>News & Rumors
Pricing on ram or anything with memory is only going to worse, consume now/in the near future
RTX 50 Super, 2026 launch? 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.
Nova Lake 2026
Dual 3d cache "9950X3D2"
AMD FSR "Redstone" Arrives December 10, Exclusive to Radeon RX 9000 Series

>Product Notice

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

Leave any constructive suggestions for edits to the op. Is slowly being worked on.

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>>107252961

about to pull the trigger on the Alienware AW2725DF

Is there ANY reason I should spend $50 extra and go for the Gigabyte FO27Q3? or do I proceed with the AW

>>107257221
check out glossy tandem oleds instead
https://www.displayninja.com/best-oled-monitor/

Do you think it's worth selling my 6950 xt and buy a 9070 xt? I can sell my 6950 xt for ~400€ and get a new 9070 xt for 619€.

6950 xt performance is enough, but I have FOMO. And also faster image generation.

is flashing a "better bios" on your gpu still a thing?

>>107257230
Too expensive or not available? Don't wanna exceed $600 and prefer QD as brightness isn't a issue in my room, I can control it completely

>>107257255
>6950 xt
it's already abandonware

>>107257263
Tandem oled prob has less panel dimming

>>107257255
I would 100% do it, longer support, better temps, and AI stuff will work on rdna4 because it has the hardware for it

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just one more day

>>107257294
time to buy 70€ 32gb ddr5 cl30 ram on the big bf sale

>inb4 AMD just abandons RNDA4 too once UDNA1/2 is out

>>107257261
I flashed a Gameboy BIOS onto mine. I think I broke it.

>>107257348
you can just flash the correct bios back to fix it

>>107257221
>Is there ANY reason I should spend $50 extra and go for the Gigabyte FO27Q3?

better warranty?
its not alienware?

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The lianli 207 and antec flux rear both have this great design that puts the PSU up front with 2x 120mm reverse fans under the GPU. If I got a more traditional case and put 2x fans over the PSU shroud/midplate how similar would cooling performance be?

>>107257390
Those bottom intake fans are overrated.
If you have an NVIDIA GPU, those fans will provide +15 MHz higher GPU core boost clock in the best-case scenario to chips that boost well above 2500MHz.
Someone thought I was bullshitting and tested his 4090 temps with those bottom intake fans running and off. 3°C difference.
Those bottom fans are basically cosmetics if you already have good front intake and a rear exhaust.

>>107257374
isnt gigabye known for notoriously bad customer support even in the US?

Ill be buying from amazon though

if I'm not a big gamer anymore and don't care for aaa should I get the 9070 xt or the 9060 xt is enough? I'm thinking it is

>upgrading to AM5 in july
>want 64GB DDR5, only able to find a CL36 DIMM 2x32GB at $150
>pull the trigger on it, tell myself i can get CL30 at black friday and give the CL36 to my cousin
>RAM prices are fucked
>also wanted a M.2 NVME that could actually use PCIE 5.0

welp

>>107257265
>it's already abandonware
I mean AMD took back what they said and the 6950 xt works well on Linux, Mesa is good and ROCm is fine.
>>107257272
>I would 100% do it
If everything goes well, I'd just have to pay ~200€ for the upgrade, I'm just not sure. Fucking FOMO.

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>>107257390
Old but useful vid.
https://youtu.be/WaDFTNe8aAU?t=187

>>107257447
gen5 is a scam, applications don't even use gen4 speeds and by the time they are rewritten to take advantage of speeds we'll be at gen6 or gen7
it's the biggest hoax in pc hardware, all you really need is a nvme ssd and it's enough, even gen3

>>107257421
>3°C difference.
So a really important difference?

>>107257421
when looking at the benchmarks cases with those bottom intake fans have better GPU temps by way more than 3C difference. what gives ?

>>107257215
If you're going to get an UPS, you need to pick one that gives you that converts AC to DC in a semi-sinusoid wavelenght or you will shorten the lifespan of your PSU. There are UPSes like this, but they tend to be a little more expensive. With surge protectors, you don't have this concern as they feed AC directly to your PSU to convert.

>>107257436
5060ti is better than the 9060 xt and about the same price with rebate
https://www.newegg.com/msi-rtx-5060-ti-16g-ventus-2x-oc-black-plus-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-16gb-graphics-card-double-fans/p/N82E16814137992
but yes, you don't need more than that if you aren't playing poorly optimized AAA games

>>107257473
>gen5 is a scam, applications don't even use gen4 speeds

so i dodged a bullet then? even if i have a 7800X3D?

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>>107257476
>So a really important difference?
I've already explained there's no practical performance benefit from having an RTX 50 GPU core boosting @ 2900 or 2915 MHz.
It's just not enough cooling improvement for the GPU boosting algorithm.
Chips running 3°C cooler won't drastically improve their overall lifespan.
You set stricter power limits + an undervolt to reduce the amount of current flowing through the chip if you care about longevity.

You go GPU liquid cooling if you want the video card to sustain higher clock speeds.

>>107257472
good video for sure anon, but this case lacks the mesh lower panels under the side panels like the 207 and flux rear have. something like a antec C8 with its bottom intake fans also is high on the charts for GPU temps, so it really does seem to help when the case allows for it. ill do some more digging around though

>>107257300
Paying 219€ up wouldnt hurt, if AMD launches a 90 series refresh or another model with more vram, I'd take that, but I bet it will cost much more. AMD even announced they will increase prices again... because of fucking memory.

>>107257535
You dig however much you want, the conclusion will be the same.
There won't be enough thermal improvement to give more than 15 MHz higher boost clock @ high GPU loads, that's the best case scenario.
You need to go to GPU liquid cooling for more frequency gains.

What the fuck is going on with the GPU market

Why is the entry GPU be like $500

>>107257572
ask tsmc why they dont sell wafers for cheaper

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>>107257558
huh ive never looked at techpowerups info on boostclocks, they say my 1660 should get 1785mhz boostclock, but my OC is stable at 2050mhz. memory is running at 4500mhz. neat

>>107257572
Huh? Back then $500 was midrange. 2070 super for 500. Now it's $600 - $650.

>>107257509
I kinda want the 9060 xt for a few reasons, linux support being better, and I don't plan to use w11 ever so going linux will have to happen and because you can get higher end models of the 9060 xt for the same price of the lower end 5060 ti and I want them to last

>>107257626
NVIDIA generally sets very conservative boost clock specifications for their GPUs.
I'm guessing they do this to help AIBs (especially prebuilt OEMs) make smaller coolers and stay well within the chip's performance specs.
It's not too crazy to see RTX cards boosting at least +200~300 MHz above the paper specs.

