the cube is your main rig.
>>107237131There is nothing wrong with that, plenty of people would like to be in a Valve ecosystem. But the Machine is too fucking weak.
>>107237118>incentives to get your game running on switchhahahahahahhahait's already happening retard with devs actually optimizing for deck hw kek, good review with: works great on deck is easy +10% sales boost
>>107237113They really weren't happy with companies/military buying the steam deck when they made that comment.
Every single thread on this thing has been bringing out the most retarded takes on this site, holy shit.
>>107237124eventually, except we're in year X and still no games and visually that zombie game for ps4 looks pretty much the same as the ps5 version, meantime new gen games like mhwilds look like blurry shit
>>107237165I've seen someone ask if they can browse the web on it.
>>107237186no shit, switch only allows web apps like twitch and youtube even though it has browser, too ez to jailbreak with webshit
>>107237186kek
>>107237160The steamdeck being very popular in drone warfare must be a wierd thing to see for the engineers who made it as a toy.
>>107237186So, can it?
>>107237214yeah, it's a linux pc not a toy, you can even install windows on it
>>107237124>Even PS is about to graduate from PS5.Why would they? Xbox is beaten, they threw the towel in the ring. Nintendo is catering to a different kind of gamer then sony. And valve is not in competition with consoles, they are on a holy crusade against windows gaming. PS6 is still a few years away.
>>107237155I see nothing to substantiate this, as a Deck owner. GOTY is Exp33 and it runs like utter dogshit on Deck.
>>107237272>unreal engine 5There is your problem.
I play on my Huawei notebook and me good with it
>>107235888>1080p with fake frames
>>107235905one week there's tariffs the next there's not.
>>107237283Again, why advertise 4k60fps (with FSR5) when the current year of games all have crap optimization because of the big U(s)? Most of the steam survey would not be able to run Exp33 at 4k60fps.
>>107237371because no sane dev is gonna push lumen+ whatever UE5 magical tech that was suppoaed to save them dev time, lazy games/engines that bruteforce graphics and run like shit end up with shit salea, see dd2/mhwilds, the latter went from record sales, record concurrent steam players numbers to selling less than 10 year old mhworld and 5 yo rise, it was a flop because developer thought thwy will bruteforce it and kiked on developer time, mhw 10 year old title looks better than wilds, muh buy latest gpu goy stopped working and could kill a hit franchise if they can't fix that shit, the sales cratered after first month, with no ps6 on horizon who's gonna do that shit?
>>107236044>what is marketingSteam Machine is going to lock you into their ecosystem like Microsoft and Google tried doing with theirs.>You vil pay for subscribing to Steam!>You von't play the non-Steam affiliated games!Razor and blade model; or printer and ink.
>>107235953>there are more people who bought the 5060 8gb on steam than the 5060 16gbkek valve really does know their audience. of course the queers crying about the 8gb of vram are either tendies or genuinely retarded. most of valve's paying customers probably don't even have 6gb of vram in their "rigs". Sad!
>>107237502it'll probably boot to steam big picture by default, but lock? Running debian on my steam deck as can't be bothered with their locked immutable system bs
>>107235888>PC gaming is only AAA goyslop.
>>107237502
>>107236256Enthusiasts will buy it anyway for a secondary system/toyPeople that bought steam decks already have high end PCsAnd Valve is targeting the Frame at those people as well
>>107237264>PS6 is still a few years away.Fine, but Steam Machine 2 is a decade away.
>>107237283Yeah no shit, but that won't change for the Steam Machine.
>>107237502Literally the only game on my Deck right now is Sengoku Rance, a hentai game not available on any major game store.
>>107238074>Enthusiasts will buy it anyway for a secondary system/toyOkay, yeah. I could see it as a big upgrade for people who put a Raspberry Pi in the living room just to watch videos and play SNES games, who crave more.
When the slop that requires more than 8gb of vram (1080/1440) isn’t anywhere close to technically impressive as rdr2 then I don’t care.>but raytracingCan’t you wait until the ps6 comes out to start forcing that?
>>107237105Or why folks won't spend on RTX x080 and x090 GPUs and AMD equivalents.Even though I'm sure a whole bunch are on 14-year-old PC rigs.
>>107237113>corpo fucks will buy them all up use them for as cheap but powerful windows pc's at companiescome on valve don't even have the capacity to manufacture at that scale they aren't Dell or Lenovo
>>107238137had both rdr2 there when I had to finish 4 week dailies to keep the bonus going (ez 40fps) and elite dangerous and flying my afk cutter for few billy (60fps ez in space), also played death stranding on it and even a bit of helldivers, steam machine will pull easily 60fps on all of these, I don't care about blackassin creed nigeria, though it probably will also work
There's some slav playing stalker 2 on a 1060 right now
>>107238272They make enough steamdecks for ukraine&russia by the looks of all the drone operators who use one over there.
>>107238268>I'm sure a whole bunch are on 14-year-old PC rigs.So many Steam users are third-worlders or they're running a second-hand laptop because they're minors or just broke. They're not getting a fucking Steam Machine for $800.
