>>107236999
Fedora maybe but not Ubuntu due to snaps. Snaps are security on steroids, for example, I couldn't connect to online lobbies in Monster Hunter because of snaps. They are that protected and isolated.

>>107236999
probably because it has more packages

>>107236999
Arch uses all "vanilla" packages directly from upstream developers with no code and config changes.
This is really the only reason.
The fact it is Arch is almost irrelevant as Steam OS is immutable and fixed version while Arch is rolling release with no fixed version.

>>107236999
Ubuntu is a meme distro in the process of self-destructing. Valve already had "pleasure" to be dealing with Fedora because of their involvement in Wayland and Gaben literally decided to hire actual devs to make that shit work.
Arch is by design doing the least amount of fuckery and is leaving everything in hands of whoever is using it, including developers of Arch-based distro.

>>107236999
Arch linux is used as a beta/alpha branch for steamOS though they make an image form that that time the latest and test stuff.
I think the reason they went away form it is that Ubuntu wanted to kill 32bit libraries way back, so they went with debian which is way too old of a base.

>>107236999
Arch is the best base for an immutable distro. Its packages are up to date and elegant, no fucking around with snaps and shit. That's basically the main reason arch is popular, it just gives you simple building blocks to design your system how you want it. An immutable distro just lets you distribute the assembled system to others.
I'm glad valve and kde are both using it as a base, surprised no one's made a bazzite knockoff based on arch yet honestly, in the gap before valve releases steamos properly.

>>107236999
>commerically supported distro like Ubuntu
They hate uwuntu
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Linux-Gaming-Valve-could-warn-against-using-Ubuntu-s-Snap-version-of-Steam.795641.0.html

>>107236999
>commercially-supported
by definition Steam OS is commercially supported - by fucking Valve. Are you suffering from a brain injury?

>>107236999
>wouldn't a commerically supported distro like Ubuntu or Fedora make way more sense
why would they want to fight other tech companies when they can take full control themselves?

plus all the other advantages everyone said

but the fact that arch is NOT commercially supported is also a huge reason, cause they want to exercise as much control as they can

>>107236999
>Ubuntu or Fedora
Those distros are affiliated with companies. Don't listen to any niggers online Ubuntu, openSUSE and Fedora are the best distros, with the best security and compatibility for software and QA.

Debian (Ubuntu), Fedora, openSUSE and Arch are the ONLY viable non meme distros and only Debian and Arch are independent. SteamOS was Debian based before. Arch's rapid development allows SteamOS to finetune better and faster.

>>107240037
>Don't listen to any niggers online Ubuntu, openSUSE and Fedora are the best distros,
Only retarded niggers think so
>Ubuntu
Canonical's bullshit has ruined it
Mint is better
>Fedora
You are literally a lab rat for a corp
Who the fuck wants to fully upgrade their systems every 6 months?
Also some stuff breaks because you are literally a beta tester for Redhat.
>opensuse
no comment it's just trash

>>107236999
Arch Linux is a tranny distro thats why

>>107240060
Hey, hey, hey... don't get me wrong, I love Debian and Arch, but Ubuntu, Fedora and openSUSE got company support and it shows. Try to install industry software, you will ALWAYS find a .deb or .rpm.
>Mint is better
I agree, but again, it's based on fucking ubuntu, because ubuntu is good, except for a couple flaws.
>fully upgrade their systems every 6 months?
It's just 1 click or 1 command, unlike debian. And practically feels like a normal sudo dnf upgrade. Red Fag / FEDora devs make sure that goes well without issues.
>openSUSE slander
Leap is basically a free enterprise distro and tumbleweed is good. They have the best btrfs and snapper implementation on the market and take security just as serious as Red Hat. (SELinux, secureboot, FDE, encrypted boot etc.)

>>107240125
>Try to install industry software, you will ALWAYS find a .deb or .rpm.
And you will ALWAYS find it on the AUR too.

>>107236999
It's the cleanest Linux distro without bloat that they can add their own shit in

>>107236999
even gaben doesn't like outdated packages. having nvidia drivers just werk ootb probably doesn't hurt either.

Writing PKGBUILDs is easy as fuck and Arch gets the latest packages.

Still, something ublue based could've been cool but that literally came out after the Deck.

>>107236999
>why wouldnt they release a commercially supported distro supported by another company
how fucking retarded are you?

>>107236999
Answer is simple: pacman and PKGBUILDs are much more convenient package manage and package manifest than deb, rpm, dnf, apt etc.
>>107237053
That's not true, most of Arch packages are patched in one way or another. Just open any official PKGBUILD and there's a high chance that it's patched with a fix that isn't present in a release version of software.
>>107239927
This

>>107236999
Fedora would be the stable and secure choice. Valve wants to be able to use bleeding edge and wants maximum performance. This is something fedora does not provide. Look at bazzite. It's great, but significantly slower than steamOS, which is especially noticeable on slower hardware.

>>107236999
SteamOS's "Arch" has frozen packages. Valve manually freezes packages at a certain version. SteamOS is to Arch what OpenSUSE Leap LTS is to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.