>>107257657
on 3080 you can underclock it to save like 60 watts for 4% fewer fps

>>107257633
>linux
based

>>107257657
*well above performance specs

>>107257633
i don't think the variations between the cards are that big of a deal, the lower 5060ti ones run a bit louder but i don't think it beats the performance difference between the two cards. if you really plan to use linux down the line over a modded win10 it's a better idea though

>>107257664
On 4090 you can reduce power by 40% at the cost of 11% performance. It's a no brainer to undervolt that especially with risk of connector melting

>>107257633
Radeon for Linux is a good justification.

digits and RAM prices will come down by this time next year

>she boughted an aio
lamo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj1m1TbZJnY

>>107257683
I mostly do it so the fans are quiet enough to not care
+ phase change pad really helps

does anyone care enough to know which are the best thermal pads on the market? I'm already using ptm7950 everywhere but I never changed pads because not enough people cover it except the goat, igorslab

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>>107257702
I'm not gonna get an AIO because they are too expensive but I do wanna get one of the ones with a screen on it so I can display dancing anime girls.

>>107257525
hairymans write up on the 207 puts the stock fans at 38 above ambient(with bottom intake), standardized fans at 43 above(without bottom intake). only a 2c difference from what you saw. BUT a 5c difference is damn close to 2 steps on the curve, say from 70c to 76c. Best case scenario obviously.
It all totally depends on the rest of the setup, how hot the GPU is running already, etc but going from 2 steps down, to staying at the top of the curve always is not nothing.

Wtf, I could sell my 5800x3d for more than MSRP, but damn, upgrading to AM5 would be dumb, because of the RAM prices.

>>107257300
Thanks for your contribution, Chat/pcbG/PT...

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>>107257718
This guy used to share decent VRAM thermal pad/putty benchmarks, doesn't seem to have been updated recently.
His YouTube channel has some Google Drive links to other benchmarks.
https://www.youtube.com/@snarksdomain/featured

Thermal Grizzly's new pads & putties should be good overall (performance + longevity + good material quality).

>>107257772
Missing the big picture, people with RTX 5070 Ti, 5080, or 5090 can tune them to consistently run at above 2900 or 3000 MHz if they didn't get a completely shit bin.
2900 -> 2930 MHz or 3000 -> 3030MHz is an imperceptible performance difference. And not everyone is consistently getting that +30MHz from a 207 or whatever case.
And the better video card cooler model you have, the less it would benefit from the bottom intake fans.

>>107257799
yeah, I've seen this guy's content, I've bought the fehonda pads because of that list, wish more people would cover it

>>107257799
I'm using the fehonda ltp81 and it's been pretty good so far. My 3090 strix's vram never throttles now like it used to do on stock pads

I just want to say that I love my 5070 and that it's all you need unless you splurge for a really fancy monitor that costs as much as a GPU.
>1440p 180Hz IP for 150-200 bucks?
5070's all you need right now
>4K 240Hz OLED for 600+++ bucks?
I mean, if you're spending that much on just the screen, sure, get a 5070Ti/5080.

>>107257822
all true and good points. I got an MSRP card, so the cooler is kinda lack luster. I always undervolt and OC my cards eventually, and wanted to consider a case focused on thermal performance.
I dont like the chinkyness of these cheap airflow cases though, so any suggestions from anons on a solid case to consider (preferably with actual strews holding shit together) would be great

>>107257874
Find a balance between buying one that looks nice in your opinion and also provides good/acceptable airflow.
Then other practical things like the top panel's maximum radiator support if you have a high-power draw CPU (or plan on getting one in the future), and the quality of the included fans.
Consider your preference for top or bottom front panel I/O placement preference as well.

Antec Flux Pro won a lot of awards and plenty of ppl here are happy with it.

>>107257822
>And the better video card cooler model you have, the less it would benefit from the bottom intake fans.
not true, intake brings fresh air in, it's always going to be positive no matter the cooler size, case fans don't cool components, they cool the box that houses the components

>>107257206
come bump my thread on FAST software:
>>107257907

if you don't, just sell your pc and buy an xbox and a mac or whatever retards do with their worthless time.

Why the FUCK are 40-series cards so overpriced? On the same website:
>used 4060 Ti 16GB - 400 euro
>brand new 5060 Ti 16GB - 350 euro
What, is Ada so much better than Blackwell in terms of, I dunno, reliability or some niche application?
The same applies for the Supers as well, with the 4070 Super second hand selling for as much as the 5070 regular is being offered brand new. It's ridiculous!
Is there any explanation for this beyond the classic "sell for a fixed percentage of what I paid for it initially", even if that fixed percentage puts it at a higher price point than that device's successor?

>>107257951
>Find a balance between buying one that looks nice in your opinion and also provides good/acceptable airflow.
no

don't prioritize looks at all. if exactly the same price, looks can decide.

Can we add the 9060xt 16gb to the OP? it performs very similarly to the 5060TI and seems that skipping it is only done due to brand war

>>107257799
379 px

why do n's hate God?

>>107257995
buy 50xx gpus then

>>107258003
possibly, but it runs worse (outside of linux) for a similar price

>>107257759
helped my friend put a pc together, his only requirements, the only things he wouldnt budge on no matter what were
>fishtank case
>aio with a display screen
>bunch of rgb fans with a controller to sync them

I can't imagine the ungodly things happening on that screen

>>107257976
If the card's heatsink isn't being fully saturated to begin with, that fresh air from the case fan isn't going to make much difference to the GPU temps.

>>107258007
I was scouring the second hand market for a potential upgrade to my old PC that I gave to my brother. 4060 would be an instant choice for sub-200 euro, but it's only got 8GB VRAM, and I know my brother will cry if he can't run GTA 6 when it comes out, and that will for sure need at least 12GB to run properly with upscaling. Maybe even 16GB as a minimum if the PC port is based on the "PS6 next gen edition", based on what happened with GTA 5, and it's not as scaleable on lowend hardware as GTA 5 was 10 years ago.

>>107258021
I wonder how is anyone going to release a console with a lot of (gddr7) vram in these times

just get a 5070

>>107257080
>>107257137
Alright after a while of fucking around the best I could get without 3dmark steel nomand black screening is -110 voltage offset. Testing it on some games right now, so far so good. Some comments saying they crash at 50-75 so I guess I didn't get unlucky there

>>107258038
Go get an xbox, slow retard

>>107258008
i just checked and IN MY COUNTRY (sunny Spain) the cheapest model of each is 75€ apart, thats a big ass difference on a 355€ 9060xt to the 430€ 5060TI
I mean 75 would be a difference big enough to mention on a more expensive card but on thos prices is a 15-20% increase.
Also i thought they performed closer but it seems the 5060TI is a full step ahead, bigger difference than the 9070xt/5070TI (to my shallow research)
i just think that it should be mentioned

>>107258021
You've got a while before that releases. Save up more, buy something better.

>>107258049
slow person detected.

the sleepy lazy spaniard.

>>107258021
im gonna play gta6 on an 8vram card and nobody can stop me

>>107257951
It seems no matter what, ill have to compromise in some way. front I/O placement, drive support, toolless panels vs screws, airflow, etc I cant find something that ticks all the boxes I want.

