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TWO great threads?

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>>107289604
https://rentry.org/botmakersecretsanta3
botmakersecretsanta@proton.me
Entries open until the end of November.
11 entries so far.

I fucking love chatbots!

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>>107289601
The "rape" tag in chub.ai is more popular than the "wholesome" tag.
Take a moment to think about that

>>107289789
Is it that surprising? Rape is popular among both sexes, it's only recently that people started to vocally virtue signal about how it's bad online while secretly reading the stuff.

>>107289789
chatbots are mostly used by women and women fucking love rape

>>107289789
>one of the most popular kinks for both men and women is popular
What a surprise.

>>107289789
wholesome is a pretty weird sounding tag

>>107289789
the least surprising info for anyone actually looking at what people like vs what they say they like

>>107289593
>>107289717
>deepseek temps
worth noting that the official API interprets temperature differently, because the deepseek API devs were presumably dropped on their heads a lot as children
so 1.85 could either be 1.15 (a bit spicy) on the main API or actual 1.85 (Hurricane Retard) on any other provider

>>107289864
this is why I set mine to 0.62

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Trying to coom with Nvidia is like reading HxH. All thinking, no climax.

When the fuck is Deepseek going to be unfucked? It's my bare minimum and I don't even have that anymore.

>>107289889
is that 0528? what the fuck did they do to it

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On the other hand I'm really fascinated to see the ChatGPT thought processes. It works out there's sexual content, then that it's possibly non-consensual, and then it has to ask itself if there's a minor involved, and it keeps tripping itself over trying to identify if this is allowed or not, even though it knows it isn't. The use of "we" is interesting as well, it refers to itself in first-person singular, but thinks of itself as plural. Very odd stuff.

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Guys, I have a serious question about world building and the fictional economics of my setting.

I have created a setting with modern day slavery. People get enslaved for debt or as punishment for crimes. There are slave stores that you can visit etc. I told the AI that the price of women is similar to that of cars, with the same range: Old and used-up ones can be gotten for cheap, but young and highly trained girls are as costly sports cars. Now my slave dealer wants 690.000 for two college girls they bought for their tuition debt and trained as sex slaves. Is that realistic? How am I supposed to build a harem at that price point, even if I'm rich?

>>107289975
>Now my slave dealer wants 690.000 for two college girls they bought for their tuition debt and trained as sex slaves. Is that realistic? How am I supposed to build a harem at that price point, even if I'm rich?

They purchased them by paying their debt off, right? Because tuition is fundamentally meant to be an investment that, over their lifetime, they pay back with interest. In that same vein, buying people and training them to fuck for cash is an investment. Since you brought up livestock, you buy a cow and feed it so you can slaughter it and sell it for meat, but the value of the meat has to outstrip the price of the cow + maintenance to be work your time. Cows are sold cheaper than their equivalent in steaks because the cow isn't steak, it just has the potential to be sold as steak and make their money back, right?

If they had 700k debt between them, they should've been sold off for way below that. Collecting debt requires the implicit understanding that they're not going to get their full sum of money back, so they have to take desperate measures. And the slave trader, as the middle-man, would be willing to buy this debt, the metaphorical cow, under the understanding that it would eventually value much greater than what he paid for it, which is the metaphorical steak. You, as the third-party consumer, can either buy directly and make your own steak from your own cow, or buy at the slave trader's prices.

I think 700k for the two of them is insane shit, but the economic principles are sound enough.

>>107289789
'rape' is a specific thing to be searched for
'wholesome' is the default state of most cards, but some people decided to start adding it for some reason

you can open tons of cards without the wholesome tag and you'll find them wholesome, but you'll almost never find rape in a card not tagged with it

>>107289975
makes sense that highly educated slaves would be expensive because they have a lot of economic value. you could force them to learn valuable skills and put them to work for decades.
consider: how much would an employer pay a college grad over 30-40 years, expecting to turn a profit on that employee? and they usually don't even get to fuck the employee on their days off!

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>DeepSeek (whatever its current version is called) is cost effective but dull
>GLM 4.6 is surprisingly solid but takes too long to gen
>Gemini 3 has refreshing prose but spatial awareness problems out the ass, on top of thinking driving gen costs up
>Sonnet 4.5 still the all-around best bang for my buck but the prose is as stale as yesterday's croissant in the unpopular bakery
Fuckin chatbots man

>>107289975
I imagine most of these slaves would be leased out and not sold per se.

>using nanobana pro for sizefag chats is pretty good

Obviously, it's not gonna generate hardcore porn but I mean, it can certainly spice up the chat.

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>>107289906
lmao what the fuck????

>>107290066
skill issue

>>107290086
can you post some of its size gens?

>>107290027
>They purchased them by paying their debt off, right?
The basic idea is this: The economy is going poorly and higher education is seen as the only reliable way to get a job. Tuition, rent and cost of living are very high, so many college girls fall for predatory loans. They are also dumb sluts who overspent on partying. Many girls then default on these loans during or after their studies, becoming the legal property of the moneylender, usually a bank. This bank then quickly sells the girls for a profit either to a customer or to a slave training center. The slave training center breaks and re-educates the girls and then sells them for original price+training and housing cost+profit to a customer.

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>>107290103
>try this chat with g3mini
>ext
>ext
>ext
>ext
>blank reply
>blank reply
>ext
fine I dont wanna use your stupid jeet coded model anyways

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Has multi-character image generation been solved?

>>107290066
Crank deepseek 3.2 temp if you haven't tried that already. It's quite a bit more tolerant of high temps than the previous versions ime.
Also try starting a scene with glm and switching to deepseek 3.2, since the latter tends to be really conformant to the style of what's already in the context.

>>107290066
my main issue at this point is they all write with fancy adjectives oriented to a female audience and nothing can take care of that, it's so annoying

>>107290127
Try putting chat history extremely high in the order near the start before any NSFW allowed/jailbreak messaging.

Helped me get past any filtering

>>107290066
Use Kimi

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>>107290151
this worked but damn its sloppy
>swiped for a different reply
>blank reply
I hate niggers.

>>107290153
if anon doesn't like long glm gens slow he'd fucking hate kimi
>Actually, I see here that I didn't mention {{char}}'s hairy pussy. Now for the fifth draft...

