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What certs are we studying?
What degree are you looking to get?
Are you going to go find a job in another country?

>>107257381
No.

I'm at a consulting firm doing cybersecurity TC 160k 29yo am i cooked

>>107257429
Remove the C from TC how bad is it? I would hope your actual income is 140k right?

tech guys be like
>FUCK FUCK FUCK I'M ONLY EARNING $300K AT 25 I'M FUCKED

>>107257434
150

>>107257443
At a consulting firm I know i'm underpaid in comparison to peers, I just want to know how bad.

>>107257510
...

someone get their chatgpt bot it broke
>>107257443
That would also be double my comp in half the time, unironically makes me want to rope

all my joints hurt

i want frame buffer wm

>>107257434
140k is literal fucking poorfag wages.

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>>107257443
TAP
TAP
TAP

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>>107257443
I'm only making 70k€ at the moment.

(Except my total earnings for this year might land at around 125k€)

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Anyone hunkered down for winter? I got tons of savings and supplies. I feel like the recession will hit this year(officially)

>>107257948
trvke
my salary is literally 10x of my starting wage back in the stone age, yet if I account for inflation I had maybe 15% of real increase. If I look at my purchasing power it is even worse due to inflation states being doctored to hell and back. Fiat is such a scam, most people are taken for a fool if you use a bigger number to express the same/smaller unit of something. Honestly, we should use the big mac index or return to bartering outright.

>>107258360
This. The jews getting rid of gold ruined everything. Now I have to make AT LEAST 1M TC just to scrape by.

Was at company event. Everyone suddenly starts talking about their wives and girlfriends.
I have never even hugged a girl. I'm 32.

>>107258571
assuming you are employed with OK salary what is stopping you from dropping $$$ on some escorts?

>32
in a couple of years they will be complaining about kids, how hard it is to be a parent and coping how much they not miss being care free and/or heading for divorce.

>>107258758
I don't know what spectrum I am on or what mental illness do I have but I'm 95% of time not interested in relationships and stuff, not even sex.
I mean, I am interested in trying it at least once but I've been delaying it year after year even though escorts are completely legal here.

Unironically, should I move to Japan? I have a nice job here, but I want a better one. And I want to be surrounded by Japanese girls.

>>107258793
>mental illness

boomer here, I don't believe in 99% of mental illnesses, people being sad is not a mental illness. However if something can alleviate sadness is visiting escorts. Mental health '''professionals"' are a joke, their medications are even worse compared to scheduling a session with an escort for half the price.
>I mean, I am interested in trying it at least once but I've been delaying it year after year even though escorts are completely legal here.
you don't know if you are missing out or not unless you try it, this is seriously one of the things that can redefine your whole outlook on life

>>107257381
None, isgaf

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I didnt clock off my work computer until like, 11pm because i was having too much fun and now im up at 6am about to clock in in ~30 min
>>107257381
>What certs are we studying?
I have zero certs and zero desire to get a cert
>What degree are you looking to get?
Zero but i doubled in IT and CS but i enjoy the CS part more
>>107257948
>140k is literal fucking poorfag wages
I guess im an uber poorfag then but im happy and no i dont just keep telling myself that
>>107258571
>I have never even hugged a girl. I'm 32
I did go on a date within the past 5 years, and she fat-catfished me and told me my life was sad because i didnt desire to visit 18 countries like she did
It took me so long just to get a date and it was such a letdown that that was the breaking point where i decided to slam femboys on grindr

>>107259485
https://youtu.be/l01AMCBG0Wk

>>107257510
A poo handed clanker typed this.

TOTAL
PROJECT MANAGER
DEATH

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>>107260343
PM's exist to get cut so managers can save their asses from the next company drawdown.

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I'm bouncing between things so hard that I'm getting whiplash.

My right shoulder absolute pain since I woke up. Paralyzed. What do?

>>107261013
quark or skyr

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>manager has started putting our teams messages in chat gpt to "grade" our "professionalism"

>>107261013
vax status?

>>107261237
I ate skyr and chicken like an hour ago
>>107261250
2 shots covid was fucking years ago

>>107261256
>double boosted
it's over

>>107258034
Are you the furry leaf? Why are you larping as a yuro?

>Annual evaluation time
The absolute worst. I don't want to justify myself, look at my jira tickets or something. "Uhhhhh I focused on skill growth in..." just to get ranked against every other poor bastard by a manager who's not even technical. Are they going off, what, the quality of my three paragraphs? And if you do bad (which hasn't ever happened, but I'm always scared of it), then you get a naughty mark on your gay little report card right before Christmas to ruin the holidays. Fuck you!
>>107257948
Hell I make that and I feel great about it. Three bedroom condo, sports car, never stressed about a single bill. Can go on vacation overseas without breaking a sweat. Buy all the guitars and Warhammer toys I want. Maybe if you lived in a city or something.

>>107261342
>Are you the furry leaf?
Nope.

>Why are you larping as a yuro?
I don't need to LARP.

My son of a bitch coworker took a sick day today. What's the best way to get revenge?

>>107261519
Shit on his desk.

>>107261587
we're work from home

>>107261656
Mail him a turd.

>>107261656
Shit on your desk.

Anyone ever go from a high-paying, but high-stress job to something lower paying on purpose? I am considering this but wondering if I will regret it.

>>107261692
but anon you need to CONSOOM

>>107261692
you can always get money and "downgrade" your spending habits. you should really prioritize stress > job stability > money imo. Don't spend the first working 10-20 years of your life grinding or you'll end up fucking miserable. Even after you survive that you're going to be a bitter angry fuck like every boomer on this planet.

>>107261692
In electronic market making only for the money. Tbh there are so many soulless and scammy jobs in tech right now that at least I can say I'm 'enhancing liquidity for capital markets'

>>107261692
I went from a higher-paying medium-stress job to lower-paying high-stress job.

>>107261752
This. I've been in lower paying jobs that are way more stressful than my high paying ones. It's a crapshoot.

>>107259304
You can but you’ll never be accepted and you’ll never see the Japanese girls while you work, which will be all hours of the day and most weekends and all holidays

>>107258571
Jeez. The hug of a female is one of the better feelings out there.

