The more I study/learn about this field the more I question whether or not its all just fucking theater.
>>107244030>learn2code>learn2trades>learn2opsechow much more obvious can it get. youre paid to be the scapegoat when shtf
>>107244030what do you mean? cryptography isn't a joke. saying don't go around telling everyone everything about yourself isn't a joke. what do you mean by 'it'?
It’s a meme field of expertise but it pays the bills
>>107244088can you explain?someone who's spent a disgusting amount of time learning about firewall technology from multiple vendors is paid to use that knowledge. i don't understand how that's a 'meme'.
>>107244076IDK I did cyber sec for the army and after having my shop OC tell me I can't bring my gaming keyboard to work because it would be a "security risk" after we've been successfully hacked by chinese atleast 5 times this year just makes me roll my eyes.
>>107244105well i mean yeah, makes sense.they've had their ass blasted and now they're extra paranoid and controlling as a result. that's how security should be.
>>107244100Its a meme because you can never be 100% secure. So you just play the part and get paid. At the end of the day, none of it matters.
>>107244139trvthnova, I know how to ensure 100% security but you wouldn't like the answer and neither would the government
>>107244131>well i mean yeah, makes sense.How???By that logic none of the keyboard we use in our shop are compliant since they were all manufactured in China.
>>107244105Brother, I'm in the same boat. I make my recommendations, and the Commander takes the risk. He does't give a single fuck. Nobody cares until its too late. I just hope these band-aids last until I'm gone.
>>107244150maybe they're huge hypocrites, idk about that, but what is a sufficient amount of security to you?
>>107244030lurk moar>>107137553
>>107244105Nothing important gets hacked "5 times this year" the whole building would be shut down for review indefinitely if it did
>>107244167Its a bit more than hypocritical, its like cult behavior- it makes no logical sense and 100% OPSEC can not be effectively implemented anyways like that other anon said without pissing a lot of people.We tried getting all the officers in our Battallion field even to stop sharing the Starlink's network password to everyone and they just ignored us and did it any way. Also threw a huge shit fit when we wanted them to turn off all cellular devices while inside the TOC. It just doesn't work.
>>107244184Its not a "building" its the entire Pacific theater.
>>107244185just sounds like your orgs, or the army, or w.e doesn't have it's shit together, which is kind of scary.
>>107244190Are you implying the civlian side is any better? Because thats hilarious all cybersec is like this
>>107244194no. i just expected that the army would be better.
>>107244201when it comes to cybersec, no sorry
>>107244201Cybersecurity through obscurity is a meme only to civilians who are gaslighted into believing that army has top notch state of the art technology.I mean, it does, it has technology of court which can lock you up in jail for even trying to fuck around with their communications.
>hey SPC, why do you have that keyboard on your workstation?>oh, I just really like it and thought I could bring it to work>what country was it made in?>uhhh, China I think>Remove it please and don't bring it back in our shop. Its a security risk.>*looks over at all the Dell keyboards made in fucking China everyone is using*
>>107244030You will come to learn that at least 90% of people in cybersecurity are total fucking tools who don't understand anything.
>>107244216i don't think that has anything to do with what's being describedthey can't get control of their personnel, and the tail is kind of wagging the dog, which is really bad.
>>107244234Its kind of hard to enforce standards for OPSEC if your bosses who make 10x more than you choose not to follow it because its inconvient, yeah.
>>107244234No he's right, a lot of it is just unfounded paranoia.
>>107244076Cryptography is pretty simple. I get that not everyone as is smart as I am, though, so not everyone will get it right away
>>107244234>What is dishonorable discharge.You were probably born yesterday, but this system pretends to work on assumption that people fear punishment.I mean, that's why murderers are jailed for so long, because it totally prevents murders from happening, when I personally unironically had murderous thoughts with the fact in mind that I could NEET in jail for a long time just for killing some filth.
>>107244241i don't think said anything about anything being unfounded paranoia ???i swear you guys are misinterpreting each other but feel like you're agreeing.
>>107244250what does any of that have to do with disobedient soldiers sharing wifi passwords, or using keyboards from china. does this topic just attract crazy people? the fuck are you on about
>>107244241>>107244260>unfounded
>>107244271I see you've never been in military.
>>107244279did they slip you a little too much lsd during your time there? because that's how you come across.
>>107244283
>>107244272That was a device specifically made for espionage probably used by a spy, why would you think some random low ranking private with a gamer keyboard would even have that
>>107244187Bullshit. Chink demoralization or Palantir-tier fearmongering as "muh China". Keep talking, so I can make my determination.
>>107244292Because spies usually are random low ranking privates.
>>107244295I don't really care what you think, Ive gotten threads of emails alerting my entire Division of these hacks and yes, China is kicking our ass
>>107244298yeah, because Amazon has been known to sell sophisticated spying technology to randoms this is why cyber is a such a joke in this country
>>107244300>hacksmeanwhile it's just automated python scripts trying to break in via unpatched exploits such as xz-utils in 2025
>>107244305I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but that actually has happened. should i be bothered pulling up an article on it?