>>107236044this is for consumersvalve will be manufacturing they get different ram prices since they buy in bulk directly from the factorystop being so asinine
>>107237359cope, nothing to do with tariffs.
>>107238311kek this
>>107235888why are you acting like such a little bitch about this? the steam deck got presets in games and gave developers a solid target to optimize for. they'll do the same for the steam machine, and then maybe you won't need a fucking 5090 with MFG to play the newest AAA titles. PC releases have gotten lazy because there's no standard on PC and all the devs sit at top-end machines all day. PC game requirements are stupid and games aren't that much better with all the shiny new expensive hardware.
>>107238311kek, I have a 7900xt and its not even plugged in, collecting dust
>>107237502they already said it will function as a normal PC that you can install all the typical apps on, even saying you could install your own preferred OS on it if you wanted
>>107238424>that much betterthey actually got worse, RT also needs proper implementation with liars like epic pretend is not true, result is games wjth baked lights looking better and running 4x better than miraculous RT wonders, that's why whole /v/ is against this shit, checkbox in your engine doesn't replace ppl making sure the scenes look good and all studios treat it like this, so you end up with blurry mess that can't run at 60, just buy 6090 you cheapskates, epic sold lumen to devs like openai, it will do everything for you... Yeah it's not working you lying cunts
>>107235888>70% of PC rigs areIn China. That's where all that fucking data comes from.
>>107235888It's going to cost either 599$ or 649$
>>107237502>Steam Machine is going to lock you into their ecosystem like Microsoft and Google tried doing with theirs.Yes, but not with the first generation hardware just like the steam deck it will be open. Till time has passed and valve starts changing the rules.
>>107238769my dad works at steam, and you're wrong.
>>107236136This.This is le gamechanger thoughbeit unironically frfr desu desu.(Not joking, btw.)
>>107238769there are retards paying 1k+ for phones. they can easily milk luddites.
>>107238900>ludditesWhat are you talking about Steam is the biggest gaming platform on the PC?How are these people luddites?
>>107238900PC gamers are slightly smarter than the average iTard cultist.
>>107236698bro it's an emulation box with steam support calm down
>>107238900phone is easily the most used computer in a normie's life. why wouldn't they buy a good one? this thing lives at their TV and they use it in the small amount of time they have after work and before they have to sleep.
>>107235888For. What. Price.This thing is utterly useless until they announce a price. This is a fucking PC with a Linux distro preinstalled. Its worth is ENTIRELY dependent on its PRICE.
>>107238966because the only thing normies use a phone for is to text their retarded friends, send nudes to whatever slut they're fucking, and watch netflix.
>>107236020It’s for you Americans who are starving and dont have clean water. Now you can play games.
>>107237518Almost certainly mostly pre-built PCs. I think /g/ genuinely underestimates how many normal people just... buy a box from best buy or whoever to play PC games on. They arn't the kind of people who watch reviews, they might read the reviews on the website, but not research the actual components.
>>107237830Unfortunately the lack of optimisation is also invading A-AA and Indie games
>>107239133nta but is it? the heaviest recent game I can think of is Expedition 33 and even that's insanely optimized for a UE5 game
50% of steam is chinks on laptopsfuck outta here
>>107238485Then whats the point of owning one instead of a normal PC you can build and customize according to your needs? Consoles are able to sell hardware at loss because they will make it up it in game purchase prices. Whats the business model here: reddit we love gaben gayming power valve best XD?
>>107239242almost nobody builds or customizes their PC anymore in the first place. most of the market is already prebuilts. steam machine is, I assume, just a cheaper prebuilt alternative that might have the added bonus of developers optimizing specifically for its standardized hardware. it will be a good deal for anyone who needs a new gaming rig but doesn't want to downgrade to winjeet 11, or as a secondary more portable gaming rig for another room or property since it only weighs like 6 pounds. we'll have to wait for them to reveal the price point to really get a feel for it.
i have a gtx970 and i5 6600 k I bought for witcher 3 back in a day, because it's enough for my gaming needs, and yet it STILL performs better than my work laptop which is literally twice as powerful (compared by encoding with ffmpeg). the only upgrade was an NVME some time ago.
>>107235888>No DVD driveHow am I supposed to get my games into the thing?
thread in a nutshell
>>107236183It's not locked down like consoles so they can't guarantee that it will sell more games.
>>107239419Are you going to post this every single thread.
>>107239371I was going to build some silly ITX box to go with my TV anyway, but if valve can deliver this thing at a respectable cost... yeah, I'll probably buy one. Especially as component prices are surging now. So yeah, for a frivolous secondary box it's perfectly fine IMO. And let's be honest it's probably an order of magnitude better than most people's laptops with an integrated GPU.
>>107235888The Linux Machine
>>107239397>compared by encoding with ffmpegdude, that's a useless comparison.
>>107239419There's a USB connector. Get an external drive.
>>107239421idk i have a desktop computer that takes up too much space that i'd rather a smaller PC specially since I don't even play modern games on it so this steam machine is exactly what I want. Not to mention when I move to a new house this will just make it so much easier and I won't have to fucking worry about my hardware dying from the move.
>>107239433They modeled all this new hardware after the Steam Deck. They already know what the attach rate looks like.