>>107261692
If by "on purpose" you mean "it's the only thing you could get because everyone you're not overqualified for ghosts you", sure.

Anyone cycle or run here? Strength lift?

>>107257443
Well, yeah, that's low-income in SF.

@channel
hi

>>107258301
Sitting at your computer for 16 hours a day in a shared four-bedroom apartment isn't "hunkering down" for the winter.

>>107257259
>Hearts Burst Into Fire
that song kinda a banger tho

>didn't do what i was supposed to do
>deathcon 5 meltdown happening all across the company right now, multiple millions of dollars at stake
oops

>>107262796
Based. Just take two weeks PTOand go on a beach vacay in straya lel

>>107257443
Most devs working in US ITT probably make between 90-170k usd depending on seniority and area. The lowly tech support slaves earn more like 40-60k.

>>107263275
Nothing says "high status elite human capital" like paying $5k a month to live in a shoe box. So modern...so contemporary...
>slowly walks through the advert while suave music plays

>>107257381
>What certs are we studying?
Thinking of doing Azure and AWS certs.
I see a lot of jobs asking for them.
On the other hand I feel like it is worthless knowledge.
This is stuff you can learn easily on the job, but HR hags ask for "credentials" as if this proves your competency.
I'd rather hire someone who has never worked a specific tech stack but is a good programmer in general.
Than someone with 20 years on a stack, but who is a bad programmer.
HR hags don't get this, cause to them coding is magic, and you must have been initiated to the "arcane secrets" of a stack.
If only they knew how easy it is...
>What degree are you looking to get?
Unis in my country are shit and I'm planning to take OMSCS MSc, which is considered "the best" online CS MSc AFAIK and is not that bad compared to the good unis. And super cheap cause I'm broke.
On the other hand I am too insecure and self-studying before I start, cause I'm afraid I won't have time to study after I start.
And also I have big gaps in math, but I'm getting pretty ok with leetcode and algorithms.
I'm really enjoying self-studying math desu I'm thinking I should just focus on math and then pivot to some Math heavy field.
>Are you going to go find a job in another country?
My goal is remote. US pref, to get US salary which will allow me to live like a king here.
Even half a US salary will.

I'm also studying Chinese.
Think I have too much on my plate right now, but I'm desperate to move up and nobody will hire me despite 5YOE in Python, automation and full-stack dev, I get rejected everywhere. Can't even secure an interview.

Just had a meeting with the CEO where he ripped me apart on my strategy/process/numbers, saying it was terrible and not aligned with the business etc. even though they were all reviewed and approved by my boss, their boss, and their bosses boss before I went to the CEO. What the fuck? Am I the asshole?

Ever get so depressed that you stopped eating?

Found out Cisco is making two AI cert that you can start testing for next month. One for business one for tech.
Would that be career enhancing by getting a certified meme certificate? If company pays for it of course.

>>107263478
No I do the opposite and immediately go 4k calories a day

>>107263666
It will be taught by jeets, sold by jeets, certified by jeets, exams proctored by jeets, and the first people with the certs will be jeets, so wherever you apply to, you're going to have to appease jeets, but it won't matter, because all they'll hire will be jeets

>>107263794
You can't do this to me! I did the needful!

>>107263866
I just see two Canadians... I thought CISCO was American.

I have to go to the office once a week and I'll take any job that offers me 100% remote even if the salary is the same.
I just can't stand this people.

Currently being voluntold onto the most ass project imaginable

>>107263478
this >>107263685

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>>107263975
>that's a shame anon, we really miss you at the office! teehee

>>107264010
The only women who look like this are in HR or Marketing, and you definitely don't want to be in the same room as them.

>>107263975
>come to the office, we're more productive here
>everyone is just cahtting all day and bullshiting at the computer
>"why is this project stalled?"
After going to the office for a couple of weeks I finally realized why no one has realized I've been working 4h at most every day for a year.

>>107264021
Then how do you get the suck and fuck?

>>107262238
bump

anyone?

>Mid level guy that joined after me gets to leave my maintenance shitpile project after half assing every single task
>I have clean up after him as a junior
>Get told I will stay on this through next year

>>107264050
You fuck the junior twink to assert dominance and promote a Greek-style hierarchy.

>>107264050
My personal humanoid robot can do that in 2-3 years.

>>107262238
Everytime I'm a hostage in a meeting I start doing curls.
I have made sick gains and stopped caring about how much I hate being in stupid pointless meetings.

>>107264070
Just sandbag the whole thing until they pass the torch to someone else.

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>>107264073
>OMG now the incles are going to fuck ROBOTS! Lol!

>after more than 6 months of searching, company announces today that they finally found their new CTO
>it's an indian
How over is it?

>>107263478
I inject gray market reta and stopped eating.

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>3 YOE hell

>>107264738
5yoe and I feel like a total fraud. Couldn't do it without AI anymore.

>>107264738
>>107264805
16 yoe and every day i feel like a worthless piece of shit, I consider myself pretty good but everyone else here is so much better, I should've just kms in high school

How do I get a real job again after being "self employed" for the last 7 years?

>>107264862
I would say apply to McDonalds but even they have reported a huge surplus of applications lately sooo...

>>107264862
>>/utwg/

It must be so easy to be in a leadership position. Just spout off whatever ideas you have that day but not have to follow through with any of the leg work to implement the idea. Then take credit when it succeeds.

>tard company would rather pay the software supplier with a monopoly tens of thousands in service fees and $15 in specialized computers to migrate their software to windows 11

>instead of just buying a couple Windows 10 LTSC licenses and be set for 10 years

What the fuck is their problem? How expensive could 50 LTSC licenses be? Surely not $50k expensive. Who knows how much fucking operating income has been lost on this considering half of the the machines are out of use most of the time cause we have to keep throwing random shit at it until it hopefully works on Windows 11 FOR REAL THIS TIME 2 MORE WEEKS for almost half a year now

>>107264945
>Then take credit when it succeeds.
Or commit sepuku if it fails. That's what leadership is actually all about; being the person with the liability for something.