>>107244310When??????One time back in like 2008 or something
>>107244030your main job would be emotional support for business people when they clicked on an add on the internet
>>107244312nah i think it was during covid. they were buying/using compromised keypass scanners or some shit. i'll try find it for you
>>107244317Sounds like fake news.This literally never happens
>>107244300You're definitely right. We need Palantir state surveillance to save us from the Chinese hacks.
>>107244327We've had that since the creation of the NSA you canned fruit.
>>107244321krebs on security wrote an article on it. idk if you consider him fake news or not. it might take a while for me to find it.
>>107244152Yeah, the saying may be "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" but the military doesn't give a fuck what money they spend. They just operate between disasters with nothing being learned because leadership changes out every two or three years.
>>107244342and how would the bad guys reclaim the data from these compromised keypass scanners, anon?
>>107244333It has not been centralized to the same degree. Database merging to preserve the 4th has always been integrated. Otherwise, why would PRISM be a scandal and Palantir funding ever be control, you fuckin dolt.It's the same tactic used when PRISM was exposed, "We've already had it" after saying "nuh uh" for years.
>>107244353>controlcontroversial.The need for massive factory level data centers saves it for this specific purpose.
>>107244310This is quite literally never happened No, some random private in the army isnt at risk of unknowingly buying spyware off Amazon and having a data leak
>>107244352https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/05/when-your-smart-id-card-reader-comes-with-malware/here you go my niggaapparently it was government employees, and not military.but as you can see, it's an attack vector that exists and has been exploited.feel free to read the article and tell me if i'm an idiot for some reason.
>>107244378Say that during WW3, the missiles will start diverting their course into your own platoons and soon after, your own SAM sites will stop responding even to manual override.
>>107244402Look up what NIPR/SIPR net are, then report back and try to argue that little man.
I've been in the industry for a decade. Obviously cybersecurity itself is important, but the entire industry around it is all basically snakeoil.
>>107244406Look up the radius of one modern SAM.
>>107244400From what I read, your article literally has nothing to do with anything I even postulated.Aside from the drivers harboring some outdated and harmless malware, there was nothing about the card readers that compromised the network or its data.
>>107244413I dont have to, because your point is moot entirely and can't literally happen lol
>>107244423>can't literally happenOkay Rakesh, you got me. You're right, it literally cannot happen. Just like memory bugs in Rust.
>>107244400also you didnt answer my question but some other anon basically said it for me.Without direct access to NIPR/SIPR network how are they going to reclaim that data?
>>107244437
>>107244439dunno honestly. first time i've seen those terms.>>107244420it DID harbor malware though, the malware's purpose was to steal information, and the device WAS some random bullshit on amazon.
>>107244456Basically its a closed off network mostly used by the military so it would be quite literally impossible for any data to be syphoned off by bad actors from this hypothetical spying gamer keyboard purchased from Amazon. Not unless something deeply and catastrophically has gone wrong.
>>107244030Cybersecurity is a legitimate concern but many companies internal implementation of it is a joke. Security should be the devs job and pretty much only he can do it. The rest of it is basically just telling people to not click on phishing emails.
>>107244105Imagine working in opsec and not knowing how insecure keyboards are. No wonder we've been hacked 5 times
>>107244464Yea, that's why Edward Snowden didn't do anything.
>>107244030not at all, it's a sophisticated system for the nsa to insert backdoors into literally everythingwhose 'security' did you think it was about?
>>107244479Then lets get rid of all keyboards, then since literally all of them are made in China.Lets get rid of our routers as well, since those come from China too, fucking asshole.
>>107244464maybe this is a bit of a stretch, but apparently stuxnet was effective at first. it's goal wasn't to steal information, it was to make its way into an isolated network and fuck their machinery up.is it unlikely that theres some random bullshit on random amazon gamer keyboard that wasn't advertised as anything suspicious like 'government employee gamer keyboard', yeah i have to give you that. but at the same time you don't want people plugging random, flashy bullshit into a military network.
>>107244489This would solve 100% of security problems, yes.
>>107244481Edward Snowden literally walking out of an NSA building with a physical drive holding data and a private using a completely harmless gaming keyboard on a secure network are too different things, boy.
>>107244498How do you know that the physical drive didn't contain information that he wouldn't have without chinese malware?Glow brighter.
>>107244187US bases all over "the entire Pacific theater" have chinks outside the gate snapping photos of aircraft and ships and other equipment, none of that is important, if they somehow hacked something that matters, heads would roll and the unit would be thoroughly investigated before operations resumed with completely different leadership
>>107244496>meanwhile Isreal openly brags about the spyware they install in Intel devices but sure China is the bad guy
>>107244498download stuff to keyboard. walk out with keyboard.i said it in a short and funny way, but i'm not joking.