>>107258030
>>107258051
My own new PC has a 5070, my lil 11 year old bwo doesn't deserve that kind of decadence.
Guess he's stuck with the 1660S in my old PC and the 4060 Mobile in his laptop until he learns to save his allowance to buy tech instead of blowing it all on Doner Kebabs, retro model cars (russian/german cars), lego, video game figurines, and ROBUX...
>>107258063
Based if possible. I played GTA 5 on 1GB of VRAM and it ran really well at 1280x1024 @ 60+ FPS and the Normal (lowest) preset with the density sliders cranked up to like medium.

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>>107257497
>little more expensive
Define expensive, anon. Is 200USD expensive vs. the cost of your complete build?

over the life of a UPS (if you get a good one it will last for many years) you have to factor in the cost of battery replacement too.

pic related, the 1000VA UPS for my shitposting box, replacement battery is about 100USD every 2-3 years, got the UPS free and had to buy a battery for it.

also have another 1500VA model from same company for my server that uses a bigger battery, that one is about 120USD, also got that one free

and two more smaller 1300VA ones from the same vendor for my home theater and networking that use a 60USD battery, got them at a resale shop for 20USD each but needed batteries

and one more 1350VA one in my wifes home office that uses an 80USD battery, that one cost me 200USD or so new a couple of years ago and is probably due for a battery.

If you get a good one it might have a USB port that you plug your system into and you get a the ability to monitor your power, Windows even puts a little battery icon in the taskbar.

>>107258073
anon I have two old APC UPSes, i believe smart UPS 1500s. IIRC they have two golfcart looking batteries inside, and havent been used in years. am I gonna have to drop 200USD on batteries to get one running again ? Is there any reason not to use an older model UPS like that?

>>107257995
>What, is Ada so much better than Blackwell in terms of, I dunno, reliability
Yes, actually. They have only -5~10% performance compared to their 50 series equivalents along with access to the old reliable drivers, better support for legacy features, and drastically better hardware QC.

>>107258038
Quit derping around with all of that bullshit and just use OCCT, dummy

>>107257995
>Why the FUCK are 40-series cards so overpriced?
Because they are out of production, but I'm assuming you already knew that. People who have less than no idea what they are doing and don't bother to research anything are the target market for used 40 series cards. They assume the older cards are cheaper and don't check the prices of the new cards.

how do you feel knowning there are nvidia employees in this very general steering the conversation?

>>107258038
just because it is stable doing benchmarks doesn't mean it'll be stable playing games, keep that in mind and raise 10 milivolts in case you get random crashes
I also think reducing power limit is a great deal in any gpu because you lose 10% performance and gain 30~40% better power consumption but that's just me

>>107258129
>They assume the older cards are cheaper and don't check the prices of the new cards
Pretty sure that the primary reason atm. New cards finally being msrp prices is catching people by surprise.

>>107258142
I wish I was an Nvidia employee because I'm already shilling their hardware online, and yet I'm only getting paid to do my real desk job, which I'm ignoring in favor of shitposting on /g/ most of the time.

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>>107258073
>over the life of a UPS (if you get a good one it will last for many years) you have to factor in the cost of battery replacement too.
ups chad ty

Linux also puts the battery in the corner

ups are FAST (who wants to be SLOW and have their router go down in a storm? much less their pc)

be sure to add FAST things to the FAST thread:
>>107257907

I willing to bet the whole DRAM fiasco is just an excuse for tech companies to cancel black friday deals and in january everything will come back to normal, it's a psyop

>>107258142
if they are here can they please lower the price of the 5070TI?
Cheapest one i would consider is 190€ more expensive than the 9070xt i would consider
I rather pick the TI but can't swing those extra 190
Thank you for reading mr nvidia employees

>>107258142
I don't care, I won't buy ngreedia, until they fix their performance regression on Linux. There is no excuse for the biggest company on earth, to have such a shitty gaming performance on Linux, while selling AI Linux computers and running AI Linux clusters. Like wtf???

>Uses MPG Z590 Gaming force mainboard
>Works great for months now
>Decided to use the Rear USB-C port for a Webcam
>Doesn't work
>Fine, probably the Webcam being a petty bitch
>Try out a capture card
>Doesn't work
>Check bios, USB-C port isn't disabled and is getting powered
>Try plugging in my phone for charging
>Doesn't work or even charges it
Am I doing something wrong or is Lightning USB a scam gimmick? Looked up the Z590 series and the few threads that have the same problem have no solution.

>>107258081
yep it will cost to get batteries and yep they are worth using, my 1500VA is a Smart UPS 1500 (model SUA1500) and it's been working fine for decades.

You can get a replacement battery for about 120 as I posted, should be the RBC7, doesn't have to be from APC but try to find a decent one - if in the US, American Battery is the one I bought last time.

>>107258298
what OS are you using?

if Windows run devmgmt.msc and check the USB devices, any yellow bang symbol showing, you can look at the event log in the properties of the device.

a power surge, overcurrent demand, or a short on a USB should make it disable itself or maybe the hub it branches from, you probably have to power off to re-enable it.

>>107258382
Win10. Log doesn't show any yellow bang tho.

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>imagine buying amd gpus
rdoa3 is unofficially in "maintenance" mode kek

>>107258496
You tried a power off/unplug cold boot?

>not that i think it will help, sorry anon

>>107258329
thanks anon

>>107258329
Yeah, I have APC Back-UPS 1500. an ok size. I want a much larger one.

remember, make everything FAST, add your FAST tips here, let's make FAST a thing:
>>107257907
It's just named /FAST/ because that's FAST, mocronyms are slow. >:(

>>107258554
Yeah sure but I still saved like 100 bucks.

>>107258635
Nvidiafags eternally btfo

>>107258634
>larger
can your UPS use an add-on external battery? some of them can.

>>107258554
>ponytail faggot still an nvidia fanbot
I would suggest you read better sources.

What is go to m2 these days? I can get only Kingston KC3000 1Tb here easily, anything else less known?

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>>107258635
It's also intentional. Valve added FSR4 emulation in Proton but it's now disabled by default in their build for anything but rdoa4. You have to buid it yourself and enable the flag or look for a fork.
Then you have this mental illnes. This faggot is about to rope kek.

>>107258719
>You have to buid it yourself and enable the flag
because it wouldn't work on RDNA3, only one early version works because it works on different model

>>107258742
It works, faggot drone. There's even a fork with the varable enabled atm.
It's disable only on the official valve build because tranny su wants to sell her new shit.

>>107258765
>It works
it eats performance

>>107258765
They made the right choice. If they don't concede, amd will stop supplying apus to them that steam deck 2 and the gabebox will have to be killed

>>107258776
It's also faster than native and has orders of magnitude better IQ than FSR3.
Nvidia allowed ray reconstruction on ampere and turing although its slower on FP16.
Here amd actively takes away your options to sell you rdoa4. It's malice and greed.

>>107258790
>amd good
>nvidia bad

>>107258813
>It's also faster than native
like 4% faster from what I've tested
>and has orders of magnitude better IQ than FSR3.
I can tell only on shiny objects in UE5 games at anything below 90% resolution, I think it UE that is fucked not FSR.
I use FSR3 only in NativeAA setting because my 7900XT still carries all games I play at 120fps+double frame gen to 240, and there isn't much of a difference at that setting.
Quality for RT, maybe, but I can name only three games where it's worth it.