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Dammit, they want to do mid-year performance review meetings next week, but my face is so fucked up right now and I doubt it will heal by then

>>107265552
what did u do anon

Anyone else do zero (0) minutes of work today?

>>107265377
>That's what leadership is actually all about;

Not anymore. There's no liability for bad leadership nowadays. The long term success of companies no longer aligns with the interests of stockholders that prefer instant profit.

>>107257972
>putting away almost $40k pre-tax
>3 vacations per year
>food and date nights
>almost $20k to charity
>$10k for "misc"
>still have $7k left

what would you even need the $7k for at that point? also why are these tards dumping 18k on charity while they still have outstanding student loans, just wasting money on interest until you pay that off

>watched kpop demon hunters with my daughter
>it's about genociding all the immigrants before they take over the world
uhhhh alright then

>>107265995
That's it!! Send 1 million jeets to those racist Koreans!!!

>>107265602
When I get angry or stressed out, I hit myself in the face and head. It's a bad habit, I know

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Where to cop the 700v serial cable

>>107263343
>And also I have big gaps in math, but I'm getting pretty ok with leetcode and algorithms.
same and it makes me feel like a complete fraud despite being a programmer for a living. every time I go to learn math and find a learning guide I get completely overwhelmed by the amount I don't know and immediately give up, honestly if I didn't start young with programming I probably wouldn't be able to learn how to now, there's just too much to catch up on

>>107266052
you meme this so much i think you're a big lier

>RFP
>on call with vendor
>team lead from brand somehow found out and joins
>entire call spent having conversation about layouts and colors

I'm so angry. Some people love to hear themselves talk. It's a power move with these cunts. Fucking narcissists. We all got fucking questions, but we're respectful of everyone else's time, so we wait.

>>107257381
Azure and DevOps are the go-tos so those.

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>tfw fucked up but no one noticed.
I'm a 100% sure that at some point they'll notice. Luckily my fuck up doesn't causes any service interruptions or impacts...I just over-provisioned stuff.

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Everytime something goes wrong at work and I have no clue how or why, I lose a little more respect for myself. Every time my boomer boss fixes it and then says "we don't expect you to know this stuff" I lose a little bit more.

Then every time I meet a "software engineer" in the wild who cannot describe what he makes, what he supports, or even having any hobbies, all that lost self esteem is restored with interest on top of dividends. What the actual fuck are all these "engineers" doing with their company time

Usually if something at work gets fixed it's not because of technical prowess. It's because of autistic office politics. I just don't like the workplace anymore. None of the work is appreciated and fending for your job security feels like shit.

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>>107267441
I will not pretend to be competent myself, but where I work, when things get fixed it's because someone either pushed a particular series of buttons or did a particular series of board-level part replacements. What makes me anxious is that I cannot do that kind of shit in confidence; I don't know the individual services to kill and restart let alone where they run and what they want to touch, and I don't know what individual passives have exploded and can only barely replace one given exactly what and where it goes.

I may have lied a little bit in my interview.

Fuck work. Give them what they ask and peace out.

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But that said,
>meet SWEs, cybersec people, whatever
>they cannot tell me what they do
I am an IT Dustman.
I make sure thtat when people want to come in to play, a certain series of devices is online, talking to eachother, and generally operable by non-IT people. I work on a specific project, for a specific company, doing specific things, for specific people.

I find that programmers and similar can't say what they do and for who or when or what. Why is that?

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how do you ask the very person that hired you
>I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Please explain it to me, from top to bottom.

This isn't your diary you jeet leaf fuck.

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>>107267620
what is your job then

Why does this furnigger even have a job

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microsoft is really one of the companies of all time
>send a bunch of applications
>they've been updating them slowly, crossing a ton of them out
>they updated their career portal a few days ago, now they're using a third party login service or some shit called "eightfold.ai" (lol)
>can't sign in with my account anymore. Whatsoever. It says my email isn't recognized.
>Can't create a new account because the new login portal doesn't work and the UI is broken.
The funny thing is that the old portal was also just as broken and would brick your browser window if you clicked the wrong buttons, but at least you could close the tab and log back in to see your application status.

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>>107267653
and yes.
we live in hell.

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on a lighter note I got to see a helicopter all folded up with big puffy safety harness thingies on its various control surfaces today and it was actually pretty hot. would have given fuselage little chin scritch scritch

>>107267671
Choose your fighter. For me, it's:

> Celia Poon

>>107267671
How long until they replace those two white dudes with jeets?

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Do you truly never feel fear, self-doubt, incompetence, not even that something is a novel problem?

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My internet is down

>>107257972
Excuse me, almost $2,500 a year per person on clothes?

>>107265901
I think gifting to charity reduces your taxable income right?

>>107267726
Are you poor or something?

>>107265901
>what would you even need the $7k for at that point?
Other expenses. Duh.

>also why are these tards dumping 18k on charity while they still have outstanding student loans
Charity is tax-exempt. You save money.

You guys have any good comfy games WFH? I can't seem to find shit where I can "play a little" then drop if I need to go into a call. I was thinking of buying 2K again but I fucking HATE EA. I like doing fun mycareer modes though.

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>>107267753
dwarf fortress

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>>107267753
Baba Is You

I've been tracking my expenses for the last ~6 years
I spend an average of $100USD/yr on clothes almost half of that was on a a nice pair of shoes

>>107267829
Poorfag.

>>107267748
explain the net gain for an individual from spending $18K on charity

>>107267834
I'm not poor, just frugal

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I make 60k and consider it perfectly adequate. While the prices of things are turbo-fucked and I can't save very much, I'm not sure how normies who do manage to get jobs are doing so badly that they literally feel poverty making less than 6 figs.

>60k is perfectly adequate
>but I can't save much

>>107267843
>nigger faggot who subsists solely on deer semen doesn't understand why 250k isn't enough to put a roof over my head

>>107267843
Unless I make 300 TC i literally cannot afford to live in a bedbug crack shack and still keep my WFH job. Not everyone lives in fucking algeria you retarded nigger.