>>107244509When I said the entire pacific theater, im talking about a network of servers and databases providing communication to hundreds of different units, not some random single IT building kek
>>107244511I never said anything about bad or good, /pol/tard, but sure, since you asked:>USAcringe>Palestinekick a muslim baby into trashcan>Ukrainesome slav tried to talk to me on the street and didn't understand English, I assumed he's russian and said pashol nahui cyka. At home, I thought about it, and realized he was Ukrainian.>IsraelBASED>China BASED
>>107244515>download stuff to keyboardYou have no idea how access on a military network works do you? You can't even download fucking Firefox without Headquarter's S6 giving your device the authorization.
>>107244489Kek from your response I can tell you literally don't have a single clue on why keyboards are insecureI hope you weren't about to bring a metal case, HE keyboard into a secure government facility lol
>>107244533ok let me fix>download data that you are authorized to download, except to keyboard
>>107244545Im not denying anything about keyboards being insecure, im talking how pants on head retarded it is to single out one keyboard as a "security risk" because it was made in China, when literally 99% of our tech was made in China.
>>107244523Could have just said "nothing important"
>>107244533>you can't even download a specific browserare you saying there's some other browser that's allowed? Which one would it be? It cannot be chromium because that shit phones to Google more than google's #1 fan.
>>107244558or you could have just kept your fucking mouth shut because you didnt know what youre talking about!!111!!!!!!
>>107244559Its Chrome or Edge on my base. Firefox apparently isn't "safe" to use for some bs reason i forget what they told us.
>>107244556and what malicious data would be authorized to download to said keyboard you autistic gaywad
>>107244570I'm not sure why I got surprised. I just remembered that you retards use Windows while LARPing about security. Absolute state of securityshitters.
>>107244565You're completely incapable of understanding why you don't know jack or shit, you probably just read some Stars & Stripes article and thought "China btfo'd America Xi please fuck my bitch"
>>107244581I don't know, but are you implying you're never authorized to download anything? Is it impossible for you to copy anything over to a USB?If that's the case, then just say that. I don't know why you're getting catty.
>>107244588Yes, like I stated earlier ive received emails alerting our entire division of these hacks targeted towards the entire theater, 5 of which have already happened this year-all traced from China. Not sure why that is so hard for you to grasp.
>>107244591I'm telling you, a civilian who doesn't understand how NIPR/SIPR networks work or how you can't just download anything you want and save it to a device. Even printer access is autistically policed.So your hypothetically scenario you came up with isn't happening.>>107244594oh look another jackass that doesn't know what they are talking about.
>>107244581also the data in the scenario wouldn't be 'malicious', it would be of some classification like 'sensitive' or w.e.
>>107244030That's how it feels in every industry
>>107244557It has absolutely nothing to do with it being made in china (though I guess that would be bad too) Here is just a sample of 5% of what is possible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeNBWILSlC4Any keyboard that has VIA / QMK compatibility literal SpywareAny keyboard that has a microcontroller and isn't using end to end encryption is Spyware
>>107244607>theyfellow redditor, you can drop the act here, none of us seriously believes that any woman could be possibly posting in this thread.
>>107244608Anon, were literally talking about spyware installed on a keycard reader or a keyboard meant for malicious purposes stop moving the goalposts or im muting you
>>107244612>It has absolutely nothing to do with it being made in chinare-read the reply chain
>>107244131>they've had their ass blasted and now they're extra paranoid and controlling> that's how security should be.No, that's being a retard by playing security theater. It makes operations massively less efficient, lowers morale and in the end doesn't work for security either, since it's only done by retards that can't judge what is actually a threat and what's not.>>107244185>>107244216>>107244234This is one of the major holes that need to be patched, but almost cannot since asking most people to not use their phone is like telling them to kill their firstborn child these days. Anons gaymer keyboard gets shat on though because it's not something everyone does.
>>107244614the goal posts aren't being moved, you feel like you've shot down THE scenario, but there are others. the conversation is how can shitty amazon keyboard be a threat.you suck at this
>>107244642You are dismissed.
>>107244640>is like telling them to kill their firstborn child these daysSo just hire women, problem solved.
>>107244643
>>107244642It's trivial for a shitty amazon keyboard to be a threat if you think about it.
>>107244656topkek, yes I was wrong. It's harder making women take responsibility for their own actions.
>>107244030pretty much, up to a point
>>107244640>It makes operations massively less efficientnot letting people plug random glowing bullshit into their computers is 'less effecient' and 'lowers morale'? look i understand it's bullshit you're not allowed to do so when every other fuckwit isn't following rules either, but neither should happen.>why cant i use my gamer keyboard at as a recruit in charge on cyber security :(it's like something an 10 year old would say. maybe maintain still waters and introduce less variables/chaos while you're getting assraped by china? there are a bunch of answers like this that you morons aren't going to accept because>yeah but its like just a stupid keyboard from amazon, like what are the chances? tell me exactly what could go wrong? yeah you cant. you loseit's scary that retards like this are in charge of anything to do with security.
