High end LCD will ALWAYS beat a crtfag display.
>what is OLED
>>107237345Oled sucks for 7th generation gaming. This is my 7th generation room. No OLED tv is made at a resolution of 720 to 1080p, there all 4k or 8k, and because of that running games that were made at 480, or 720p will look like absolute SHIT even with upscaling, thats why I chose a 1080p LCD high end bravia tv, because its the perfect middleground for playing 480p and 720p media(Orginial Xbox games look extremely good for being upscaled, even beating the wii in my opinion which also has the same resolution). Whil still supporting 1080p
>>107237426>Oled sucks for 7th generation gaming.For 7th gen you get a 1080p, (actually) 60Hz Plasma.
>>107237501plasma has aged REALLY bad. I had a high samsung one and it already has burn in.. Its not good.
>>107237517Get one with little or no burn-in. Also do black level restore, only need an Arduino and 15 minutes.
>>107237635I got my plasma day one. Its mixed most of the time, its a samsung one. But plasma is really a mixed bag imo.
>>107237692Late 00's Panasonic is go-to for 1080p/60Hz plasma, if you want top of the line.
>>107237426>080p LCD high end bravia tvwhich model should I pay attention to?
>>107237761>Late 00's Panasonic is go-to for 1080p/60Hz plasma, if you want top of the line.NTA but that's what I have, I only wish I got the one year later model since that one uses less power and runs without cooling fans (the noise is annoying).makes me wonder if you can install noctua fans in these. wouldn't even be the dumbest fan mod I've done.
LCD has bad motion clarity.SED/FED would have been great. Maybe some day they will try again.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conduction_electron-emitter_displayhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-emission_display
>>107237635baby duck
>>107237977This is fine because you NEVER noticed this until you were directly told and even under a scope its hard to see because your brain fills in the picture. Its literally impossible to notice unless you are up extremely close all the way looking point blank with a magnifying glass. Its why you never knew such a thing was a problem until you researched it and even those videos had to use enchament effects just so you could see it.
>>107238018tell me you've never seen a crt in real life without telling me
>>107238070notice how you didn't disagree with me making the assumption that you never noticed that LCDS motion clarity was worse without being directly told.Yes I have a top of the lien Power mac G4 CRT monitor, and a shit ton more in storage and can tell you that most LCD monitors you can find a microcenter look better.
>>107238018>impossible to noticewhat?the moment you look or move around in a 3d game on a lcd screen, your vision gets its head kicked in. even 2d games like red alert where you scroll around the map is atrocious, maybe even more so.this is the benchmark for me, can you read the number? https://www.testufo.com/photo#pps=2400on a 60hz lcd this is impossible, while on a 60hz crt it's easily done. 180hz lcd gets a bit better. maybe 480hz makes it possible, i don't know.
>>107238116I can literally read the numbers just fine. the only reason I cant go higher is because its hard to read moving objects.but also did you have these opinions BEFORE you watched someone else explain this to you? Because I can bet everything that you did not.
>>107238113not the same person, but i doubt there's anyone on earth you can't tell, it's painfully obvious. people only put up with it to get the other benefits of lcd's (thinner, lighter, larger screen, etc). but motion clarity? fuck no, they took over in offices and laptops for other reasons and eventually people just didn't have the option of a crt anymore
>>107238204>its hard to read moving objects.yes... on lcd's... that's the point.
>>107238210Well even if it did have perfect motion clarity reading text at that speed would still be hard if you were not actively looking.I don't think there is THAT many examples where its a issue and again for stuff that is not text your brain fills in the gaps.
>>107238234I never really notice its a problem with LCD because your brain fills in the gaps of it.
>>107238234your brain can't un-blur motion blur caused by sample and hold. i'm not sure you even understand what we're talking about, hence i stated i'm not sure you've seen something scrolling or moving on a crt screen
>>107238245I mean besides playing games I don't really actively look at motion blur tests online.
>>107237995What? Plasma is great for 7th gen.
>>107237959>makes me wonder if you can install noctua fans in these. wouldn't even be the dumbest fan mod I've done.You totally can. I did on mine but I don't have pics, this is just when I was cleaning it.
>>107238300You have balls of steel opening a tv or monitor open Ive always been scared to do that because of how fragile screens or are my horriable luck
>>107238018No actually it's very noticable if you've ever seen smooth scrolling on a CRT and then on an LCD.