It's actually ironic to watch Archfags use SteamOS as an argument that their toy OS is production-ready when in reality it proves that rolling release is a shit release method for production OS.

>>107237053
Right. Which is why when their one dude responsible for unfucking gcc and glibc goes missing they can't push their upgrades for half a year

>>107236999
All other distro arguments aside, if Valve were to take a distro commercially supported by someone else as their base, and try to support it themselves, this would have a strong chance of leading to conflicts. Canonical has tons of other customers and cares about their profits, so does Red Hat. Valve would be giving up control to them, giving them the ability to unilaterally decide to change something that fucks Valve over, and not have a strong say in reverting that. For example when Ubuntu started pushing for snaps -if Valve had been a customer at the time they'd have had to bail and scramble to switch to a new distro, or get fucked by snaps everything.

Arch is built by volunteers who have a relatively stable vision and no corporate interests. At worst, it's unlikely there'll be a conflict of interest, and if Valve does most of the work themselves they can just fork Arch anyway and maintain their own derivative in parallel. At best, Valve might be able to BE the corporate interest, and influence Arch decisions without any other massive corporate pushback getting in the way. Volunteer Arch devs are likely to be swayed by a) genuine technical merit arguments and b) "we will spend $200k in dev-hours implementing it ourselves, commit to keeping it maintained, and give it to you for free" arguments. Both things that a corporate-maintained distro is much more likely to not care about and just tell Valve to fuck themselves if "the corporate interests aren't aligned".

>>107236999
>commercially supported
That's actually detrimental to Steam's use case. It means they need to deal with another company's bullshit and whatever ease-of-use shit they stacked on top their distros, whereas Arch Linux is as vanilla and customizable as it gets without it being autistically difficult to set up like Gentoo. Essentially SteamOS is one Valve employee's Arch Linux setup copy pasted to all Steam hardware things.

>>107236999
arch based surpassed debian based in usefulness years ago try to keep up

>>107245462
So you're saying I should try steamos if I don't want rolling release breaking my shit?

>>107242974
Ah yes why shouldn't I trust a random nobody's code?

>>107236999
Ubuntu is just Debian with more bloat, the end-user experience of Debian based distros is atrocious on newer hardware because all of the packages are version locked and out of date by about a year. A whole year to get the latest Kernel, KDE, or whatever is fucking absurd. And that's just scratching the surface of it, there is a lot of things that Arch does that make it a much better baseline OS to work on for example it doesn't change package defaults from upstream, they don't change config paths etc so the documentation is universal.

>>107251064
????
You dont have tt? You can read the PKGBUILD

>>107251562
holy shit how ignorant are you?
there's like a million ways to hide stuff, not to mention that he could even have modified the fucking source code

you are trusting a random nobody
unless you inspect every single line of code you are at his mercy

frankly if you dl from the aur you are a massive tard

>>107251512
Anon-san, to a dirty windows user, would you recommend arch over mint for a first linux os?

>>107252420
no, dont be daft

>>107252463
Then one last tard question, something like CachyOS? Its arch based and more retardproof, or so it seems.

>>107252598
no

>>107237007
>They are that protected and isolated.
and they run as root and they download packages from a proprietary store
and they're bloody annoying

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Valve knows Arch is the best simple no fuss just works distro. Everyone with at least half a brain knows this.

>>107236999
They hired an arch fag, never do that.

>>107252420
>>107252598
if you are a grade a tard get mint
if you are less of a tard get nobara

I need to buy a Steam Controller ASAP

>>107252774
if you want something that works use mint
if you want to tinker for hours get anything else

>>107240125
>Try to install industry software, you will ALWAYS find a .deb or .rpm.
Which Arch supports too.
Even though appimage is by far the actual industry standard now. It's still nice to support obsolete formats.

Rolling, the other option is tumbleweed or solus.

>>107236999
>wouldn't a commerically supported distro like Ubuntu or Fedora make way more sense?

Valve is the commercial support :^)
Other than that I think it's because arch is very "neutral" in the way it tries to package dependencies.
See on Fedora they might have needed to deal with a dependency change made on upstream due to copyright.
Ubuntu/Debian also shove their own dependencies in various packages you don't really need.
For all of its faults Arch is fairly neutral which helps.

>>107252793
Pre-order it with the steam box on Nov 21, you will get a cool game with it too.

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>>107239927
>>107239964
>>107252753
>>107253051
You glad they took away your customization?

>>107253093
SteamOS as an arch-based system does more good than harm to the Arch community. Linux users need to stop making perfection the enemy of good. Jesus Christ shut up and take the wins as you receive them.

>>107253093
Use case for customization on an OS optimized to run on a handheld PC?

>>107253121
SteamOS is a corporate platform for profit. There is zero thought behind it, there’s zero value for gaming when you over relying on Proton which is made by Corporate Valve. Steam client offers zero reasonable explanation for its existence when people had been able to download it using browser or terminal. There is spyware that is included on Steam is not something Linux will support, only you people support it.

Stop supporting the bad guy here.

>>107236999
Gabe is a fat old retard and looks like the arch meme personified.