>>107244725how does that make one "10 years old" for pointing it out? Its a geniune logical fallacy, if he had brought up some legit argument for not using a keyboard other than "its from china so its not safe" then yeah, you would have a point but when the entire shop utilizes keyboards made in china, it makes you sound and look kind of retarded.>it's scary that retards like this are in charge of anything to do with security.Whats scary is your lack of critical thinking on what's a genuine threat and what's a nothing burger.
>>107244292Can you prove that the package shipped to the private was not intercepted? The risk is unrealistically low but not zero unless the keyboard was inspected. The dell chinese keyboards were inspected after their trip from china and that's why they're used. At least in theory. It's more that if a dell keyboard fucks up a system, dell is responsible. If some private's keyboard does, it's the guy in charge for allowing a third party device to touch sensitive systems.
>>107244771Malware comes from shit that employees bring in and out, not stuff that stays in the building permanently, retard.
>>107244776Once again, go read up on NIPR/SIPR net before you try to chat up shit you know nothing about
>>107244781Yea, because USB devices totally care about your meme network implementation, right?
>>107244782>meme network>utilized by the entirety of the armed forces>USB devices >on NIPR/SIPR netOk so you dont know what youre talking about got it.
>>107244787Yes, my bad, I forgot that a keyboard isn't an USB device, I should've known better that a "gaming" keyboard would use bluetooth.
>>107244776Hey, how did the building get its workstations and keyboards, retard?You think they just magically manifested inside of it upon its contruction, retard?
>>107244791The problem isn't getting in, but getting out, dumb niggercattle.
>>107244771>how does that make one "10 years old" for pointing it out? because it comes across as lack of understanding of how his actions potentially effect his environment, which is a basic sense that you'd expect a security engineer to have.it's also basic common sense that you don't introduce ANY potential risk into a system you're trying to make secure, unless it provides some convenience. random amazon keyboard that is different from the others is introducing unnecessary risk for no real convenience. >logical fallacy>lack of critical thinking you sound like a 19 year old that's just learned these words from their first term of uni.
>>107244790Doesn't matter, you're still a clueless faggot trying to argue about stuff he knows nothing about
>>107244797How does the building get its computers and keyboards, retard?
>>107244798>>107244798>because it comes across as lack of understanding of how his actions potentially effect his environmentHow so? Wouldn't it be equally as hazardous to use other devices of Chinese origin if that was the only factor? You're making about as much sense the boomer in charge of the shop, which is none at all.
>>107244802The difference is that they get shredded when not needed anymore, instead of brought home by retards like you who will plug it into their shitty insecure network and allow malware to send that data back to china.You're so stupid it's really impressive, I wonder if you have object permanence at all if on-device storage is such a complicated topic for you.
>>107244812>The difference is that they get shredded when not needed anymoreNo they don't. But please, keep telling me how it works, person who clearly has no idea what they are chatting up.
>>107244811Lmao they need to get you out of that unit, you are not a good fit at all. You literally cannot wrap your head around fundamental concepts of security.
>>107244814I already explained how it works,but you're a retarded nigger who can't read.
>>107244821And im telling you thats not how it works because youre a retarded DOUBLE nigger who doesn't even know how NIPR/SIPR net is let alone how an S6 operates. You're DISMISSED.
>>107244824It's irrelevant how NIPR/SIPR works if you are allowed to connect a physical device between NIPR/SIPR and global internet at any given point in time.
>>107244817I think this is less about me "wrapping my head" around fundamental concepts and you just being kind of obtuse about the entire fallacy.
The kind of nigga to cut meat then use same knife to cut vegetables for salad and be surprised be got sick despite cooking the meat properly.
>>107244832So not only do you not understant NIPR you don't understand how basic firewalls work lol of course
>>107244842If you're allowed to bring an external device that you use at home, it bypasses the firewall, retarded tranny.
ITT:>How are foreigners a problem bro, we have borders.
>107244845>he's still goingIt is prime time Pajeet shitposting hours after all
>>107244854Pajeets seem to be on your mind a lot lately, if your job wasn't for retarded subhumans, why would you be afraid of pajeets anyway?
>>107244834what fallacy?are there things you're not telling us? it sounds like they've decided to use specific equipment, e.g., models of keyboards, and any 'non-approved' equipment doesn't get plugged in. they often detail things like this in big plans put together by people way above you, and it's called security architecture.so your superior is aggressive towards your keyboard like a whiteblood cell is aggressive to a substance foreign to the human body. understand?
>>107244862>food analogy
>>107244867no not food analogy, retard.
>>107244862Are you forgetting the part where the only determining factor that made this device "non-approved" was its manufacture origin, which is the exact same as literally every keyboard in the office...?I don't know how to break it down any more for you on how its fallacious argument.
>>107244876It is.
>>107244878So is your superior not giving you all the details, or do you have access to the same documents that say what is/isn't approved?
>>107244887bro you are so fucking stupid it's unreal.this is like calling an analogy that uses heat a 'cooking analogy'.you are dismissed.
