The progress in computers and consoles is over. Early consoles increased a lot with every generation. Now they barely change.PS3 had blu-ray, PS6 still has blu-ray, or maybe it won't have optical drive at all!The CPU from PS4 to PS5 barely improved. Memory only doubled. Almost no difference between PS4 and PS5.Plus the games - old consoles had games, great games. Now only slops.Progress is over, in fact we are actually regressing. Video games and computers are over.
genuinely what were sony thinking with the ps3 cpu
>>107271025Is it bad? GTA IV and V works on PS3.Most games do not have such physics and so many cars and NPC with ragdoll and euphoria. It should be enough for 95% of games.
>>107271025It actually forced devs to optimize their own engine instead of using unreal slop
>>107270998your an anti technological consumerist retardyou should kill yourself in a violent and spectacular manner.tech has two phases: new designs when new shit comes in and incremental improvement, when said designs are refinedat first you see big jumps because new tech brings new capabilitiesthen you see slower, incremental jumps because the design gets refinedits likeat first you upgrade from an axe to a chainsawyoure gonna work way fasterand then you upgrade to a better chainsaw, where you will work only slightly fasterholy fuck you /v/ermin are dumb, and annoying
>>107271033It just seemed an odd choice to have a single core with a bunch of vector units expected to do the heavy lifting in a system whose target industry is known for speedy development.
>>107271049>tech has two phases: new designs when new shit comes in and incremental improvement, when said designs are refined>at first you see big jumps because new tech brings new capabilities>then you see slower, incremental jumps because the design gets refinedSo do you actually agree that now there is no progress and we are over?
>>107271049>design gets refinedExcept that's not what's happening; games are worse now. There's no point to getting a PS5 when you can download Parasite Eve II off PSN for your PS3, PSP, or Vita.
>>107271085>games are worse now.thats not hardwarebut yeah, from a company's point of viewbeing able to make as much/more money with less effort/costs is a product getting refined.its technology 101.pr*duct (development) cycles, what goes into it
>>107271096>>107271116cont.in other words, actual technological considerations, not /v/erminshit consumerismand computers steadily improve.if you programmed you would see that by yourself
>>107271116>>107271136(cont of cont)finally found itthis describes what happens pretty well
>>107271025>genuinely what were sony thinking with the ps3 cpuIt is at least 10 times more powerful than PS2. Why do you think this is slow? GTA San Andreas run on PS2.
>>107271025Great things, too bad we never got the CPU Sony actually ordered. Cell we got isn't what Sony wanted to use.
>>107270998>>Almost no difference between PS4 and PS5.>11.84TFlops vs 10.3TFlopsok...
>>107271191This is only 5.5 difference. Do you know how little that is?If you take a quad (two triangles) and split it into 4 quads (2x2), now you need 4 times more TFlops but graphics barely increased in fidelity.6 times is nothing. Difference between PS1 vs PS2 and PS2 vs PS3 was much bigger.
>>107271096There's a third phase: streamlining and extraction. The technology becomes mature and effort shifts to lowering costs and widening access. Features that are more costly to implement get cut. Content production is handed over to people of lesser ability because they have lower costs. Tools focus on making it easier and easier for increasingly less talented people to generate content rather than enabling the highly skilled to invent something new. It becomes a race to the bottom as competition focuses on expense reduction to increase profit margins. This continues indefinitely until either the product becomes so terrible that no one buys it anymore or an outside force upends the market with a completely new platform.
>>107271116>>107271136>>107271149Console hardware is getting worse in certain respects:>the potentiometers are complete dogshit nowHall effect sensors are a good way to prevent stick drift, but so are actually good potentiometers. My DualShock 1 has been continually used since the 90's and still experiences zero drift because it has good potentiometers, whereas modern controllers get drift after mere months.>pressure sensitivityThe PS2, PS3 and original Xbox controllers all had pressure-sensitive buttons and countless 10/10 games made use of this functionality. Modern controllers, however, don't.>I/OOptical drives are being phased out, CD functionality was phased out a long time ago, different aspect ratios are no longer supported on consoles even though the PC ports of most modern AAA games still support 4:3 monitors, and though this is technically a software issue, the PS5 doesn't let you use HID controllers like you could on a PS3.
