>On Oct. 19, Tokyo District Court ordered Cloudfare to pay approximately 500 million yen in damages for hosting pirated sites of popular Japanese manga.>Kodansha, Shueisha, Shogakukan, and KADOKAWA notified Cloudfare from April 2020 to Nov. 2021 to stop piracy sites but Cloudfare continued to make them available.https://www.47news.jp/13477586.html
Damn that's like $500
>500 million funny moneiesLike 30 bucks USD
>oy vey I was raped 20 gorillion years ago, pay up
>>107260495>>107260500It's not about the fine though.It's about how retarded the judgement is.How is cloudflare liable here?They're protecting the piracy websites from DDoS, which is illegal.
>>107260475it's crazy that in some countries law is regarded as something that should be consistent and make sense and be fairand in some others it is openly just whatever the guys at the top say, regardless of any potential contradiction or precedent
>>107260552you're such a NPC lmao
>>107260614>nooo let publishers DDoS piracy sites!!>p-piracy is le theft!!
>>107260552don't they also have a CDN? That is probably what the publishers are complaining about.
>>107260586Where is this not the case?
>>107260586>it's crazy that in some countries law is regarded as something that should be consistent and make sense and be fairSuch as?
well cloudflare still supply services to mangadex
Why do websites even use cloudflare anyway? How hard can it be to set up basic DDoS protection on your server?
>NOT MUH HECKING ANIMERINO GWEILOOjust stop producing that crap so no one can steal it, problem solved
>>107260961cloudflare will ddos you if you don't pay them
>>107261016source:
>>107261059if you run a site that has any kind of controversial content whatsoever, and you don't pay the cloudflare mafia, some random group of "discord trannies" who also happen to control a botnet with tons bandwidth and IPs will show up out of nowhere and DDoS your site into oblivion. draw your own conclusions.
>>107261059FAFO
>>107261093>I have zero proof but you should trust me anyway
>>107261115what does it matter if it's cloudflare, glowies, corporate shills, or some other group? I've seen this happen to more sites than I can count, it's the sad reality of the internet we have. "basic DDoS protection" will get you nowhere as soon as you have any sizeable userbase, just look at how much effort Josh has had to go to to keep his autistic eceleb gossip site online after being dropped by cloudjew.
>>107260623>p-piracy is le theft!yes. you can cope all you want about how "theft removes the original" or "i wasnt going to buy it anyway", but you are no different than a gibs me dat nigger.
>>107261214>you can cope all you want with your actual valid reasons, I'm just gonna call you a nigger while I keep sucking off the jewish media without providing any kind of coherent argument at all
>>107260961I imagine piracy sites use it as a free reverse proxy.
>>107261311>actual valid reasonsyou need to be 18 years old to browse this website.
>>107260961Hides the IP of your server, CDN that reaches anywhere, actually pretty good about stopping bots, ddos protection is about how much bandwidth you can absorb
>>107260475They are going after DNS services too
https://x.com/kadokawa_corp/status/1991070657741021641
>>107261643retarded jap boomers
>>107260475>publishers suing cuckflare
>>107261115>ddos comes from cloudflare IP range>zero proof
>>107262448>ddos comes from cloudflare IP rangeno it doesn't, that would be a huge scandal
>>107262461Nigger do you have any idea how many times that shit has been shown to have happened over the years? Just because what basedtechtuber you watch hasn't covered it yet doesn't mean it isn't real.>waaa spoonfeed me!Go fuck yourself.
>>107262448>ddos comes from cloudflare IP rangeAnd the proof of that is where?
>>107262476>i totally have proof!>no i can't post any links or give any sources
>>107260552They literally serve the data, retard.
>>107261214nobody asked for your jewish opinion
>>107260552that's not how it works. A) they serve the content through their servers and B) those servers are located in Japan. Cloudflare rightfully lost this lawsuit and hopefully more countries take jabs at them for ignoring the laws of the countries they operate in.