>>107244888There are no documents stating gaming keyboards aren't approved- ive literally seen other shops bring their own keyboards and use why are you so hung up on a non-existent regulation for something retarded a higher up is enforcing?I went through the actual training little guy, I think I know more about the job than you do lol
>>107244895Are you genuinely a foreigner? Serious questionNo reason why a english speaker wouldnt get that joke
>>107244898I'm asking. You're quick to push the conversation into a flame war when people ask for information. It's extremely cringe. How do you know there are no documents on what is/isn't allowed? This isn't something you've mentioned. Only that your commander or w/e doesn't let you use your personal keyboard.
>>107244921Re-read the reply chain Ranjet if you still don't understand after all this time, not going to repeat myself to someone who clearly doesn't understand ENG as a primary tongue.
>>107244929you asked why i'm so hung up on non-existant regulation, and that you actually went through training so you know more about your own job than I do.great so tell me. how do you know what regulations exist? doesn't the army use different levels of classification? i'm pretty sure they do.
>>107244898In security, everything is disapproved of by default, it's funny how some midwit who blurts out random buzzwords like 'firewalls" doesn't understand the logic behind assuming that everything is a vector of attack until explicitly cleared.
>>107244946Honestly, I feel sorry for anyone that hires you/ works with you if you're really in cybersec, no way you can be this retarded
>>107244952you're avoiding the questions and throwing insults. the fact is you've demonstrated that you're unfamiliar with your own industry.
>>107244496>This would solve 100% of security problems, yes.No, that would be glassing China, Israel and America.
>>107245008I completely agree with America, but have no idea what Israel or China did to deserve the same.
>>107244898>Doesn't understand whitelisting
>>107244898>>107245035>>niggers only understand niggerlistingbrvtal blackpill
>>107244030It's a joke if you don't become a sysadmin, network engineer and programmer before pursuing security as otherwise you're just a faggot subscring to CVEs and emailing them to the people who know what they're doing. Kys
>>107245064People who know what they're doing don't create CVEs.
>>107244511Yes, China is a communist fucking shithole and Israel is the western oasis in the Islamic shithole gnash of the Middle East. Yes. China is the bad guy you retarded fucking groyper.
>>107245076>Israel is the western oasis in the Islamic shithole gnash of the Middle EastThat's an accurate description if you know the meaning of Israel.
>>107245070You don't know what you're doing graduate of cyber security associates degree
>>107245087I'm actually a Janitor in my local shopping mall. You can laugh all you want, but my work benefits society I live in, because the trash I pick up is real and the CVEs you submit are irrelevant.
>>107244583are you retarded? most web servers are running on linux. how many times they got root? fucking idiot
>>107245193Believe it or not, the keyword is most, think about it for a moment anon. I am worried for the poor suckers using Windows Server 2003 in current year.
>>107245076They are all bad. China, Israel, USA, EU, Switzerland, even the fucking Iceland, name any government, kek forget national governmets, your own shitty local council is like that. All governments want more power and more control over their citizens (slaves), they do not care about your rights, freedoms and any of that, it's a joke to them, and you're a clown for believing that they care.
>>107245255Ok. But I still hate Islam and want it wiped off the planet.
>>107245466Why? What has Islam done to you that it made you hate it so much?
>>107245094Yeah and you work double time as a snitch for free too on the side unc.
>>107245485Islamists/Jihadists destroying/raping Europe out of its rights we were born with is enough to hate Islam for what it is, when those nigas stay in their lane and in middle east nobody gives a fuck, they are just doing their own thing in their own lane. That's all cool.
>>107245488I don't live in USA where shopping malls have blindspots, cameras can see everything, and I'm good friends with security guard here, I helped him automate his job with AI on the side, and he convinced our boss to give me a raise and better tools so I can work less as a janny.
>>107245020That’s because you spend too much time begging for food in your third world shithole to learn about the way of things.
>>107245500>Islamists/Jihadists destroying/raping Europe out of its rights we were born withThey aren't. Every new law designed to surveil and control us and basically take away our rights was proposed and then approved by the left/right European parties consisting of non islamic white politicians.
>>107245515Okay, you seem tight then with that being said.
>>107244529You are Indian.Your opinion is literally worthless, just like your country/race.
>>107244968Maybe you'll reincarnate into someone with better English Comprehension skills?
>>107245577>Circular reasoning.They pushed muslim terrorists on us when terrorist propaganda (that they don't like aka white nationalism but not apparently leftist terrorism such as ANTIFA and ISLAM) is illegal in EU. Fuck you faggot and go die in a ditch bitch please.
>>107245585I know that you assume this because I forgot to mention India, but really, India is so irrelevant, I forgot it exists, thank you for reminding me of it, Poojesh.
>>107245600Whats your opinion of Pakistan, Prakesh?