>>107238276if you mainly look at static images, then it won't matter for you. like office machines. i'm not going as far as saying to get a crt so your mouse cursor doesn't blur if you follow it
>>107238204180hz no way.do you even know what number i'm talking about?Q-52 on the red 'buoy'.>>107238362sure, and that was the main selling point for lcds. perfect for office work. but for interactive content crt's are still the best there are. fighter pilot simulators still mostly use crt projectors because crt is fast enough to mimic the real world the closest.
>>107238116>even 2d games like red alert where you scroll around the map is atrocious, maybe even more so.full screen 2d scrolling is ass on an lcd. in other games like racing games maybe you won't care if things blur as they go past, modern games might even add more blur to it themselves, but if you're scrolling and need to actually see what's around at the same time, it's ass
>>107238313Op here, I play games not test all day but sure lets play into your fantasy.I one of the type of people to like motion blur to a extent. I find that most games under CRT have this unrealistic HYPER eagle hawk eyed view in motion that just does not look realistic at all even with motion blur. Most Hollywood film crews don't get high clarity cameras because of this very reason. And in a multiplayer game it really does not matter because the core content is still in its position on the screen just blurred, and your brain recognizes the image in the same time, but the time it takes to PROCESS that information and REALLY look at it the image would have it completely on the offside of the screen by then if it was sitll in motion CRT or not.>>107238395I did not notice that even with it slowed down to the lowest option. Im not European so like their architecture is foreign to me I did not reconize it.You said the 2400 test right? I can see it just fine at that. At 2800 its kinda harder and I can only read "q32" which is wrong. going just a bit faster at 2850 I can only read the Q.But like if the best example you got is that crts better because you can read a small moving piece of text at extremely high speeds and this negates all the obvious downsides than like Im going to have to disagree with you there. I don't use CRTS at all in my house anymore though even if I did because I have 2 dogs and I don't want there ears to hurt
>>107238309You're not really interacting with the screen itself with those Panasonics, just don't play with the ribbon cables.
>>107238504Can you tell me why? Now you got me intrested. Thats really cool you can do that with Screens.
>>107237501>>107237517>>107237635>>107237692>PlasmaWhat happened to this tech? Was Ionized Gas too dangerous?
>>107238515The actual plasma screen is on the other side between the glass front and the aluminum back you see in that picture.
>>107238553Replaced by OLED. Similar but less downsides.
I got a mini LED monitor currently and weridly enough they say they can have true blacks but out of the box the monitor can not produce true black colors. Once you enable HDR though in most games(Or in red dead 2 you have to enable steams HDR mode in steamos and then disable HDR in red dead 2) than my monitor can display true blacks. It looks a bit off but also looks ALOT better.
>>107238493the main selling point for crt is motion clarity. which means there is zero difference between having an object on your screen static, or when it starts moving. exacty how it is in real life.with lcd/oled there is always a 'switch' between the object being static and it moving. but you're right, most people don't care. just like most people are content with their $20 earbuds.i'm just saying there are people out there that do care. and having an interactive world (game) be visually far closer to reality, is worth getting a crt for. the beeping? maybe if you have old tv's. most crt monitors never had that whine.
>>107238300Motherfucking nice. Sadly I can't find any online literature for this, but the service manuals do say they use 80x80x25 fans, though with some lolrandom industry connector I don't recognize. Maybe I'll do this one day. I'd need to do crap like measure proper voltages the fans run at and shit like that.>>107238309>because of how fragile screens or are my horriable luckPanasonic plasmas have super thick glass panels in them and weigh 20-30kg. They are anything but fragile.I'd be more worried about accidentally touching the HV transformer. Did that once accidentally, not fun.
>>107238615K, im sorry for being smug and arrogant before I thought crt people generally thought the image quailty was 100% better always. I didn't understand that part. I still think getting a LCD for my 6-7-semi8th generation gaming room was the right move but for pro gaming I might pick up a CRT
>>107238574>Similar but less downsides.Exact same downsides: image retention.
>>107238738Power usage, size/thickness, manufacture cost, etc. As I said, they also have similar downsides, like burn-in and image retention.