>>107271244Uhm yeah? It's the same for PCs.With 7 years we went from 66MHz Pentium 1 to 2GHz Pentium 4. Almost same timeframe from PS1 to PS2.
>>107271191>11.84you mean 1.84
>>107271288Doesn't mean progress is stagnating though, even on the consumer market, CPU and GPU performance almost doubled in the last 5 years, biggest jump in the past decade and half.
All these TFLOPS and games still look worse than they did on PS4 (PS3 in some cases).
More complaints about physical media from zoomers who think a cd is a collectors item
>>107271272read this again:>>107271116you need to understand that the objective for a company, esp. publicly traded ones is not to provide value, but to make moneyand providing value costs money to the companywhich lessens its profit because profit = revenue - coststhis is babby shit, veethis is fucking, not even tech, its functioning in society 101
>>107271033It was less about the processor being bad and more about developers not really understanding how to get games running on it. You can actually notice a pretty noticeable difference between some Xbox 360 and PS3 games in terms of resolution and frame rate (GTA IV is actually a really good example, the 360 looked and ran better.) Don't forget about all the Bethesda games as well. This gap did narrow later in the systems life. I would still argue that the processor wasn't bad. Some of the best looking games of the 7th gen like Metal Gear Solid 4 came out on the PS3.
>>107271361Right, but the claim I was addressing was that only the software has gotten worse.
>>107271025doubt you remember this since you are underage but in 2006 absolutely zero software was capable of utilising multiple cores. people writing software were physically incapable of parallelism.and 3.2GHz was fast.
>>107270998Zoomer spotted
>>107271382>>but in 2006 absolutely zero software was capable of utilising multiple cores>multithreaded programs didn't exist in 2006 or before on x86, because SMT and dual CPU was a thing, even on the consumer market>there weren't other CPU ISAs like PPC on the consumer market with even 4 cores and plenty of programs utilizing them
>>107270998it's called "enough"
>>107271361We need to end capitalism and go back to communism. We need to create quality, not profits.
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>>107271025They listened to devs who said they needed more power then the devs complained since they were too dumb to use it
>>107271377its actually better for the companyits just that all you can perceive is your consoomer's perspective, like an autistic tardmake an effort, idk, maybe do a dopamine detox while youre at itthat direction is unavoidable because the market follows the path of revenue maximizationits called fiduciary obligations. picrel.its a fancy way to say ceos are beholden to their duty to maximize revenue for the shareholders.which translates into gutting a company because once a product had been created,you dont need as much people working on it to maintain itnormally these people are redirected to develop new productsbut ceos just fire them to maximize revenue, but only for a short window of timebc its a cost that companies usually have, but which gets removedwithout that cost companies dont innovate though, and so end up being lazy and milking the same shit for years on endthats why everything turns to shitcomponents arent affected by that because theyre driven by the fact devs want to minimize their costs by writing unoptimized softwarethe cost of that is offset to the end user, bc they have to upgroodand tech companies make a killing on itwhat i wrote above applies to vidyaslop and servershit alikeservershit is also, rolling durms, programs. liek vidyaslopand like vidyaslop corners are being cuthw manufacturers make their money by supporting that race to the bottomand dis be how things do be like
>>107271467>its just that all you can perceive is your consoomer's perspectiveYeah? Why should I give a shit about the company? Their responsibility is to make good products, and if they don't do that, then they're not entitled to trade.
>>107271421im currently sitting under a bllankie made in a communist country.its ~1.7m long (5.5ft).you have to turn it by ~30-40° because its too short to cover the whole body otherwise, you have to leverage the diagonalsthis was done to make as much blankets as possible for the least cost possible.this is communism. you dont want that, trust me
gay threadbut what was the discrepancy between PS2 and PS3 emulation?something about the PS3 guys having access to more devkits or something?