>>107262448It was real in my mind
>>107260475>>107260552Based. If Cloudflare wants to block my access to bad sites, then it is their fault if they don't block access to bad sites.
Every week in Spain ISPs shut down access to cloudflare to prevent soccer piracy sites from working, even though it makes most of the rest of the internet inaccessible too. https://torrentfreak.com/laliga-says-isps-joining-its-piracy-war-is-mandatory-for-broadcasting-rights-251118/
>>107261214The only single reason anime and manga are popular around the world and movies like demon slayer and others rack in gorillions in cinemas, is entirely thanks to piracy.If they don't want people to pirate their books and shows, they should either give easier legal access or meaningfully reduce the prices and bullshit translations.
from the court filing
>>107260475Why is Japan so kiked in regards to copyright? My CFW consoles could get me jailed over there.
Just let me read manga in peace dammit, every few months there's something new, Mangadex, Tachyomi, Comick etc.
>>107264099Bookwalker has been running for 15 years.
>>107263809media is pretty much their last remaining industry other than tourism. they're not a manufacturing hub since the 1980s
>>107264099learn japanese and use nyaaonly way to enjoy manga for free forever
>>107260552>How is cloudflare liable here?Because they choose who can use there service. Once they started kicking legal websites off their service they opened up this whole can of worms.
Why is cloudflare stealing Japan's manga?
>>107263763So, it is Emperor Jewpatine's evil scheme to steal Japan's manga. Makes sense.
>>107264889>>107264896>>107264911Jesus christ man witty comebacks don't work if you fuck them up the first time
>>107264923three times kek, has to be intentional
>>107260495>>107260500$3.2 million but you knowfunny money you could just pay right now, right?
>>107264481nyaa has a rather poor selection and the quality is garbage.Buy the digital versions and remove DRM.
>>107265125>Buy the digital versions and remove DRMNot being able to share the de-DRMed version defeats the point of piracy retard.
>>107265159There's no incentive to share them.
>>107265190>There's no incentive to share themHow do you think piracy is still continuing?
>>107260552USA company USA laws, under their rules CloudFlare is not doing anything wrong
>>107265245Yep. I wish they'd just leave the Japanese market in retaliation, but the fine is so small that they'll pay it and continue with their business.
>>107265212Piracy isn't exactly thriving.
>>107260552they're probably just testing when "service" becomes "infrastructure" in burger interpretation, under some paltry fine
>>107260665America. The president decides what laws are enforced because the police and military are loyal only to the president.
>>107260475Cloudflare is pretty much the place for piracy. They were used one of the biggest anime streaming sites for the longest time I can remember (KissAnime). These guys were raking in $100k/day. They are used by every big Japanese porn streaming site. Overall we're not talking small millions, but billions in damages that Cloudflare lets them get away with. One wonders how the hell those guys get away with it, and why they don't ever get caught.
>>107260475based fuck cloudflare
>>107265370>They are used by every big Japanese porn streaming siteNotable example.https://myip.ms/info/whois/104.26.4.14/k/4208693813/website/jav.guruCloudflare is the piracy wrapper protection site.
>>107261214no ones paying 2 dollars per chapter on a 500 chapter manga.If they want me to actually pay for it, it needs to be reasonable price, translated properly, accept visa or at least a bank transfer(NOT fucking konbini pay or cryptoshit) and be downloadable offline.
Trump should sanction Japan. This is an attack on an American company. The PRC would do the same
>>107265370For this ill forgive them for the 40 seconds of "checking if your connection is secure".
>>107264126Japan is still one of the largest exporters in the world and they have near monopolies on a lot of scientific, lab, medical and industrial equipment. Japanese cars alone are like 5% of their GDP and eclipse anime and manga.
>>107265026I mean I couldn't but cloudflare probably wastes that amount on some simple inefficiency weekly
>>107264126That’s a pretty good point.