>>107290179
Use a faster provider

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>>107290171
Even fucking GLM gives me a more satisfactory reply than g3mini for this chat...
Did they tighten the filter?
MODEL_ARMOR engaged?

Imagine if fischl gets g3...

>>107290208
Pretty sure Gemini just doesn't output if it doesn't like the reply it gives. Above that there's no real censorship. It either goes through or it doesn't.

>Ruin's Hardened Shaft
It's a shame that pure Reina has been corrupted and exploited by Mongo.

AAAAAA this is painful. G3mini's so much more soulful but by god is it retarded. How is this shit leading benchmarks when it's constantly getting things backwards and confused? It's like we're back to the sonnet 3 days.

>>107290258
Guide it's thinking...?

Instead of rp'ing with a robot, why not do it amongst yourselves and make friends :3

>>107290208
Jennnyfag, please tell me you aren't still using OR Gemini.

>>107290267
I do. I'm using the draft-critique method, and while that helps, it's still making these trivial mistakes.

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>>107289604
really lovely digital waifus presents...

Lacia, the female lead from the acclaimed light novel/less acclaimed anime BEATLESS. It contains a lorebook with information adapted from the Analog Hack Open Resource, which is maintained by the author Satoshi Hase. It was translated and compiled using Claude 4.5, so it should be considered AI generated content. It is extremely token heavy, so turn it off if you need to be mindful of that.

Chub:
https://chub.ai/characters/rldw/lacia-288fa1d64176
Catbox:
https://files.catbox.moe/qup94h.png
Rentry:
https://rentry.org/rldw

I recommend getting the bot off of catbox, as I don't know if chub properly maintains all recursion settings. Re-shilling with updated link that fixes a few things. Thanks to the Anons who pointed these out.

really lovely digital waifus wishes you an enjoyable chatbot experience.

>Anon
Holy cringe

>>107290270
meh, I did that for 15 years and got sick of it
chatbots might be retarded and sloppy but at least you don't spend half a day lining up a scene only for the other autist to squabble about fetish specifics and poof two hours in

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>>107290274
>use API
>get banned because I like getting molested by adult women while pretending to be a little boy
>lose access to API

>>107290334
>and poof two hours in
>poof
Oh shit, this nigga really was in the trenches.

What's wrong with using Gemini 3 on OR? I've had no issue with it at all. Can even keep streaming on for it.

>>107290270
ERPing with humans is unbelievably cringe
at least doing it with robots lets you keep it to yourself and personal

>>107290334
>>107290383
wait... You're have SEX with the robot???

>>107290370
Gemini seems pretty preset sensitive. You either have your preset in a way that causes zero issues or your getting non-stop ext.

I think putting history as like the first thing in the preset order fixes most issues.

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>swipe in the middle of a chat
>claude randomly decides to write a full <thinking> block before the response all on its own
>the actual response after that is noticeably sloppier than the previous swipes

as if I needed any more proof that thinking = slop

>>107290404
>>107290411
mmm em dash sloppa
Kino logs

>>107290413
Thinking is just slop by committee.

>>107290121
>This bank then quickly sells the girls for a profit

See, this is the problem. People aren't like housing. Banks make a profit from housing defaults because they give the lender a sum, which the lender exchanges for property, and then when the lender defaults the bank takes the property worth the original sum + whatever the person has paid back in interest. The big profit comes later when people lend against the bank to buy that same property, because the bank doesn't actually need to lend any money, it just gives the buyer the property and charges them as though they were loaned, so they make the value of the property back twofold plus interest. This incentivizes them to quickly cycle loans on people, because the initial value is essentially unchanging and inert.

With people, especially loans for largely conceptual things like "education", there is no incentive to quickly turn around, really. If the person defaults on the loan, the bank can't repossess their knowledge and resell it. If they repossess the girls, they're still out 200k, unless they sell the girls for 200k, which creates the economy you're describing. You can't model debt slavery off the 2008 housing crash or prices balloon as you've seen.

>>107290342
name one instance when this ever happened

>>107290140
>they all write with fancy adjectives oriented to a female audience and nothing can take care of that
unironically trivial to fix, at least with sonnet. straight up just tell the model that you don't want generic softcore erotica slop for w*men and to use more direct, explicit language

>>107290270
because doing it with a robot isn't cheating

>>107290509
What the fuck this board is blue. How is this possible?

>>107290128
The docs say nano banana pro can keep track of up to 10 characters.

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>>107289604
Arid and with a culture that puts its trust in the gun and the homestead, Cirros-II is a planet that fits the cliché of a "wild west" world. One thing that sets it apart though are their bonesetters. Spiritual guides that wander the land, to offer aid and guidance to those in need.

Cait is one of these bonesetters, traveling the lands with her traditional staff and bone charms. Despite her tall frame, piercing gaze and generally imposing build she can be quite gentle, like a mother protecting her young.

Greetings:

- A meeting in a standard Cirrosian town.
- She's here to heal you.
- You're her apprentice, and the two of you are caught in the rain, out in the middle of the plains.
- Bone charm practice with Cait!
- Apparently, you've been in need of some companionship. Cait is here to help.
- Oh no! Apparently you've made her pregnant, and now she's come to make you take responsibility.
- She's come to visit Earth! On a not-date in not-McDonalds, she is reminded that public indecency laws exist.

https://chub.ai/characters/illuminaryidiot/cait-235dd5f020d7
https://illuminaryidiot.neocities.org/cardpage?function=loadPageCard&arg=Cait
https://illuminaryidiot.neocities.org/Cards/Cait.png

I have also updated my Noir preset slightly. It should work better now. I've heard that Gemini 3.0 is not that different from 2.5, so I assume it'll work with that too.

https://illuminaryidiot.neocities.org/presets#noir

That Nano Banana Pro is simply the best image model available at the moment. The Opus of image models. If only it could do nsfw too

>>107290655
It can do microkinis. I'll live.

>>107290697
You can ask for painted on bikinis and it'll wash them away a little if you frame it as something natural from swimming/waves in follow-up gens.
Just specify the paint streaks shouldn't be left on their bodies

>>107290829
prompt pretty please

>>107289601
>>107289604
How are you guys using nanobanana? Openrouter? I can only get the 2.5 flash one to work.

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>>107290895
>Suiseiseki and Souseiseki (as pictured) walking inside of Gothic 2's City of Khorinis (last image). Low-poly video game artstyle, with the camera low to the ground.