>>107239523Anyone who wants to monetarily support the future of Linux, the Steam devices are *the* way to do it.
>>107239421literally lol, valve even said they didn't make this thing top of the line because the people who wanted that already had it.
>>107239614I sold my main PC before moving, shit was enormous too. I was thinking of going mini ITX next build and this got announced shortly after, don't see why I wouldn't go for it if it's priced well.
>>107236044people were laughing at apple charging +200 for 32gb now we all pay that bullshit price.
>>107239688and honestly it just feels like a waste of space i literally keep my PC on a seperate desk, if I had this I could just keep it one 1 desk and use the other desk for something else entirely or just get rid of hte extra desk.
>>107239614You had 20 years to customize your PC to be smaller or buy a laptop with good specs. We know you’re not buying the Steam Machine.
>>107239791i literally have been paying off debt and this month im finishing off paying said debt so actually yea i am gonna buy it.
>>107235888If the price is decent, I'll consider it for a main PC upgrade. I already use Linux, so even better...
>>107235888>that means 70% of PC rigs are poorfag shitDid it take you this long to realize this? PCs are expensive, people with decent to good rigs are a vocal minority.
>>107239614Smaller cases have been available for over a decade.
>>107239614>>107239688>>107239767Honestly it's a valid selling point, I was considering forgoing the case altogether and just stuff the hardware in my TV shelf to avoid having a big black box somewhere in the room, now I can have a small black box under my TV.
>>107239865That is not smaller then the steam machine lmfaoAre you actually retarded?
>>107239865the case notorious for having horrible thermals?
>>107239637Probably Zero. How many people that bought the Steam Deck were not already manchildren with a Steam account and 50+ games? The amount of new accounts was probably single digits
>>107237019I might buy one as a coherant and stable Linux box. It's either that or deal with trannies and tinkering. Fuck that and fuck Windows 11.
>>107236426MH Wilds and other games with stuttering issues isn't caused by the CPU or GPU. It's 1) the fractured nature of PC hardware, and having to dynamically compile shaders for each GPU on the end user's PC 2) the lack of dedicated hardware file decompression. The Xbox and PS5 both have dedicated file de/compression accelerators built into the I/O block, plus they have unified memory, so they can literally decompress the files on the fly as it's loaded from the SSD to shared memory and the GPU can use the files right away. It's one seamless step that just werks.On PC you have to load the compressed file from your SSD (or HDD because there are so many poorfags) into the system memory, then the file is decompressed in place by the CPU, then the CPU sends metadata to the GPU, and then makes system calls to copy the decompressed files into the VRAM. DirectStorage only makes it a little better. The CPU still has to load the compressed files into system memory before copying the compressed files as-is over to the GPU. Then the GPU decompresses in place in the VRAM. There's still extra overhead compared to consoles but at least you're not making the CPU decompress stuff.
>>107237154i remember the original xbox was basically a repackaged pc with a soldered on gforce and unified memory. its specs weren't even great for the time and it was widely panned by people who owned actual pcs. it was considered something for kids and non-tech people.
>>107237264>they are on a holy crusade against Microsoft.Fixed for you bro.
>>107239888Anon posted something big and ancient, but there are plenty of sandwich style cases that are just 10cm wide and about 20cm long. Of course they come with their own downsides since the cooling can be quite loud.
>>107239523>Linux desktop soon fellow Linuxsisters!>No not like this!
>>107239968>Probably Zero. How many people that bought the Steam Deck were not already your average gamer?Honestly man, you're according a level of function to people who play games and use computers that just isn't warranted. Most people, including most people here, are not John Camrack or Tim Sweeny.
>>107240102yea i've bought what you are speaking of and i can tell you right now its dog shit. I have https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DGCNRRS3and i'll be honest its just not that good. I've installed path of exile on it and downscale it to the lowest possible settings and nope the game still loses frames. I've tried to play elden ring on it, dog shit, i've tried many different games, the only thing it can play is stuff like binding of isaac and emulation. I need something thats gonna be able to play anything I throw at it from 10 years ago and not have any issues and that is what the steam machine is.
>>107236610>the piss filterGod, that was the only thing I hated about that era. That, and Twilight fags.
>>107240102I'll show you something big and ancient :)
>>107240162You should have got a nuc 12 extreme + gpu
>>107240369i don't even know what would work good, think imma just wait for the steam machine at least i know i'll be getting a nice ryzen chip.
>>107240162Anon you are retarded I was talking about ITX cases like https://velkase.com/products/velka-3https://www.amazon.com/Aluminum-JOYJOM-Computer-Supports-Graphics/dp/B0BLXY7S4YAnd shit like this.
steamieniggers are obnoxious shills
>>107240400>https://velkase.com/products/velka-3dude thats still big, what do you mean? compared to what valve has made, I am waiting for this to come out and when it does i'll be selling my current PC and going for that.
itoddlers are obnoxious shills
>>107239865SFF is a mental illness
>>107240070It had better specs than the PS2.Consoles are for normies that want convenience. And console games.
>>107239865>buy this literal oven that needs 100,000 holes punched into it so it won't cook itself to death and also it's loud as shit no thx
>>107239834Whether here or outside of this dumpster.