>>107237426Only an issue at 1080p kekw
>>107238993>kekwnigga. a 480p image is NOT going to scale to a 4k oled you retard
>>107237426you know you could just get a big oled screen and run games in a window the window would be bigger than your crappy LCD and look 100x better due to oleds comically superior display characteristics
what are you kids gonna do in 15-20yrs when your eyesight goes? an hero?
>>107239073its a xbox 360 and wii there is no WINDOW mode. and even still a older lcd would still offer a bigger screen than a streatched down OLED monitor with more pixels at the same size
>>107237314
>>107239408>not emulatinglul whatever enjoy your subpar graphics
>>107239491>sony triniton vs shitty office monkey dell
>>107239537your a fucking retard or nigger but emulation SUCKS for most consoles. Even dolphin on a rx 9060xt and a rtx equivalent still has the occasional stutter and lag, For Xbox emulation its even worse with EXTREME stutters and audio fuck ups and you know this. For PS3 its so bad that not even a simple 2d sprite game like plants vs zombies can run correctly
>>107239491the dell is angled to look worse
>>107239045anything's possible.
>>107239809nigga you think they use the same computationally expensive upscaling algorhythm you see in a playstation in a tv that is basically a underpowered phone
>>107239676skill issue tbqh
>>107240149lmao i bet your shitty emulator also has stuttering and audio issues that my console does not have, your just to poor to get one.
>>107240191yeah that's it I'll buy your dorito-cum stained hardware on eBay now lolsmileyface
>>107240092Holy ESL
>>107240230nigga, it runs better than your stuttering emulator that does not even have working audio support.
>>107240329>never heard of Xenia managerlmao @ you're life
>>107237314motion blur baka
>>107240344again, if you think XENIA even on a 5090 and latest threadripper will run at the same speed of a baseline console and not have audio stutters and fuckups, graphical issues, xbox live support and achievements, extreme slowdowns and also hiccups because of shader compilation you are either retarded or ... well actually just retarded
>>107238018Absolute bullshit, I have a 240Hz AOC panel to compare to my 2003 ImageQuest and the difference is night and day. I took photos at 60 and 80Hz with matched shutter speeds and it beats the IPS panel every time. CRTs simply have perfect clarity due to a lack of sample and hold and no input lag to speak of that makes playing games at sub-60 FPS actually fine like it once was.
>>107240405there's people running some games on steam deck. skill issue
>>107240450again they cant run anything besides the menus. and even that will have horrible audio issues.
>>107239079it already is. I have a 1440p monitor and I typically zoom into 110% or sometimes 150%
>>107238553Plasma generated a lot of emi, think it was banned in europe because of that. Also got really hot and used a lot of power untill the newer ones improved.
>>107242343That's not your eyesight. 2560x1440p is terrible
>>107241320lul you can find endless vids of it working perfectly on yt. not buying your crusty used console shite m8
>>107239676>muh emulation sucksSkill issue.
>>107237635
>>107238553too power hungry for the performanceI still have one and it helps to heat my room in the winter
>>107237345>what is MiniLED
>>107246994Useless on anything under 55 inches and 4k, not enough zones.
>>107247135your mother has not enough zones.
>>107237345burns u in
>>107247236Yup, that's the only major downside compared to any other display tech.
>>107246994OLED has more going for it than just perfect black, like near instant pixel repone
>>107247278OLED is obsolete technologyMiniLED and MicroLED are the future
>>107247451No need for MiniLED if MicroLED actually becomes viable for the same use current LCD and OLED panels provide. But that's years away, if not decades still.Until then OLED is the best we have, aka quite little not obsolete, yet.
>>107238645>Did that once accidentally, not fun.Kek, me too, brother. Learned REAL fast.>burning chest actually made me think I was gonna die for a moment
>>107237426Other than panel peak brightness time for meme HDR, oled is literally built for gaming.
>>107247736>>107244182lul you can find endless vids of it working perfectly on yt. not buying your crusty used console shite m8you are a acutual fucking retard but just to show you what im talking abouthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyEPIzvKUzk>less than 100 fps on a rtx 4090 with audio stuttering and shader compilations hiccups>>107247736if you think 480p is going to upscale to 4k right then you are retarded.