>>107266183
Ok well I'm not going to post my face here and doxx myself

>>107267862
>poverty means I can't buy a new house every year

>>107267886
poverty means being unable to save up for a house

>>107267886
Yes, actually. How else do you adapt to the changing market? Adapt or die.

sir please understand, rent for a 1 bedroom apartment is 200K/yr!

>>107267888
poverty means being unable to eat consistently

>>107263478
Anon, you need to visit a doctor asap

I can't afford to buy a 6090 every month to keep up my waifu LORAs. That is true poverty.

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techbros be like
>im so pooorrr pity meeeeee
and have never eaten a pigeon

If you make less than 500k you are objectively a poorfag through.
https://www.financialsamurai.com/scraping-by-on-500000-a-year-high-income-earners-struggling/

>>107267939
This. On top of that thanks to Biden every dollar you make gets taxed harder than the last. It is literally better to make less because you pay less taxes. Ever since they got rid of the Gold Standard they just penalize you for working hard.

>>107267939
>giving to charity
unless it's offsetting their tax burden, fucking why

>>107267953
that the tax rate is 43% on everything you make is absurd

it should be a flat tax just pay 100$ or whatever flat

that its a % just means that you get penalized for making more money no wonder they import jeets to work for less

>>107267956
You don't pay taxes on charity so you save money buy not paying taxes

>>107267963
>dude just like pay $100 tax a year idk im gonna play roblox

>>107267969
see
>>107267837

>>107267893
THIS evne if you work fully WFH you have to be in trendy city to be taken for serious it is very expensive.... but it is worth it for the big TC + RSUs on startups

>>107267963
>Yes goy pay 100$ to the government EVERY YEAR for the privilege of... Um... Uh....
>JUST PAY UP GOY!!!

>>107267993
Trolling outside of /b/ is a reportable offence

>>107267862
That furnigger is literally so poor he doesnt even realize he is poor. Zero courage. Zero gumption. It's no wonder he is a jobless faggot.

>>107267993
It doesn't lower your taxes by the amount donated, it lowers your taxable income by the amount donated. You have (in their case) $18k disappear to make your tax burden go down by $7200, in effect still spending 10 grand for nothing

>>107268023
You are literally not paying taxes on it what is so hard to undestand. Do you like paying taxes?

>>107268029
You don't pay taxes on expenses you stupid nigger.

>>107267993
You're talking to a jobless furfag. He has never once paid taxes because he's been on welfare all his life. Do not respond to furnigger posts.

>furnigger enters the chat
<<</utwg/

>>107268042
only BUSINESS expenses if you make it charity you pay no tax on paying it. so you save money. how do you think pre-AI art worked? retard.

>>107268063
How would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning?

>>107268081
But I had breakfast this morning.

What's the point of a job if I don't have a cute childhood friend wife to go back home to?

huh?

pay up piggies

>>107268081
haha this guy has been buying 4chan passes for ELEVEN YEARS

>>107268176
if I paypig for 4 more years I get access to /z/

>>107268216
there's a special board that contains all your posts, it's called /zzzzz/

>>107268242
whoa, there's one for all yours too >>>/fag/

OK OK settle the FUCK down

>>107258571
same but I'm 4 years younger than you

I had a dream the other night that I bought a cheap plot of land somewhere and one of those prefab houses to live in and I can't shake it
That can probably be done for less than 150k
Downsides? Besides the obvious "you live in a trailer/pod/cuckshed"

Gaming discords have some of the weirdest mother fuckers I've ever seen

Has anyone ever gotten a job or interview based on certs if so which ones?

yeah ok buy a house in the middle of nowhere what could go wrong

I just landed a new job and I'm about to switch sectors, from aviation to pharma (data engineer). What should I expect? My aviation client was quite fast-paced and the deadlines were tight.

haha get it, the ex-aviation guy LANDED the job

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>>107268786
Downsides if you aren't remote working is that you have travel time. Major downside is that you have alot more to fix than some random house in the suburb.

you have travel time even if you aren't remote working unless you're some kind of hermit

even if you are*

>>107269304
Yeah well what are you willing to deal with? I can handle 45 mins but anything longer than that sucks.

For me it’s a 10 minutes bike ride

>>107268786
Real downside is that nukes won't get you so you won't stop suffering the burden that is life

>>107270094
If nuclear war happened in the 1980s then we would have manifest density over the stars.

>>107270127
>manifest density
Americans have manifest densities over their bodies these days

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>>107270174

Tech brothers I went to two yoga classes to make friends, but nobody talks to each other before or after class

>>107270187
Literally me

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>>107270204
Consider MMA or any combat sports. I had a bunch of drinking buddies when i was doing that for years.

>>107257972
>three vacations a year
>6000 per vacation
found his problem

>>107270516
Worth it compared to spending it on clothes. He needs to pay off his debts and stop donating to charity. I would spend even more on the kids with a tutor.

>>107257972
>Be American
>Earn a fucking fortune annually
>Spend everything on a luxury lifestyle of expensive cars, weekly dinners, mcmansion, doordash, holidays, outdoor swimming pool
>Have the fucking nerve to complain
Families here earn like 10-20% of this annually and still save more money than these tards.
Also who tf buys cars on credit unless they are a desperate poorfag? Just buy a cheaper or second hand one.

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>>107270204
>yoga class to get "friends"
>not yoga to stretch out your body and be more flexible so your body doesn't hurt everyday
you people sicken me

help me decide bros

+ very comfy job, 4-5 hour workday, 2 hours on slow weeks
+ wordpress, so very easy
- low pay
- wordpress, so not too marketable/competition is tough

or

+ higher pay (not that crazy since I'm going from, let's just say 20k to 30k)
+ opportunity to learn new things, still wordpress but also gonna be involved in marketing/seo stuff
- hours are tracked aggressively, heard they use software that screenshots every X minutes

I'm leaning towards the 2nd one, but the screenshot thing seems like it's gonna be rough on my lazy ass

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I will never understand you fuckers who pick money over quality of life. Having a shitty 5-10 years will burn you the fuck out that you'll end up like most of those annoying richfags on social media where the only thing you can gloat about is your money.