>>107239523Dell has made and continues to make good hardware for Linux.
>>107240482buy 150w shitty "pc" no thanks steamie nigger
>>107235888There are probably like 20 millions Steam players that are from Indonesia alone. Is it worth appeasing them?
>>107239021And social media and games.I constantly catch normies of all ages playing mobile games in public, my foolish shut-in.Many use Facebook, Instagram, etc.
Unless they sell the Steam Machine at a loss, it's not worth it. If you're a poorfag, get your ass on Craigslist and find a used Ryzen PC, haggle them down on the price, then slowly upgrade it with an SSD, (used)GPU, and buy more ram when the price goes down on them. I bought a Dell prebuilt with a Ryzen5 1600, RX580, and 16GB of ram from guy on craigslist for $250 a couple of years ago. The deals are always there if you look hard enough and haggle them down.
>>107238939Little kid using words he doesn't understand in an attempt to fit in. We constantly get those.Thinking they can fool everyone is silly. Hilarious, even. Delusional, if I may be so bold.
>>107237518I only have 2GB of vram!
>>107240610>Unless they sell the Steam Machine at a lossThey aren't Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft, so that's guaranteed not to happen. Trying to make it worth it for the end user is an obvious priority. They are also not under shareholder pressure, so that's another plus.Paranoid.
>>107240610They are going to sell it for profit and make billions. Stop pretending you don't know how strong the valve cult is.
>>107239865the steam machine is the size of the PSU in that photo
>>107240610They'll sell it at the same price consoles go for these days $500-700 and they will make a profit from it. it'll be like this256 GB $500500 GB $6001TB $700and if they try to go any higher no one will buy it and they know that.
>>107240670they already said it won't be priced to compete with consoles
>>107240689where did they say that, and also thats just gabe being nice if he did say that, but we all know that is what is going to happen.
>>107240610that dell has shit cooling and is a lot larger. also ugly af
>>107240700>where did they say thatat the last nintendo direct
>>107240670It's going to cost $1100 Thats what mini PCs with similar specs are going for, and even desktops with 4060s are $1500 these days
>>107235888>If this is trueit is. people with top rigs are just a vocal minority. https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/
>>107240722yea no its not gonna be that because the steam frame is gonna be that much and the steam frame is basically a PC. Also considering theres no actual GPU and its only onboard will be another reason it won't cost that much, as well as the case alone is small form factor. You gotta take everything into consideration, as well as the fact it only has HDMI 2.1 and 1 DP. It will not be over 1k.
>>107240744https://store.minisforum.com/products/atomman-g7-ptCheck this out, similar specs but with a stronger CPU, going for $1000 WITHOUT memory or storage
>>107240778literally says $807 when i click that.
>>107240783>https://store.minisforum.com/products/atomman-g7-ptAlso sold out so i guess people are going crazy since they heard about steam machines lol
>>107240783Guess the US region has a special it's full price in mine.
>>107240849yea cause we have black friday deals, but still even so gabe isn't a jew so hes not gonna put jew prices.
>>107238348sure thing mr. know it all
mini itx pcs are never going to be as small as minipcs or the steam machine. It's just impossible to do it when all the parts have to be standardized.
>>107240610>barter economy in 2025shiggy diggy
>>107236355comparing with a laptop is not fair, different usecase
>>107240670Honestly announcing a lower storage config to hit a good memeable price point like $499 would be amazing I have my doubts of it happening, but thats the kind of price where
>>107236256>>107236277People who want a cutting edge PC are going to build their own anyways, retards. This is to target the masses who just want something that works.
>>107240977yea as someone who has built a PC and is scared as fuck to do it anymore because GPU drag and possible static discharge i'd rather just get a prebuilt and buy a new one when the old one dies and I really don't care if I can't play the latest and greatest game cause of it, most games that come out these days are shit anyways and if I want to play something new i'll just get it on console anyways.
>>107240923Nah it's the same use case but with bonus mobility. Most Macbooks are not being taken out to cafes or used literally on someone's lap, they spend their existence sitting on a desk somewhere often with the lid closed and an external monitor & peripherals being used. Basically a desktop that can double as a laptop, but its main use case is the same as a desktop.
>>107241032>is scared as fuck to do it anymore because GPU drag and possible static dischargeYou know a GPU support stand and anti-static wristband are both cheap as fuck, right?
>>107236355only in your schizo mind
>>107240738>people with top rigs are just americansfixed
>>107240738>>107239077
this makes sense since it allows masses to access steam's library that has plenty of pc only exclusivesthis isn't for people who can build something better for cheap - they can already run bazzite or nobara in big picture mode today
>>107241040this. my laptop sits on my desk top. the only difference is if i have to travel i can take it with me and i do.
>>107235888What does that even mean? 70% of gaming pc rigs???Do we count every computer still used each year that has Minesweeper on it?
>>107235953They don't have a list of benchmark estimates against share.
>>107241214Steam runs a voluntary hardware survey that Steam users can choose to submit data for. That's probably where they're getting their data.
>>107241226i don't know what the survery questions actually are or how much detail they go into. they can probably guess performance based off which cards are listed if they ask that sort of thing.