>miniLED is very underwhelming even with non-joke amounts of dimming zones, looks either like early prototype not quite there tech or gimmicky to me, depending on how you look at it>OLED apparently has inherent flicker and/or eye strain on top of actively self-destructing at the pixel level>(DC-dimmed) IPS is good for web-browsing purposes but that's about it>QDEL will doubtless have some intrisic flaw that will prevent it from being good (I'm actually pretending to doom there, surely it'll be good, h-haha)you'd think human beings would be capable of solving a technology as straightforward in what is being asked as displays
>>107247736>too dim to have usable low persistence at reasonable frame ratesOLEDs are built for watching 24 FPS movies with motion blur baked in and literally nothing else.
>>107248577>>107248498when you get old enough you will realize none of this fucking matters.
>>107248498human vision is the most complex sense, so it's not really surprising to me we haven't mastered ithere's the rage bait part:>unlike audio
>>107248498keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkk @ everyone who fell for the OLED and HDR meme
>>107237314sony bravia is aryan
>>107237426You retards seriously going to start insisting HD console titles should only be played on LCDs now the same as the CRT boomers and their subpixel and strobe delusions?
>>107250538HD is a LCD thing.UHD is a OLED thing. The most peak way to play a 1080p piece of content and ESPECIALLY 720p and 480p is with a HD lcd TV, the upscaling will make it look like DIRT on a 4k OLED ESPECIALLY in motion. for 480p content(Og xbox) it will look even worse. Its the perfect middle ground where you can have HD quality while still 480p games look good
>>107237314And my high end plasma will always beat your high end LCD.
>>107250538>same as the CRT boomershey kid; don't drag me into this. i've only played a 7th gen console on a crt television
Holy fuck who cares
>>107250961nigga a 7th gen fully loaded and modded Xbox 360 that can play 360 and og xbox, a modded out wii and wii u that also supports gamecube is fucking cool. And I got one of the BEST sony bravia tvs to go with it.
>>107248498>>OLED apparently has inherent flicker and/or eye strain on top of actively self-destructing at the pixel levelthat's a retarded meme that comes from cheap phone OLED screens, any brand name OLED TV/monitor won't flicker at refresh rate but thousands of times a second
>>107245153nice
>>107248498After 20 years of flat panel alternatives>We still don't know what signal processing we should use>We still don't know what display matrices we should use>We still don't know what to replace sample-and-hold with>We still don't know what material to use to achieve perfect blacks >We still don't know how to fix most LCD artifacts>We still don't know what color space we should use And the funniest one>We still haven't figured out what's the best way to display an image
once a 4k 500hz oled comes out it'll take decades for any other monitor tech to catch up
>>107252414can anyone with a oled monitor comfirm this. my Samsung galaxy s6 has a oled screen and I never see it, so like does it even happen?
>>107252414They are talking about that thousand times a second flicker.99% of people dont notice it.It would be better for games if they flickered at the refresh rate like plasmas btwit would make motion way betterA flickering OLED at 120hz would beat the 360hz meme panels in smoothness
>>107255006huh I didn't know that?
>>107249392No, really isn't. It is quite limited and it gets worse as you get older. Most displays work on inherent limitations of your poor visual cortex.
>>107248498It always has been trade-offs that work on the limitations of your visual cortex. You just have pick your poison for your use case.
>>107252697Because they are in the end, trade-offs. You simply pick the best "poison" for your use case.
>>107238553Never had a plasma TV? The burn-in is atrocious
>>107252697Sample-and-hold might be okay if it was fast enough, but it's too slow.
>>107255006>>107255556If you have an oled smartphone you can see the "flicker" by holding your eyes still and waving the phone in your field of view. Should leave a strobe pattern on your vision. Doesn't bother me unless it's nighttime and I have the brightness way down low then it's slightly annoying.
>>107237314anon that TV wasn't even high end in 2006 when it came out
>>107255614My mom's husband left it on when he fell asleep watching Freddy Got Fingered and the DVD menu for that movie was burnt into the screen for the rest of the time he owned it
>>107256324Sony bravia are considered high end you retard. and it was made in 2009.Why are display enuthsaists so retarded sometimes.
>>107237314>High end LCDHmhmh, I see. Is it picrel? If yes, please tell its model name & more about it.