>>107253743
>muh native ports
You should be sucking Gabe's cock for getting you +5% marketshare over the last five years but instead you're labelled them as the bad guy.

Sincerely, go fuck yourselves autists.

>>107236999
>wouldn't a commerically supported distro like Ubuntu or Fedora make way more sense
SteamOS is being maintained in house by Valve, so by defintion it is commercially supported
The downsides and instability of rolling releases are pretty much already ironed over because Valve of all companies is supporting and maintaining their OS in-house.

>>107253758
5% of what bot? You can’t prove their real people with accounts being verified or completely different from one another. We know there’s millions of bots in Steam, i seen Master Duel bots and fought them. There are bots in CSGO for farming dumb jpg of a weapon skin. Bots that farm cards to inflate the market value. Review bots, bots that collect stats, bots collecting free keys, etc.

Anon Steam is not the best gaming platform and nor does it help Linux gamers in any meaningful way.

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>>107253828
>Steam is not the best gaming platform and nor does it help Linux gamers in any meaningful way.
Absolutely delusional. I have 1700 games on steam. 87% of them are perfectly playable on Linux thanks to Proton's compatibility layer. Now before you argue that WINE and DXVK is doing the heavy lifting, you're right, but guess who's financing a lot of that work???

>>107252774
>nobara
found the fedora faggot

>>107253828
Not only do they help Linux they are the ONLY ONE who is trying to make Linux a thing and destroy Microjeet and it's garbage jeet'd dung OS.

>>107253743
>NOOOO DON'T GIVE ME SOFTWARE SUPPORT AIEEEEEEEEEEE

>>107253860
Not Valve: https://sfconservancy.org/about/transparency/

Valve never post earnings or donations. Wine does and Valve is not on the list. Valve is contributing nothing.

>>107253828
>nor does it help Linux gamers in any meaningful way
Retard. Before Proton was a thing, trying to get games running with Wine was pure hell, even if you used something like PlayOnLinux.
Valve is the savior of Linux.

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>>107253121
>>107253899
>>107253904
>>107253971
There’s no evidence pointing to them helping Linux. You’re selling propaganda from Reddit cult followers. Proton is tied to Steam very heavily that there’s nothing to escape from their control. They refused to give up liberty and database rights that can help fork versions. SteamOS is locked into spyware, there’s nothing anyone can do to remove it. As you tried to claim “open source” but failed to prove its “open source” when GitHub page doesn’t exist or anything.

You people need therapy.

>>107253985
you need therapy for being this rabid of a contrarian

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>>107254011
Prove your point instead of “trust me bro” nonsense or cult propaganda.

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>>107253985
I goon to hentai but you couldnt catch me watching that tranime shit

>>107254027
you'll still cry when linux reaches 20% use on steam and all the anticheats and prosumer software kneels to valve
no one gives a shit, you benefit from valve's work and still you seethe

>>107253985
>Proton is tied to Steam very heavily that there’s nothing to escape from their control.
Blatant lies. You can run games on Proton without having Steam installed. I've done so with Lutris.

>>107242974
>And you will ALWAYS find it on the AUR too.
True and I respect the Arch community for that. (You) can always check the build scripts, but many people can't. And the recent AUR Malware incidents + constant DDoS doesn't help either.
>>107252870
>Even though appimage
I like when devs offer an AppImage, but thats not the case most of the time. It's .debs and .rpms even fucking Steam is a .deb that is turned into a distro package for arch or fedora.

>>107253985
I can't describe your kind in proper terms, but I'll try. You remind me of the kind of women who is 1XL sized that will convince her 2XL friend to keep eating more and ignore any help they can get in order to feel better about themselves. That's what you "people" are to linux.

>>107253093
I still have customization if I install arch though.

>>107254140
>>107254147
>>107254435
>Propaganda sentence
If you actually read code, you see it’s locked into Steam. You can not run it without Steam related content created by Valve Corporation.

>>107254528
Not you can’t, SteamOS is locked from customized features. You only say this because you never tried it, you didn’t read their SteamOS documents and you believed in false information.

>>107254562
>You can not run it without Steam related content created by Valve Corporation.
Yes, you can. See the umu project for more details.

>>107254582
No evidence at all, you just took that information from Reddit. They don’t announce hiring. They are not transparent about their positions and earnings. Valve refuse developers to answer questions about sells by contract. Stop lying.

>>107254583
>UMU project relying solely on Steam Developers for forked coding on newer features being added.
>UMU Steam Runtime “Steam Runtime for testing. This is not usually necessary: using the official runtime is normally more appropriate.”
Ya so you’re wrong about how code works and choose to believe in nonsense Reddit posts.

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>>107237022
suck my package

>>107237007
fedora's slurping ibm's limp needle cock so absolutely not.