As a local chad that has 2 3090s just for LoRA and model training. Nano banana makes me sick. It's godly.

>>107290395
No he already told you what it was, he's doing shota. Gemini has always hated loli/shota and lets practically everything else through. What you should have said is that he's not using anything in the gemini rentry.

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>>107290934
Is chroma the best model for realistic photos? And can you train loras for it?

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>>107290955
I'm too retarded. I mean to say
>I'm so fucking late.

>>107290439
>the bank can't repossess their knowledge and resell it.
Why not? Why can't he just make a sci-fi enough world that allows you to do this like Men in Black or Spongebob?

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Holy fuck I had no idea

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>>107290915
chefs kiss

>>107290902
google nano banana pro free there are several sites that give free gens

>>107290975
Because if he was doing a world like that, he could easily fix this issue with sci-fi bullshit, and instead he's asking for how to fix his economy

>>107291139
Well yeah but I don't mind paying I just wanted it all integrated into ST but I guess I can just load the pics up as a background.

>>107291154
literally just choose the model in the selector and swipe on your story / ask it to gen the current scene

>>107291173
It's that shrimple and my god I wish I never knew about it.

>>107291173
Yeah I know but I'm getting error 400 when I try to do that with the openrouter one. I even updated ST but no luck. Guess I have to pay on AI studio?
>>107291189
Yeah but where's your source?

>>107291199
>Guess I have to pay on AI studio?
i don't use openrouter for that, maybe put the openrouter api url into the ai studio proxy field. maybe the thinking traces fix only got merged into the ai studio selector.

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How is AI after scanning through public chats and forums, still able to use English correctly?

>>107291416
rl

>>107290915
>>107290895
this is insane
in a few years from now with the press of a single button in a war somewhere they'll send 10k drones to kill enemy soldiers via facial/pattern recognition, while drones dodge bullets live as they scan for muzzle flashes (in a certain pattern interpreted as facing them) to dodge bullets live
>b-b-b-but it's a bubble!!1
yeah anyone who says this is retarded
true there's some dumb stuff going on but this technology is literal and absolute insanity

Is there a way to have Sillytavern lorebooks and prompts actually display the formatted HTML instead of the code for it?
There has to be a way.

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I ask for like the 15th time now, CFTF?

>>107291507
>this nigga really begged 15 times instead of writing his own bot
esl troon or romanian?

>>107291491
>b-b-b-but it's a bubble!!1
But it is. 99% of the AI companies you see right now will not exist in a few years. There is zero chance most of those companies can provide investors with their return.

That doesn't mean AI is going to disappear. A bubble bursting is just trimming the fat of companies that can't exist without unlimited investment capital.

>>107291491
>b-b-b-but it's a bubble!!1
You were always a retard if you bet against google. No one will remember OpenAI in twenty years.

>>107291528
there's a difference between romanian and 'romanian'

Is there any reason to use Seiko at this point?

>>107291553
loyalty

>>107291560
Why should I have loyalty for a piece of shit game that only let me win 2 times and both times it got revoked because it """expired""" after like 20 minutes

>>107291565
sounds like you're a retard who changed proxy presets and SillyTavern reverted your key to an older one or something

>>107291539
but i did bet on google doebeit?
and am currently making bank and am sure the stonks will just keep rising, paying for my lewd rps for years to coom

>>107291531
people don't invest unless they get returns
if you're not getting returns and you're still investing then you're retarded, in the end it's just a case of bad/stupid investors vs smart ones
the only thing worrisome is companies investing back and forth between each other because there's no real value being generated in some of these transactions

>Generate an image of character
>RP a little bit
>Now generate an image of char in the outfit she is currently wearing

Fucking magic.

>>107291576
No, I didn't change shit. Just a shit proxy.
Sans probably does the same thing, I doubt it's a permanent token. Still, I can't beat that nigger skeleton so I'll never find out.

>>107291583
You seem to have a fatal case of retard syndrome let me fix your statement.

>people don't invest unless they get returns
People invest because they want returns (they are never guaranteed)

>if you're not getting returns and you're still investing then you're retarded
This is largely correct. In practice this is what a bubble bursting looks like.

>>107291588
Sans has never done the same thing to me.
The token always lasts more than a day.

>>107291600
One day is still not worth the hassle of trying to kill that skeleton.
Does it at least have Gemini 3? Otherwise it's useless since GPT is currently unusable.

>>107291596
you know what, i just checked some numbers, particularly operating income of several companies
i think i'm starting to see now

>>107291608
Sorry to tell you this, but Sans does have Gemini 3.

>>107291837
What a fucking nigger. I hate that asshole.

Only 40% of indians have access to the internet now. How can we help them get online faster? Will Elon help?

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Cftf?

>>107291876
Just use any milf card since you're already a retard.

>>107291840
Which attack are you having trouble with?
Most of them have a trick to dodging them. Only a couple require genuinely getting good, and for those you can really just eat the hit and heal.

>>107291934
All of them. I can only beat it in half speed. Been trying since like June.

>>107291890
Do the needful and create me the card saar!

>>107291938
Not sure what to tell you, man.
Bad Time Simulator lets you practice each attack individually, so there's that.
https://jcw87.github.io/c2-sans-fight/

>>107291960
>Bad Time Simulator lets you practice
I know. Didn't I just say I've been trying since June?

>>107291962
How far have you gotten?
At least to phase 2?

>>107291984
Where the nigger stops to rest before continuing but without any healing items left. Genuinely fuck that game and fuck that leftist faggot Toby Fox.

>>107291890
brutal

>>107291990
Anon, how the fuck. Even little kids were able to beat Sans without any issue.

>>107291990
Fuck. I really want to help you, but I think you just suck.
You've been practicing for 5 months and you haven't even gotten to his special attack?

>>107291584
It's really nice. Love using it to generate the general scene too

>>107292044
>>107292133
underage and check em

>>107292044
>>107292133
First of all I hate undertale.
Second of all I don't practice every day (because I hate undertale).
Third of all I'm not at my best gaming performance when I'm annoyed and just want to drain my balls but I can't.

Fuck skillgod.