>>107240638I hope the best for it, the more people who buy Steam Decks/Machines, the more people will be playing games on Linux and that'll pressure devs to ensure Linux compatibility.That Dell I mentioned, which is now just my secondary PC, is about the same specs as a Steam Machine.>>107240709the cooling is pretty bad, I played Cyberpunk 2077 on it and the fans were going hard. It isn't ugly>>107240915People are always trying to sell stuff and PC's aren't in demand. They'll sit on Craigslist for months before being sold.
>>107241052yea and? I have a support stand and it still feels like its not really doing its job, also anti-static wristbands are garbage, last time i had one it broke while i was putting together a PC. At the end of the day though its not just about those 2 things as much anyways as just not having to worry bout it at all and having more space in my room for other shit/ just more space in general. Big PC cases are fucking rediculous when you're not rich and need space for other shit.
>>107240610>dell prebuiltI bet you can't even update the bios to go to a next gen cpu and you cannot even run windows 11 on first gen Ryzen without a workaround.>>107240670they already said you could freely swap out the storage, if the hardware isn't locked down then Apple's tiered pricing for storage is just a convoluted retard tax. also asking $700 for a 1TB steambox is a bit of a strech when gaming laptops with better gpu's (4060 5050 5060) can go for a low as $700-$800.>>107240897minipcs are much smaller than the gabecube because of that huge heatsink in there and small form factor PC's are kind of gimped by their sometimes using full ATX PSUs and single fan GPU's but anything that uses a laptop gpu, SSF cpu cooler and a generic laptop power brick can easily be smaller.
>>107241439yea but laptops are shit lol
>>107241439>I bet you can't even update the bios to go to a next gen cpu yep, i've done some research on it a while back and the best cpu that the mobo can support is a Ryzen 7 1700x. I'd be tempted to upgrade it if I could buy one dirt-cheap. Which, looking right now, I could get one on ebay for around $50. Meh, that's not cheap enough!>and you cannot even run windows 11 on first gen Ryzen without a workaround.Yeah, it doesn't support Windows 11. Right now, it's just my go-to Windows 10 machine if I ever have to do something that is really "Windows-only." At some point I'll likely end up putting Linux on it and giving it to a family member
>>107241304Craigslist is trash and full of scammers, Facebook marketplace and fleaBay are where the action is. Gaming hardware sells easily.
this is growing on me. prebuilt winbox replacement with what looks like actual support. if the price is right that is. linux on the desktop maybe. lhttps://clan.fastly.steamstatic.com/images/clan/45479024/318490ba6322069a2a0092f2bab3c859.webm?origin=https://store.steampowered.com/
>>107235888valveniggers arent peopleliteral subhuman DRM worshipping GayBen cumguzzling cucks
>>107241546DRM? wtf are you talking about, literally says on the website you can install any OS you want, the fucking oppisite of DRM retard.
>>107235888Well yeah it's probably based on steam hardware surveys, which includes thirdies.
>>107240923>>107240977>>107241056>>107241557you're replying to bait. 2 of the last 3 posts are also bait, shouldn't take much effort to notice who they are, they've been posting the same shit every single thread.
>>107241615bait on the internet, nah you're lying.
Hey, Gabe or Valve, if you're listening, make sure I can install gcc, emacs and VS2022(via wine)/VSCode and Firefox on this with zero fucking around and no chance of breaking shit because you've done some backsystem fuckery and not told anyone and I will 100% migrate to this and ditch my Winbox altogether. Fuck the gaming shit this could be Linux on the desktop don't fuck this up you fat bastard. Fuck. All kneesocks must be destroyed.
>>107241518I have high hopes that the UX will be normie friendly enough, but if for whatever reason you hate SteamOS, you can just install Windows on it since Valve already said neither the hardware or software will be locked down.
>>107241647if it's the same as the Deck, I find it pretty annoying that it's immutable. it makes sense for what they're trying to build but I do wish it were easier to just use pacman -S on the fucking thing
>>107241691If you're already comfy on another distro then why even use SteamOS at all? Just install steam on your favorite distro. But really? Does SteamOS on the deck not allow you to use the console and run commands when you're in desktop mode?
>>107235905I’m sure Did you know gaming will give a reasonable response to the sub 1k price tag.
>>107241670it looks like it bro. kde plasma apparently, maybe they've tweaked that too, i don't know. pic related, apparently you can switch between that and console mode by button push or something.i haven't used linux as a desktop since the 2000s, just couldn't be fucked anymore, so i don't know exactly what it's like these days but from everything and even running it in wsl2 it doesn't look like it's changed much. i use it only when i have to, which was running some niche scheme shit last time. but fuck me my man i fucking hate windows 10. final update is constantly fucking freezing fuck microsoft. i don't even game, all the shit i play when i do is old as fuck so i don't care about that. for me this is 100% an easy access supported linux box with good enough hardware. actually probably better hardware than i've ever bothered with. so price and app install shit are going to be my deciding factors. i want to be able to do that with risk of breaking custom easy life stuff fuck that tinkertranny noise. if valve put effort into the main usecase linux shit i think this will win big outside of gaming. fuck. anyway.man i wish a motherfucker would.