>>107270094
Fuck ur right

>>107271036
Sounds like you're jealous of rich people

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>>107271036

Thoughts on solution vs system architects? Solution seems more fun because you actually see varied new things

>>107271607
why not both? LOL

>>107271028
If both are using wordpress I'd just stay at the first job. The only reason to switch from a comfy job to a stressful one is for a better tech stack.

>>107271623
I’m not American I can’t have two jobs

>>107271749
nobody really said if you're american or not (god you europeans are so weird) I'm just saying you pick one, you're gonna end up doing the other too.

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how much money could these companies possibly be saving by hiring jeets? FUCK
Is it seriously fucking worth basic shit like webpages being completely fucking broken and unusable? HOW?

>>107271784
They don't care.
Short term profit and wins then get out. That's pretty much all executives now

>>107271784
They are 1/8th the cost anon. Soon we will be outsourcing to Africa and Afghanistan.

I sent a thank you card to the expert on my team today for the help for the past 5 years.
Will he finally send me pics of his butthole? Let's wait and find out.

>>107271850
"Thank you kind saar for you help and doing the needful. Signed with love Sukhdeep Mumbai"

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>>107271850
B-but anon why?

>>107271877
>>107271898
I can't send him coke as a token of appreciation since this is against HR policy apparently. I will give him my full support if he plans to negotiate a raise with the manager. The reason why I am doing this? Genuine appreciation that is completely unrelated to the hopes of a butt pic.

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Anyone just now starting to feel like a robot? Every ask has been kinda dumb, it's like I'm always getting requests that are outside my job description but they aren't giving me any work that are in my job description so I'm forced to do it and a lot of it is relying on other people who aren't answering back to me. At first I started getting insanely annoyed but now I feel so dead inside. I don't even support help desk and for some reason I keep getting their work and they always push it back for some reason even though this is clearly their category.
>Person A: THING IS NOT WORKING!!! AHHHH!
>Me: frontend team can you look at this
>frontend team: ..........
>PERSON A: THIS IS CATASTROPHIC THIS COULD HAVE IMMENSE PROBLEMS
>Me: frontend team can you look at this
>frontend team: .........
>PERSON A: OH MY GOD AHHHHHHHHH WE'RE GONNA GET SUED AHHHH
>Me: frontend team can you look at this
>frontend team: ........

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>>107272170
Sam i have been stressed out for so many years over both important shit and unimportant shit that it simply does not matter anymore.

This is going to sound dumb but still. I want to see what you guys would do here.

I have to do a refactor on a component that someone else made, in a way that allows it to use different possible databases instead of being hardcoded for one. So separate the storage layer basically.

It was made by a dumb boomer who writes horrible code. Not even in a pajeet sense of not caring. He tries and cares, but can't do a good job beyond good code formatting and variable naming.

He is a good guy and I would never say anything to offend him or make him look bad. But it is what it is.

Now I either essentially rewrite the entire thing, or, just for this, continue with his design and produce a bunch fo stupid code with my name on the commits.

>>107272321
ngl I don't even know how I'm going to get another job. Just so kinda meh on all of this stuff that honestly I have no motivation anymore. I don't even understand how people can still be passionate and go OMG THE WORLD IS ENDING on their job and not be tuckered out by it.

>>107272387
B.
Don't piss off your coworkers. You can let him know to try x,y,z and make it do it himself. But find the right timing for it.

Do not fucking rewrite it without his permission though. are you retarded

>>107272430
you are right. he's a cool guy anyway. i'll make this change and leave everything i can as it is.

>>107272451
seriously what made you EVER think that rewriting someone's entire code without their permission is a good thing to do.

>>107272430
>Do not fucking rewrite it without his permission though. are you retarded
thinking that you need permission is the retarded part. looping him in is fine but it should be phrased as "hey I AM doing this just FYI, anything I should know?" and if the boomer guy isn't a total retard he won't care because there's nothing to care about.

>>107272387
rewrite it. It is not offensive to rewrite someone's code if it needs to do something else. It is extremely common for the first version of something to be dumb and hardcoded and the next version to be rewritten to be more flexible. Just don't do anything autistic like pinging him in slack to explain why his first version was bad. Do it, tag him in the PR to keep him in the loop that you needed to adjust the code to do something else and move on. This is something that I have done to other people's code and had done to my code so many times I would not even think twice about it.

>>107272480
I should add, obviously this only applies if this is some shared codebase you both work on. If this is a separate thing that literally only this boomer maintains, then yeah talk to him directly about the changes rather than going ahead with it and filling him in later.

>>107272480
>thinking that you need permission is the retarded part. looping him in is fine but it should be phrased as "hey I AM doing this just FYI, anything I should know?" and if the boomer guy isn't a total retard he won't care because there's nothing to care about.
Or be diplomatic and tell him that you got the requirement to make a component independent of the data storage layer so you need to refactor it and ask if he has anything in mind that could be affected by this change.

>>107272467

because it's horrible code

like really horrible. some devs think good code is a matter of formatting and variable, function or class naming, and its not. the logic is incredibly convoluted, all variables are global, you can never tell which side effects a change will have....

>>107272480
No cocksucker what the fuck, why would you purposely piss off your coworker.

>>107272509
talk with him first.

>>107272511

nah i wont bother. i definitely prioritize getting along with coworkers over the company kek.

i dont want to risk him thinking "he thinks my code was awful" and risk problems down the line from coworkers not liking me

>>107272511
it should not piss him off, and even then all you have to do is ask. Do you seriously live life like this? Are there parts of the codebase you work on that are just frozen in time because your name isn't in the most recent blame so you aren't allowed to touch it? I would never want to work with you.

>>107272593
Fuck you retard. Don't be autistic and just ask.