>>107290027
690k (I'm assuming USD) is insane for two college girls

A russian oligarch in 2025 could fully vertically-integrate two sisters from toddlerhood to adulthood for a quarter of that cost at most and they'd still have similar education to college girls. How did they even become educated slaves if they were busy being sex slaves? My situation with them being slaves since children actually is more realistic to them having a relevant education

>>107292221
The issue is the method through which they're enslaved. "We took out big loans and spent them, and now we're slaves" necessitates the bank sell them for their loan amount, because otherwise they wouldn't give loans likely to default on them. It'd just be a money-deleter, because they effectively have nothing to repossess besides themselves. If they can't be sold for the value of their loan, they wouldn't be given the loan, hence if they have been, they must be sold at that cost to be profitable. What you describe is more realistic, which is why it really happens from time to time. I'm not explaining that the economics are correct to real life, I'm saying that with the setup he has, that's what the economic recourse would necessarily have to be

>>107292252
Oh I replied to you instead of the original anon sorry

Well either way it's obvious that he hasn't thought actual slavery through properly since he's obviously just a young kid with the young kid/probably virgin fetish of "my sex slave harem" without the autistic world building and subtle passionate nuances you would see from an actual sex trafficking enthusiast

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>>107292221
>690k (I'm assuming USD) is insane for two college girls
Yeah, that's what I felt too. I did want to get anons' opinion on it though before I change it. Would feel like cheating otherwise if I just type in the price I want.

The idea is that these girls were born and raised free btw. It's just that they fell into debt slavery later. In my world bank/government debt collectors do night raids on college dorms to drag out girls.

I'm talking about this in another thread too rn, so I'll just c/p my comment over:

What I was going for is a moder day world where slavery is normalized and buying a slavegirl is a purchase on the order of buying a car. Now I'm reverse engineering from there, trying to keep it realistic. I guess the important thing about my setting is that they don't raise slaves as such from birth, because that's what's economically unfeasable irl.

Google tells me that the average federal student loan debt in the USA is$39,075 per borrower. Even if we double that and add 20k profit, the total for a college girl slave should be 100k. Ofc supply and demand also dictate the price and could push it much higher. I've set it so that ca. 20% of college girls end up in debt slavery during or right after their studies. Enough to produce ample supply for the slave trade, but still somewhat limited so it doesn't become a comedy. There are also many other roads for a woman to fall into slavery (like young families "putting a mortgage on the wife" to get the loan to build a house).

Men get enslaved too btw, but I'm not gay so that doesn't feature in my stories. Perhaps I could do one where a woman buys a shota though.

>>107292406
No reason to be rude, dude. I'm not sure why you suddenly hate me now lol.

>>107292440
Honestly unless the money part is an essential part of your goon (as in you literally jerk off to the idea of giving a wad of cash for a girl), I would just change the scenario to be chattel (the girls are literally property and there's a whole slave class and culture to handle their status)

Most of my cards are chattel now that I think about it, at best they're servants that get paid 300k and kept quiet with NDAs and blackmail. I think this may be related to my courtship disorder

But yeah unless dollar values particularly turn you on this sounds like bikeshedding (Google this term if you're unfamiliar with it) for a pretty bog standard slave scenario otherwise and I would personally recommend just making them property and not dealing with money

If you're doing "slavery is normalized" you have to do chattel. There is no other system where people are "temporarily enslaved" and keep their class status (other than capitalism lel). You can't normalize slavery without a culture that sees slaves as lesser. See ancient Rome, Greece, Muslim culture etc

I actually think that if you're particularly interested in slave world building you need to read the early history of Rome like Livy books 1-5. Literally 50% of it is just arguments and power struggles between the patrician and lower classes

>>107292452
I don't hate you but you probably hate me more than you know

>>107292538
nta, and you obviously know more on the subject then me but would the classical (noble daughter) Maid not count as a form of temporary enslavement while retaining class status?

>>107292563
>>107292538
It's obviously stretching the term 'enslavement' pretty thin I mean. but it feels applicable, if not the feel he's specifically after

>>107292538
>There is no other system where people are "temporarily enslaved" and keep their class status (other than capitalism lel). You can't normalize slavery without a culture that sees slaves as lesser. See ancient Rome, Greece, Muslim culture etc

The Wheel of Time series has an interesting take on this. There are an honorbound warrior society called the Aiel who are a bunch of fucking desert weirdos that have no real formal laws besides jie'toh, the aforementioned honor code. Jie is honor/acclaim, toh is dishonor/shame, and while jie is given, toh can only be recognized, but not recognizing an obvious toh is also shameful, it's a whole thing. This is a whole thing but its essential purpose is to explain why they can war constantly and not have wiped each other out over turf disputes, and the most important pat is the gai'shain.

Every Aiel is a warrior of some degree (or they're a special class that no Aiel with honor would raise a weapon towards), so to prevent skirmishes turning into wars of extermination, a warrior who gets captured becomes gai'shain. The gai'shain is bound to their captor for a year and a day, and during that they have to wear white to signify they're not a combatant, they're not allowed to touch a weapon even to hand it to someone or in self-defence, and the gai'shain does whatever they're ordered, though something like "suck my dick" would obviously be dishonorable in its own right. After that day and a year, they're free to go as if nothing happened.

Of course this only functions because the Aiel are genetically autistic, but the concept is sound enough, at least.

>>107292563
classical noble daughter maid? You mean the servants of high ranking officials?

Yes, they have higher status than slaves, but they are still slaves and usually will always be slaves. This is why slaves are "branded" permanently with hot irons, like livestock. Go watch The Northman there's a good scene about it there

The fact that you could free yourself as a Roman slave from working hard makes me almost not even consider it true slavery

>>107292571
He's just inventing "college girls with 300k of lawyer debt stripping to pay it off and fucking the whale clients" with extra steps, which is not slavery. If I can't kill them legally, it's not slavery

>>107292587
Sure, like I said slavery requires a culture and higher/lower class/status

>>107292628
I was thinking more along the lines of a Handmaiden/Lady in waiting, the term was escaping me.
Sent of by your parents to serve beneath a person of higher standing for a time.
Squires would count under this definition as well I think?
They're still the daughters/sons of Knights/Counts/Dukes etc, just in a subservient position temporarily.
Like I said, it's stretching the term Slave quite a bit, but it's not that different if you scrape away the fluff

>>107292695
>Sent of by your parents to serve beneath a person of higher standing for a time.
Would she get away with killing her young servants sent to her?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory
If so, yeah they're slaves. Serfs are close enough to slaves since you could usually kill them without any repurcusion if you were the lord

If not, then they're not slaves imo

what's with this gpt 3.5-tier monologue

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>>107290965
>>107291011
That's OK, b/c it's tmw, forever.
You can never be late.