>>107236999
it was originally debian op

>>107252032
>supply chain attack
>download .deb or rpm
>get fucked
lol
LMAO

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>>107237007
Snaps are literally irrelevant outside of some of Ubuntu's OS components and Firefox. Steam has a working flatpak, the Snap version is not supposed to be used unless you're super stupid, everything else is best installed via Apt, occasionally pip. Apt packages are also generally updated sooner. Some folks do like Snaps, though Snap versions of a lot of software doesn't exist. But hey, we are spoiled with options and options and options, pick whatever you want, setup your distro however you want.
I stick to Apt for simplicity and it is the most practical. Also, Ubuntu's own DE is quite nice. Wayland is in use by default, but we can just log out and log back in with Xorg instead, Gnome and KDE are optional and can be installed for the cum-guzzling faggots that like those.

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>>107236999
arch sisters

The AUR is the only thing that makes Linux usable for the employed.

>>107254743
>Gamingonlinux
Ahh that YouTuber who self proclaimed himself a Linux journalist. I see why you were fool. Did you even ask yourself if it was real or a fake news created by that guy. Nothing about the article confirms with real world facts. Odd that this is only place Philip was will to interview while there is nothing on real journalists. You are believing in lies. Gaminglinux is well known jerk in the fediverse for blocking anyone who disagrees with Valve Corporation content.

>>107254743
Also adding to Gamingonlinux history. He is banned on Arch, Linux and Technology. Not the kind of guy you should trust if 3 top Reddit subreddits are not allowing his content. He is not a real journalist, he doesn’t care about Linux gaming, he doesn’t understand tech.

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>>107256012
Anon, learn to read. It just redirects back to the interview with no follow up with the developer.

>>107256143
That’s a quote from Gamingonlinux article. The yahoo that’s stealing the digitaltrends article is using emails from Pirrlery who is a Valve employee. You misread how the article was structured to fit Gamingonlinux and the email quotes. We have yet to confirm if the guy is an official Valve employee because there is only one article with a “journalist” who is well known for being a Steam Cultist and again banned from many big Reddit communities. He is hated in the fediverse communities for his cult articles and he blocks people who criticized him.

>>107256321
It’s not on Yahoo, the original was in digitaltrends. Yahoo tech clearly says it’s from that website with logo on the top left. You literally can’t read, are you a Zoomer because only you dumb United States Zoomers can’t read.

>>107256403
You are literally believing in Gamingonlinux. You are a kid who can’t read and failed to comprehend how you didn’t redirect back to the original source. No one believes you zoomer.

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>>107256443
It offers nothing to anyone, as stated it was nothing more than a quote. You are the only one who believes it has connection to him being hired. I know English is hard for you zoomers but facts state that it’s a quote, the paragraph is structured to fit the quote. There is no mistake from the reader, the Gamingonlinux section is about that old article. Before and after Gamingonlinux sections are written by the author with Valve email answers, the mention of both Gamingonlinux and Philip stops when reading outside the quoted article.

Anon the author has written.

>>107236999
because Arch is the best

>>107239943
uwuntu has a cute color palette, i just dont like the furry undertones.
if it wasn't for that i'd tell others to try it.

>>107236999
to be fair, i'd much rather they had used a debian based distro, but since debian (like the rest of ubuntu) has decided to take the tranny pill, so arch linux seems like the better option now.

though, if they really wanted to custom tailor the OS for their hardware, gentoo or lfs would've been a better choice, to ensure that the code is architecture/hardware specific.

but arch is a good choice, so long as the trannies dont touch it further

>>107256568
You zoomers should read: >>107256270
There was nothing new, you’re literally misreading basic news. If you’re so sure, why not just ask the developer or Linuxongaming. They both have contacts one of them is on the mastodon federation so you literally have no excuse to not talk to them.

>>107255931
check out the fedora on this nigger.
>I do not wear a Fedora, they are locked down corporate slop which you would know if you actually read code

lol, lmao even

>>107253340
>Use case
breaking the system just to have a reason to whine about how much linux sucks

>>107254562
But I don't have to install steamos

>>107253916
Nta but DXVK was Valve funded. Vkd3d was also adopted by Valve. Those alone are massive boons. Now we have Valve's x86 on ARM layer I can't remember the name of. FEX? Iirc they also collaborate with Collabora frequently

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>>107257030
>>107257035
>>107259118
Steam cultist defending a corporation that has a criminal history. Anon you’re no better than the MAGAs. Gamingonlinux is the equivalent of Charlie Kirk, talking nonsense to the believers.

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does valve solve the linux anti-cheat problem by releasing signed linux kernels?

>>107237007
A game on Steam could easily be malware, they kinda need isolation.

>>107259321
Which criminal history? *twirls mustache* Are you some Riot paid shill?

>>107254670
Yes, they are only working to run games containerized for their rumtime? So what? The runtime isn't spyware and you can still fork it if you don't like it.
>I want it to just be Wine with distro packages again.
They don't have to bend over backwards for you. Just be less lazy. Till Steam games only start with secure boot and signed SteamOS, the only thing stopping you is laziness.

>>107259375
The Patent lawsuit against Valve Corporation for stealing and commercially selling it. They stole it from SCUF, after a few years later they sold it to Corsair. The jury found Valve guilty of stealing, the American public has spoken.