>>107271481yeah but i dont give a shit about your butthurt whiningyour topic is reddit tier
>>107271493Are you a Sony employee or something, mate? You said the hardware hadn't gotten worse; it has, and now you're saying I only think that because I am the end-user of said hardware. Yeah, no fucking shit!
>>107271497your ops picrel itself says the opposite. explicitly
>>107271497>>107271513that was equivocali meant>> You said the hardware hadn't gotten worse; it has,>your ops picrel itself says the opposite. explicitlyi meanfukken read it anonalso this is 4 keksi wont commiserate with youill call you a poorfag and berate your poor taste in vidyaslop
>>107271526Anon, why are you typing like you're having a stroke?
>>107271533what? you cant follow?ask chat gpt kekunironically. if you dont understand what im communicating, that means i pile up too many concepts at once and you just cant follow.chat gpt can un-stack that for you
>>107271561No, Anon, your grammar is extremely haphazard, you type exclusively in lowercase, you do not use any sort of punctuation outside of a handful of occasions, your spelling is disappointing, and you abuse the Return key. You have done everything in your power to make your arguments unenjoyable to read.
>>107271600eyi made an effortyou got white lines thrown into the mixi am a generous god.i think you should worship me.
>>107271434>posts anime>calls others gayWhat's your grindr ID ?
Progress is over.
Gaming is finished.
over
done
Finito
>>107271025It wasn't Sony, it was Krazy "I made the PSX which was a worldwide success story" Ken Kuturagi that made it.Why do you think the PS4 and 5 were made by Mark "I made Marble Madness!" Cerny after?
>>107272486Maybe PS3 wasn't great but at least it had decent games, which is the most important thing.
ok
>>107271434don't kill yourself over an llm zoomie!
>>107271025they deluded themselves into believing developers arent lazy cunts and were willing to learn and optimise for an obscure architecture
>>107270998you can see the onset of game developer bloat in this image
>>107271401No one called it psx turdie
Most of the games today would run on the ps3 if they were optimized enough, modern consoles are made for "realistic graphics", not innovation.
>>107271025IBM said long pipes with high clocks were the future as new lithographies released. Sony stuck with it and it led to being forced to change designs and many delays. Turns out there was a heat ceiling so chips couldn't clock to 5ghz and ran way hotter than expected, had shitty IPC due to a long pipe. The GPU variant of the CELL had to be scrapped inability to fab them and the CPU CELL has SPE reduced to 8 with 1 deactivated for yields. The idea for SPE wasnt bad, effectively 7 128bit(divided into 2 64-bit) SIMD accelerators similar to modern AVX. It proved to be very good for physics and post processing as evidenced by some late games like last of us and uncharted: whatever the fuck, pulling off things the 360 could never dream of with its more normal PPC CPU and ATI GPU. But it also meant that most ports for the PS3's weird architecture ran worse unless they were optimized properly when using off the self game engines.
>>107273732Before the PS2 calling it the PSX was very common. The zoomers gaslight has been proven false. It was in the magazines and interviews all the time. It was always either PLAYSTATION, PSX and only after the slim did you see PSONE
>>107273890Before the ps2 it was called the playstation retard, you probably only got one 10 years after release because you're a turdie and your parents hate you
yes
PS5 supports 100gb discs, the image is wrong.And there's no affordable alternative that can be mass produced. ROM storage like SD memories or Switch carts are too expensive, which is why NS2 is getting so many gkc releases.
>>107270998GPU rasterized performance won't scale anytime soon because of fsr/dlss. Ps6 is going to be around 37 tflops, so only 2x(vs ps5pro)/3x. At least tv resolution will also stagnate and 4k will stay for quite long,until they find more use cases for very big displays.Basically innovation will mostly benefit to AI, graphic performance will be secondary and optimization algorithms will be all the rage.
>>107276498>Switch carts are too expensive, which is why NS2 is getting so many gkc releases.Nah, that's genuinely just publishers being cheapskates.
>>107272486Kutaragi was based. We went from full backwards compatibility, OtherOS, free online, SACD support and so on under him, to not even having a browser. I still use my fat PS3 as a DLNA client for my CRT.