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>>107257206
Thank fucking god I built a PC in August, fuck AI, and fuck the literal faggot kikes trying to build some perverse digital golem god.

Coming back around to the bottom intake fans under the GPU, I have watched a few videos and looked around online. some videos the results are a few degrees cooler, some no improvement at all, some people say its 10-15c cooler, i dont know what to believe. The 207 and flux both are pretty high on the charts(GN) and both use bottom intake fans so Im conflicted. I dont understand why case manufactures would go through the effort of doing a PSU relocation to the front and including 2 intake fans if it wasnt worth it?

Looking for an ultra wide curved monitor for both gaming and office work (software dev) but not sure if they are actually great for gaming and productivity. My desk is tiny though so 1 wide monitor would fit better than 2-3 regular monitors, plus one of my coworkers is really happy with his for work.

What's your experience with ultra wide? Any suggestions on decent monitors?

>>107258667
yeah. I want a tesla powerwall thingy, maybe I'll win the lotto

capcha: m000g

(is this lucky?

I havent payed attention to monitors in forever so im very out of the loop. I have a 1080p TN 144hz, wanting to bump up to 1440p. Do IPS still have shitty bleeding issues around the edges? are OLEDs still super expensive and burn in/flicker? Id like to stay on 144hz, with low MS and would prefer something with better colors/contrast/viewing angles. what would you anons suggest?

>>107259083
depends is $500 expensive?

>>107259009
It reduces GPU temps by about 3C in my O11D with an rtx4090. Tested by turning the bottom fans on and off

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can someone help me find my optical drive sata port? i disassembled my old laptop years ago and got a caddy recently and can't remember how to install it

I was gonna buy the 9060 xt yesterday, found a great deal on the 9070, then found a 9070 xt at almost the same price, damn, you really have to research 5+ websites and 3 different tiers to get the best deal you can, still gonna wait one more day to buy it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1mfs2sDP1g

wow nvidia is stupid. You can't even get replacement cables to fix the whatever it's called 6000.

Having cool engineers doesn't make your company worthy of money, you also have to have good managers.

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Is this a bug?
I played the Cronos demo on Steam to test my setup and Afterburner says my 5090 is at 99% usage while only drawing 230 watts.
Doesn't really make sense right?
If the usage is actually 99% shouldn't it draw like 500+ watts?

>>107259219
Yea, it's crazy that you could get a 3080 from ebay for $300 and it has about the same performance as the 9070.
People are selling Nvidia like it's AMD.

>>107259243
Meanwhile everyone and their mothers are trying to buy a 5090FE. Nobody cares about the poor repairability of $2000+ products these days

>>107259253
Power draw at 99% load depends on what the GPU is trying to do. They use more power in pathtracing or ultra high resolution SSAA than rasterization at lower resolutions

>>107259190
your picture sucks. you can't even read the writing.

>>107259275
They're right to want fast stuff.

However, most people buy it and then turn on all the things and now it's slow.

so, they are retards and should be avoided in all ways at all costs (retards deserve not even a smile)

going to swap sandy bridge i5 to xeon ivy bridge (yep pc is ancient) do i need to reinstall windows?

>>107259314
nope. enjoy the xeon anon, does yours have an unlocked multiplier ?

>>107259130
a little :(
how bad are IPS these days? are VA still slow and all curved?

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Get cucked Noctuafags

guys the 5090 isn't fast. It's WIIIIDE, which can make some stuff fast (like ai generation)

the 5090 isn't fast. It's not faster than the 4090, like if you're turning off everything to get it fast as possible, the 5090 isn't better.

>>107259170
interesting.. I have no clue what case to get at this point

>>107259292
ok good to know that this isn't a visual bug.
guess I'm going to play around PT and DLSS settings to see if it changes the power consumption.

>>107259430
i just dont pretend that any fucking anon in this hellhole know better than noctua or the case manufacturer and follow the brand's advice on setups

>>107259394
>how bad are IPS these days?
in that price range, much better than your TN, but much worse than OLED
VA are still slow-ish, FALD VAs and IPS got cheaper and somewhat passable

>>107259399
why would anyone spend over $50 on an air cooler anyway
a phantom spirit is like $35 and a liquid freezer iii 360 is $90

>>107259083
>Do IPS still have shitty bleeding issues around the edges?
yes
are OLEDs still super expensive and burn in/flicker?
yes
go for VA miniled

>>107259504
Aesthetics.

>>107259482
what about backlight bleeding?

>>107259510
dont VAs have ghosting/smearing and bad response times? as for miniled or other local dimming, I imagine I will notice blobs of light around my cursor and shit wont i?

>>107259399

I'll buy it. Cant stop me.

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>>107257206


Just bought a cheap ass 43 inch LED dumb TV for my 3rd monitor and i kinda regret it.
IPS glow is extremely noticeable at larger screens ESPECIALLY when it showing gray colors. Even when i calibrate the screens manually the IPS glow problem still exists. Now i have to cope with this screen for the next 5 years (or at least until it broke).
Do not cheapen out on your Screen, /pcbg/rbos.
Again, Do not cheapen out on your Screen. IPS is fine as you you buy the expensive one (my main Monitor is 27gl850 and barely has any IPS glow)

>>107259394

>>107259540
only if you get a bad panel with a low amount of dimming zones
On something like the Q27G40XMN you won't notice smearing or blooming. Viewing angles are meh though. The response time is decent, not bad but there are panels with better response times

I just bought 10x dual channel 64Gb 6000CL30 memory kits at $325 each (tax included). How did I do?

>>107259611
you just spent 3250 dollars

>>107257297
that will 100% happen on udna1 since nextgen consoles are on udna

>>107259611
Why?

might have found an absolute GEM
9700k, itx mobo, 32gb + aio for 200€
OCCT stress tested as well

wish me luck

>>107259641
Scalping (probably)

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Here we go boys

>>107257436
9070 non-xt is the best middle ground. its not a housefire like 9070xt is and is much faster than the 9060xt too

>ASUS ROG STRIX OLED XG27AQDMG
>£414.95 down from £698.99
Is this a decent deal? I don't know what it goes for I've just seen it recommended before here and I don't know if it's one of those fake black friday sales where they ramp up the price a month beforehand.

>>107259661
https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-XG27AQDMG-Anti-flicker-brightness-DisplayWidget/dp/B0CZWM44QP
ah nevermind it's one of the fake sales deals, I hate this shit.

I’m thinking about buying a Samsung 990 EVO Plus, but I’ve seen people say it only runs at PCIe Gen 4 ×2 unless you have a Gen 5 M.2 slot.

My motherboard is an Asus ROG Strix B550-F Gaming, which has PCIe 4.0 ×4 on the first M.2 slot (the one near the CPU).

Does this drive get capped on my board? Will it run at full speed, or will it be limited to Gen 4 ×2 bandwidth?

>>107259683
yeah its a bad ssd. just skip samsung entirely and get a wd_black or phison based ssd tbqh

>>107259651
>96GB
Are you gonna be doing local LLMs, anonnymouse?