Valve also broke the antitrust law and is now in a class action lawsuit with Wolfgaming and Dark cattle studios: https://www.gosugamers.net/entertainment/news/73883-wolfire-games-dark-catt-studios-antitrust-lawsuit-against-valve-granted-class-action-status

They are criminals, no other gaming company has ever done such thing.

>>107259585
Sony las lost joypad lawsuits as well.

>>107236999
>but from a purely technical standpoint wouldn't a commerically supported distro like Ubuntu or Fedora make way more sense?
From a purely technical standpoint Arch makes perfect sense because it's always got the latest Mesa and whatever else that's important to games.
It's not even Arch in its normal form, it's an immutable distro.
Not even sure how much relation it has to arch at this point then.

>>107244085
>pacman and PKGBUILDs are much more convenient package manage and package manifest than deb, rpm, dnf, apt etc.
It doesn't use pacman.
>>107245462
>It's actually ironic to watch Archfags use SteamOS as an argument that their toy OS is production-ready when in reality it proves that rolling release is a shit release method for production OS.
I don't know nigger I've been updooting the same install for 2 and a half years without problems.

>>107236999
you're probably just trying to meme but it's very important for things to be up to date

so much software on ubuntu is outdated buggy and broken causing users to have to do things like manual compilation and install via snap and flatpak. this is a massive headache the user should NOT have to deal with. arch solves this by keeping packages very up to date (but still tested and not bleeding edge!).

the arch approach is by all standards the most simple and effective.

>>107252420
Unless you've got a second machine to put it on and are going in with the goal to learn how to fuck and unfuck the system... N o.

>>107259746
>(but still tested and not bleeding edge!).
lel thats what void do (or tries), arch pushes whatever appers on github, 0 fucks given, thats why its so unstable. remember when they broke everyones grub boot loader? exactly.

>>107259726
>It doesn't use pacman
Wtf are you talking about, basically entire distro is assembled from pacman packages, even internal database is populated with installed packages, their contents and installed date.

>>107259547
Actually, the things stopping us is SDKs not being enough to help run the game. If you did bother reading the build instructions you see multiple references stating to just use SteamSDK. Learn to read anon.

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-runtime?tab=readme-ov-file#installation

>>107259336
What if you need to modify Linux to support a newer piece of hardware?
Congrats, you are locked out of multiplayer, cause either your kernel (Linux) is unsigned or you may have to wait weeks, if not months, for approval.

>>107259321
You have no arguments. It's all just buzz words, lies and dumb comparisons.

>>107260035
That’s not me, 4chan means everyone is anons newfrag zoomer.

>>107259824
The SDK is for their runtime and they recommend you don't bother building your own from :
https://repo.steampowered.com/steamrt-images-soldier/snapshots/latest-container-runtime-depot/
With :
https://gitlab.steamos.cloud/steamrt/flatdeb-steam

What are you missing apart from drive?

>>107252032
There are actually not a million ways to hide something malicious in the pkgbuilds.
They are written in a clean fashion, and stuff like the upstream url of the package or the code that will be executed is very easy to see.
You would have known the above if you bothered to read even one (1) semi-popular pkgbuild

>>107260338
You just prove Steam is required you idiot. After the many post that said Proton is locked into Steam. You just backtrack to Steam Proton being closed source.

>>107259321
>Gamingonlinux is the equivalent of Charlie Kirk
>Tranny is the equivalent of That guy who got shot by an autistic as shit trannyfucker

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>>107260034
you would need to wait for valve to release a new signed kernel with support for your new thing

>>107253985
You can fork and build proton yourself desu

>>107236999
>Why would they choose to use Arch Linux as the base for steam OS?
They chose arch because arch is a decently stable community and architecture without any corporate overlord yet. If they chose someone else, they wouldn't be able to strong arm the community as well. See IBM and Fedora.

>>107260549
When you run a game with UMU, what specific component you need to use is closed source? Is this Steam in the room with us right now?

>>107260599
>>107260781
People read: >>107259824
If you’re so lazy don’t know what SDK is, that’s Software Development Kit. You know specific platform, operating system, or programming language. You literally can’t recreate it because Valve is refusing to release it.

>>107236999
Wouldn't it be the best distro to base a "just works" OS on? I love my valve-maintained arch on my handheld pc, it doesn't break and I don't have to do anything

>>107250142
you shouldn't use arch at all if you don't want rolling release breaking your shit

>>107237007
yeah, games having access to your entire home directory is kind of a bad thing, you know.

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>>107262362
It breaks: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/SteamOS/issues
1,100 reports, Valve not fixing them, number only goes up. Why lie.

>>107263092
Mine has never broken, that's what I said

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>>107263092
thats what fag gaben gets for picking up that trash of a toy OS.

>>107255110
>everything else is best installed via Apt
*secretly installs the snap version*
>Ubuntu's own DE is quite nice
What fucking year are you in? What are you talking about?

>>107262398
I just wish there were like a very stable channel that'd update things a week behind main with broken shit pulled during that time when appropriate.

It happened like twice that a bad update prevented the is from booting up during the short time I tried Manjaro / elementos ages ago.