>>107272597
In all of my posts I recommended looping in the guy. The only difference is I did not frame it as "asking for permission" because there is no such thing if this is code that both of these guys "own." The idea of making it a big deal to ask permission in that case is the autistic part. it should not require an online therapy session to work up the courage to edit some text when this is solved in a 3 message slack exchange to see if the guy has any concerns (or to find out if he's going to throw some tantrum, because apparently that is a thing you are so concerned about happening)

>>107272637
>ahem in all my post i recommend looping in the guy hurrdurrr
that's u

>coworker now creates PRs where the description is just a screenshot of the output of claude's response to one of his prompts
>any feedback is met with "yeah not sure what claude was doing there, haha!"
I am either going to commit a felony or leave this industry

>>107272637
Nah but he's kind of right...

Even asking is a suggestion that I don't like his current code. That, mind you, he tried to do a good job with, and has been a software dev for longer than me.

Normies don't respond well to that. And for now, he wouldn't even be mad at me if I'm nice about it. But down the line, things like this make a difference.

If my coworkers feel negatively about me, it could mean an uncomfortable environment, even a change in the way he responds if, for example, our boss asks him about something I did, and therefore even a change in getting a raise.

I think the savvy, pragmatic thing to do here is to leave it alone. It's not my problem after all if the code is bad.

>>107272673
>Even asking is a suggestion that I don't like his current code
no it isn't. the circumstances have changed and now it needs to do something else. it was fine how he wrote it before, now it needs an update. If you are this terrified of it offending him you could offer to let him do it. Man I have literally had interns decide to modify my code and I never throw a fit over it, I just tell them "yep go for it" if it seems like it makes sense and suggest something else if it doesn't. The code needing to change is not some indictment of the person who wrote it.

>>107272653
What he is doing is the future of software engineering. Adapt or perish, old man.

>>107272690

this is different, it'd be me basically saying "all of this sucks, i'll do it all over again because that's better than working with it"

just editing it is what i am currently doing anyway

>>107272673
If it doesn't impede your current task then that's a good decision.

i gotta really pee in this meeting but I don't know if they'll call on me. it's a small group too.

>>107272743
just leave the sound on speakers so you'd hear from the bathroom

>>107272757
leave your mic on too so they hear you pissing

>>107272792
>>107272757
I remember talking to a friend in high school on the phone and he disgusted when he heard pee noise. I didn't know that was a faux pas outside "formal" stuff. I mean shitting would definitely be a wtf but man sounded actually offended.

>>107271898
what a heroic calligraphy set

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So is this really what it takes to get a senior dev job today? I've been doing web dev for 10 years now, built many things from the ground up in different languages and frameworks and I would never be able to pass this interview.

>>107272880
What a retard. Programming is about problem solving, not things you can just look up on the spot anyway.

AI knows all the stuff he seems to think is so deep.

>formatted with chatgpt
._.

>>107272954
I mean, I do understand the redditors desire for knowing about accessability, performance optimization and at least knowing about some basic design patterns.

>>107272880
>A lot of people don't even know how their apps go live.
Most of the front-end team's pipelines were made by us in the platform team. Front-end people don't really know how to deploy anything unless it's something like Vercel.

>>107272973
Why is he whining about the low skillsets of React developers when he can't even write a single Reddit post himself?

>>107272987
in my experience a lot of backend people don't know how anything gets deployed either. I manage all the build/deploy stuff alone and am the only one on my team that understands containers and kubernetes and shit like that while also doing normal backend app work. If anything goes wrong or needs to change with any of that I have 0 peers to work with.

>>107257381
>Are you going to go find a job in another country?
fuck off we're full

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>>107270925
sometimes I forget how rich americans are compared to everyone in the world, even yuropoors

Had a nightmare last night that I finally got fired. I haven't done any real work in months, no idea how I'm still employed.

how do you all feel about indians?

>>107272880
r/EdgeTogether
19 (UK) F4A looking for someone to edge with for a bit.
ActuatorOk2689 commented 3 yr. ago
Dm me 24 m

do you think he got a DM?

>>107273066
The average wage in the richest chinese city is 1100$, the most common scenario in china is that someone is earning less than 500$ per year.
As always, never trust chinese propaganda.

>>107273066
Mississippi has oil. China has rich people that have a car and eat out daily when the average american has a house.

Retards at my job don't ever respond or even acknowledge my questions about their vague requests then try to gaslight me about why isn't X done? Because you never clarified that retard. How am I supposed to act on information I don't know and you refuse to share or clarify? I can't read your mind. It is not that hard to make clear and concise directives even if it is "I don't know go figure it out" I can work with that

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>>107273107
I have no idea where you pulled those numbers out of, but China is like 5-7x cheaper than the United States. And the wages aren't terrible either. So when you take the lower wages and adjust them by cost of living, you'll see that in those cities they're just as wealthy as Americans if not slightly more so.

>>107270925
>noooo you can't complain about your struggles what about the struggles of the rural zimbabweans
Nobody gives a shit about the "#firstworldproblems" naggers by this point. Nobody is going to look at their problems, how everything keeps getting worse, and ignore it by saying "but the pygmies in the congo are having it rougher so whatevs lol!".

>>107272880
>can't even list his story without using a chatbot to format it
Astounding. It also sounds like he's trying to hire devs to also do ui/ux and architecture when that's not what a fucking dev role is.
Not surprising considering my old role got turned from sysadmin to sysadmin+trainer+architect+customization dev.

>>107273208
>Trusting AI and official statistics
Have in mind that 90% of the country is extremely poor and living in rural areas, and why yes, cost of living is much cheaper, it's not cheaper enough for the people living in under 200$ per month.
In china people are so poor that selling your children to wealthy families for a couple thousand dollars is common, and healthcare is so extremely expensive, that they would literally sue a person helping someone getting hurt so they pay their treatment.
And for God fucking lord, just look at the goddamn number you posted, 16500$ is 1375$ per month, remove the average 31.5% income tax, that's 977,37$ per month, do you even think any person earning this would be able to pay 11k$ if they broke a leg? Or afford a flat that doesn't crumble apart in 3 years?

I have an AI-written ticket at work that seems to list all of the project structure and utility code requirements for a microservice. It's just missing any requirements or specifics about the actual business logic.

>>107273407
Also they forget that kids up until their masters degree get summer military training every year since they are going to be meat in the next war while the rich chineses people chill in america and watch it happen.