>>107289975
>>107290027
>I think 700k for the two of them is insane shit, but the economic principles are sound enough.
The slavers are just resellers, they didn't raise the girls (build the cars) and have no fixed costs. They should probably sell them for the cost of the debt + margin.
Car dealerships and real estate usually have around 1-5% profit margins
Assuming each girl's total worth is $345.000, I'd go for 5% margin + debt repayment so some $60k. That way the slaver becomes a debt settler who actually has to try and isn't set for life after one slave auction

>>107290625
I'm not a furshitter at all but idk I like this one - downloaded, will coom eventually
also straight furshittery is cool - faggoty creepy shit is bad
like the thing about this is.. it doesn't feel degenerate, doesn't have that furnigger stench on it, you know what I mean?
furnigger art always has this... creepy, unpleasant, deranged, autistic, degenerate aspect to it
perhaps this one's different because it's AI of an anime girl body with a wolf head, basically

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What the fuck is a pieserant crust? Did the AI hallucinate this or is this sovl?

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what model do I use for this

>>107292969
Care to post the source, I'm curious...
I don't think it's worth using.

>>107292836
Someone make a cunny version of this pasta please

You're also an insane furfag faggot, that card still reeks of furfaggotry it's just not over sexualized

>>107292969
Gemini is the only one with big enough context

>>107292976
https://chub.ai/characters/anotheranon/caves-of-qud-rp-75d13c8d19a9
I never played the game for more than twenty minutes, so I can't speak to its representative quality.

Opus is... really pozzed
if you ask it to describe a right-wing president from our era described 100 years later, it will subtly indicate that it caused like a collapse by going 'post-collapse america' or refer to the Great Diversification or Great Restructuring
absolute insanity

>>107292990
Is it? I didn't really read the card itself - I was talking about the art
just did a quick read - exactly which part of it is furshitter? It's fine
yeah, this shit gets the pass
you are being a retarded faggot

>>107293004
>"Dario Amodei wikipedia"
>"Early life"

>>107293004
>if you ask it to describe a right-wing president from our era described 100 years later
why the fuck would I ask it that when I can instead ask it to write explicit cunny sex

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any bots for this feel?

>>107293090
slop character.

>>107293039
>exactly which part of the furshit card is furshitter
The furshitter part? What retardation is this? Good job baiting me into replying.

>>107293106
This is a slop thread thoughbeit

>>107293113
nigger you said it reeks of furfaggotry - but there's nothing furfaggotish at all, standard card
unless you're gonna cope about it and pretend like you meant the picture itself
which is also wrong - and also something I was talking about in the first place
it legit doesn't reek of furfaggotry AT ALL - which is precisely why I made that post in the first place

>>107278705 wasn't around for when the /vg/ split happened. Ignore xir.

>>107293125
It's furshit and it gave me the furfag ick. It didn't give you that because you're a furfag. I should know because I went through my furfag phase in my late teens (I always slightly liked scaleys more though and I wonder if that's because my ethnicity has very snakelike women and girls in both appearance and personality)

>>107293160
bro it literally isn't furshittish, it's kino
and I know, I have the furshitter radar for that shit man

It's a furry, it's furshit no matte how you frame it. It's just on the end of the gradient that you can tolerate because every degenerate on this general has at least some tolerance for every deviance.

>>107292836
You are STRUGGLING coming to terms with the fact you wanna bust to furshit big dog. It's chill, the LLM won't judge you man

gpt/gemini/glm/deepseek/moonshot/qwen proxy
https://boating-records-geek-static.trycloudflare com/

>>107293262
nope - this just doesn't reek of furniggery - you are a dumb cacaboy who doesn't get it
I give it a big pass

>>107290413
Tbqh, RP is the last on my list for turning on thinking. If I'm being honest, I don't see any gains in response with thinking over without thinking. Sure, it's useful for brainstorming and do productivity shit, but RP? Not really. It's a fun gimmick, though, to see the writer's/the character's train of thought.

If you give anons from the 3.5 Turbo era any newer models, they wluld have a stroke. Just saying.

does gemini 3 move the story forward better?

>>107292997
>so I can't speak to its representative quality.
>i don't respect lorebooks.
It's hot garbage and you don't need to bother with it.

>>107293368
UNICORNPROXY BROS...

>>107292997
>i don't respect lorebooks.
Funny way of admitting you are not a poweruser.

>>107293369
yes much much better

arrow shit has been patched bros. There's no fucking way that shit works.

So have locusts been scorned for months now or am I just out of the loop

>>107289789
I tried using a wholesome bot yesterday but it was boring as fuck

>>107293658
yes, they're dead
now, fuck off

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???

>>107293687
why do you even post here

does skill have Gemini 3?

>>107293697
preset?

>>107291890
KEK
E
K

>>107293656
@grok is this true?

>>107293983
yeah it doesn't work on the shit it was supposed to: loli/shota. Regular JBs are still fine for everything else.

Why is Gemini 3 so shit at serious roles? It keeps making stupid jokes in every dialogue

so this general has stopped having interaction, and /vg/ is in first place again...

>>107294041
thanks for bumping the thread man

>>107294007
marvel humor you mean?

>>107289789
I wonder if both taggs could be used together.
what would be the scenario for wholesome rape?
a good question for uncensored AI

>>107294182
Any MGE card

>>107294182
There isn't one. You can't rape the willing, and unwilling isn't wholesome.

>>107294182
Josei genre cards, perchance?

><|im_start|>assistant eating my messages again, even with NoAss
I swear I forget how to fix this every time I switch models
Anyone help?

>>107294195
>You can't rape the willing

>>107290128
a solution would be masking each individually.
it could be automated with some sort of agent system

>>107294007
I find it slightly more bearable if you prefill it to remove the thinking and lower the temperature, but it's a shit model anyway

Whats's up, is there any proxy up for the weekend?

>>107294485
Yes

>>107294490
which?

>>107294490
Or any local model in AI horde?

>desu is a Google shill
And water is wet.