>>107259683
Gen5 SSDs are a meme, just get a Gen4 with cache.

>>107259399
I don't really get buying a black noctua

>>107259651
is your motherboard used? why does it looks dusty as fuck

>>107259724
>she doesn't have a BBC (big black cooler)

>>107257206
>Budget: Arc B580, 9060xt 8gb (~$270)
I must go cheaper

>>107259750
RTX 2060 Super (used)

>>107259705
>>107259688

It's a bit hard to find Gen 4 nvme 4TB nowadays for a good price. I can get the 4TB 990 Evo Plus for 223 euro in my local shop. I'm just not sure if it will run at full speed on my board B550 board.

>>107259312
Go to Reddit and you'll constantly see people trying to trick others into choosing the FE over quieter more reliable aib models because of muh looks and muh resale value

>>107259691
No, it was just cheaper than 64GB at the time.
There was a brief few days where 98 kits were still mostly normally priced whilst the 64s were rocketing.
So I got a 98.

>>107259737
Yes, yes it is. So let's hope that doesn't fuck me.

>>107259656
yeah, I agree with you, the 9070 is very underrated, but I found a 9070 xt just a little bit more expensive than the 9070 so I'll get that one and run it at minus 30% powerlimit and as undervolted as I can.

>>107259756
It will not run at full speed when reading/writing massive files, but realistically you're not doing that too often. Random speeds are the ones that matter, and those won't get limited (and aren't that much better on Gen5 drives to begin with).

>>107259780
dont amd limit power adjustments to -10% only?

>>107259800
-30% to +10%

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>>107257206
anyone got theirs yet?

>>107259800
On Linux you can go as low as you want, I run my 7900GRE at 100W most of the time.

>>107259789

Will it still be capped if I use it as the primary driver in the first M.2 slot (PCIe 4.0 ×4)?

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I may have slightly underestimated the size of this case.
1:35 scale KV-2 for reference.

smaller cases are better to keep cool if you populate all the fan places, I wish they would make a new and smaller version of my case, the HAF-EVO-XB, one day I know horizontal cases will be popular again.

>>107259838
According to the SSD spreadsheet the 990 Evo and Evo Plus can do either Gen4X4 or Gen5X2, which is the same bandwidth, so in that top slot they'll be fine.

>>107259886

Thanks anon!

>>107259800
running any gpu at too low a limit causes instability, same with OCing it.

>>107259651
>world's worst cold boot times
why, amd, why

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>>107259924
I don't even know what a cold boot is.
This room stays pretty warm.

>>107259949
How are Brits so identifiable and filthy?

>>107259646
good luck

>>107259823
for gaming or for sloppa?

>>107259921
-30% power limit is in the driver so I assume it to be completely safe and -40% probably doable because they always undershoot stuff to have less rmas

Does Gen 5 actually make a difference in graphics cards and SSDs? All this money is for Gen 5 stuff and is it just meaningless?

>>107259853
Attack the D(esktop) point!

>>107259921
>>107260007
if you leave core clock at stock then its safe to lower power limit. once you change core clock then you're changing the whole curve and that will cause instability somewhere.

>>107259949
You probably think I'm interested in retarded retards, but as it happens I am not interested in retarded retards, actually, being considerably less interested in retarded retards than the typical shiteating tv watcher.

>>107260036
for GPUs no its just futureproofing
for SSDs yes but only if you do sustained transfers not random read/write.

>>107257519
nta and not really but unless you are doing workstation things you won't notice a difference between 4 & 5 and even 3 is really really good

>>107260036
From what I've gathered, on a Gen 5 card going down to Gen 4 isn't noticeable as long as the GPIU and the MOBO both support x16 data lanes.
IIRC going down to a lower Gen on an x4 card is heavily detrimental.

>>107257473
>applications don't even use gen4 speeds
they do. games literally start up faster and install faster. but the startup and install process is different from the random loading process.

Is AM4 fine with 4 sticks of RAM? What about 3 sticks? CPU is 37000x3d

>>107260102
>game loads 3 seconds faster, it only costs twice as much as a gen 4 drive and it runs twice as hot
it's a waste of money

>>107260102
I have never seen a game use more than 1000mb/s read speeds on my 990 Evo Plus (PCIe Gen5x4 slot). Most games in fact cap out at around 300-600 mb/s, meaning they'd be perfectly fast to load on a SATA or USB SSD as well.

>>107259611
should have bought NVMes

>>107260124
>>107260125
https://steamdb.info/tech/SDK/DirectStorage/
all these games much faster on gen5 ssd
if its not using directstorage then you're bottlenecked by win32 I/O

>>107259054
>experience with ultra wide
A place I used to work at bought them for us back in the day, and they were so great I decided I _needed_ one for home use.
So I bought the AW3418DW from dell (120hz) which was about as good as it got at the time and I'm still using it to this day. I fuckin love it and ultrawide and would never go back to a regular aspect ratio monitor.
I spend almost all my time with two windows (browser and ide, or browser and browser, or whatever) snapped to each sides of the screen and the fact that splitting the monitor in half gives you a fair approximation of a 4:3 aspect ratio makes the space actually usable rather than claustrophobic like on a 16:9 display. It's impossible to overstate how much better it is for productivity and even just idly browsing the internet. It's one of those you have to see it for yourself things.
movies are predominately in a 21:9 aspect ratio friendly format already and fill the screen beautifully. almost all games these days support the resolution (but not the even wider 32:9 which though I haven't tried it myself seems excessive). Besides increasing the immersion of first person games in a way that's impossible to describe the aspect ratio also makes other genres you wouldn't think would benefit much better too, like old CRPGs or even cozy games like stardew valley.

the only cons are youtube/anime/tv being almost ubiquitously 16:9 and the minority of games that don't work with the resolution and don't have mods/workarounds (elden ring and emulated breath of the wild in ultrawide are amazing). depends on the person but I find the letterboxing more briefly disappointing than ultimately distracting even with the mediocre blacks of an IPS, and i imagine with a modern oled any instances of letterboxing will be even easier to ignore.
so yeah i love em and i'm a shill for them. i find it hard to believe people would spend any time at all using one and not be a lifelong fan desu

>>107260183
>ea slop
>microsoft slop
>half of the list is demos
I'll pass
and directstorage also works with gen 4 drives, maybe even gen 3 too, idk

>>107256442
Youtube has dozens of videos tinkering with oem prebuilts. There are also videos covering solely old GPUs against modern games. Check them out reference. Always pick some game for reference to make it actually playable. Make sure the game of your choice not only works but has decent framerate to be playable.
Caveats:
- you can go insanely backwards with CPU gens. List time I checked, replacing Core 2 Duo with Core 2 Quad can still do some lifting. But this is truly extreme case. Usually 4790k has meme status of best in slot for being able to keep it up. But the status dictates pricing as well
- make sure you have DDR sticks appropriate for gen
- GPU is tough. Sometimes it forces going low profile unless you want to cut PC case (bad idea), then there is heavy limit with pci-e lanes, finally limited wattage on PCI-e power connector if any. It's not that easy and low profile tend to be pricey than normal
- For GPU there is recent benchmark of 180 GPUs covering a lot of years, Good point of reference https://videocardz.com/newz/pc-games-hardware-tests-180-gpus-from-2009-2025-rtx-5090-2477-faster-than-hd-5870

Ironically it requires more knowledge to not buy something wrong.