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>retarded mech eng friend who got into tech only 1 year ago uses AI software dev cheating tools over like 10 interviews over the last month
>can't even fizzbuzz on his own
>gets blacklisted from like 8 places but 2 are retarded enough to give him offers
>makes more $$$ than me now

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>>107257259

>>107272387
this is literally the only usecase for ORMs anon
use one

>>107273645
How do you know if someone is blacklisted from a company?

>>107257259
I really want to work remote as a programmer but I fear I'm too ESL for that. What do

>>107272880
There's something really fucked up about engineers as a labor class. Other career fields understand that attitude and aptitude is all that matters when hiring someone, but engineers are usually insecure, arrogant, and autistic betas. Most engineering work is trivial, but engineers have a myopic view of the world and an inaccurate perception of their importance in it. They sabotage their own self-interests and quality of life and gate keep their code monkey jobs from each other with an ever growing list of barriers in the style of perpetual upskilling in the form of leetcode, system design, and inane trivia questions.

I missed my alarm this morning and woke up at 10:30. Feels good.

>>107273544
I was reading some chinese bl manga that happened in an university and first year students needed to do several weeks of military training before even beginning the actual classes.

whenever i feel a lack of motivation at work, i browse through linkedin and reaffirm that 90% of the people ive professionally interacted with have been unemployed or "freelance" for the past 2-5 years. that fills me with enough second hand despair to work hard again

>>107273981
is that really so bad?

>>107274000
i am exaggerating in the sense that most of the people that had established jobs before the wacky times still have those jobs. but that's kind of the thing, i'd say a huge chunk of my peers that entered the workforce around my time seem to drift between unemployment and shit jobs. it feels like i'm one of the few people that got out just in time. a friend who got in a year earlier than me has never had any issues. a friend who got a year later just gets fucked every turn, even with my help. both equally retarded. it's maddening

I find it difficult to respect leadership and upper management who don't have a background in engineering.

Sometimes when they or the marketing people are speaking during all hands meetings I'm just filled with the feeling of "You don't actually know what any of the things you're saying really mean, do you?"

But hey, the company is chugging along just fine so evidently its not really that important.

>>107274192
I legitimately don't give a fuck about my management's competency nor background as long as they are not being annoying.

Tfw when you realized you've wasted a decade getting the degree and working this industry for it to become obsolete when you could have just joined a frat and coasted through college and interviews into some cushy office job where you just shoot the shit and barely do anything and climb the ladder without having to grind nerd shit and not worried about being outsourced or automated
It's unironically over
To any retard who still has a chance reading this, hit the gym switch to finance and join a frat you will be so much better off. Abandon the mentality that there is any job where having technical ability matters at all

>>107273981
I'm employed but too ashamed to add the company to my LinkedIn profile.

Is college in the year 2000+25 a waste of 100k and 4 years?

>>107274311
Every other white collar job is affected the same or even worse. Translators and designers got fucking destroyed by AI.

>>107274340
Pretty much, I know it's a meme but I
do think the only opportunity going forward is getting into a trade before the flood of unemployed white collar workers shows up. Just accept that blue collar work is pure wagecucking 60+ hours a week to get by

tbf why not just become a prompt engineer then? or be the few remaining to use AI to build stuff?

>>107271762
Sounds fine as long as it pays well and I don't work too much

>>107274470
Because those jobs will be for the lowest bidder in India

>>107274541
eh i feel like most companies will want to in house that. too much private info.

>>107274470
I'd rather drive a taxi than watch a computer crap out shit code.

>>107274556
More like in outhouse from the company branch in India. Ours is in Bangalore

>>107274556
What does that even mean? Why would they care about that?

>>107273738
they sent him back feedback emails saying they "strongly suspected AI interview tools used" or similar

I have a couple of projects where nothing is really going well. I don't really care about the projects one way or the other but they keep bringing me and my group in as the "PM/BA" and like meet with everyone and try to make them happy :D
and I'm just really like I give noooo fucking shit about this anymore.

>>107274556
There's already a trend in companies I'm seeing to having some small in-house team that works either full in-office or hybrid.

>>107274578
not a great idea to introduce and get ai tools to someone in india where your whole data is at risk.

Change your mindset!
>I can't do it
______
>It's too difficult
_______
>It's all my fault
_______

>>107275010
This is a mild hell and I am a pathetic demon who deserves it for something or whatever.

>>107275010
IF I DONT WHO WILL

>>107274621
Solid 3/10 b8

>>107274470
I'm trying to be a prompt engineer, but I'm never on time!

>>107274470

There's no such thing as a "prompt engineer".

Just think, man. The whole point of AI is that it's supposed to do things by the user just asking. If you had to be some kind of engineer to write the prompt, then it'd be just regular programming.

Plus, let's say that, for any request from designers or management, the "prompt engineer" somehow figures out how to ask the AI that through some process. What prevents the AI from doing the "prompt engineering" itself and figuring out what the "prompt engineer" would say, but straight from the input of the designer / manager / etc?

>>107275529
The starbucks coffee machine was broken at a hotel I stayed at recently. They said a "Starbucks engineer" was arriving later to fix it.

>>107275641
Here an engineering degree is a masters, someone with a bachelor is called a technician

>>107275529
managers will still want to insulate themselves from doing any actual meaningful work and also have someone as a fall guy so it is inevitable that they'd hire at least 1 guy to fuck around with the AI

>>107275668
Yeah but also you get to pass with 50% and if you fail over and over you finally just do "oral examination" where you just discuss the class with your professor and then he passes you anyways.

>>107275777
Depends on the school

Obituaries in 2025 be like "the late prompt engineer, Joe Barnes..."

>>107274311
If the job is cushy, then it's going to be automated.

>>107275641
kek

That was not an engineer. He was a technician and there's nothing wrong with that.

>>107275698
Ok, good point. I suppose it makes sense that they would have a "guy" to directly deal with the AI.

But then there is a problem still: The main thing that sustains our lifestyle as software devs would completely collapse.