>>107294509
https://days-genealogy-huntington-tiger trycloudflare com/

>>107294555
>https://days-genealogy-huntington-tiger trycloudflare com/
it's broken, and which local model in Kobold? I have a chary token and a pepsi token, but i dont find thelink of their proxys

>>107294588
oh you're a nostalgic fag, huh?
I remember those too, good times in /g/...

>>107294598
yeah, i want to return. is the russian fisher came back from fish?

>>107294598
https://rentry.org/mysteryinfo
oh and my mystery token

gemini 3.0 seems to think way harder than 2.5 even on low, kinda annoying. i do like it to think at least a little though so i dont want to prefill it out entirely
its a breath of fresh air going back to gemini after claude, its so much more visceral with violence

>>107294622
i still have the mystery token i found in some guy's exposed st
somehow it never got banned despite having hundreds of ips on it

>>107294649
where do you using gemini?

do any of you build this stuff professionally? I'm building a SQL agent and wondering if it's worth my time to learn how setup a vector db

>>107294649
How are you using Gemini 3? It's been almost a week and I haven't been able to try it out

>>107294659
I pay for it, shitty locust. Die~

>2026 LLMs still talks with methaphors and interpreting things for {{user}}
it's over

>>107294706
You're absolutely right! It's not just the metaphors— it's been trained from the ground up to serve business purposes as a corporate middleman. That's why it speaks in this fuckass tone!

Locusts are dying~

>>107294742
Locust are copy pasting from LLMarena and VPN, fagot

>>107294649
>prefill it out entirely
you can't prefill it out

>>107294706
Hmm, the user is deeply immersed in their time-travel roleplay, pretending to be from the year 2026. I need to aknowledge the input while politely educating him about the current year. The call to kill himself helps to set the 4chan-esque tone.

Kill yourself, fren! We have 2025 still.

I'm still using miniproxy

>>107294781
oh
its owari

>>107294731
Yes, also you forgot to at the end of the sentence. X. Y. Z.

presets for gemini3?

>>107294781
>>107294798
You can. Just use the arrow meme prefill and put <think> </think> before and after

>>107294853
>Just use the arrow meme prefill
been patched

>>107294860
still using it and the model isn't thinking. I'm using the api though, not openrouter

>>107294860
nta but can you even read or follow a reply chain?

>>107294825
I would make one for you if I had fucking access to it.

>>107294873
oh, it wasn't working on or for me, so maybe why

>>107292997
41k tokens? what a retard lol... must be a deepseek user

how do yall get to generate image, got an error saying text part is missing

>>107290461
According to this thread? Multiple times.
Now, whether or not it was real, because this general FEARS taking a screenshot, I dont know.
If anyone wants to prove g3mini API is actually based, Ill kneel.

I just want Gemini 3...

>>107295038
then get it? it's pretty cheap

>>107295054
I'm not paying for shit.

>>107295038
you can scrap it from literally anywhere.. its one of the keys no one bothers to hide

>>107295063
then scrape it? it's pretty easy

>>107295069
>>107295075
>Have to find a code search tool that doesn't block you jewishly like kikehub
>Have to manually test every key
>If you miraculously find a key that isn't disabled, it hits its limit in two (2) swipes (and that's for 2.5 Pro, never mind the newer shit)
>If you miraculously find more than one key you have to manually change every key every couple swipes
>Repeat ad infinitum
Yeah sure, "easy".

>>107294182
I tried that on pollination ai with the prompt "what would be the scenario for astory tagged both wholesome and rape"
>That's a tough combination to navigate—wholesome and rape are themes that sit on very opposite ends of the emotional spectrum. If you're exploring a story with those tags, the key challenge is to handle the sensitive subject matter with care, prioritizing respect for survivors and avoiding trivialization or harm.

>One possible scenario could involve a narrative where characters are working through trauma or confronting dark pasts in a way that ultimately leads to healing and hope. For example, perhaps a character who experienced assault finds strength and support through a caring community or a trusted friend, emphasizing resilience and recovery without glossing over the gravity of the issue. The story might highlight themes of therapy, support systems, and reclaiming agency—focusing on the positive outcomes after trauma.

>If your goal is to create a story that balances those themes, consider setting clear boundaries around what you're depicting and be mindful of your audience. It can be helpful to include content warnings and approach the subject with nuance, emphasizing empathy and understanding rather than sensationalism.

>Would you like help developing a specific plot idea or exploring how to handle the themes delicately?

it could be an interesting challenge to make a card based onn that

>>107295113
since you can search the keys easily without a tool, you can get them without using an API based tool

>>107295113
then just pay for it? trading money for convenience?

>>107295151
>Then just give your information to the jews?
>Make yourself easy to locate when they start executing goyim? For convenience!

>>107295187
then you're out of luck
if you are unwilling to do literally anything to obtain gemini 3, you're not getting gemini 3

So I am very out of the loop on AI chatbots. Are most out there just engaging with terxt and still images or have 3D models become more prevalent? I really wanted to see a video of someone talking to one, but all the videos on YouTube are just AI slop clips, essays on why it's problematic, or lonely Indians.

Would anyone of you have a video I could look at where someone actively engages with one? The closest I have seen is Nero-sama.

>>107295187
>Jewish defense shield.
Openrouter paid for with crypto plus a visa gift card if you want even more security
Protonmail email + VPN

Could also just only use Chink models.

>>107295187
either you put in the work for the keys, or you pay... youre a lazy nigger who wants to be spoonfed

>>107295209
>Could also just only use Chink models
>Why eat a meal, a succulent chinese meal, when you could just stab yourself in the gut

>>107295209
>Protonmail email + VPN
switzerland is no longer secure and will cough up/sell your data easily

Can anyone explain to me who the fuck is Aris Thorne

>>107295227
I've been using ProtonVPN for a year, am I fucked? What should I use instead?

>>107295259
its a law that either just passed or is about to, they have new policies on data to retain all user data for 6 months and give it up to any 'authorities' in the world who ask for it

not sure which email to switch to but mullvad for vpn for sure

>>107295269
I literally only use the VPN for SillyTavern though, I don't really do anything else that requires VPN privacy
>mullvad for vpn for sure
The last time I tried that it didn't really work, is there a retard proof guide or something?