>>107259823
Muh wattage. Too poor!

>>107260006
For posting online about it

>>107259823
cool card, does it have 48 gb of vram?

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Yeah so AMD were 100% serious when they said price rises are coming

No doubt for everyone else too

Powercolor says WAIT - but just until Sunday

Increases may be 30% over today's prices

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>>107259823
one more day apparently. they needed an extra day to swap it with a brick in a box or something i guess

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Would you consider 1.375V to get RAM stable at its rated speed to be acceptable? 4x16GB 3600 CAS 16 with a 5700X3D. It has errors even at 3533 at 1.35V, though I never saw any crashes or instability running it there.

>>107260274
Great purchase if so, not only will it cover the use case by a whopping 200% it also has numerous additional applications if you ever get bored!

>>107259750
Used 1080 Ti

>>107259996
thanks to you I'll be picking it up in 3 hours :)

>>107259646
Heh the RAM alone is worth more than that.

>>107260312
that's hynix cjr 64gb? can you share your zentimings? I have the same kit, I stopped overclocking mid way through it
for you question, I don't like overvolting stuff but you could try 1.36v I guess

Got a 1440 ultrawide monitor and its making my 3060ti start to show its age.
Can I get by with a 5070 or is the 5070ti really worth the extra $200?

>>107260354
Ultrawides are for ballers and 5070s are not for ballers

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PAINT IT BLACK

LCP SHIT

33DB AT 100% SPEED

RETURN OF THE KING

>>107260312
oh, I see you're running VSOC at 1.09, I would raise that voltage a tiny bit before raising the memory voltage, like at 1.11, 1.12 and check for stability, I run my 5700x3d at 1.11 vsoc

>>107260400
their prices increased so much that they no longer make sense for any build where you care about money

>>107260400
thermalright stuff has 90% of the performance for 30% of the price

8TB on an nvme is still so crazy to me

>>107260354
Regular 1440p is best for the 5070. UW might make it struggle because it's a lot of extra pixels.

Trying to decide between the AOC Agon Pro and the ROG Strix. I have a AMD 7800XT
https://amzn.eu/d/3k7RUAV
https://amzn.eu/d/07Mwtl3

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>>107260345
>>107260408
With the RAM voltage increase fixing the errors it's probably the RAM voltage.

Not trying to OC, just get it error-free at stock and the 3600 kit ain't stable at even 3533.

>>107260428
if someone asks "is 5070 ti worth the extra" means they have enough disposable income to buy a 5070 ti

theres nothing to be gained from buying a shittier gpu with borderline amount of vram

Can I use the t705 i got on salr in my msi mag x870 tomahawk's integrated heatsink setup with no throttling? Case will be lancool 217 so airflow should be pretty good. Or should I just return and get the t710 which is also on sale and costs a little more.

Any alternatives to the Frozn A620 SE in the same price range?

I claimed warranty for that shit, because they freezer came totally bent.

>>107260296
did you expect for companies to eat tariffs themselves? you guys are retarded in there

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>>107259683
>but I’ve seen people say it only runs at PCIe Gen 4 ×2 unless you have a Gen 5 M.2 slot.
This is unpaid Western Digital / Sandisk shills spreading FUD.
990 Evo Plus can switch from PCIe 5.0 x2 to Gen 4.0 x4 according to the official spec sheets.
https://download.semiconductor.samsung.com/resources/data-sheet/samsung_nvme_ssd_990_evo_plus_datasheet_rev.1.0.pdf
https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/internal-ssd/990-evo-plus/

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>>107260437
these are my timings if it helps, I basically just tuned secondaries and tertiaries as much as I could, except for TRFC, which can go much lower, ideally I'd go for 3800 cl 17 19 19 38, but it was too nerve wrecking to me, vsoc is at 1.12 despite showing less
are you on 4 sticks? this makes it significantly harder on the memory controller

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>>107260408
Actually, 1.12 SOC is stable so far at 1.35V.

>>107260354
Im getting a 1440p screen next week to replace my 1920x1200 old dusty ass screen
I also have a 3060TI and i hope it will do well enough to carry me for a while still on that setup, if im forced to pick a new card i would end up with something like a 5060TI or a 9070 cause thats what i can swing right now

>>107260463
None of this is to do with tariffs lol back to r/trump or whatever you retard

why did people even jump from am4 to am5 there was literally no need to at all

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>>107259752
>RTX 2060 Super (used)
This phrase is an emotional trigger to some people.

>>107259542
That's okay.

I can still laugh at you.

>>107259399
its a bargain for such a high quality product

>>107259399
Based will be buying it

>>107260525
Am3+ is where it's at

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>>107260400
Fractal Momentum 14 for case airflow and Arctic P14 Pro for static pressure outperforms the 140mm Noctua G2 fans.
You buy Noctua only if you like how they look or sound (two different fans running @ the same decibel level have distinct sound signatures).

>>107260606
well show me how the momentums sound vs the noctuas then

>>107260490
Looks like I'm not going to get any sort of OC out of this. Just to check my overhead I tired 3733 at 1.12 SOC and 1.375V and it failed to POST.
Rated 3600 is all I'm going to get out of it.

>>107260525
Idk the best CPU for gaming is the 5800x3d which is BTFO by the worst AM5 CPU, the 7600x (I know it's not the worst).

>>107260612
3600 on 4 sticks is already pushing your luck

>>107260612
Why just not use XPM?

I ended up with 4x8 ram from two different kits because they stopped making the first 2x8 by the time I decided to buy the other, and whether or not that contributed they're both 3600mhz rated but only run together at 3200mhz without giving me issues

>>107260471

That's great to know. Is there any benefits for nvme with dram? Or is it so minuscule that it's not worth the extra bucks?

>>107260629
Look like it's going to be stable at 1.11 SOC and stock 1.35V. 5 minutes so far with no error. Less SOC current than 1.375V.

>>107260653
I was at XMP and it wasn't stable unless I raised the voltage. >>107260312
Even dropping to 3533 was giving me errors at 1.10 SOC and 1.35V

1.11 SOC seems to have done the trick. 8 minutes and counting stable at 1.35V and 3600 CAS 16.

>nvidia shills
>noctua shills
can we go any lower?