We are incredibly sheltered by the fact that programming can't be learned by repetition so normies suck at it (everyone is "learning to code" yet salaries aren't substantially decreasing), women are too dumb to do it (notice how there's barely any women devs, and the ones there are are dumb as fuck), and indians are too dumb to get it right (indians have coding jobs because so many retards keep trying to outsource. but if indians actually could code, it would be like with manufacturing in China. coding would be an indian thing and we would have no coding jobs at all. because obviously, no one would pay a huge premium for white devs if indians were good).

Furthermore, demand is huge, compared to what it would be if companies had even one "AI guy" per software project, which is a lot already.

If these circumstances disappeared, we'd be fucked. Demand would be a small fraction of what it is. And even for the remaining demand, they would not hire you or me, they would hire some guy's cousin, or some foid or nigger for a quota.

If AI could code, we'd be fucked. I don't know how anyone would unironically be so unintelligent as to think he'd get by just fine as a "prompt engineer". Jfl

staff fe vs senior be; which is better long term /g/ bros

>>107274192
Having a background in engineering doesn't necessarily make you a better leader or manager.

>>107275529
>Give me a prompt to ask an LLM to do X
Yes that's already a thing.
In fact, you can have a cluster of LLMs role-playing with each other to answer to a question. This is what they call "agentic AI" and improves the quality of the replies a bit.

>>107274311

Lol

It's not about to become obsolete. The actual job takes general reasoning beyond what AI can do or will be able to do in a long time.

If anything the whole "bro don't study that, AI will do it anytime now!" (some idiots even go as far as to think AI already does our jobs but somehow they're still hiring), will make salaries even higher.

For the "cushy office job where you do nothing", you need to network and play games. For this, the intelligence requirement shields you from most competition.

>>107274311
>when you could have just joined a frat and coasted through college and interviews into some cushy office job where you just shoot the shit and barely do anything and climb the ladder without having to grind nerd shit
that was never an option for me
it's good to see a normalfag poser eating shit though
get fucked

>>107275960
staff obviously

>>107276016
switching companies for a better role is just such a hassle but fair; thanks anon

>>107273906
Grand scheme of things not alot of training. One would consider it familiarization the way that Russia has been doing it since the 1950's and still does it. A little bit of exercise followed by class instruction, marching and then some shooting at the end of it. Ofc they can't afford everyone to shoot so they just leave it to the college kids to throw some rounds down range.

Its no replacement for actual military training but its better than nothing really. Think of it like JROTC but mandatory for couple weeks out of the year since elementary.

is it too late to quit my job and make ai videos of hot girls dancing to tears by sabrina carpenters

>>107275990
This is grade A copium that market has been shite for years this is the same cope they said 50 years ago about manufacturing jobs coming back

>>107276100
>AI
No way to late for that. You can make rigging models for Vtubers and VR chat and still make bank. I am talking about 10k+ USD a month but it does in fact take about a month to finish creating it so there is that factor.

>>107276125
Do you not even notice the contradiction?

I am not coping about any jobs coming back. They don't have to come back, they never left. Only a fraction, so what.

Like I said, if indians could do a good job, NO ONE would hire any white people. It's so much more expensive and wouldn't make any sense.

>Dev jobs are coming back any day now! Today, once again, I checked linkedin for software dev jobs in the US and there was nothing. None. But... Don't give up! Just two more weeks!! And they'll come back!!

Do you unironically think I was saying that? Or that it would even make sense if I did?

>>107276185
is fillian a dude

>>107276200
Most Vtubers are ex porn stars. But plenty of them are men just like the playboy models.

>>107276198
>r*ddit spacing
Go back there's no updoots here for being delusional about the state of the market

>>107276302
Kek what a retard, that is not what reddit spacing is.

You don't even know what reddit spacing originally meant or why it was said.

What state of the market you fucking retard? You're so dumb. Don't you understand that if either AI or indians could do a software dev job, NO ONE WOULD HIRE?

It wouldn't mean a few layoffs, it would mean NO OFFERS? Can't you grasp that idea?

Plus people are still making 100k+ out of college anyway.

Lol someone is seething hard after getting called out. Repeating blatantly untrue things won't make them true

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God i wish i could feel comfy instead of being exhausted for a change.

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START A DAMNED NEW THREAD BEFORE I PISS MYSELF

>>107276694
take a sick day

>>107276754
I would start a new thread but I'm an unemployed incel so I am not worthy

>>107272880
> most people don't know how their apps go live

To be fair at most companies this would be a devops job or someone working on infra rather than just the programmer. It also really heavily depends on the cloud or on prem architecture. Then there's scalability, resource cost and so on. I don't expect most devs to be able to answer questions about deployment correctly.

>doing my benefits elections for next year
>increase my AD&D insurance coverage
yeah i'm not really feeling lucky about next year
at least my family can get something out of it

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>>107277236
I hope they get none of that and you live to the ripe old age of 135.

>>107273208
> I have no idea where you pulled those numbers out of

Not that anon but I can tell you first hand, as I have been there several times with my Chinese wife, those people's lives are fucked unless you have connections. Huge swaths of their population are poor as fuck compared to the average American. I doubt you've ever seen an outhouse let alone used one like I did in someone's house there. Their infrastructure is a complete sham. Total shit. I don't think there is a straight sidewalk in that entire country. Look, I liked Chinese people because for the most part they are super nice and polite. But their country is just fucked. You need to actually go there and experience that place outside of the center of tier one city. Even the urban people live like slaves to their jobs but I guess that is entirely another conversation.

>>107277403
People around the world would be speaking mandarin or cantonese if japan had the same health and safety standards of japan.

>>107277282
I don't even want to live to 035

t. 38 year old

>>107277435
I see your mistake but I understand what you mean. I still don't agree however. Asians are bug people. They are the opposite end of the spectrum from blacks/browns. What you are essentially saying is "If Chinese people were like whites then they would usurp whites". If they were going to they would have a long time ago given their population numbers (the real ones anyway).

>>107277473
True but china would be in much better position if it gave a shit about its people in any capacity like the japanese at least pretends to do so. Korea isn't even as clean as japan.