>>107245591Notice its a jew every single time when they try to gaslight you with a "it was the european whites/the europeans themselves voted" nope. It was always the jews pushing for that agenda while raping kids. Jewish child rapists should be shot dead on sight no cap.
Yes lol.Drug dealers use burner phones.
>>107245613They use pagers and communicate on tor.
>>107245035>doesn't understand EnglishReal jeet hours
>>107244152>>107244351kek, it's the same shit in the regular working world, too. I gave up with this type of thing long ago and let management handle it all. Have fun!
>>107245620>Literally describes Whitelisting and mentions not banned.There is jeet logic in this thread most certainly. The prime example is forgetting what whitelisting is or maybe you just forgot, retarded faggot.
>>107245657I read through the thread, and there doesn't seem to be any misunderstanding about whitelisting, just some armybrat pissed at his boomer boss banning his gamer keyboard because "muh china bad"
>>107244105>we've been successfully hacked by chinese atleast 5 times this yearDid you physically separate your sipr and nipr cables by at least 3 feet of space? Something something about nipr can be hacked and turned into an antenna that reads the bits on the wire of an unhacked cable too close to it>>107244030>Is cybersecurity/OPsec a fucking joke???It can be. We have a pentesting team that uses kali linux, im not sure how serious they actually are. Some people in cybersecurity, females in particular, just send email warnings about the latest vulnerabilities because they read it in a blogpost
>>107245591>>107245608/pol/idiots or maybe even government glowies pushing their retarded narrative.
>>107245696>Nooo you can't be right and not be a fed.You should rope too for working for the benefit of the Greater Judaea campaign of Israel. Fuck you bitch ass goylem. I say what I want to say, nothing to do, gangster rap made me do it, I say what I want to say, Israelis trying to take over the world and silence free speech that doesn't align with their views made me do it.
>>107244076>cryptography isn't a joke.In a vacuum, it's a serious science.In the real world, it's a joke because the human element will fuck it all up 100% of the time.
>>107245668It's a whitelisting policy. Only approved devices can be used. Do you suffer from poor reading comprehension or did you have trouble connecting the dots of the policy to devices plugged into the machine?
>>1072457262/10
>>107245553You are Indian.
>>107245720kek either a glowie or just mentally unstable. If glowie then just kys.
>>107245720Brown groyper detected
>>107244030Obviously not. We've reached a point where with proper infrastructure and procedure, the biggest security risks are internal corruption and people failing to follow the rules. But companies failing on the most basic level is still a fairly common problem, like what happened with that Tea app or with Subaru tokens.
>>107245813>You are hecking mentally unstable.Further Jewish gaslighting that means nothing outside of your mentally ill 48% trash piece of shit race.
>>107245732I accept your concession.Git gud faggot
>>107245853I don't associate with loopy catholics either.
>>107245857You are forgetting the time when people were illegally farming fifa coins.
>>107245604I wrote:>>Palestine>kick a muslim baby into trashcanSo I'm going to answer with a question, as it's not a dialogue anymore, but my monologue, as you are not human: how would you feel if you couldn't extrapolate information based on datapoints you were already given?
>>107246126Killing a jew is a surefire way of killing a pedophile, I support Jewish genocide.
>>107246135Read through Talmud's Sanhedrin if you doubt me, take it from the schizo jews, not me.
>oh cool a cybersecurity thread>it's all just sperging out about keyboards and jews
>>107244150The keyboards the military uses are inspected before they are used. The issue is not that they were manufactured in China.They won't let you bring your glowing, childish bullshit because the mere fact you even asked to bring it indicates a fundamental stupidity. There is no way they are letting you bring your toy to work because YOU are the OpSec risk. As many other people have pointed out, keyboards are a known attack vector (independent of what country they came from). A bunch of cheap keyboards that somebody who knows what they are doing took the time to investigate and check for any suspicious hardware/software are orders of magnitude less dangerous than something a random Private brought from home.
>>107246629Glowie derailment thread
>>107244306THAT'S WHAT HACKING IS YOU FUCKING MORON
Is this entire thread because private Timmy got a throwaway answer why he can't bring his loliXtreme keyboard into the SCIF and now he's overanalyzing it?
>>107244607Ok let me break it down for you, jarhead.>you plug in your ebin gaymer chinkmaxxed keyboard>malware in the keyboard saves all your keystrokes>when you open top-secret.pdf it quickly sends keystrokes to copy that file to its internal memory>when you go home to play Fortnite, the keyboard uses the rootkit you installed to play that game and sends too-secret.pdf to ChinaAnd now you'll say "b-but I'm too smart to let that happen! I would notice if something funny was going on!"1. You joined the military so by default your IQ is double digits max2. If you're allowed to do it then every retarded nigger would be allowed to "charge they iphone" on your top secret laptop's USB port and they'll all click to trust this device when candy crush asks for file permissions.
>>107244076>>107244030security and opsec are very serious fields, putting them into practicality is a joke because nobody takes it seriously. They think there is a magic bullet/turnkey for everything and then they go buy the cheapest chinese dogshit and give it 100% access to their LANs at even higher levels of trust than certified attestation devices and they want ME to think I should give a fuck about it when they've already been pwned ten ways from sunday, just waiting for the bell to claim their network.