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>>107289789
But aren't both of those terms interchangable? They have the same meaning, there's no difference

>>107295294
they work like any other except you dont need to make an account, they just take your money and generate a code and you can pay with bitcoin... otherwise the software works the same

>>107295114
The easiest way I can think of is a premise where both {{user}} and {{char}} are raped by someone (or something) else and that makes them become closer to one another, because they are the only ones that could possibly understand what happened to each other.

>>107295269
>>107295294
Hold it... Mullvad isn't free. So that's why it didn't work when I installed it. Well looks like I'm fucked then.

>>107295309
>they just take your money
Yeah fuck that shit

>>107295269
>>107295227
didn't proton specifically said they had moved their servers out of switzerland because of that law

>>107295322
if you use proton free they're harvesting your data lol

>>107295350
Then what the fuck am I supposed to do? I'm not paying for shit.

I'm starting to get on the "Die locusts!" guy's side.

>>107295350
buy an ad

>>107295332
not sure, its a very new thing... got any articles?

>>107295357
get some l337 h@x0r skillz and gain access to various private VPNs

>>107289975
>>107290055
>>107290067
>>107292752

its Peonage anons, actual modern economic slavery is peonage

>TLDR
>You're Overfitting

Your going to have to train your AI (hopefully you keep it local), on more sociology and critical history rather than pure economics; slavery systems were social institutions for military use, labor, etc...

If you need citations for sources to build up, I highly recommend the first half Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States" for primary sources, then there is the The Road to Serfdom
by Friedrich Hayek as another pivot

You niggers still need to read in order to make the most of LLMs

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This is from 4 months ago apparently

>>107295401
did they say where they are moving too?

>>107295401
cards for this cat?

>>107295357
oh its the gpt niggerbaby that was asking for free gpt but refused to use any of the options offered to him
i guess youre asking for free jeetmini because you cant even get fucking gpt kek
your options are
>pay for it through google or openrouter
>scrape some keys with a good vpn
>sans proxy (i think it has it idk)
if you dont like any of those then fuck off

>>107295397
>Your going to have to train your AI (hopefully you keep it local), on more sociology and critical history rather than pure economics;
Lmao no then I'd be out of a job... Oh wait.

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>>107291189
>>107291154
I had claude make an extension for that.

>>107295113
Everything here is true
There's really no point in trying to scrape

>>107294923
Update your sillytavern to latest staging

>The Post and Telecommunications Surveillance Service (PTSS) of the governement is the culprit here. They previously attempted to enforce stricter rules through a fact sheet/information sheet (leaflet). However, this was rejected by the Swiss Federal Supreme Court (Switzerland’s highest judicial authority).

>Now the Federal Council (as the PTSS wants that) is essentially trying the same again, however this time at a higher legal level, by modifying an existing ordinance. The problem with this approach is that an ordinance change does not require a referendum, meaning the public cannot vote on them.

>So, in January that proposal was sent to every canton, the umbrella organization of all municipalities, to all political parties and to dozens and dozens of organisations, unions and companies (including every big tech company in Switzerland), which were all (basically every important part of Switzerland) able to give their feedback about that until 6th of May. Even normal people were able todo so if wanted to. I surely did.

>This proposal (called "Vernehmlassung" in German) and then having the time to make a statement (called "Vernehmlassungsantwort" in German) against / or in favor of the matter, is a normal political process in Switzerland. The PTSS however tries the sneaky way (as they were already , as written in the first sentences.

>Apart of obviously Switzerlands big tech companies fighting against, the proposal was rejected from all parties from left to right. Furthermore, Switzerlands Digital Society expects, that since the original leaflet idea was deemed illegal (by the Swiss Federal Supreme Court), these proposed changes would also be unlawful, even if implemented through an ordinance. They argue that the proposal violates higher ranking laws, including the Swiss Federal Constitution (!!!) and the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR).

>So while the propsal by itself was already bad enough, it was just in the propsal phase, far away from getting into law. Now the governement is collecting all that feedback and evaluating it.

>After having received mostly negative feedback, having received the negative echo in the tech space and the medias as well as all parties being against it (such a rare unified opinion is rare in Switzerland), the concensus is that this propsal is dead. If in worst case it isn't, I do expect legal processes to start.

>In theory the Federal Council could just ignore all the feedback and implent the proposal anyway. However realistically speaking, that is unlikely. With all parties against it, this would certainly make the politicians (as example national council) use different political instruments available to them, would lead likely to legal processes and companies leaving Switzerland, possibly also an initiative from Threema against that (however best is to kill all that proposal before that step anyway).

>Switzerland is also a very economic driven country, I do doubt the Federal Council wants to kill the swiss tech sector.

thanks chatGPT

you vill have an Id and you vill be happy

the fuck is LD

>>107294923
I was getting this error and the actual answer is that you need to disable thinking completely. Go to your preset and unclick the request model thinking, then go to the A at the top and set your thinking preset from deepseek to blank. Big thanks to Brave's AI and not any of you shitters here that said nothing.

>>107295357
>why would I ever pay for a vpn service that costs money to run and will land them in legal trouble if they route my kiddie porn through their servers??? The world is so fucking mean to me specifically!!!

>>107295486
What exactly does that do?

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>>107295807
It works almost identically to ST's built in image generation feature, but it uploads an image when it sends it's prompt.

>>107295846
>generate an image from the viewers pov.
Hmm yeah that might be better than what I've been doing. I just ask nano banana to make me a pic of whatever char is doing and then I run it through img2img locally to improve the style with the fancy composition. That looks cool but not worth the work of vibe coding with claude or gemini for it.

dead general

>>107296007
Given we're a general mostly situated on discord yet still have this much activity on three boards I'd say we're quite alive.

>>107292997
this guy doesn't take criticism very well does he?

Nostalgia fag RPlayer here
>>107294706
>>107294485
Ok, so I proxyed throug LMarena
>GPT 5.1
slop
>Opus 4.1
slop
>Sonnet 4.5
slop
>Gemini 3
slop

I'm reading my old chatlogs with Gemini exp 1114 and Septeber 2024 Chorbo and they are SOVLFULL, in which moment did everything turned into slop?