>>107241770>If you're already->>107239688 , if it already comes with an OS I can use daily, I don't need to switch. not like that's hard to do anyways.>But really?it's immutable, it comes with the same limitations other immutable distros have. from what I saw it has a "developer mode" that loosens its guardrails but I don't know how well that works, I've never read into the SteamOS since I never really needed it anyways.
>>107241691well i've never tried to install emacs on the deck what's it like
>>107240744>>107240778The steam machine has a discreet CPU and GPU, the saving grace is that both of them might as well be scrap silicon.CPU is a 6 core CCD with no integrated GPU, the GPU is a Navi 33 with only 28 of 32 possible CUs
>>107241647Oh, I see. Damn. That's pretty lame. I've never used SteamOS, but it seems like your only option for installing custom software is through Flatpaks. That's kind of retarded, gaben wtf?
>>107241866I meant to reply to >>107241812
>>107241866there are flatpaks for pretty much everything and it's similar in UX to how normies use .exe installers, so it fits. Plus it keeps the more retarded normie users secure and virus-free
>>107235888Yeah because most gamers have crap PCs
>>107241811What do you do with your computer? That's the question you need to ask if you're considering the gabecube as a daily driver. If it's just games and web browsing and not a whole lot else, then both systems ought to feel roughly the same. But if you do a lot of obscure niche stuff, or use Adobe suite software, or if you do a lot of music production stuff, you're probably going to have some adjustment pains
I will buy it im fucking sick of Microsoft making me pay to play online.
>>107240610Most things are cheaper when you buy them used.But normies prefer to buy shiny new stuff. Valve does have a market here, and it's not the sort of person who browses /g/.
>>107242002the obscure niche shit i do is linux based already. i run it in wsl2 because i can't be bothered with a seperate machine or dual boot or actually any behind the scenes tinkering at all or wizards or kneesock wearing gatekeepers. other than that masm in vs2022, which i could probably go wine for. hence my point, if i can install and run that sort of thing in steamos without breaking any of valves custom shit or trannifying how they've patched arch and do so easily then windows can go fuck itself forever. i look forwards to that day, especially given windows 11 and agentic everything.i don't care about hardware lockdown because it'll have corporate support which means it won't be broken next, hopefully infrequent (fuck you microsoft) update. their hardware specs are fine. i figure if they've fixed gaming then they've fixed audio and everything else i use it for is basic bitch shit so we're probably golden. maybe. depending on price.if i was valve i'd be checking my windows emulation for non-game things. they're sitting on a lot of potential with this sort of thing. they can't be worse than microsoft for anything. i think.
>>107242103>it's not the sort of person who browses /gYou give this place far too much credit.
>>107242203You should go on Flathub, search up all the software you use regularly, see if it's on there. If it is, then you should pretty much be able to run it on SteamOS with a one click install.
>>107242266well then things are looking up. i don't know what they've done to arch to make this shit go. as i said, i haven't bothered being deep into linux in 20 years. and i tend to use an os to run stuff, not in order to program the os. so if everything just werks then we're looking good.
>>107242327Well, I'm not sure what problems you've had with Linux in the past, but it's usually "just worked" for me. I hear old stories about Linux not recognizing people's GPUs, the installers being broken, the network cards not being recognized, weird audio issues, that sort of thing. I know it must happen to many people. But in all my last 8 years of using Linux on like 10 different computers, I haven't really had any major issues, other than stuff like "Photoshop doesn't run on here natively" and that sort of thing.For instance, you want gcc, emacs, VSCode and Firefox? Firefox comes preinstalled on pretty much every desktop Linux ever made. Same with gcc. Emacs? It can be done with a single command. VSCode has an official repository for every major Linux distribution.
>>107241214>>107241281They know exactly what their customers use and maybe how to convince them to upgrade.https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
>>107239888>>107242073>>107241463We can go even smaller, powerful and cheaper. The Tablet can be a PC, Steam Deck fails at portability, Steam Machines fails at space and specs. The tablet can become better and more feature packed.
>>107241214most people play gotcha slop or csgo lol you only need a toaster for those
>>107242460>For instance, you want gcc, emacs, VSCodemy specific concern is migrating away from windows, given the apparent trajectory microsoft is taking with its desktop os's. i am moving to linux in all likelyhood regardless. mac is unlikely due to cost although i am aware that some of the niche stuff i do is/was ported to mac, because why not apparently?regarding linux, i was starting to consider options. i am aware that everything excepting vs2022 is available. that i can probably get going via emulation, apparently other people have, if i feel i need to. i was not looking forwards to general loonixing and i've dealt with enough of the stereotype over time to know it's real. i have friends and relatives who are professionals and yeah i know it's real. i am as technical as i need to be. i am also very lazy.this pre-made professionally supported box looks ideal to me for most of the same reasons you would buy an apple or say, a win-dell box. however, my concerns are what valve has done to arch in order to make it go, and how putting things on it outside of their little niche area would effect the general functioning of their os. installing a different os makes this less attractive; i'll just buy a computer and do it myself in that case. i only use wsl2 for specific use cases and don't even update it because i don't need to. i have forgotten basically everything i knew about linux because it's been so long (20 years maybe since a daily driver) i haven't needed to remember it. this can just make shit much easier for me. i don't have any idealogical investment in foss or the linux foundation, which is basically run by the same corporate majors a lot of linux people think they're escaping. i've done enough pc building, tinkering, upgrading and looonixing in my time to no longer care about that sort of thing. i started with red hat back in like 98 or so. built my first rig about then too. yes, i am old. thank you for reading my blog.