I feel SteamOS wouldn't have that kind of fuckups and still be fairly up-to-date on stuff.

>>107236999
No you're right. They should have used Void.

>>107259585
>They are criminals, no other gaming company has ever done such thing.
what ever you do, don't look into the backgrounds of all the majors behind the linux foundation. or any major software or hardware vendor in history.

you're a fucking idiot. i mean that's all you are. i mean this doesn't even make sense to begin with
>>107253743
>There is zero thought behind it, there’s zero value for gaming when you over relying on Proton which is made by Corporate Valve.

where to even begin. this sort of imperious and nonsensical declaration might work on your mother but you're just a fucking idiot.

>>107262109
The SDK is just another container build with flatdeb-steam, containing this shit :
https://repo.steampowered.com/steamrt-images-soldier/snapshots/latest-public-stable/com.valvesoftware.SteamRuntime.Sdk-i386-soldier-sources.sources.txt

Who cares though? 99% of games are just windows games any way. Do you need any closed source components from Steam to use proton to run windows games? No.

What the fuck are you even complaining about?

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>>107262398
>you shouldn't use arch at all if you don't want a distro breaking your shit
Ftfy.

>>107265753
Why you defending a criminal like MAGAs do when calling current president of America out. You Americans have problems.

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>>107259585
lmao

>>107265820
Yes you do need closed source components which is what it’s telling you to do.

>>107263092
They'll fix it. Just watch.

>>107263092
if microsoft had one of these github would break from sheer number of reports

>>107236999
They tried a steam os based ubuntu and changed to arch based when they released 3.0 along with steam deck

>>107251064
At the end of the day, everyone is just a random nobody

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>>107266200
rent free 43

>>107236999
It's one of the more "correct" uses of Arch. That is - a system that's highly tailored for a specific purpose with no extra frills.

>>107236999
maybe because valve is literally involved with maintaining every single level of the linux graphics stack including the graphics APIs in and of themselves and wine and proton and distros that are several years behind what's actually out aren't the best option for when you need immediate patching for compat and features
rolling release is mandatory for gaming

also fyi you retards, ubuntu isn't actually stable, debian style "stability" just means ABI frozen for server admins with security fixes hackily backported, not stable and not bugfree as per what users and developers understand the definition to be (which is the only definition that actually matters for the record)

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>>107266200
why are you such a fucking idiot and insist on telling everyone about it.

i'm guessing you're a teenager and not even old enough to post here.

>>107236999
>a commerically supported distro
SteamOS, by virtue of being developed by Valve, is a commercially-supported distro.

Valve went for Arch because:
>it's lean
>it's up to date
>containers or whatever let you run .deb and .rpm installers anyway
>and most of all, it's a community distro, so Valve doesn't have to deal with IBM or Canonical

>>107253093
Vanilla Arch is still there.

>>107266475
>WAH I NEED CLOSED SOURCE COMPONENTS TO PLAY CLOSED SOURCE GAMES
Go play Extreme Tux Racer then

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>>107265500
can you name the broken packages specifically? there already is a testing branch for arch. arch is very stable its a meme that its not, i see far more complaints and support requests from mint users. other than the linux firmware packaging change (which was announced weeks before) ive never had an issue updating my arch setup.

>>107236999
Because only retarded Linuxtards think it's ok for your OS to be outdated by 2 years. Actual companies that need to get shit done need modern packages.

>>107237022
No it doesn't. Arch has one of the smallest repositories of all distros.

>>107236999
ARCH IS OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR YOU DEMENTED TRANNY FUCKWIT.
GOD DAMN IT YOU ABSOLUTE FREAKS DON'T DESERVE TO EXIST.

>>107236999
>am not trying to meme, but from a purely technical standpoint wouldn't a commerically supported distro like Ubuntu or Fedora make way more sense?
why

>>107270351
Well, he is technically right if you count the malware infested AUR, since youre obliged to use it anyway because the repos dont have as much software as apt or dnf.

>>107270453
This is so fucking annoying, because whenever a topic of repo size comes up, people count AUR, but when there's malware discovered on AUR, peoplesay it's not an official repository. You can't have it both ways.

>>107269435
Defending a child rapist, defending a corporation with criminal record and helping those two instead of stopping them. Anon you need to be better man.

>>107270673
>>107270453
Windows has more software than any of those distros and nobody copes by saying "b-but there's malware on Windows"

>>107270829
In that sense, you can make any Linux program run on any distro, in which case repo size becomes completely irrelevant.

>>107270343
>only retarded Linuxtards
Ive never seem a winkiddie caring about the age of their software/os tho.
>>107270829
Thats because the system is itself a botnet, if you get any malware with software its just a plus. gotta catch 'em all.

>>107236999
Bleeding edge thus support for newer hardware gets added faster and without having to wait for backports.

>>107236999
SteamOS 1 & 2 used to be Debian based. For gayming you want new packages. With Fedora they are to depended on Red Hat. Since they control the distro they solve Arch doing auch before they release it.

>>107271200
>Control arch
That is worded badly and if they do not let you do things like Arch then it’s not Arch.