>>107260614ironic
>>107263809It really isn't though. I've lived in Japan for over 20 years and used every kind of file sharing that exists without a VPN, never gotten any trouble about it. My friends (Japanese) all torrent anime and none of them have ever gotten any trouble about it either. Like in the west, it's just a bunch of propaganda pushed out by the big companies, and then once every few years they pick someone to make an example out of.
>>107262448Most DDOS-homos are ~30yo script kiddos renting out fly-by-night server space from europe or new-york or hacking old routers, not cloudflare assassins.>>107264126Completely wrong lol.
Who is behind Cloudfare?
Interesting legal precedent. Will cloudflare just pay and continue on as normal? Will this lead to fines from other countries for cloudflare protected content? Will cloudflare just stop providing protection and services for said publishers? It would be very funny if KADOKAWA et al were all cloudflare customers too.
>>107261214The western anime and manga industry is built off of piracy. The whole reason a lot of media got as big as it did or found an international market at all is because of people circulating unofficial copies. It's why sites like CR trying to rugpull peoples' access to anime and strongarm money extraction through an assumed monopoly is hilariously ineffective at best and a gun to their own temple at worst. The nip companies don't seem to understand that a ton of their sales come only because of someone's exposure to some media through online piracy to this day. Pirates are unironically their biggest paypigs and they use them as scapegoats for everything. This isn't new at all or even exclusive to Japan or manga.>https://www.techdirt.com/2011/07/28/another-day-another-study-that-says-pirates-are-best-customers-this-time-hadopi/>https://www.wired.com/story/european-piracy-study/>https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/04/us-government-finally-admits-most-piracy-estimates-are-bogus/>https://www.pcgamer.com/bittorrent-study-finds-game-piracy-not-as-rampant-as-some-have-claimed/>https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2008/10/dodgy-digits-behind-the-war-on-piracy/>https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2008/01/oops-mpaa-admits-college-piracy-numbers-grossly-inflated/
>>107260552>How is cloudflare liable here?>>107260586->>>107261425>>107264833Not just. They started off complaining about copyright infringement, and when cloudflare didn't take it down they went to court. US courts ruled cloudflare should hand over data as to who's servers them is CDN'n for, and cloudflare failed to comply.So they went to court in .jp.
>>107265212Because cloudflare like to host crime.>>107265450>sanchun Japan.I really think he should. You need more retaliation when your economy is swirling the toilet, held afloat by datacenter construction and an AI bubble that's about to burst and take the former with it.>>107270188Not really the 'right' question, as that's all public.What you *should* be asking, is how they can choose to ignore a court order from the country they are headquartered in...
>>107270490Do you have any studies done after 2011?In Europe Anime and manga were big in the 90s, well before the widespread online piracy.For English at least anime was big back then and manga is still struggling there.
>>107260961>How hard can it be to set up basic DDoS protection on your server?lol
>>107260475>First let jew write your constitution>then use that constitution to spread feminism>then empower women and subject men to non-stop working hours>then make young girls lonely>then make hentai and loli porn to prey on young girls>situation is so bad that it is literally legal to masturbate thinking about having sex with toddlers and childrens>worse is fucking school children is the normal libidal practice >have underground stage shows where young girls dressed in school dress sings and dance in loli voices and the audience is full of boomber class; no young man in sight>desensitized young men resort to anime and manga and use piracy to feed their void>then make it illegal tooThe boomber japan might be worse than American boomers.
>>107264911They did that in 2007
>>107261214Youve angered the white chimps amd indian monkeys
>>107270603I'm gonna have to side with cloudflare here.Fuck anti-piracy japanese publishers.
>>107263809>My CFW consoles could get me jailed over there.Yeah, i wonder who's fault was that?
>>107273227Another word from you and I'm calling famits/v/
>>107263763scientifically accurate, peer reviewed, Fauci approved chart
>>107260475>piracymfw treated like crime kekI have cuckflare but they did nothing wrong and no pirate ever has.
>>107262477well, it would be obvious that if cloudflare was behind ddos, they wouldn't use their own ip ranges, now would they....
>>107265245>piracy is protected under US lawlmao