>>107238553typical 50" plasma weighed 30kg and succed 240w
>>107256455I don't remember the exact model but Bravia is considered Sonys most high end tvs,Its 1080p and has up-scaling support. No streaming services or menu goyslop, it just goes straight to the hdmi/composite.
I've been on 1080p IPS forever and will probably never leave it for gaming. It just werks.The contrast and backlight bleed yea it isn't as deep and dark as OLED, but its a slight tradeoff for reliability and longevity. IPS these days dont have that bad of backlight bleed. I mean its slightly noticeable the grey but its not a deal breaker.My IPS monitor from pixio I bought for $40 at a garage sale, been using it for almost 3.5 years now and it will probaby last 8 more years at least.It has 144hz, freesync, 110% SRGB so great colors on par with OLED. I think the colors and saturation on this monitor look better than my OLED pixel phone screen.
>>107255006Smartphone OLED panels all use PWM to dim the backlight. Nearly all TV and most computer OLED panels use DC dimming. There's a slight dip in measured brightness that's unrelated to pwm and is not known to cause issues in those who suffer from flicker. In terms of motion clarity, oled panels have vastly more potential because they are so fast.
>>107237426>upscalingjust run it at a higher resolution faggot
>>107255006>It would be better for games if they flickered at the refresh rate like plasmas btwYou can do that, but it would rape your eyes. OLED response time is way faster than CRT or plasma.
>>107237314Not if the game's art was created ON a CRT.
>>107252414>>107255006>>107257533>>107258671my C4 flickers slightly at refresh rate but I don't think your eyes would even be able to perceive that
>>107237814For me it's the Philips 42PFL7606H. Why? No fucking reason, it's the first LCD TV we ever got so it's what I have, it just werks, it happens to do passive shutter 3D which is a cool gimmick that no longer exists, at all in any form sadly.Actually might be the single best edge lit IPS LCD TV I've ever seen, probably because that was high end back then and the tech has been relegated to cheap shit now so it all sucks ass.>>107237501>active shutter 3DNo thank you... I lost all the fucking 3D glasses and broke my PS3 and the 360 has halfassed support... FUCK.
>>107259979>No thank you... I lost all the fucking 3D glasses and broke my PS3 and the 360 has halfassed support... FUCK.What has active shutter 3D to do with using a plasma for 7th gen?
>>107238553Utter power hog. Normies at large did not care for its benefits over LCD over its downsides.
>>107252414The OLED self destruction is at a far higher rate on big pixel panels like on TVs and monitors vs. smartphones. All TVs these days use the same off-the-shell panels from the same manufacturer, AUOptronics, only the driving circuitry is then designed by Panasonic, Sony, LG etc. Modern 3rd gen TDAF OLEDs used in TVs and monitors have LT50 of 50000-70000 hours at 300cd/m2 (limited by the blue diode). Plasma panels' phosphors had LT50 of 120000 hours at max luminance of 500cd/m2.
>>107247451>MicroLED2moreweeks?
>>107247707Probably not that deadly. High frequencies run over skin and fuck off.I once rested my left hand on a grounded cabinet and stuck a screwdriver held in my right hand on L3 screw terminal. The screwdriver had a wood handle and some metal on the handle which I happened to touch as well.Very strange sensation 230VAC 50Hz. Somehow, I live. Also I can say I stole electricity in the dumbest way possible, because my meter was after this terminal.
>>107260020Samsung and LG both manufacture their own panels. They are literally the only ones doing panels.
>>107260012Most of the big 7th gen games support 3DTV. It's kinda cool. Especially on PS3 that spawned 2 franchises worth of Sony Bravia advertisements.Plasma of course has the dogshit version of 3D that causes headaches (and when it does not it just sucks ass)But yes outside of that, plasma's better but so is an HD CRT at that point.
I will just keep using CRT1440p is still good enough to fully utilize my 3070 superid rather buy the valve Deckard
>>107260383nosebleed on that vertical collapse shit you awful tranny
>>107260592saar if you dont consume you are tranny saar
>>107258595And what do you think happens to the textures when you run the game at a higher resolution? You think they just magically increase to the size? Playing 480p or 720p games at 4k or 1440p shows OBVIOUS texture streatching and creates a image that looks worse than the original resolution
>>107260621>22 inches
>>107260060if that happens again and you feel fine just note that should see a doctor immediatly because you could be having a delayed cardiac arrest