>>107236999
/v/ideogoomers absolutely ARCHed

>>107271235
They control SteamOS which is locked down immutable Auch.

>>107236999
because they have the most flexibility with the arch repos
steamos isnt however just 'atomic arch' they pick and choose the packages they include to suit their devices. for all intents and purposes its their own distro this isnt cachy or even manjaro-tier

>>107236999
>>107271484
also they could have easily picked ubuntu-devel, fedora rawhide instead of arch but those are both with deep corpo ties/risky (canonical/IBM)


the real choice was debian sid vs arch, and the early versions of steamos were debian-stable based but getting stuck on old packages kernels doesnt work well in gaming and debian sid isnt intended to actually be a working desktop where's arch is.

>>107253093
You do though, it'll just get wiped if you update.

>>107253093
retard
the point of steamos is to be a vessel for steam's big picture mode that just works

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>>107271518
>working desktop where's arch is

>>107271418
Then it’s not arch it’s another dumb OS in the sea of LinuxOS. Just like Raspberry Pi isnt Debian. There’s no similar experience, the only difference is Valve Corporation decided to break the law and not allowing it be open source.

>>107236999
>I use Arch btw
Oh no no no no no

>>107271627
arch is very stable, on deve/rawhide/sid shit breaks all the time. for the most part for a steamos version they can just copy the new versions of everything from the arch repo + add their own packages like drivers,steam,a kde rice,proton....

>>107271674
>Arch based
>Debian based
What do you not understand about this, retard?

>>107271674
raspberry os IS debian tho just with some added raspberry specific tools\apt repos and tested kernels. im pretty sure it would work on some other arm64 devices other thean stuff like raspi-config.
>>107271674
>the only difference is Valve Corporation decided to break the law and not allowing it be open source.
its entirely legal to use arch's stuff for proprietery software. all they did is package arch packages with their proprietary program (steam). its not a general-purpose desktop its a purpose-made desktop for their specific devices.

>>107236999
/v/ideogoomers dilation status?

>>107271802
high caliber full dilation

>>107270343
>Actual companies that need to get shit done need modern packages.
lol that's not true at all

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>>107271700
>arch is very st-ACKKKK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1K5vi-q9bo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVGLjphtUmA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1wxgWU0j0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTS2KVCJ-MQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbpNuOfFQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHbk0gOb408

>>107272157
it is
i have arch kde on my laptop and it just werks had a lot less issues than running ubuntu and fedora on it before that

>>107270880
>repo size becomes completely irrelevant.
You have made it to the correct answer.

>>107252032
>not to mention that he could even have modified the fucking source code
How do you propose he'll do that? The majority PKGBUILDs just get their source straight from the project git repo. There's no source code uploaded by the packager.
How are you imagining this stuff works?

>>107252420
I will try and this for you properly rather than the meme answers you are getting.
I really depends on your capabilities and your hardware.
>Are you bad with computers?
If so, you might find Windows -> Arch a bit of a leap too much, and getting some Linux experience elsewhere would help, but if not, you might be fine depending on:
>Are you happy with the "standard" install?
If you're happy with a "typical" Arch install, meaning ext4, a DE like Gnome, KDE, XFCE, something like that, and don't need to do full disk encryption or any interesting boot setups, that will make the process a lot easier, and remove any requirement for understanding how moving parts work together. You can just follow a guide.
The more you choose to deviate from this the more interactions you will encounter that require more knowledge to overcome. Not a lot of knowledge, but just all together it might pile up to be enough to discourage you from your install if you try and add every bell and whistle first time.
>Do you have a difficult GPU configuration?
If you have an Optimus laptop, or certain older NVIDIA cards, you might run into some issues getting the most out of them, but you will still be able to get your system up. These are solvable problems, but they might complicate a first install.
All in all, if you are a reasonable intelligent person, who can follow instruction, is happy with a plain install the first time round, and doesn't have certain NVIDIA card combinations, I think you should give Arch a try.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide

>>107236999
Cause arch is the best thing we got now

>>107270205
It was years ago, arch defense force bro.

>>107236999
Arch is vanila as it gets, it's just Linux+Systemd with an unopinionated package manager on top.

>>107236999
I know that for certain posters here this is pore ropium, and I'm glad

>>107236999
>Why would they choose to use Arch Linux as the base for steam OS?

Best support for the most stable API on linux, Win32

>>107273311
Na because it’s open source license and they adding awful perpetual software that locks your Linux experience and gaming. Just like Apple.

>Arch is currently phasing gtk2 out
Whoa, so much for bleeding edge, another L for arch fags.

>>107237246
>the reason they went away form it is that Ubuntu wanted to kill 32bit libraries way back
Considering the majority of MacOS software Steam sold was exclusively 32bit and then stopped working the day Apple had warned everyone it eventually would, this is funny

>>107236999
rolling release would be my guess.

ubuntu or fedora would risk bricking every 6 months. and before u autists mention Rhino, fuck you.