>>107248941>>malware in the keyboard saves all your keystrokespeople who worry about this when half of these bases are wired with off-brand TEMU security cameras that are saving copies of every single thing they look at including your keystrokes and monitor are fooling themselves.
>>107244799Pottery. You think your military VPN protects you from all attacks.
>>107244030The whole point is that your job is to find other peoples retardation, what do you think it is?
>>107244100>someone who's spent a disgusting amount of time learning about firewall technologyIt's not academic or professional or even complicated knowledge, it's called reading the documentation.
>keeps claiming that nipper sipper net is hackproof>in the same sentence claims to have gotten hacked 5 times this yearThis is the average intelligence of military personnel btw.
>E-1 brings in his mechanical keyboard that's louder than a typewriter again>see the command prompt come up for a second as soon as he plugs it in>"Private, unplug that device. It's not authorized.">Private shits himself and starts screaming>I call security forces because this is beyond my paygrade>Private tries going on 4chan to make a thread but gets blocked by DNS filter>Private is currently in the back of a security forces vehicle phoneposting about how dumb everyone else is while we try and figure out how he should be discharged
>>107244150Oh my god are you really this dumb? Your USB keyboard can be compromised when you plug it into compromised devices. It can then be used to infect other devices. The malware doesn't have to come from the manufacturer. It could come from any one of the other dumb shit things you use that crusty ass keyboard for.
>>107250430fucking based
>>107244105America is so fucked
>>107244184You underestimate just how fucking dumb and incompetent the mulatto military is.Remember when some national guard leaked all the Counteroffensive plans in 2023... and then they dd the exact thing they said they will do in the leaks... and we got daily videos of a total slaughterhouse where American, German, French and English gear got blown up on mass with corpses all over the field?It was the largest singular military offensive since WW2, and it failed because mulattos had bad OpSec.
>>107245898>git gud saaar
>>107244030Against the power of the US Government, there can be no victory.
>>107251676>Doesn't understand that all peripherals are reviewed on an individual basis for security.Chink's really do think they're above jeets. You're the same tier, piss skin. You'll never ascend to Nip level.
>>107244030Then give me your addres and credit card number
>>107244295https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25998809-20250611-dhs-salt-typhoon/
>>107244139>because you can never be 100% securetotally false, you just need to update.i never run any software that does not have, at minimum, monthly updates.you must be running windows 7 is it?
>>107251795the usg is a gay and retarded colossus on clay feet
>>107244489sounds bassed
>>107252458Japanese have Siberian, Yayoi and SEA blood so of course South Asians wouldn't ever be able to climb to their level. Hence the constant "sea nigger" rants.
>>107244402they bought rocket fuel within budget and fired at command ?
>>107244201> i just expected that the army would be better.The reason they don't run cutting edge tech with general logistics is that the average solider is retarded. Kids and un-knowledgeable techs break tech 9/10. Sure, you can absolutely do damage to the lower levels, however that's just the outer layer. The high value stuff is reserved for off site weapons and defense development.>>107244216Absolutely, the propaganda machine wants civies to know is the government has ultimate power. At the end of the day if it's proprietary and physical it requires a ton more research to break. Try hacking into an LTO-3 stored offline in a climate conditioned, lead lined Faraday bunker.>>107244300It's entirely social breaches. You should know more than anyone your knuckle heads fap too. Chinks hit them with spyware and they willingly take the bait on their own time. >>107244479>Insecure keyboardsWired ones? Especially ones pre 2010? Not a chance. New wireless USB dongle based ones with mandatory Chinese drivers? Absofucken lutely.>>107244498>Edward Snowden literally walking out of an NSA building with a physical drive.That's entirely social hacking aka lies and bribes. YOU are your biggest security risk, unknowing people think USB=completely harmless. See Operation Buckshot Yankee:>A USB flash drive, infected with the worm by a foreign intelligence agency, was reportedly left in the parking lot of a U.S. military base in the Middle East. A military service member found the drive and, unaware of the threat, inserted it into a laptop connected to the United States Central Command network.https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-111hhrg62397/html/CHRG-111hhrg62397.htm
>>107255581>Wired ones? Especially ones pre 2010? Not a chance.USB 1.0 is actually magnitudes less secure than USB-C. I mean god, that picture literally shows you what you have to do to the cable to make it secure.
>>107244479Im gusssing from a security standpoint using PS/2 keyboards is the way to go?
>>107244292because the retards who might bring it into a secure environment are blasting it online. This turns it from "funny joke attack vector" to "hey do you think we actually could get one of those retards with this tech?"If you're going all in all you need are base names and check other social media for people complaining about not using their special keyboards at work.It's less so "we're actively targeting this" but more "well shit if the retard has a beacon of hack me, why not have X group try it out for training purposes?"