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>>107260611
Fractal Momentums are already fan-schizo approved; it's one of two (Phanteks T30 being the other) non-Noctua fans to get HWCooling's "Top Notch" rating.
TechTubers aren't making videos about this fan, though.
https://youtu.be/KEXqmvj1Mls?t=128

https://www.hwcooling.net/en/fractal-design-momentum-14-this-is-how-it-should-be-done-review/30/
https://www.hwcooling.net/en/noctua-nf-a14x25-g2-pwm-finally-a-first-class-140mm-fan-review/30/

I'm getting a 9070 xt and I'm surprised by how many xfx shills are out there, I though sapphire was the favorite

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>>107260681
>2025
>still being an AMDrone

Moving from a 7870 to a GTX 970 and then staying team green was the best move I've ever made. My AMD escapades from the 6770 to 6850 to 7850 to 7870 were never problem-free. What I had been assuming were Windows issues turned out to just be AMD issues. (I was getting castoffs from my BiL and building gaymen PCs for sale from parts off Craigslist, so I've gone through a lot of upgrades for myself.)

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>>107260739
That motherboard lasted me a long time with this i7 4790. (I sold the alienware for a profit after swapping the CPUs)

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>>107260749
my speccy

I'm about to build 7800x3d system, for the cooler I'm planning on reusing my Noctua NH-U14S. Do you think it's worth getting a second fan for it?

>>107260728
Pretty sure Sapphire is still good, except for the Nitro which has that 12vhpwr connector. As for XFX, I looked at HW Unboxed's 9070xt roundup a week or two ago and iirc the XFX Mercury was the only one that did well (or at least average) in every single metric they looked at.

I really want to use honeywell HT10000 thermal putty on the vram of my gpu, but my case is horizontal, the gpu sits vertically and I worry that it would, idk, leak

>>107258919
just opened amazon and ram ticked up again
golden age

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Now just waiting for the CPU cooler to arrive.

>>107258919
>>107260827
Same, the PC I built in late August now costs a whopping 200 euro more because of the RAM and a few other components.

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How can Noctua compete?

>>107260756
based speccyboomer

>>107260855
lost a ridiculous amount of blood to these bastards back in the day

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>>107258919

Holy cow, wtf, why have CPU coolers become so expensive this year?

>>107260888
Trumpiffs and Trumpflation.

>>107260888
everything costs a little bit more each year due to inflation

>>107260888
1. they are cheaper than ever
2. except for the US it's tariffs because metal is expensive

>>107260888
bidenflation

The 5070ti doesn't feel like a goated card nothing this year does

>>107257261
People were doing that when the 9070 XT was still way above MSRP. You could flash the 9070 XT bios onto most 9070 cards and get within 2% of the performance difference (with the risk of future firmware updates bricking your shit).

It's usually not worth it.

are ram prices still going up

As a youngfag (24) it's weird being in a situation where I finally, for the first time in my life, earn money after graduating from uni and getting a full time job in my field (embedded dev), yet prices are also higher than they've ever been.
Overall I have the most purchasing power I've ever had by a long shot, to the point where if current prices (in numbers) were the same as 10 years ago, e.g. an nvidia xx70-card costing 300 bucks, I'd be able to literally have a top of the line ultimate PC fully maxxed out on each part.
Like, the GTX Titan launched at 999 USD! Converted to EUR that's ~865 euro, which is just about the asking price for a 5070 Ti in my country. Imagine if the 5090 cost that much - I'd literally have a 5090 + 9800X3D PC for the price of my current midrange build.

>>107260728
Sapphire is great, xfx is great, the ASRock cards are actually mad alright. The differences between similar spec partner cards are super marginal nowadays.

>>107260931
They will be for a while now (unless magically we get better at production). These AI shitters used money they don't have to buy like three years worth of max production capacity ram that doesn't exist.

>>107260797
>Pretty sure Sapphire is still good, except for the Nitro which has that 12vhpwr connector.
the 600w connector isn't a problem on it. the reason they melted was nvidia cards drawing more than 600w spikes. navi48 won't draw power like that.
it is a great card but has some coil whine in half of games. not sure if XFX is the same there. 9070 XT is a great card if you need double the bandwith of the 9060

>>107260939
I think gigabyte is the only one no one recommends these days

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How is this mobo?

>>107260728
sapphire screwed themself by using the 12vhpwr and xfx's cards are actually good this time around

>>107260993
Yeah, it works.

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>>107260666
SSDs with DRAM generally have lower latency & faster random read/write speeds because the DRAM stores the Flash Translation Layer (FTL) mapping table.
That table informs the SSD controller where every data is located in the NAND flash memory.
Modern DRAMless SSDs store this mapping table on the PC's memory using a feature called Host Memory Buffer (HMB).
This drive will experience slower random access performance, especially when the drive gets nearly full.

The SSD's DRAM chip also facilitates garbage collecting & wear leveling (distributing writes evenly across NAND flash memory cells.
Garbage collection on DRAMless SSDs causes bigger performance dips and is less space efficient.
For wear leveling, DRAMless SSDs take more time to find the least-used block because the FTL map address is in the DRAM (higher latency).

But SSD manufacturers usually prioritize maximing drive endurance over performance for these DRAMless drives.
I'm guessing this is how Samsung is able to guarantee the same TBW endurance ratings between a 990 Pro and a 990 Evo Plus.

https://www.advantech.com/en-us/resources/news/comparative-analysis-of-dram-ssd-and-dram-less-ssd-architectures

This all sounds terrible for DRAMless SSDs, but most people don't need this level of performance. Especially PC gamers.

>>107260241
just switch to linux and use a real filesystem thats not ntfs.

>>107260916
7900XTX is the goated card

>inb4 nvidia retard

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>>107261061
AMD appreciates your funding of the RX 9000 Redstone feature set.

would it be better to get 2tb or 4tb ssd now? Are the prices really going to skyrocket too? I don't get this supply constraint stuff in covid everyone was building PCs since they the entire world indoors but nobody is doing that now I don't get it at all and saying "AI" doesn't explain it.

>>107261067
>newest version ai snake oil
Glad this doesn't work on my 7900SEXTX

>>107260517
Depending on what you play, that 8gb buffer will limit your settings. You can scrap by 8 gb with 1080p but 1440p is pushing it. Especially with newer games. Unless you are playing older or indies.

>>107261067
Wait what even the 7000 series doesn't get it? Fucking hell.

>>107261082
AI venture capital money is buying more computers then consumers ever could

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boughted this case for 29€
PHANTEKS Eclipse P200A

might not be the smallest ITX case but it supports an AIO and a normal psu

>>107261026

Thanks for the helpful answer anon. I will use the SSD for OS and StableDiffusion + Wan. Maybe some light video editing.

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Any advices regarding my pc build? cheaper ATX cases that are as good functionality wise, maybe coolers? buying on alza due having a gift card on there. my price limit is 1.6k euros.

>>107260993
It’s definitely good enough. It’s cons are wifi 6e (if you care about that), IO and that it doesn’t have a huge power margin like the 14 phase competitors

>>107261082
it's price fixing and anything can happen

>>107261089
redstone = pathtracing bullshit
rdna3 isnt doing pathtracing

>>107261129
>268x634
yeah i can't read that easily

my worry with buying rdna4 is getting locked out of features when rdna5 comes around in a year or two

>>107261195
It's a valid concern since the next amd cards will have actual hardware rt cores since Sony demanded it

>>107261129
Do you have an extra am5 cpu laying around or a computer shop willing to update the BIOS for you? I’m pretty sure that motherboard doesn’t support ryzen?9000 out of the box.
I have that same case and I love it, so I would say keep it.