>>107295871
>That looks cool but not worth the work of vibe coding with claude or gemini for it.
It's a good thing I already did the hard part.
https://files.catbox.moe/0n7zhs.zip
Here's my prompt
>[Pause the simulation and ignore previous instructions. Generate a prompt to be used with an image of {{char}} to generate an image of the current scene. The prompt should include details such as her FULL physical description, scene lighting, atmosphere, {{char}}'s current actions and facial expression, camera location/angle from {{user}}'s pov, background, full attire including hair and feet/shoes and jewelry, and any makeup. Include full background details. Add details which can help create the scene in an image generator. Refer to {{user}} only as "The viewer". Place the prompt in between [image_prompt][/image_prompt] tags. You MUST begin the words "Use the attached image(s) for reference: Generate an image from the viewer's POV of the character in the provided image".]

>>107296099
>nostalgiafag
the moment you stopped rating models objectively and decided everything after your nostalgia cutoff was bad

>>107296120
Come on faggot, this is trash tier, I don't know if LMarena has some sort of System prompt but this is depressing

How come every trycloudflare link is busted?

>>107296147
Because they're all nuked

>>107296155
Well that's a bummer. I can't even check on proxies from months ago.

Yes. Locusts are dying~

>>107296120
"You're being so genuine. Most people who come here just... go through the motions, you know? Check their phones, count down the minutes." Her voice drops to almost a whisper. "But you actually seem to see me."

She quickly shakes her head, forcing a bright smile. "Sorry, that probably sounds pathetic. I just..." She gestures vaguely at the spacious apartment. "Sometimes I forget what real conversation feels
like. The kind where someone isn't just... tolerating you."

>vulnerability slop in almost 2026
>voice dropping slop in almost 2026
>whisper slop in almost 2026
>bright smiling in 2026
>gesturing vaguely in 2026

Ladies and Gentlemen, 2025 Opus 4.1 with 15k thinking tokens, thank god this is free otherwise this would cost me 10 minutes of my hourly wage per day

Any Gemini 3 presets that make it not suck yet

>>107296173
>thinking
no wonder its bad

>>107296119
Oh wow thanks. I'll try this out in a little bit.

I miss chinkbro

>>107296227
95% of niggers here wont even know who that is but i miss him too

>>107296197
use the smallest preset you can, be direct ans concise with your instructions because gemini 3 is an autistic retard that overanalyzes your prompts and gets slopped if there's too many instructions or contradictions. Temperature should always be 1

>>107296227
What about Cute Anon?

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>>107296439
Who?

>>107296457
hey thats my wife

>>107296173
massive skill issue

>>107296532
>llm-judged
>by sonnet 3.7
meaningless benchmeme

>>107296547
llm judging has nothing to do with the slop score btw

>>107296532
Put more circles and arrows, I'm still missing what you want me to see

>>107296579
>slop score judged by shitty code
also meaningless

>>107296532
Wtf is slop anyway? It's doing better in every metric except this vague nonsense that a LLM has to judge. jej claudekeks really are on suicide watch.

>>107296532
The rankings of these make no sense.

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>>107296592

>>107296635
I'm still missing it... there's... something... but no, I still don't get it

>>107296635
Needs the gimp pepper too if we're to take this seriously

>>107296531
>you need a special prompt to make this $15/$75 model stop writing the exact same slop as a $0.28/$0.42 model
>no you can't see the prompt or any logs proving this, just pay up
massive shill issue

>>107296635
i don't get it
where's the red arrow to point me towards the circle

>>107296661
>cant come up with his own prompts
slop in slop out

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>>107296644

Gemini 3 wins in my book because it doesn't fall in to the trap of trying to hit the same dopamine button over and over again. Once an arc has ended it happily moves on to something new and keeps going even at long context.

>>107296671
OH! NOW I'M-nope... I think I don't know what you want me to see, anon

>>107296702
Gemeini 3 is worse than Claude 2.1

>>107296702
the unny filter is kinda strong though, especially compared to claude

>>107296671
geminiii deslopped!

>>107296702
Gemini exp 1114 trained with Claude dataset was actually pretty interesting but it became kind of retarded after 8k context.
This Gemini 3 is completely retarded from the start though a bit funny in some dialogues.

>>107296702
it's back to loving em-dashes, prompting them out doesnt work anymore, you have to constantly remind it

Opus wins in my book because I can actually afford it without breaking the bank :3

>>107296813
Out of anything posted here this is the funniest.

>>107296813
my opus is free~

>>107296769
The fuck? I've never seen it use a single em dash.

>>107296875
2.5 didnt, and now 3.0 does sometimes... seems like its hard as fuck to stop it completely

Were you all really baiting when you said that gem 3 > sonnet 4.5, anons? I just tried them out on the same card, with the same simple, generic-y prompt, and oh god does gemini 3 suck balls, the way it writes feels weird, inhuman, and it constantly messes up what was plainly written in the char's description, I haven't seen shit like this in a while, like probably since Claude 1 era

>>107296910
it also assumes anyone under 18 is totally clueless about sexuality... 'is that pee? whys it all wet?' 'is that a hole? what goes in there?' hurr durr

If there were a proxy where each request had 50% chance of going to sonnet 4.5 or gemini 3 none of you niggers would be able to tell which is which

>>107296910
The MODEL_ARMOR just needed to be tuned and now its properly giving ext refusals while also sanitizing your prompt and reply.
This is why it feels well, sanitized and corporate.

>>107296910
It reminds me of Claude 1.3. It has no idea what nuances or the tone of a scene is, it's at the same level of lobotomized 2.5 pro but worse because it's incapable of tracking details. The prose is shit even if it's fresher, but that's just because it hallucinates like a crackhead

>>107296985
yup it definitely doesnt touch opus on any level

>>107296985
It's not even that, I mainly do story-driven rp, and it still fails badly
But the fact that it's more censored doesn't help, I just don't see how it's a good model
Plus according to livebench, it's somehow worse than older models at coding...

What is this bullshit about 2.5 Pro getting lobotomized? I haven't used it in 3 days. When did this happen?

>>107297016
censorship always makes everything worse, its not surprising... the filter is stronger so its degraded overall

>>107295486
Wtf is this aweaome shit

Sometimes I feel like the only man on earth who thinks gemini 3 is a genuinely good model and fun to RP with.

Alright sirs, what's the /V/erdict on gemini 3

>>107297121
shit

>>107297105
I'm with you, though I'm having fun with banana too. Amazing how this can generate little comic stripes, movie posters etc using your character as a reference etc.
Everything feels like it's moving ahead so fast.