>>107251512

/bloat/i;boards:g

>>107245462
you couldnt be more incorrect in your conclusion. shifting freezepoints makes isolating and rolling back breakages easy as fuck. glhf rolling back breakages from a fixed point release distribution. rolling releases with frozen packages are the best of both worlds. you can stagger rolling packages forward.
>>107250142
read above

>>107267364
>https://github.com/ValveSoftware/SteamOS/issues
>>107263092
I have submitted 100 reports to Cisco in reference to IETF protocol problems. If microshit had reporting system like github it would be 10,000 added every month. The report queue would have some highly detailed justifications for their problems like i have submitted before and then some from more programming oriented users.

>>107263299
YOU CHEATING BITCH, WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT OTHER MEN

>>107273336
The garden walls are being constructed in front of us. If we ever see a true port of GoldSrc and Source's related tools to Linux then I know Gabe is serious.

>>107267336
2 more weeks

ok so like non-ragebait comment. there's no way a steam machine is actually worth it at all, correct? i'm not missing anything? it's just a bad value product? many such cases.

>>107273743
It's quite literally just a PC with linux that you plug into a monitor, that's it, main point is to sell you on the steam ecosystem without windows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ykpbMs0OAg

>>107273743
horrible value. the controllers and headset look cool but they are open source so u dont need their cube. ffs u could buy a beelink and install steam os on it and have better performance for cheaper.

>>107274127
>ffs u could buy a beelink and install steam os on it and have better performance for cheaper.
What beelink has a 7400f equivalent CPU and RX 7400 equivalent GPU?

>>107274187
their GT line ones

>>107270343
>he doesn’t know about Debian stable

>>107270770
Suck it up buttercup, Valve made Linux gaming better and more people are coming to Linux because of it. Stay mad.

>>107270343
Go lookup the modernization efforts in the banking industry. Hell even the military STILL uses old as fuck software. Modern packages mean shit if they can’t get the job done reliably.

>>107274704
Locking into Steam ecosystem is bad anon. Everyone is losing trust those in the United States because you people are not killing corrupt politicians and billionaires. Once everyone had enough of you people, Steam with other companies will be exclusive to United States, all because people like you are bitches who only cares about money and their overlords.

>>107273496
LTS releases are thoroughly tested. It's very unlikely for them to randomly break after an update.

>>107253971
>Retard. Before Proton was a thing, trying to get games running with Wine was pure hell, even if you used something like PlayOnLinux.
t. someone who has never used Wine.

>>107273743
it's basically turning linux boxes into mac or win-boxes. the hardware set and operating system are officially supported by valve, a for profit corporation like microsoft or apple. the specs target valve's customer base based on customer hardware surveys. it's up to you whether or not you think that's worthwhile.

>>107275378
>Everyone is losing trust those in the United States
lmao not tech consumers, USA has the highest growth in history meanwhile people are ditching 3rd party gay xiaomi phones at record paces

>>107236999
No IBM/Bri'ish/G*rman retardation.

>>107275378
better not use microsoft or apple products. or oracle products either. or google chrome. or edge. or firefox. or anything from the linux foundation actually (like linux), which is based in the us and backed by major american corporations like microsoft and oracle.

>>107275378
>losing trust those in the United States
Most people would rather buy a F35 over any chink or russian aircraft. The europeans barely have anything comparable to the the Russians so they have to buy american made weapons/armor/aircraft.

Cry about it faggot.

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Passthrough needs to be color Monochrome passthrough is a downgrade.
Why it matters
1. AR and MR apps require full color
2. Productivity in mixed environments depends on color
3. Better room awareness and safety
4. Competing headsets already have full color passthrough
What would fix it
1. Color passthrough front module
2. High resolution RGB cameras
Optional Lighthouse support Inside out tracking is convenient, but Lighthouse is still the most precise system.
Use cases that benefit
1. Rhythm games
2. Sim rigs
3. VR art and modeling
4. Motion capture
5. High precision workflows
What would fix it
1. Lighthouse tracking module
2. Lighthouse compatible controllers
3. Hybrid tracking dongle
Modularity Possible modules users would buy
1. Color passthrough module
2. High end MR camera module
3. Depth sensor module
4. Lighthouse module
5. Improved optics module
6. Advanced hand tracking sensors
Wireless PCVR Requests
1. Keep PCVR open and moddable
2. Allow high bandwidth modes
3. Keep latency competitive with AirLink
4. Maintain full PCVR support

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>>107275930
We literally have 5G in Europe, Mexico and India have 5G in tourism lands, you people still cling to LTE. The 3rd world country is you, always have been.

>>107276516
you have 5g thanks to elon, an american

sit down and be thankful

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>>107276526
Elon’s Starlink is a meme just like Steam Machine. Offers nothing and it’s junk. No one actually uses it, you Americans fell for his lies.

>>107236999
It's more up to date than debian and less bloated than ubuntu

>>107255110
I don't care, I just programs.GAYSEX.enable = true

>>107276516
>my benis is bigr than ur benisss :DDD
8/8 bait made me reply

>>107273743
what even is "value" in 2025? memory prices alone might justify its value.

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>>107276516
>>107276809
inb4