>>107242524Looks like most people are still gaming on 1080p on around medium settings.
>>107241056It's the same form factor retard. Read the thread. Lurk more faggot.
>>107235928mfw this is literally me
>>107235888>literally destituteliterally me
>>107242667I don't know, maybe you and a bunch of these other guys were just doing more advanced stuff than me and that's why you were having issues. I'm a pretty simple user, myself. I don't like tinkering. I always stuck with the default settings that came with the desktop environment. I never did any of that ricing shit at all. There's like a dozen old games from 10+ years ago that I like playing. Steam works on here, so do the old games for the most part. Apparently Valve developed this Proton emulator thing, that comes with Steam on Linux, and allows most games to just run on Steam now. So that's probably why I haven't had many challenges there.>i don't have any idealogical investment in foss or the linux foundation, which is basically run by the same corporate majors a lot of linux people think they're escaping. Even though you're correct that much of the Linux software is funded and developed by large corporations, so you're not totally escaping corporate influence with Linux, I do think there's merit in the fact that corporations developing FOSS for Linux aren't putting the same level of spyware and cancerous, actively user-hostile "features" which only benefit the corporation at the expense of the user's privacy and overall experience. They can't do that on FOSS because all that crap can just be taken right back out.Jeetosoft is currently enshittifying your experience on Windows just to benefit themselves. At least when something bad happens on Linux, it's usually a mistake or lack of resources. Not a deliberate decision to tell you to go fuck yourself.I also don't like how corporations like Microsoft try to close and lock everything down, so they can make extra profit and keep people from being able to make their own changes or improvements to Windows. They only keep doing it because people keep putting up with it. And as long as people keep putting up with it, they'll keep doing it. At some point people just have to say enough is enough.
>>107242634show me a tablet that is better and i'll buy it next week.
>>107242969>They only keep doing it because people keep putting up with it.they'll keep doing it because it doesn't interfere with the end user's use case too much for the end user to care. they fucked up with windows 10 for corporate users, because large vendors can't update their entire fleet every month. if the update is buggy it takes out the entire lot and brings the company to a halt. so typically a corporate user will update one group of machines here, another there, wait a while, move it through, etc. makes everything less risky. microsoft bascially ignored that and it has caused a lot of friction. they think they have such a monopoly it won't matter and they're correct to a point because there is no alternative for enterprise level front-ends. i'm going to keep an eye on the steam machine. i won't be an early adopter. if it works out it works out, otherwise i'll have to come up with something else.
>>107235888Grim, considering that 99% of normies game on laptops with integrated graphics and 10 year old hardware or its modern equivalent.
>>107235888>Better Performance than 70% of Gaming PC RigsOh i forgot, steam totally used their survey data to make this a reality
>>107235905I think they haven't revealed the price because they are waiting to see how the situation with RAM prices is going to go.
>>107235888>The steam box is like $500 Max costit's advertised as a pc. it's gonna cost between 700 and 1000 dollars
Why didn't Steam just pair up with Minisforum?Their tiny box PCs blow the GabeCube out of the water.Then for their expensive GabeCube Ultra/Plus/whatever they just need to take the ROG pill and stuff the most ridiculous shit in that small form box.
>>107245007minipc companies don't care about thermal design and overheating
>>107239421kek I've been thinking of getting one for my son just waiting for the price depending on it I'll just built him one instead
>>107241286there are no questionsit sends your hardware and software specifications to Valve, that’s it.
>>107242732shizo
>>107241812>from what I saw it has a "developer mode" that loosens its guardrails but I don't know how well that worksThat lets you fuck with enough stuff to make it do what you want but you should still install stuff to the user rather than to the OS as root.
>>107242977Apple ipad, just jailbreak it and you can do more than Steam Deck or Steam Machine. No Proton, no Steam and no force sign up to buy it. That is way more simple and proven results.
>>107235953this is literally the specs of the steam machine except the steam machine will be an optimised version of it and especially so because it wont run windows 10/11
>>107235888This soundbite is getting repeated a lot so I can't deny it was a smart way for them to describe it. But it's a rather misleading and tortured description.Try ignoring the millions of shitty laptops that only have Steam to run Solitaire and instead only consider people who have bought and played a AAA game in the past year. See what the stats look like then.Same goes for>it's 6x as powerful as the steam deckI can run 6x faster than a baby
>>107245719Give it up, nothing beats custom PC. Your little Chinese toy PC like Steam Deck can’t match its current power and usage.