>>107261082
>covid
Tail end of the crypto boom and only nerds really build PCs.
>AI
They are making data center stuff instead of consumer grade components, so the prices go up.
>why?
Retarded bubble market decisionmaking.

>>107261209
I see, thanks, will look into that

>>107261125
DRAM SSDs are better for video editing (higher sustained write speed).
Don't buy WD SN5000 or Crucial P3 Plus for write-heavy needs (1200 & 800 TBW endurance for 4TB drives).
DRAMless drives are fine for Stable Diffusion if you're just loading models and inferencing.
But you'll cause more drive wear if you download many different models.

>>107261082
The main issue here isn't consumer market, we are fucking irrelevant now. AI companies are building colossal data centers, hundreds if not thousands per year and will be doing so for the next 5 years at least. They need hardware to fill these data centers and they are buying out the entire production lines.
They bought out 40% of the global DRAM supply and in NAND case every single NAND wafer that will be produced on planet earth in 2026 was prebought by AI cartel. These same chips go into your NVMe drive. They are not buying products, they are buying wafers and they will buy everything manufacturers have.
Do you see the issue now?

swapped my 6600 for a 9070 xt back in march but i've been on the fence about moving to am5. been hunting for secondhand 5800x3ds on ebay but would that chip be a good fit for the card? the 5700x i have doesn't seem to be choking on anything outside of image compression with pngout but im just wondering if im leaving out performance on the table with this current setup

>>107261242

I guess I will look for the WD_BLACK SN850X or 990 Pro this black friday. Whichever is cheaper.

>>107261262
if you get 120fps in cpu bound scenario right now on 5700x at 1440p then am5 would push you to 144 or 165 if its x3d

>>107261239
nta flashing a bios is not that hard its more nerve wracking but its literally two clicks
can't see shit on your screenshot, this is on germany?

>>107261252
>and will be doing so for the next 5 years at least
Shit isn't sustainable

>>107261287
austria

>>107261085
i dont mind compromising on settings,i understand my next purchase has to be a new gpu i just dont want the decision to be made for me cause games literally can't launch

>>107261195
>>107261200
these only feature worth upgrading for is directx13/vulkan 1.5

>>107261262
the premium on used 5800x3ds because they're the top of the line for everyone on am3 looking to max out their platform is too high to stomach desu. yes you are leaving performance on the table but it's really hard to justify at current prices and this long after launch.
i have a 5600x and was looking at a similar upgrade but you and i both kind of missed the boat on 5700/5800x3d prices. i have an am5 board on order right now actually

>>107261294
Vanguard and Blackrock are behind the AI push and are the main investors if all aspects of the AI bubble from manufacturers to AI cartel and they are the ones pushing it to rapid expansion. They can and will burn trillions.

it's just wild how fast this shit moves a few months ago getting 5700X3D was considered a good move for AM4 but now everyone says it's not worth it and go onto AM5 it's only like 6 months later

>>107261351
5700x3d will be enough for gaming for atleast 6 more years, people are just retarded

>>107261296
https://at.pcpartpicker.com/list/LCdYnp

I used my list that has parametric filters for cheapest
>b850 mobo
>32gb 6000/30CL
>2 tb x4 nvme
>850w+ gold/fully modular psu
Then added your cpu, cooler, case and a 9070xt, picked the sapphire pulse for an extra 10€ over the qsilver, who knows if its worth it but it seems to have sold better.
1522€
I assume its a very similar list to yours, but you can use the pcpp link now to link it here and bait other anons into commenting.
This mobo should handle the 9600x out of the box if you dont want to flash the bios, the mobo you picked is a more midrange b650 this is a more modest but more modern mobo.
Let me know or just post it again next thread

>>107261351
well when it used to be well south of $200 a 5700x3d was the deal of the century
now it's not worth it because it isn't. idk this isn't complicated

>>107261351
a new 5700x3d (or 58000x3d) is now expensive as all fuck, if that was the one thing anchoring us to am4 then it makes sense to move on.
2nd hand ones are going for 260-280€ on my country.

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>>107260934
Dude the pricing situation has been fucked for the last 5 years. In 2021 I bought a skylake-x hedt meme machine for the same price i could have bought a 5600x and expected to upgrade it by now because the single thread performance is kind of ass. but its still so powerful that i would have to buy a 7700x at the bare minimum to get the exact same multithread performance

as time goes on single thread has become less important and multithread has become more important so that's like a $700 upgrade to... be able to get high framerates with a 5090 and literally nothing else? fuck that

>>107261089
yeah, because it's faster than 9070XT
we don't need it.

>>107261284
would be nice to max out my 165hz monitor in that case, although for the games i run i easily hit that figure until massive particle spam cuts the frames by half

>>107261330
been running the figures and the used chip would still be cheaper overall than moving over to am5 considering ram and mobo need to be swapped out as well but then again am4's pretty much end of the road at this point yea. i'll see if i can come to a decision in a bit

There must be more uses for high end uses high end gaming pcs to justify the prices

>>107261443
My 5.2ghz 10900k chugs on YouTube using ublock origin while my 9800x3d is just fine (for now)
The greedy kikes at Google really gigabuffed their ads in creating memory leaks
As long as webshit exists, single thread performance will always be king

>>107261496
generating ai porn unironically

>>107261496
what's there to justify gamers aren't the only customers anymore ai pacman's gobbling up all the ram on the field

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>>107261496
you can create your own video game. that should be enough.

>>107261496
Gaming PCs aren't a demanding use-case for computers at all. A single workstation PC today will have 1.5TB of RAM and it will still be considered low end.

>>107260797
>I'm about to build 7800x3d system, for the cooler I'm planning on reusing my Noctua NH-U14S. Do you think it's worth getting a second fan for it?

No, it will show as "hot" regardless of the cooler used unless you use an AIO

Just set the fan to a maximum speed & don't worry about it.

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whatever the fuck noctua is on about engineering their fans to be quieter and higher performance is complete bullshit by the way.

the noctua fans are by far the loudest ones in this case and i assure you they are not the highest performing. $50 for these things each on amazon is fucking highway robbery when they buzz like a weed eater above 60% rpm despite the fans only maxing out at 1800.

you will get better performance out of literally any other fan i am shocked at how bad these actually are

>>107261726
I'm all for populating all fan slots but this is so overkill for such a tiny gpu

>>107261252
>the next 5 years at least.
the fad shit lasts two year. hopefully there will be an antitrust bust to protect consumers on NAND. it is price fixing

>>107259504
Noctua is what zoomer faggots call a "flex".
>>107261726
This is an incredibly autistic setup that I love but also you are literally cooling nothing.

>>107261252
i wonder when this will spread to cars, tablets, phones+console prices, because gawd damn everything with a chip in it is gonna cost more, and at this point retarded CEO's have forced computers into everything that could possibly use one, regardless of whether or not they NEED one.

Apparently there's a random Ford vehicle with 4 separate cpus inside it. 4.