>>107257361Going off of this, I wonder how many retarded exploits exist today with the software packaged with the gaming keyboards. I'm a lazy bastard these days that does compliance (muh NIST) but I'd be willing to bet you could fuck it up if you could do whatever you eanted with the hardware attached.
>>107244030Reminds me of a time I went to the hospital and the nurses have the password to login on a stickynote under the keyboard. It doesn't matter how good you are, all it takes is 1 of those dumbasses to compromise everything.
>>107257404QMK and KIA are extremely compromised. Windows in general is compromised for simply letting any program read hid input. The problem isn't even a software thing, there are just an infinite amount of side channel attacks that can be executed simply because of how USB works. Its why hardened keyboards either use encryption or don't use USB at all. Preferably the keyboard doesn't have a microcontroller in it either.
>>107244478Security is a network engineer job. Codemonkeys must get out of their own ass and let the competent people do their jobs.
>>107254729>Got there shit pushed in and needed American globalism to save them from "sea niggers"Stay salty, chang. I'm sure you will make a good comfort ladyboy to your Nip overlord.
>>107244030>just fucking theaterAfter working in tech at large institutions over 20 years, I have come to the conclusion that security is basically a do-nothing fall guy. He acts as cover for administration or leadership, even up to getting fired or resigning. That's not a failure, that's actually what he is there to do. Sitting around and getting paid to be fall guy when the time comes IS the job. Some poor naive bastard who takes the job and doesn't understand this will inevitably start trying to implement restrictive policies that will drive leadership absolutely insane and he won't survive very long. Because he doesn't understand the real job he's supposed to be doing. Nobody's ever going to explain it you either understand it or you don't.
>>107257692 >Security is a network engineer job.Hahahahaha, this nigger knows absolutely nothing.Cable monkies couldn't mitigate or detect any kind of cyber threat if their life depended on it. Except for maybe spying on everyone's porn browsing history at work.
>>107244063>youre paid to be the scapegoat when shtfThat's how a lot of cybersecurity work ends up. But, it's on you for allowing that. You're paying me because I know more than you - If you don't listen when I speak, then what are you paying me for?Log everything.>>107244185>OPSEC can not be effectively implemented anyways like that other anon said without pissing a lot of people.You want convenience? Or do you want security?Whilst your at it, you might want to consider another employer if you don't like their policies.>We tried getting all the officers in our Battallion field even to stop sharing the Starlink's network password to everyone and they just ignored usProsecute. Giving out such information could be framed as a national security risk by a competent prosecution. Make an example, the others learn. That's how it 'normally' works?>>107244222Crucial difference is they know what's in the dell units, or what was in them when they were deployed at least. Then as another user rightly points out, the keyboard itself is a viable infection vector, the act of plugging it into a compromised machine can transfer malware to the keyboards firmware... And keyboards don't have any security layer. You plug them in and they work, with the data transfer rate a few hundred commands can be executed before you've removed your hand from the port after plugging it in.>>107244240>Its kind of hard to enforce standards for OPSEC if your bosses who make 10x more than you choose not to follow it because its inconvient, yeah.There's nothing in place for reporting security violations?
>>107244327Yeah, I mean, there's no way anybody else could possibly use that against you. Oh. Wait. SaltTyphoon.....
>>107244402>our own SAM sites will stop responding even to manual override.I mean, it's not like they're dumb enough to put patriots on the open internet? Oh. Well at least they don't have vulnerable firmwares. Um...
>>107256319every device leaks emf, and can have vulnerable drivers regardless of ps/2 or usb
>>107244464>Not unless something deeply and catastrophically has gone wrong.You mean, like everyone up and down the chain ignoring security directives? Yeah. That'll never happen. You're good.
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>>107244771>if he had brought up some legit argument for not using a keyboard other than "its from china so its not safe" then yeah, you would have a pointI put it to you that someone who knows what they're doing told some random knuckle draggin' fuckwitt it's because it's from china rather than waste the next three hours trying to explain the sheer number of ways a keyboard and be an infection vector.
>>107244776>Malware comes from shit that employees bring in and out,You mean... like a keyboard?
>>107244272You can tell how old it is because now you only need to expose 1mm of d+ or d- copper to open air to have it broadcast harmonic resonance rf signals in a 50m radius. Which will undoubtedly be picked up by a compromised phone in the vicinity
Man, am I glad I never drank the jewish millitary cybernigger koolaid. If this is what your average scif user is like then we really are fucked.
>>107249009He accepts your concession
>>107244030because no one here is gonna answer the fucking question, yes, 99% of the field is bullshit, except for ONE specific subset...Reverse engineers genuinely know their shit. Aka the ones that look at malware in Ghidra / IDA Pro and read assembly all day. They are seriously on another level compared to everyone else in "cybersec". Threat Hunters, SOC analysts, etc are all bullshit fields. RE is the real shit tho
>>107244489just code your own routers from your own country>it's all in Rustcan't be that hard, amirite?