>>1072392421. Price and physical space.2. Tryhards aren't target demographic
>>107246593The raspberry pi is the better solution but no Valve brand so these cult members just buy exclusively on Steam.
honestly I just hope this sets a realistic baseline for enginedevsall games should be designed to run at 240fps on a steam machine and any features above that need to be specifically enabled
>>107235888Only 17% of people live in developed countries.Average PC taking in account all the steam accounts is probably 10 y/o office e-waste from Russia/Ukraine/Poland spiced up with aliexpress parts.
>>107236044redeem the cloudflare
So... whats the use case scenario of a gaming mini PC? Like if you really care about performance and stuff you will build a rig with proper cooling, upgradability and shit.If you live on the go and want to play you will pick a gaming laptop, because lugging around a whole setup is unrealistic.Unless Valve somehow secures an OEM manufacturing deal which would enable them to sell it considerably cheaper than comparable standalone setups with similar performance it seems like another DOA product. Even if they do it will be sold out instantly and scalped so it doesn't matter.
>>107235888so everything is soldered to the board then, I take it
>>107235888https://youtu.be/zpf5C6k3RC8Look at the valve drones / steam fangirls crying in the comments
>>107245719>optimisedyou don't know what optimized is
>>107247243raspberry pi is not a solution, that shit gets sold out the moment they have any in stock/ isn't gonna play games like the steam machine will be able to.
>>107235888>The steam box is like $500 Max costYou don't know that.
>>107237502If this was their approach why would they have released the drivers that let you boot Windows on the Deck?
>>107235888Isn't the next Xbox supposedly gonna be a PC too? Why wouldn't i just buy that?
>>107249422your fridge is an xbox
>>107249524am I an Xbox?
>>107249599do you have a computer interface inside your brain?
>>107249716I'm interfacing with this computer right now, using my brain. and hands.
>>107239614>idk i have a desktop computer that takes up too much space that i'd rather a smaller PC specially since I don't even play modern games on it so this steam machine is exactly what I want. Not to mention when I move to a new house this will just make it so much easier and I won't have to fucking worry about my hardware dying from the moveNOOOOOO! YOU CANNOT GET THIS THING, IT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT, UNDER POWERED AND CANNOT DO EVERYTHING A PC CAN! THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. IF YOU BUY THIS, IT MEANS GAME DEVELOPERS WILL MAKE GAMES TO THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR. WHY ARE YOU SO SELFISH!
>>107239614>wants a smaller sized pc>doesn't play modern games>says space is an issue but has been gaming on a pc "that takes up too much space">small form factor cases have existed for decades>steam machine gets announced>all of the sudden he needs itwhy are you trying to lie to yourself and us anon? the truth is you don't need a steam machine and space isn't a big issue for you, if it was you would've had an SFF PC already, i have an optiplex 5050 with a low profile dgpu, i play games that i can run at 1080p / 35-45+ fps old school or modern, obviously not the crazy AAA games, and space is an issue for me.TL;DR build your own SFF PC that will last you 3-4-5+ years, the steam machine specs are garbage and i will be obsolete by Q4 2026
>>107250085i don't want to build anything, i've already said this.
>>107249240Steam Machine can’t play games without Proton. Raspberry pi works the same thing. There is never a reason to buy Chinese junk like Steam Machine.
>>107250477i can install windows onto it
>>107249524>THIS IS AN XBOX THAT GOES ON THE WALL>clearly has its leg attached
>>107235888>all that online smug talk from the pclardrace>turns out 70% of them have a cuckbox that barely matches the base ps5 (with ps6 dropping in 2027)holy kek, reminder that this is the kind of person to say that "gaming is dead" and that "there's nothing to play" lmaoalso shout out to valvedrones having to wait 20+ years to get a shitbox that provides a half-assed console-like gaming experience (don't even You me, that shit comes with a gamepad for fucks sake)
>>107235888I mean if you approximate those specs and buy all the parts you need new you can see how much it costs to build something similar. It doesn't even matter if they get these parts for less because its competing with what's commercially available for consumers. If it's anywhere in 600-800 range it's good value, if its 900-1000 it's still kind of worth it, especially considering it's even smaller than this. The only real downside is a lack of upgradability.
>>107249524
>>107248456Takes less space in your home and is easier to move if you're moving places, more table space for people who have more than their gaming keyboard on their table if you just want to use it as a PC. I like upgradability personally but the vast majority of people don't want to even touch the inside of their computer and will just sell it when they are done with it and it IS honestly a chore having to rebuild it. Plus, if you only plan to upgrade your shit when a new generation of sockets comes out or later the cpu may well be soldered onto it
>>107251697>1 stick of ram>extra ssd to increase the price>850w psushit build.
>>107251854I just misread the specs on the SSD, for some reason I thought it had 3TB, either way that only saves like what 50 bucks, 2 sticks of ram would be even more expensive and thats the cheapest PSU on the site that is this size (which it has to be)
>>107251854>>107251697Here I tried to look for even cheaper stuff just for you anon-kun, what a saving. Either way if you really push it and look up parts yourself from different vendors local and national maybe you'll shave off another 50-80 bucks from it, and even then the asking price for it would not be outrageous and even quite decent. Personally I just buy used parts and it cuts the cost in half but most people don't so.
>>107252045Better, thanks. I think the RAM is a bit slow, but I know the RAM price situation makes things difficult.
